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NFT: Joker [2019] by Todd Phillips

AndyMilligan : 10/4/2019 12:57 am
Joker [2019] by Todd Phillips

I'm not much of a fan of superhero movies so I went into Joker with fairly low expectations. I was wrong. This was a dark and disturbing film that explores the nexus between mental illness and the pathology rampant in an unforgiving and corrupt society. Gotham is portrayed as looking and feeling like 80s NYC, the New York I grew up in. The iconic steps Joaquin Phoenix can be seen dancing on are in The Bronx at 167th Street near Jerome Avenue. The performance by Phoenix will be remembered for a long time. The film looks and sounds great. It has an intimate and somewhat indie feel at times. I was at a pre-release screening (by one day) and Director Todd Phillips was there for a Q& A. He discussed how the feel on the set was very unique and unlike a Hollywood film and they often had the score playing and let Phoenix improvise his movements and actions. I would also note that there is an extended homage to another classic psychodrama set in New York City - The King of Comedy. This film is special. I might even go see it again.





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RE: A bit disturbing  
madgiantscow009 : 10/5/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14612943 Marty866b said:
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But I really enjoyed Joker. Phoenix was incredible and I go to the movie at least twice a week. At this juncture, IMO, he is a shoe in for an Academy best actor. I loved Joker running through the Bronx as I got to see my "old" neighborhood. The movie even goes to and mentions Bedford Park for all the Bronxites here.


that's a lot of movie goin'.
RE: How can this be the Joker that Batman faces?  
RomanWH : 10/5/2019 11:26 pm : link
In comment 14612879 Matt M. said:
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In this movie, Bruce Way,ne is still a child and his parents still alive. Joker is about 40. So, the supervillain from Batman is supposed to be in his 60s when they face off?


I haven't seen it yet but from what I read about the movie a couple of months ago, Phoenix's Joker is a sort of proto-Joker. That is, this Arthur Fleck Joker character is supposed to serve as inspiration for the actual Joker that becomes Batman's arch-nemesis. No idea if they will actually tie anything in from this movie into the DCEU or start another DC cinematic universe from this. Personally, I can't wait to see this movie and take it for what it is.
my take  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/6/2019 7:03 am : link
My review is that the director of the Hangover and Old School gave us quite possibly the best movie of the year and possibly the best DC movie.

from beginning to end, this movie had me wanting more. This gave us the mind of a notorious villain that we didn’t understand. It gave us the true modern day look at a psychotic city going to shit and a man that was crazy enough to come to terms with his insanity. It’s insane how Phoenix commanded your attention in each scene he was in.

and to echo what others have said, the score had you feeling the madness throughout the film. The Score has you going through the motions with anyone in the film.

if I were Warner Bros, I would open the checkbook to Todd and anyone associated with this film. I saw Bradley Cooper produced it so even get him on board. This is what separates DC from Marvel. They can do these types with real world consequences.

funny tidbits, Martha and Thomas Wayne died in the alley way I walk through everyday to take the train to NY. Also, the theater they were filming was also in Jersey city. There is where I saw Batman so long ago.

Best Movie this year.
It's called a satchel.  
Tesla : 10/6/2019 9:45 am : link
Indiana Jones wore one.
saw it yesterday  
bc4life : 10/6/2019 8:18 pm : link
Thought it was pretty good not great. But I want to see it again. Thought they could have ended it a bit differently. (possibly 5 minutes sooner)
Joaquin Phoenix did an interview  
moespree : 10/6/2019 9:27 pm : link
He said he can't stop thinking about the role and has been discussing with Phillips if there is anything else they can do with the character moving forward. This caught a lot of people off guard because it's the first time Joaquin Phoenix has ever even come close to suggesting he's open about a sequel to one of his characters.

And the fact it utterly annihilated box office records this weekend would suggest DC would certainly be open to it. No idea how that'd work though with the story.
An Anti-Hero Movie?  
Percy : 10/7/2019 1:20 pm : link
A new Raskolnikov, with or without redemption at the very end? Haven't seen it yet. But the politics of it (e.g. ANTIFA, mass and random casual gun violence, mental illness) and of the reviewers, about which one can only speculate, fascinate.
Rock and Roll part 2 by Gary Glitter  
Mr. Nickels : 10/11/2019 11:07 pm : link
There could not have been a more perfect song choice for the Joker's first appearance in full suit and makeup triumphantly dancing down the long staircase.

A hockey anthem of the 70s 80s 90s shunned away by society because of the heinous crimes of its creator yet the familiar triumphant tune seems to sync perfectly with the birth of this new evil maniac.
The script had Bennie and the Jets originally  
moespree : 10/12/2019 12:07 am : link
No idea why they changed it. In fact I'm fairly certain the final script itself still mentions that as the song which suggests this was a song change made on the fly.

I saw it and thought it was disturbing frankly  
PatersonPlank : 10/12/2019 10:05 am : link
Seems to glorify social violence, and the hero's are all emotionally unstable characters who have issues with society. I can see why some think this movie can cause unrest, its like a "dark web" fringe website on the big screen.

I much prefer uplifting movies my self.
I like dark and gritty movies  
Essex : 10/14/2019 1:56 pm : link
and I think NYC in the 70s is an awesome era to evoke (even though it is Gotham etc etc we all know what they were going for).

I just thought the movie was tedious. It is one thing to document a person’s descent into madness it is quite another to do so effectively and while entertaining audiences. I thought they did effectively it just wasn’t all that entertaining. The story line was thin and it repeated the same points over and over. I thought Joaquin Phoenix was excellent but the movie overall just was to depressing and to really say hey I enjoyed that 2 hours. There are plenty of depressing, gritty stories that are also entertaining, this just wasn’t one of them.
Saw it and the things it did well, it did very well.  
Motley Two : 10/14/2019 2:59 pm : link
The acting, setting/mood, score were all very good.

It drew out some laughs from the audience at things they might not normally laugh at or they would, but wouldn't admit to it (The door lock scene & knock knock joke in particular). That was pretty clever.

The only thing I didn't like is a thought it was a bit to on the nose with some of the plot points/motivations and there was a little too much hand holding for the audience in the final act during the Murray Show scene. Joker was a little too aware of his craziness and too direct with his explanation. "Show. Don't tell." would have worked better here to me.
RE: I saw it and thought it was disturbing frankly  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/18/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14625600 PatersonPlank said:
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Seems to glorify social violence, and the hero's are all emotionally unstable characters who have issues with society. I can see why some think this movie can cause unrest, its like a "dark web" fringe website on the big screen.

I much prefer uplifting movies my self.


This kinda scares me that people are being conditioned to think this way. Do you know how many villains over the years have been glorified? Patrick Bateman. Anton Sugar... and you know.. the Joker multiple times to name a few? It doesn't glorify anything. In fact, if anything, it shows how we as a society can do a better job supporting the mentally ill, the disenfranchised, and the ostracized to help them be better parts of society instead of helping them come to the conclusion that society itself is the enemy. I think that's an apolitical statement.

The unrest is unwarranted. The rise in violent crime dramatically increased in the 60's when the news started covering it aggressively and violence became a path to relevance for many. This is just a great movie that shines a light on the corner of our world no one wants to look at.
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