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NFT: The Irishman [2019] by Martin Scorsese

AndyMilligan : 10/5/2019 9:28 pm
The Irishman [2019] by Martin Scorsese

Growing up in New York in the 70's and 80's, the disappearance of labor union icon Jimmy Hoffa was a pretty big deal. The story was in the ether and people wondered if he was alive or dead, tied up somewhere or entombed in a concrete block in Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey. The Irishman takes on this mythical American mob story and entwines it with all of US history from the mid-50s to the 90s. It is a juicy recipe for a sweeping epic by the hand of Scorsese.

Well, I feel this film is a bit of a mixed bag. The highs of the film are pretty damn good. There is a great lead performance by De Niro and fine to interesting turns by Pesci, Pacino, Cannavale, etc. Pacino plays Hoffa like a whacked out mob boss. I'm not always convinced but it is just this side of typical Al hysteria and seems to work well enough. The film is long but the epic scope is compelling as we watch De Niro's Sheeran commit to the life of a cold hearted killer. I was with the film the whole way for the most part and I loved seeing linkages from Kennedy to Bay of Pigs to Watergate to corrupt mob and union practices, connecting titanic figures in recent American history. But this film, though good and absorbing just doesn't reach the heights of peak Scorsese - films like Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, even The Wolf of Wall Street.

But the elephant in the room in my opinion is the makeup. De Niro is aged in many stages throughout the film. For large chunks De Niro is de-aged and I think the effect is flawed and almost ruins the movie. I am sure they decided on this approach to save money. I was at a screening at the DGA Theater in NY and De Niro was there and discussed the makeup. He said they could shoot any scene at any time and not waste time on practical makeup. Instead they applied tiny dots to his face so the de-aging or aging makeup fx could be done in post. It looks like an effect who's time has not come yet and having it applied to the visuals of a classic filmmaker's (likely final) epic seems short sighted and chintzy. If I am being honest, this choice nearly fucks up the entire look of the movie.

Oh well, the effect is there and mars an otherwise fine, slow-burning, if long, absorbing mob drama. It is a quality Scorsese effort with lots of great acting and fun spurts of action/violence. De Niro brings home the goods giving insight into the life of a man who finds himself near the center of the political labor movement while moonlighting as a sociopathic mobster. This continues to shape up as a big year for mainstream movies. The Irishman is a contender, but it ain't no Joker.




What makes you say it's likely his last epic?  
Motley Two : 10/5/2019 9:51 pm : link
And how would you classify whichbod his films are epic? Seems like the majority of the films from the second half of his career(or since Goodfellas) have mostly large in scope with pretty hefty run times.
RE: What makes you say it's likely his last epic?  
AndyMilligan : 10/5/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14612915 Motley Two said:
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And how would you classify whichbod his films are epic? Seems like the majority of the films from the second half of his career(or since Goodfellas) have mostly large in scope with pretty hefty run times.


Going by hearsay, Scorsese has mentioned in interviews that this is probably his last big movie... But maybe I have that wrong. He is getting up there. I hope I am wrong though.

Yes he has a lot of long pictures .. not everything is epic, imo but in more recent times I would include Wolf and Gangs as epics..
RE: RE: What makes you say it's likely his last epic?  
Motley Two : 10/5/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14612916 AndyMilligan said:
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And how would you classify whichbod his films are epic? Seems like the majority of the films from the second half of his career(or since Goodfellas) have mostly large in scope with pretty hefty run times.



Going by hearsay, Scorsese has mentioned in interviews that this is probably his last big movie... But maybe I have that wrong. He is getting up there. I hope I am wrong though.

Yes he has a lot of long pictures .. not everything is epic, imo but in more recent times I would include Wolf and Gangs as epics..


Cool. I was just curious. Im actually watching Raging Bull on Netflix when I saw your post.
I thought The Aviator & Silence were both pretty epic too but for different reasons

Maybe
Maybe he'll make  
Motley Two : 10/5/2019 10:03 pm : link
a Color of Money follow up for me?
RE: RE: RE: What makes you say it's likely his last epic?  
AndyMilligan : 10/5/2019 10:24 pm : link
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In comment 14612915 Motley Two said:


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And how would you classify whichbod his films are epic? Seems like the majority of the films from the second half of his career(or since Goodfellas) have mostly large in scope with pretty hefty run times.



Going by hearsay, Scorsese has mentioned in interviews that this is probably his last big movie... But maybe I have that wrong. He is getting up there. I hope I am wrong though.

Yes he has a lot of long pictures .. not everything is epic, imo but in more recent times I would include Wolf and Gangs as epics..



Cool. I was just curious. Im actually watching Raging Bull on Netflix when I saw your post.
I thought The Aviator & Silence were both pretty epic too but for different reasons

Maybe


Raging Bull is stone cold...
I've read some similar things  
moespree : 10/5/2019 10:47 pm : link
That the de-aging is just way too glaring and takes away a lot from the film. I did hear the story and pace is really good though and that Ray Romano of all people is a surprise scene stealer in the film and holds his own excellently with the big stars.
Mythical?  
George from PA : 10/6/2019 2:44 am : link
This is not mythical story....read the book...they paint houses......it was Sheehan death bed testimonial.

Sheehan is a real mobster....worked for Russell buffalino and supported and friended Hoffa.
My grandpa knew  
mattnyg05 : 10/6/2019 6:51 am : link
Sal “Sally Bugs” Briguglio through a connection at the trucking company his brothers owned. Briguglio is considered in some circles the guy who actually killed Hoffa, and he himself was set up and murdered by Tony Pro (who is portrayed in this film). This was because he possibly knew too much about Hoffa and other things as a mafia hit man.

Anyway... in the mid 60s, while my grandpa was at work, the town they lived in came to install a new sewer system that ran through the yard. My grandma (and my uncle and dad, as kids) watched them start the process of installing the sewer and also destroying the yard. My grandma commented to them and said to please be careful of certain parts of the yard (she had a beautiful garden for many years there). They responded by saying “this yard is garbage” and basically telling her to shut up and get in the house. She called my grandpa at work and told him what was going on. My grandpa called Sal Briguglio...

My uncle Mike describes what happened next: men in clean black suits with giant trucks filled with topsoil pulled up to the property and RAN out of the trucks and began repairing the yard. They apologized profusely to my grandma and carefully fixed what had been damaged. They had never seen anything like it. My grandpa for years after would call Briguglio and ask him to come over for dinner and some wine, but he would always decline because he’d say “They’re always watching me. If I visit you, they’ll be watching you too.”

This has almost absolutely nothing to do with this movie but I figured I’d share it anyway. Gives new meaning to “get off of my lawn!!!”
mattnyg05: that's a good story, thanks for posting it  
Giants61 : 10/6/2019 6:57 am : link
Wonder if anyone got buried by the landscaper in your grandparents' yard
My wifes family is from Pittston PA.....Buffalino home town  
George from PA : 10/6/2019 8:18 am : link
15 italian clubs within 4 blocks... Wild stories....we would go to one of his resteraunts....see him in the back corner.....people in town thought of him as an uncle.
I think epic has to tell a large story  
Vanzetti : 10/6/2019 11:41 am : link
A movie about an individual family or couple might be a great movie, but it wouldn't be an epic.

Also, the movie needs to be long and it also helps if it has past stars like Pacino, who give it that sense of sweep and the passing of time.

Based on Andy's review sounds like this movie qualifies. So, in a way, you have to compare it to other epics
De Niro  
Percy : 10/6/2019 2:42 pm : link
Had enough of him. I'll pass.
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