in one short paragraph.. when asked about, do organizations care about fan unhappiness... He replied back with a yes and used Eli as the example.. Its very telling because Jay has been right about Giants org on many things..
Based on his answer its clear that since his benching the organization was pressured to start him simply because of the fan outcry.. For any non-biased fan it seemed like Eli was done from 2016.. and when the HC finally had the guts to bench a non-performing player.. he got fired.. Not that I am defending McAdoo.. things would've been a lot different over the past 2 years if we had decided to move on from Eli after 2016 and moved up to draft Mahomes..
Regardless we've moved on..
This is a guy who showed up looking like Doug Heffernan on Day one and transformed himself into Gordon Gecko after a year where we had a very good turnover ratio and incredibly good health.
And after finally finding a suit that fit and reshaping his butt-cut hairdo, he alienated the team to the point where defensive players walked off the field and refused to go back into a game.
Then he pulled the stunt of benching Eli for Geno.
He fucked himself by letting a decent year go to his head and completely lost a team.
That has nothing to do with owndership
That’s a great capsule. It’s astonishing how much has happened in this organization over the past 3 years.
The former would've led to his dismissal after the season. Soiling Eli and his streak leading to the fan outcry compounded the former, and led to his early ouster.
As for fan happiness, if that was foremost in ownership's mind this awful stadium would be different, the eay the team us run would be different, etc. Mara has shown no interest in the fans.
Talking about starting Nate Stupar at LB just doesn't have the same zing...
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As for fan happiness, if that was foremost in ownership's mind this awful stadium would be different, the eay the team us run would be different, etc. Mara has shown no interest in the fans.
If Davis Webb played like Davis Webb the fan outrage would have been just as loud for different reasons, and he likely would have had to pull the plug before halftime. Imagine the fan outrage if the streak was broken for a guy who couldn’t last a half and Eli having to come in to game in relief?
The utter incompetence and failure of the org from 2013-2018 allows for mutually inclusive sucking by all the characters.
Coughlin fizzled, Reese couldn't build a winner, Mara made a number of bad decisions, Manning had or was rapidly hitting the end, MacAdoo was in over his head.
A good org can absorb bad performance at one of those key roles, the Giants were just lucky enough to get all of them sucking for a 5 year period.
The whole thing was a clusterfuck in the truest sense of the word. The brass fucked thing sup. They switched QBs, the new guy was a small improvement but not a significant one, and then they switched back. If you're switching QBs, you have to give the new guy a chance. They didn't.
As for Geno being on the roster, he was a reasonable reclamation project, but there was no point in benching Eli for the guy. He wasn't going to be the new QB.
I remember when Little Bill benched Bernie Kosar for Vinnie Testaverde. The move was despised in Cleveland. But Testaverde was better. Little Bill took the heat and stood by the move. The Giants lacked the testicular fortitude to do that. Embarrassing.
The Giants would have won the Oakland game if Geno hadn't fumbled twice. Yeah, I know, the fumbling is on Geno, but minus one of those turnovers and the Giants win the game and Geno starts from then on. Not saying Geno is a great quarterback, just saying that we came that close to seeing the last of Eli.
The truth is - the who was irrelevant. The idea was to see someone else at the controls, to see how much the surrounding cast was to blame for the offensive performance.
Remember - it originated by telling Eli, in a season that was already circling the drain, that they would pull him as the game went on to see how the team would do with another QB at the helm. At that point, Eli said no, just bench me.
They would have been able to evaluate the surrounding talent and determine just how bad the OL, WR, RB positions were with a change at QB, to see whether Eli was holding the team back or whether it was the other way around.
The net results with Geno Smith at the controls weren't much different - and that was huge red flag #1.
Eli wasn't benched for Geno Smith. He was benched because he was the one variable in that controlled experiment that they needed to change to see how the rest would perform.
The truth is - the who was irrelevant. The idea was to see someone else at the controls, to see how much the surrounding cast was to blame for the offensive performance.
Remember - it originated by telling Eli, in a season that was already circling the drain, that they would pull him as the game went on to see how the team would do with another QB at the helm. At that point, Eli said no, just bench me.
They would have been able to evaluate the surrounding talent and determine just how bad the OL, WR, RB positions were with a change at QB, to see whether Eli was holding the team back or whether it was the other way around.
The net results with Geno Smith at the controls weren't much different - and that was huge red flag #1.
Eli wasn't benched for Geno Smith. He was benched because he was the one variable in that controlled experiment that they needed to change to see how the rest would perform.
This is the most accurate, and intellectually honest assessment of the situation I've seen posted here.
I don't blame Manning not wanting to be part of making a regular season effectively a pre-season game.
Let's be real, that is exactly what was about to happen. Manning was asked to play some amount of series and then give the ball to the backups.
But it was his choice. The crying scene really changed my view of him.
Webb was never going to start that game. He was not the 2nd string QB that week, and was never ready. By the time it fell apart in the middle of the week, there was no chance Webb would be ready.
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Everyone keeps focusing on WHO Eli was benched for.
The truth is - the who was irrelevant. The idea was to see someone else at the controls, to see how much the surrounding cast was to blame for the offensive performance.
Remember - it originated by telling Eli, in a season that was already circling the drain, that they would pull him as the game went on to see how the team would do with another QB at the helm. At that point, Eli said no, just bench me.
They would have been able to evaluate the surrounding talent and determine just how bad the OL, WR, RB positions were with a change at QB, to see whether Eli was holding the team back or whether it was the other way around.
The net results with Geno Smith at the controls weren't much different - and that was huge red flag #1.
Eli wasn't benched for Geno Smith. He was benched because he was the one variable in that controlled experiment that they needed to change to see how the rest would perform.
This is the most accurate, and intellectually honest assessment of the situation I've seen posted here.
I don't blame Manning not wanting to be part of making a regular season effectively a pre-season game.
Let's be real, that is exactly what was about to happen. Manning was asked to play some amount of series and then give the ball to the backups.
But it was his choice. The crying scene really changed my view of him.
Webb was never going to start that game. He was not the 2nd string QB that week, and was never ready. By the time it fell apart in the middle of the week, there was no chance Webb would be ready.