I was wrong - Mea Culpa

But I'm always willing to wait and see. And I want anybody in Giants blue to succeed.

The pre-season showed me a lot. Today showed me more. I don't think we know for sure how DJ will turn out � now there'll start to be tape on him, y'know � but he sure looks like the real deal. He may be the anti-Eli in one respect: Eli came in with super-high expectations and never did end up as the kind of week-in, week-out elite QB we hoped for. Jones came in with low expectations and looks to be exceeding them by a mile.

I am really enjoying the draft "analyst" industrial complex having been so wrong

I thought he was the 2nd best QB of the draft ahead of Haskins, but I felt like we definitely over-drafted him at #6. I wasn�t as much of a douche as some in the media but I definitely acted like the Giants made some type of major error that could hold back the franchise for a decade.

I started coming around to it even before the pre-season, but after the pre-season performance I was already sold that he was worth the pick.

After this? Now I�m wondering what I was thinking when I though Kyler Murray was a far better prospect than him.

I guess the big thing is I didn�t think either his throwing accuracy or power was nearly this good. He�s proven that he is very accurate with really nice touch. But the arm strength has really been a shock.

The across the field throw to Slayton 50 yards down the field after avoiding pressure? Holy shit that was a play, one only a guy with a big time arm can make.

It�s still early to say if he�ll be a star but he looks good.

ive enjoyed it. maybe thats a life lesson

on the NFL Network.

And that's a very good thing

In comment 14594173 GiantEgo said:

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I am really enjoying the draft "analyst" industrial complex having been so wrong

Yes the talking heads (like Mike the Mouth) but the real scouts like Walther football were right on the mark with Jones

The true scouts knew what we knew. He would not have made it through the 1st round, probably not the top ten

In comment 14594178 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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I thought he was the 2nd best QB of the draft ahead of Haskins, but I felt like we definitely over-drafted him at #6. I wasn�t as much of a douche as some in the media but I definitely acted like the Giants made some type of major error that could hold back the franchise for a decade. I started coming around to it even before the pre-season, but after the pre-season performance I was already sold that he was worth the pick. So who would you pick now. Haskins or Jones After this? Now I�m wondering what I was thinking when I though Kyler Murray was a far better prospect than him. I guess the big thing is I didn�t think either his throwing accuracy or power was nearly this good. He�s proven that he is very accurate with really nice touch. But the arm strength has really been a shock. The across the field throw to Slayton 50 yards down the field after avoiding pressure? Holy shit that was a play, one only a guy with a big time arm can make. It�s still early to say if he�ll be a star but he looks good.

1) We DO know that his arm strength is better than many scouts reported;

2) We do know that his accuracy is pretty damned good;

3) It seems pretty clear that his field vision is way better than some critics suggested;

4) We do know that his ability to pull down the ball and run is going to force opponents to changes their game plans;

5) We do know that the OL was getting beat by TB--Barkley couldn't get yardage, and Solder was getting beat like a drum;

6) We do know that he did all of this today with one experienced above-average wr, one quality receiving TE, and no runners to throw to after SB got injured; and

7) We know to a near certainty that he has nerves of steel, which is difficult to scout. As the TV commentators suggested, his pulse doesn't seem to increase AT ALL.

I'll take it.

Though once a few days went on I was ok w waiting. Seeing how Eli would do. Bottom line is this team needed a more athletic QB. None of us didn�t know that but as we see weekly I wanted Allen and to fix the D.

Hopefully w this the D Gets some pride and Betcher shows us all he�s part of the solution

In comment 14594144 81_Great_Dane said:

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But I'm always willing to wait and see. And I want anybody in Giants blue to succeed. The pre-season showed me a lot. Today showed me more. I don't think we know for sure how DJ will turn out � now there'll start to be tape on him, y'know � but he sure looks like the real deal. He may be the anti-Eli in one respect: Eli came in with super-high expectations and never did end up as the kind of week-in, week-out elite QB we hoped for. Jones came in with low expectations and looks to be exceeding them by a mile.

There is no amount of tape study that will help defend some of those plays he made today

You were great and we have been waiting for a guy like you since 2016.

Thanks.

In comment 14594210 manh george said:

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1) We DO know that his arm strength is better than many scouts reported; 2) We do know that his accuracy is pretty damned good; 3) It seems pretty clear that his field vision is way better than some critics suggested; 4) We do know that his ability to pull down the ball and run is going to force opponents to changes their game plans; 5) We do know that the OL was getting beat by TB--Barkley couldn't get yardage, and Solder was getting beat like a drum; 6) We do know that he did all of this today with one experienced above-average wr, one quality receiving TE, and no runners to throw to after SB got injured; and 7) We know to a near certainty that he has nerves of steel, which is difficult to scout. As the TV commentators suggested, his pulse doesn't seem to increase AT ALL. I'll take it.

I'll take it, too!

Admitting they were wrong. I might be a tough go for CC to admit since, iirc, Daniel is still white. But maybe some of the others. Hoping the smug Golic and Wingo will eat it tomorrow morning.

In comment 14594243 Bill L said:

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Admitting they were wrong. I might be a tough go for CC to admit since, iirc, Daniel is still white. But maybe some of the others. Hoping the smug Golic and Wingo will eat it tomorrow morning.

and you?

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In comment 14594254 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14594243 Bill L said: Quote: Admitting they were wrong. I might be a tough go for CC to admit since, iirc, Daniel is still white. But maybe some of the others. Hoping the smug Golic and Wingo will eat it tomorrow morning. and you?

Right lol

This place can be insufferable. I believed in the kid from the get-go because Shurmur, Kirwan, Gil Brandt and other analysts I HIGHLY RESPECT love the kid, but is this how it�s going to be from game to game? � I was right, I was wrong,� it�s only one game..Sheesh.

In comment 14594254 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14594243 Bill L said: Quote: Admitting they were wrong. I might be a tough go for CC to admit since, iirc, Daniel is still white. But maybe some of the others. Hoping the smug Golic and Wingo will eat it tomorrow morning. and you?

I�ve never disparaged Jones. And after the first few seconds of disappointment that we�d dint pick Josh Allen, I�ve been positive on Jones. What you reference is that I support Eli in the face of yours and others unrelenting antipathy. I thought he still gave us the best chance to win the most games. I still do, but less so. I�m plenty happy Jones did well. I would wage I cheered equally as hard as anyone else did today.

In comment 14594256 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14594254 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 14594243 Bill L said: Quote: Admitting they were wrong. I might be a tough go for CC to admit since, iirc, Daniel is still white. But maybe some of the others. Hoping the smug Golic and Wingo will eat it tomorrow morning. and you? Right lol

ESAD. Googs� Grima.

I stated that BB56 can NEVER be insufferable. What a mistake.

Hi BB56.

In comment 14594299 manh george said:

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I stated that BB56 can NEVER be insufferable. What a mistake. Hi BB56.

Murderer! Hey George..:)

I thought it was a terrible pick, mostly because I thought they made the pick primarily because he looked like an Eli clone.

But damn it feels good to be so wrong!!!!

That the Giants gave up on the season by starting Jones.

the Giants. Dave Gettleman proved his detractors wrong.

I wanted Ed Oliver, maybe the Allen olb edge or trade down for the all D draft.

That said, I don't follow prospects any more. That said kudos to mara and the getts. Big time .

But let's do that mainly D draft next spring though

I wanted Ed Oliver, maybe the Allen olb edge or trade down for the all D draft.

That said, I don't follow prospects any more. That said kudos to mara and the getts. Big time .

But let's do that mainly D draft next spring though

was not that we picked Jones but from those who said we should have waited to take him with our next pick.

Personally, I had no idea and did not like or dislike the pick because I did not know much about him.

My point at that time was IF the Giants truly believed that Jones was going to be the franchise QB for the next 10-15 years... then you take him at #6 and don't take the chance he will be gone the next time you pick.

It now is entirely possible that other teams also saw what the Giants did in Jones and maybe he would not have still been there later.

In comment 14594292 Bill L said:

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I thought he still gave us the best chance to win the most games. I still do, but less so. I�m plenty happy Jones did well. I would wage I cheered equally as hard as anyone else did today.

This screams I can�t admit I was wrong. Just come with the same energy you have for yourself that you do others

add me to the list
I thought it was insane terrible pick

mea culpa

In comment 14594379 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14594292 Bill L said: Quote: I thought he still gave us the best chance to win the most games. I still do, but less so. I�m plenty happy Jones did well. I would wage I cheered equally as hard as anyone else did today. This screams I can�t admit I was wrong. Just come with the same energy you have for yourself that you do others

What specifically was I wrong about? Did I ever say anything bad about Jones? Did I ever say it was a terrible pick? Did I ever say I wasn�t going to root for him? Nope. I said that Eli was the better QB in preseason according to all accounts and that if you�re truly playing to win this season, then Eli should be the qB. I do not know if they are tanking or not, I still think that was the genesis of this, buit I was wrong about the outcome because, he did win it for them. And, I think it looks like he will win several more, probably as many, if no t more, than Eli would have won.

So, if that�s the mea culpa you want, then there you go. Now you can go to the Sam darnold thread and admit you were wrong to fellate him.

In comment 14594382 giantfan2000 said:

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add me to the list I thought it was insane terrible pick mea culpa

So did I. Flipped out for 20 minutes there. And I feel like an idiot for feeling like that. Why? Because I based my judgement on all the draft publications by the "experts" who didnt have a lot of positive things to say. When I went to dig up some of his college games on my own , especially the game vs Notre Dame as a true freshman at South Bend, I felt a little better.Now I feel a LOT better!

for whatever it's worth, I forgive you

about the draft or make predictions one way or the other. I just wait, watch, and see what happens. Nobody has a crystal ball.

In comment 14594144 81_Great_Dane said:

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But I'm always willing to wait and see. And I want anybody in Giants blue to succeed. The pre-season showed me a lot. Today showed me more. I don't think we know for sure how DJ will turn out � now there'll start to be tape on him, y'know � but he sure looks like the real deal. He may be the anti-Eli in one respect: Eli came in with super-high expectations and never did end up as the kind of week-in, week-out elite QB we hoped for. Jones came in with low expectations and looks to be exceeding them by a mile.

+1(0000000000000000000000000000000)

is it still too soon to comment on this QB prospect who will be available in "the 3rd or 4th round" ?

he should be judged fairly, good or bad. No mea culpa or �I was right about Jones� is yet warranted.

Lots to like of course. But his pocket awareness absolutely needs to improve as does (obviously) ball security, The former should naturally improve but it was noticeably inferior to Eli�s.

What is highly, highly encouraging is his accuracy as well as his being unphazed by such a high profile role. Starting QB for the NYG, taking over for a 2 time SB MVP who is watching from the sidelines, for a team with middling tackle play, injuries at key positions, etc etc.

We all hope for the best, obviously. I so badly just want to see him lead the NYG to finally beating the Eagles again. That as much as anything will put the Giants on the right path.

In comment 14594528 Overseer said:

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he should be judged fairly, good or bad. No mea culpa or �I was right about Jones� is yet warranted. Lots to like of course. But his pocket awareness absolutely needs to improve as does (obviously) ball security, The former should naturally improve but it was noticeably inferior to Eli�s. What is highly, highly encouraging is his accuracy as well as his being unphazed by such a high profile role. Starting QB for the NYG, taking over for a 2 time SB MVP who is watching from the sidelines, for a team with middling tackle play, injuries at key positions, etc etc. We all hope for the best, obviously. I so badly just want to see him lead the NYG to finally beating the Eagles again. That as much as anything will put the Giants on the right path.

👍

Also loved how he seems to have chemistry with SS who has the most unrealized potential on the NYG outside of Jones himself.

In comment 14594512 Mcphedge said:

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is it still too soon to comment on this QB prospect who will be available in "the 3rd or 4th round" ?

If DJ keeps playing like this, bw will vanish from the board. Again.

Come on, you've all been watching football long enough, you know none of that was lucky. He made big plays every single time we needed one. He did. Just admit what we all saw.

His 1st start.

In comment 14594409 Bill L said:

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In comment 14594379 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14594292 Bill L said: Quote: I thought he still gave us the best chance to win the most games. I still do, but less so. I�m plenty happy Jones did well. I would wage I cheered equally as hard as anyone else did today. This screams I can�t admit I was wrong. Just come with the same energy you have for yourself that you do others What specifically was I wrong about? Did I ever say anything bad about Jones? Did I ever say it was a terrible pick? Did I ever say I wasn�t going to root for him? Nope. I said that Eli was the better QB in preseason according to all accounts and that if you�re truly playing to win this season, then Eli should be the qB. I do not know if they are tanking or not, I still think that was the genesis of this, buit I was wrong about the outcome because, he did win it for them. And, I think it looks like he will win several more, probably as many, if no t more, than Eli would have won. So, if that�s the mea culpa you want, then there you go. Now you can go to the Sam darnold thread and admit you were wrong to fellate him.

You�re too far over edge with Eli that you don�t think clearly. Even with words above you sound like you would start him next week...

In comment 14594283 Big Blue '56 said:

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This place can be insufferable. I believed in the kid from the get-go because Shurmur, Kirwan, Gil Brandt and other analysts I HIGHLY RESPECT love the kid, but is this how it�s going to be from game to game? � I was right, I was wrong,� it�s only one game..Sheesh.

Ummm you get on people that were wrong all the time. But, it shouldn't be. Everyone is wrong and right.. so move on..but its the nature of this forum

In comment 14594888 micky said:

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In comment 14594283 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: This place can be insufferable. I believed in the kid from the get-go because Shurmur, Kirwan, Gil Brandt and other analysts I HIGHLY RESPECT love the kid, but is this how it�s going to be from game to game? � I was right, I was wrong,� it�s only one game..Sheesh. Ummm you get on people that were wrong all the time. But, it shouldn't be. Everyone is wrong and right.. so move on..but its the nature of this forum

This is how a lot of the next several weeks will go:

People who wanted a QB change: I was right

People who thought Eli still had it: Well you hated the pick when they drafted him so you�re opinion is irrelevant

In comment 14594882 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14594409 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 14594379 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14594292 Bill L said: Quote: I thought he still gave us the best chance to win the most games. I still do, but less so. I�m plenty happy Jones did well. I would wage I cheered equally as hard as anyone else did today. This screams I can�t admit I was wrong. Just come with the same energy you have for yourself that you do others What specifically was I wrong about? Did I ever say anything bad about Jones? Did I ever say it was a terrible pick? Did I ever say I wasn�t going to root for him? Nope. I said that Eli was the better QB in preseason according to all accounts and that if you�re truly playing to win this season, then Eli should be the qB. I do not know if they are tanking or not, I still think that was the genesis of this, buit I was wrong about the outcome because, he did win it for them. And, I think it looks like he will win several more, probably as many, if no t more, than Eli would have won. So, if that�s the mea culpa you want, then there you go. Now you can go to the Sam darnold thread and admit you were wrong to fellate him. You�re too far over edge with Eli that you don�t think clearly. Even with words above you sound like you would start him next week...

I am not, although I am sure you like pigeon-holing people as such. And I would not. Once the decision is made, it has to be irrevocable. To backtrack would be the very worst thing for everyone concerned.

In comment 14594915 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14594888 micky said: Quote: In comment 14594283 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: This place can be insufferable. I believed in the kid from the get-go because Shurmur, Kirwan, Gil Brandt and other analysts I HIGHLY RESPECT love the kid, but is this how it�s going to be from game to game? � I was right, I was wrong,� it�s only one game..Sheesh. Ummm you get on people that were wrong all the time. But, it shouldn't be. Everyone is wrong and right.. so move on..but its the nature of this forum This is how a lot of the next several weeks will go: People who wanted a QB change: I was right People who thought Eli still had it: Well you hated the pick when they drafted him so you�re opinion is irrelevant

Sounds about right

In comment 14595016 Bill L said:

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In comment 14594882 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 14594409 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 14594379 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14594292 Bill L said: Quote: I thought he still gave us the best chance to win the most games. I still do, but less so. I�m plenty happy Jones did well. I would wage I cheered equally as hard as anyone else did today. This screams I can�t admit I was wrong. Just come with the same energy you have for yourself that you do others What specifically was I wrong about? Did I ever say anything bad about Jones? Did I ever say it was a terrible pick? Did I ever say I wasn�t going to root for him? Nope. I said that Eli was the better QB in preseason according to all accounts and that if you�re truly playing to win this season, then Eli should be the qB. I do not know if they are tanking or not, I still think that was the genesis of this, buit I was wrong about the outcome because, he did win it for them. And, I think it looks like he will win several more, probably as many, if no t more, than Eli would have won. So, if that�s the mea culpa you want, then there you go. Now you can go to the Sam darnold thread and admit you were wrong to fellate him. You�re too far over edge with Eli that you don�t think clearly. Even with words above you sound like you would start him next week... I am not, although I am sure you like pigeon-holing people as such. And I would not. Once the decision is made, it has to be irrevocable. To backtrack would be the very worst thing for everyone concerned.

Only with pigeons...