most teams have just 1 or 2 more pre-season games then the regular season starts.
thought I'd start a discussion thread.
Found this USA today record prediction and I think it's way off. I mean, way off.
but I'll share this and then add my commentary.
can't wait for the season to start.
Main concern is Hall’s contract. Time to trade him if they can’t get this finalized. I can live with it if they move him on.
The Penguins are the team to look out for. They could give one last push during the Crosby/Malkin era or fall flat on their faces. I could see them going the way of the Blackhawks and having to rebuild. I'm not sure what to think of the Hurricanes. They have a deep defense, but beside Aho, the offense is so-so.
I think is put up or shut up time for the Maple Leafs. How long can they go with all their offensive stars and not do squat in the playoffs?
But also, they love the Atlantic. the 3 best records in hockey and 5 teams all with more points (or tied) than the top metro team?
FL too high. COL, who I love, would be a real turnaround in 2 seasons.
And Drouin right now is on a line with Kotkaniemi, I'd love to see them play together.
Drouin's problems are not passion or commitment, he's just doesn't have a high hockey IQ. His whole career until now he was able to get by just being faster than everyone and a good stick handler, but now he can't do that. He needs to and IMO will learn to play hockey, not just be a "skills" guy.
I hate Julien, but I think he's good for Drouin - or he should be.
You don't score 213 pts in the Q as a 17 and 18 year old without passion or commitment.
That said, the Habs could trade him, but mostly because they have a log jam at F.
I don't know if they make the playoffs or not, their D is still very suspect. Probably just like last year from a record standpoint (close, they should contend if healthy)
I would not at all be surprised if the Islanders drop off some, or even improve some. But this seems like they just decided last year was some anomaly that will correct itself this year.
For me the metro will be highly contested. I wouldn't be surprised at whoever makes the playoffs out of the metro. I can see every team making the playoffs and every team not making it.
I would not at all be surprised if the Islanders drop off some, or even improve some. But this seems like they just decided last year was some anomaly that will correct itself this year.
Agree on CBJ
the Islanders did lose their Vezina nominated goalie.
Greiss was great too and good goalie metrics is a hallmark of the Trotz system, but maybe that's why.
otherwise I agree on the NYI being wrong too.
Devs fan here, as well, but I'm not sold on our goaltending yet. I think there's a lot of firepower now, but we may be getting into shootouts.
In the Atlantic, I don't see Montreal as a 96 point team, everything else looks about what I would expect. I think they're pretty on point with the Central too. Coyotes seem high to me in the Pacific.
Like many on here I also think they underestimate the Devils. If they stay healthy I don’t see why they would end up being one of the worst teams in the league.
These predictions feel like they were made by a casual hockey fan.
Trotz's system clearly makes goalies look better than they are so I don't see the huge dropoff that is being predicted. The issue will be can we score enough on offense to keep the pressure off of Barzal. This is why I would have loved Panarin. Not so much to play Barzal's wing but to play with Nelson and Bailey. They could have had Panarin-Nelson-Bailey on one line and Eberle-Barzal-Lee on another. Would keep teams from keying their top defensive line for Barzal.
The Greiss/Varm tandem will be hard pressed (even if they had kept Lehner) to repeat the same save % as last year, but I think they'll still be stellar. The Islanders goals scored should uptick a bit which will make up for the increased goals allowed.
We'll see how it all goes, but looks like a CAR/NYI rematch in the Metro IMO. Pitt looks old. WSH will be in the mix too.
The Greiss/Varm tandem will be hard pressed (even if they had kept Lehner) to repeat the same save % as last year, but I think they'll still be stellar. The Islanders goals scored should uptick a bit which will make up for the increased goals allowed.
We'll see how it all goes, but looks like a CAR/NYI rematch in the Metro IMO. Pitt looks old. WSH will be in the mix too.
My feeling is Lehner asked for more AAV than the Islanders paid for Varlamov, but then the Islanders moved on to Varlamov who is friends with Sorokin and Lehner got stuck being the last goalie standing in a game of musical chairs
Point being, in each and every one of those four good years, the predictions have been off by at least5-10 points for us. Last year they were off by as much as 25-30 points in some publications. For whatever reason, most publications have gloomy hopes for the Islanders every year, despite the Islanders completely outperforming those expectations (almost) every year for half decade.
So with that, I've stopped caring what these guys think. I think they take the next step and win the division this year, finally. But that's just me.
The Greiss/Varm tandem will be hard pressed (even if they had kept Lehner) to repeat the same save % as last year, but I think they'll still be stellar. The Islanders goals scored should uptick a bit which will make up for the increased goals allowed.
We'll see how it all goes, but looks like a CAR/NYI rematch in the Metro IMO. Pitt looks old. WSH will be in the mix too.
The Trotz system definitely helped, but Lehner was always on everyone's "breakout goalie" candidate list. He isn't some non-prospect Trotz turned into a Vezina candidate.
I think him dealing with his addiction/mental illness issues also helped a lot with his breakout season.
Call me biased but I can't see how the Devils miss the playoffs. It will come down to the goaltenders but they both looked solid this preseason.
The addition of Subban, Hughes, Gusev, and Simmonds is by far the most talent this team has added in a single offseason in their entire history. Taylor Hall is back and only played 33 games last season as well.
Keep an eye on Jesper Boqvist. He has great speed as well. I expect him to win a spot on the 3rd line where his speed will be a nice compliment Zajac and either Coleman or Simmonds.
If Pavel Zacha performs how he finished last season then the Devils depth will be outstanding.
I haven't been this excited entering an NHL season since the early 2000's.
I forgot what else is there
I forgot what else is there
Hart? Lady Bing?
Lundqvist has looked great.
And Drouin right now is on a line with Kotkaniemi, I'd love to see them play together.
Drouin's problems are not passion or commitment, he's just doesn't have a high hockey IQ. His whole career until now he was able to get by just being faster than everyone and a good stick handler, but now he can't do that. He needs to and IMO will learn to play hockey, not just be a "skills" guy.
I hate Julien, but I think he's good for Drouin - or he should be.
You don't score 213 pts in the Q as a 17 and 18 year old without passion or commitment.
That said, the Habs could trade him, but mostly because they have a log jam at F.
I don't know if they make the playoffs or not, their D is still very suspect. Probably just like last year from a record standpoint (close, they should contend if healthy)
I’m glad to hear Poehling made the team. He really impressed me in that last game of the season with a hat trick and the tiebreaker winner. He just looks so much better than Drouin already.
And you said Suzuki also made the team.....wow, this surprises me to see both. If your lines have already been named, I’d like to hear them. My boys shut your boys out twice this week, but I don’t think that will happen during the season. Good luck this year.
As for your defense, you have a couple of promising kids who looked good in preseason....Fleury and Brooks....so you should be better off come mid season with their progression in the minors. Weber, Perry, and Kulak are good 1,2, and 3 guys. Didn’t you also pick up a defenseman who is pretty decent too during the offseason? His name alludes me for now.... Are you happy with him?
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Then they win the Princes of Wales Cup...then they win the Stanley Cup; Kakko wins the Calder, Zibanejad wins the Conn Smythe, Trouba wins the Norris, Lundqvist wins the Vezina, Panarin wins the Art Ross, Lias wins the Selke, Quinn wins the Jack Adams...
I forgot what else is there
Hart? Lady Bing?
Lundqvist has looked great.
Too many fucking trophies
I like Fleury, Brook looked awful in PS games, but has a lot of potential.
The D they added in the off-season is Ben Chiarot, he's a very solid defensive defenseman. Should help Price. And he's very physical.
A bit worried about the wear and tear on the Bruins from last year's playoff run, esp Bergeron.
And the team really needs to find another winger to compliment the second line.
But they are deep, really deep, defensively and have solid goaltending.
As far as the Rangers as a team go, it all depends on the defensemen. I feel very good about the offense - the aforementioned top line will be tremendous, Kakko totally looks the part in preseason, Kravtsov looks good as well. Between Fox and Trouba, they'll get much more offense from the D, but how they do in their own end will determine if they make the playoffs or not.
I thought Fox looked very comfortable in his own end on Tuesday night (didn't catch Devils' game). Staal was atrocious on Eberle's goal, so we're stuck. Haven't seen much of d'Angelo on the other side.
That's significant youth. I can't remember a team with that much youth.
so there will be bumps, I'd look more for progress than results (at least early in the season), but with a strong goalie you never know. success breeding confidence leading to wins is a real thing in the NHL - just look at the Blues. Last place in the NHL on January 6th to Stanley Cup winners.
Why do you think Fox will struggle?
Also, I read in the PS he was much better in his own zone, but it's always been his weakness (not one that can't be corrected, but it's been noticeable).
I'm taking it he got time on the PK then. The Isles PP can make every D man look great
After a 40 point 22 year old season, I had high expectations, but then consistently bad back to back 25 point seasons.
and his defense took a step back, but that part IMO could be "contagious", the offense concerned me.
That's significant youth. I can't remember a team with that much youth.
so there will be bumps, I'd look more for progress than results (at least early in the season), but with a strong goalie you never know. success breeding confidence leading to wins is a real thing in the NHL - just look at the Blues. Last place in the NHL on January 6th to Stanley Cup winners.
The Devils and Rangers are very similar teams. Both teams playoff chances depend on the defense and goaltenders.
Does Lundqvist have enough left in the tank. Which Scheider will the Devils get? The one that opened the year and played so poorly he was demoted to the AHL or the Schneider that finished the season strong after returning from injury. The Devils have the added benefit of Mackenzie Blackwood who will likely split time with Schneider. Blackwood was excellent last season but he still has to prove he can be consistent.
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to have 6 players in their opening day lineup that are 21 or under (on opening day). 9 who are 23 and under.
That's significant youth. I can't remember a team with that much youth.
so there will be bumps, I'd look more for progress than results (at least early in the season), but with a strong goalie you never know. success breeding confidence leading to wins is a real thing in the NHL - just look at the Blues. Last place in the NHL on January 6th to Stanley Cup winners.
The Devils and Rangers are very similar teams. Both teams playoff chances depend on the defense and goaltenders.
Does Lundqvist have enough left in the tank. Which Scheider will the Devils get? The one that opened the year and played so poorly he was demoted to the AHL or the Schneider that finished the season strong after returning from injury. The Devils have the added benefit of Mackenzie Blackwood who will likely split time with Schneider. Blackwood was excellent last season but he still has to prove he can be consistent.
the Devils should contend this year though IMO.
The Rangers do not have a Taylor Hall, a Hart trophy contender (today at least).
And the Devils D is better. Butcher is probably top pair or top 4 at worst on the Rangers and he's bottom 4 on the Devils.
I disagree more with how USA Today has the Devils. I also think the Rangers will be better than this projection, but they will rely on their youth, where the Devils will less.
Goalie is, as you say, IMO the big question for the Devils.
And the Devils D is better. Butcher is probably top pair or top 4 at worst on the Rangers and he's bottom 4 on the Devils.
I disagree more with how USA Today has the Devils. I also think the Rangers will be better than this projection, but they will rely on their youth, where the Devils will less.
Goalie is, as you say, IMO the big question for the Devils.
Yep PJ I look for a big bounce back year for Butcher. He was great 2 years ago, took his lumps last year but has been maybe the most impressive Dman in camp this year. I have confidence in the Devs goaltending, I think it will come down to can the D get the puck out of he zone and hold the shot total down.