Daniel Jones/ Elway and the Broncos

the evidence points towards that being the case. The trade down and passing of Drew Lock three times.

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DG said that there were at least 2 teams that wanted to draft DJ. This thread and a previous one say it was Washington and Denver. Both picks were before 17. It is very conceivable.

Drew Lock was his top rated QB XD

if Elway wanted Jones, he should have traded up. All of these reports that all these teams "wanted Jones" but wanted to wait on him, that doesn't really add up to me.

In comment 14601096 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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Drew Lock was his top rated QB XD

And passed on him three times

now that his value may be at an all-time high...

that was very telling....

In comment 14601097 ryanmkeane said:

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if Elway wanted Jones, he should have traded up. All of these reports that all these teams "wanted Jones" but wanted to wait on him, that doesn't really add up to me.

They likely believed that given the choice between Sweaty Haskins and Jones, DG was going to pick what all the "experts" thought who the Giants should pick. They believed they were going to outsmart everybody else with the assumption that DJ was projected to go much later that DJ would be available to them without having to trade up. The moment that DJ was selected, Elway couldn't bail out of his pick fast enough.

In comment 14601100 Jimmy Googs said:

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now that his value may be at an all-time high...

You kid, but I bet people here would actually entertain that thought.

In comment 14601097 ryanmkeane said:

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if Elway wanted Jones, he should have traded up. All of these reports that all these teams "wanted Jones" but wanted to wait on him, that doesn't really add up to me.

To the media and fans, drafting DJ at 6 was bad enough. Can you imagine the uproar if he traded up for him? 😂😂

In comment 14601108 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14601100 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: now that his value may be at an all-time high... You kid, but I bet people here would actually entertain that thought.

How about packaging DJ and SB to the Jets for Darnold?

At least their HC
No way he wanted the slow footed Haskins

In comment 14601097 ryanmkeane said:

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if Elway wanted Jones, he should have traded up. All of these reports that all these teams "wanted Jones" but wanted to wait on him, that doesn't really add up to me.

Maybe he tried but the price was too high for him, and he wanted to take his chances at #10.

In any event there is no doubt in my mind he wanted Jones since he traded with the Steelers immediately after the Jones pick.

if he likes alfalfa more than timothy hay?

In comment 14601097 ryanmkeane said:

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if Elway wanted Jones, he should have traded up. All of these reports that all these teams "wanted Jones" but wanted to wait on him, that doesn't really add up to me.

You guys acting like trading up is a matter of pressing a button. You need a willing trade partner.

Also, Everybody seemed to be floored that we took Jones at 6 yet somehow Elway was supposed to foresee this? I think Elway was pretty sure Jones would be there and he was as surprised as anybody when he came off the board.

In comment 14601108 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14601100 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: now that his value may be at an all-time high... You kid, but I bet people here would actually entertain that thought.

Yes i kid. And no, there wouldn't be anybody here to entertain that other than pulling your chain...

In comment 14601112 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14601108 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14601100 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: now that his value may be at an all-time high... You kid, but I bet people here would actually entertain that thought. How about packaging DJ and SB to the Jets for Darnold?

Do you mean after the mono clears up?

Scheffter, the most dialed in reporter in the NFL with Denver football, is suddenly out of touch, then I see no reason to think the OP's story is remotely real.

So I'm going with Scheffter on this...

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In comment 14601152 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14601112 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 14601108 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14601100 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: now that his value may be at an all-time high... You kid, but I bet people here would actually entertain that thought. How about packaging DJ and SB to the Jets for Darnold? Do you mean after the mono clears up?

Always hard to know with mono, but is there a projection as to his possible return?

or possibly trade up to avoid being poached. Give DG, PS and the rest of the team for keeping our interest a secret. The other teams probably thought they would be able to "steal" Jones somewhere between 6 and 17, hence, they sat tight.

Should we shelve this trade offer until then?

from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw John Elway at 31 Flavors the night before the draft and she mentioned Elway said the word "Jones" into his cell phone.

I think that puts it to bed...

In comment 14601180 CT Charlie said:

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or possibly trade up to avoid being poached. Give DG, PS and the rest of the team for keeping our interest a secret. The other teams probably thought they would be able to "steal" Jones somewhere between 6 and 17, hence, they sat tight.

The media consensu before the draft was defense at six and qb at 17. Since March, it was reported we didn’t have much interest in Haskins

In comment 14601159 bw in dc said:

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Scheffter, the most dialed in reporter in the NFL with Denver football, is suddenly out of touch, then I see no reason to think the OP's story is remotely real. So I'm going with Scheffter on this...

Schefter was dialed into Mike Shanahan, not Broncos ownership.

In comment 14601187 Mr. Bungle said:

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In comment 14601159 bw in dc said: Quote: Scheffter, the most dialed in reporter in the NFL with Denver football, is suddenly out of touch, then I see no reason to think the OP's story is remotely real. So I'm going with Scheffter on this... Schefter was dialed into Mike Shanahan, not Broncos ownership.

So are you suggesting Shefter isn't dialed in with Elway now?

In comment 14601181 Jimmy Googs said:

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Should we shelve this trade offer until then?

I would.

In comment 14601160 micky said:

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Exactly. I said this early on --if he played well in the PS we would hear how teams wanted him.

multiple teams would have taken Jones before 17.
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Denver rumored to want to trade down means nothing. Their trade down after us taking Jones could mean nothing (I don’t think so but obviously have no actual idea).

But I think it’s fair to assume more teams liked Jones than fans or experts knew about. Haskins falling also happened, and makes leads me to believe at least 1 other team was in on Jones, likely more.

I really don’t see him available at 17.

A close friend is a Skins fan, lives in the NY area. Played in a charity golf outing with Jay Gruden.

JG said that WAS heard that DJ's private workout for the Giants was an absolutely lights out dominant display. They believed it because DJ "did a pretty nice job with us too." However, once they heard it from multiple accounts, they strongly believed there was no way that DJ would make it past 17, if not 6.

[So this next part is clearly JG talking his book to a skins fan but could still be true]

JG claims Haskins was always their target. His arm and whiteboard smarts are fantastic. His one knock is that he is way way slow. The reported interest in Rosen was always a smokescreen so as not to create a bidding war to move up if necessary. The only team they worried about was CIN bc their sources suggested Elway also preferred DJ. They were somewhat relaxed on CIN bc there was no chatter on them trying to move up, presumably for a QB. Once DJ was taken they were not surprised DEN traded back from 10.

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is reporting what Elway told him, not necessarily what was the actual truth of the situation.

Understand the difference.

It makes a difference in if I believe her or not

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It makes a difference in if I believe her or not

Don't leave out what her thumbs are like...

But all this “YOU guys all thought he was a major reach, WE knew he was legit” stuff is just terrible, especially since it’s only been one game.

In comment 14601159 bw in dc said:

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Scheffter, the most dialed in reporter in the NFL with Denver football, is suddenly out of touch, then I see no reason to think the OP's story is remotely real. So I'm going with Scheffter on this...

The Ops story could be true. Simply because Elway could have lied to his friend. Right now Jones looks great so a lot of people are coming out saying they wanted him. Similar to Chip Kelly (I think) years later saying they had Odell rated as top player on his draft board.

the thought of Giants should have waited to 17 to pick Jones (whether he was going to be there or not is inconsequential to me).
At the time I had no idea if the Giants picked the right QB or if Jones would be good (don't follow college and analysts obviously hated the pick).

But if you have the 6 and 17 picks in a draft and are drafting your QB of the future I as a fan want it to be with the 6th pick because if the Giants had drafted a QB at 17 I would have assumed they didn't actually believe in him and were drafting a QB to appease fans/media. You don't get cute and risk losing a QB you LOVE to get a better draft grade from Todd McShay because of value.

If you feel like you found a QB that has everything you want you take him even if everyone thinks you are wrong. QBs are so hard to find and if you dont have one it usually means your team is terrible and all of your resources will go towards finding one. Look at the teams that have been in QB hell, they all finish in the bottom 1/3 year after year because they dont have a capable QB.

We were there in the Dave Brown era, we went through several QBs until we finally picked up Kerry Collins to right the ship a little then we found Eli. The debate over when we should have taken DJ is just silly at this point. how many teams liked him doesnt matter. Could we have gotten him at 17? Who cares at this point, the kid looks like he should have gone #1, #6 seems like a bargain.

In comment 14601100 Jimmy Googs said:

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now that his value may be at an all-time high...

Ha ha ha

even the tools at PFF stated that they knew, even though they were incredulous to it, that Jones wasn't making out of the Top 10 based on everything they heard before the draft.

They couldn't believe it, but they knew it to be true.

The Manning/Cutcliff connection, the need for a QB, and the immediate trade down after he was picked all point in that direction. Giants couldn’t have been the only team high on him.

Because he will struggle against NE and Minnesota.