Not sure how we turn over 3/5 of our OL but we need to before we are ever going to seriously compete for this division.
2 tackles and a center ain't easy to find all in 1 draft/free agency/offseason, not to mention when you have needs almost everywhere on defense as well.
Shurmur and DG have about 1 year from today to start showing real results. Results meaning actually competing with the Cowboys and Eagles to try and win this division. And if they can't do that between now and the halfway mark of next season... can them in season and get a jump start on your next GM/HC.
Right now we aren't even close to our rivals in Dallas or Philly and it's sad. OL and Defense are the biggest weaknessesm
DG's inability to pick up FA's who aren't JAG or worse.
The OL is completely rebuilt, and it's questionable whether it is better than the old line, and if it is better, that's a testament to how bad the old line was.
You can't draft everywhere, which puts pressure to do at least OK in FA. DG has not answered the call in that area.
DG's inability to pick up FA's who aren't JAG or worse.
The OL is completely rebuilt, and it's questionable whether it is better than the old line, and if it is better, that's a testament to how bad the old line was.
You can't draft everywhere, which puts pressure to do at least OK in FA. DG has not answered the call in that area.
Studs don't hit FA. They have to use jags until they have more freedom to exercise more chances on getting some in the depth.
DG's inability to pick up FA's who aren't JAG or worse.
The OL is completely rebuilt, and it's questionable whether it is better than the old line, and if it is better, that's a testament to how bad the old line was.
You can't draft everywhere, which puts pressure to do at least OK in FA. DG has not answered the call in that area.
The OL is definitely better. It just isn't significantly better. Solder still sucks and Remmers has been terrible. Zeitler has been an upgrade at RG, but not by a huge margin. Halapio just gets pushed back all game every week. I would start with OC next year and then LT.
The line the last 8 games last year was much better than this group. I know Zeitler is hurt, and I give him credit for playing through it, but he's not been a big net upgrade over Jamon Brown.
Same thing for Halapio and Pulley -- neither are guys I'd line the Giants to pencil for the future -- but Pulley to my eyes made fewer glaring mistakes.
I wasn't that excited about Remmers, but he's certainly a nice step up over Wheeler.
The Jets OL gave up 10 sacks today vs Philly. There were rumors earlier in the week that the Jets were considering benching Kalil because he has played so poorly this season.
Against an elite DL. Let’s not go overboard. The ol struggled but it hasn’t struggled all season long. Comparing this unit to the dregs we watched the last few years is unfair.
Against an elite DL. Let’s not go overboard. The ol struggled but it hasn’t struggled all season long. Comparing this unit to the dregs we watched the last few years is unfair.
This OL is better than the ones we witnessed in 2017 and the first half of 2018... But it isn't great either. Solder is up and down, Remmers is meh, Halapio is not a starting quality center period end.
I've said this numerous times, this teams needs 2 OTs and a C in the next 2 years.
We are unable to evaluate OL play. Doesn't matter how obviously the player sucks!
At least that's what they shouted at me when I said Halapio wasn't a starter.
Of course these are the same people who rail at any hint of criticism leveled at the organization.
LOL. Are you using this thread to confirm that Halapio stinks??
And no - you can't use PFF and make assumptions about what assignments are to grade lineman. That was your point - that you had the insight to be able to tell which lineman were doing their jobs. add Halapio being a Center and it is that much more difficult.
I rail on arrogant stupidity - namely that you can ascertain who is carrying out their job - when you don't have a fucking clue what their job is.
Halapio has not been terrible this year and the OL overall is much improved. But you see, they lost yesterday with a 3rd string RB in there against a very good D, so everyone must suck! Just by thread titles, Halapio blows and Solder is a turnstile.
that thread, you are going to stand by the comment that Halapio "doesn't have the mental faculty to play the position", right. That is such an arrogant statement made by a fucker from his couch. But that wasn't it. You apparently know what to see:
Quote:
The fact that you cannot see what I am referring to on the videos (4 plays I linked on this thread) says all we need to know about your football acumen.
but then, not just a few posts later, a really good poster at breaking down things, English Alastair pointed this out:
Quote:
went back
English Alaister : 6/7/2019 4:16 am : link
a couple of months ago and watched every play of the Jags game on the all-22 and I'd say this
- There is some good and bad on that tape for sure but actually only about 2 plays where I think I'd really want to get on Halapio for something.
- Flowers and Omameh are utterly brutal. You can see the gameplan is to try and let the vets on the right side get by whilst Pio helps the rookie but actually the rookie is a picture of stability.
- I really don't see the same volume of bad things you do. Should also be noted Pio flashes some really nice power for a center. If he can get a run in the team and the injury doesn't linger I think he can be an O'Hara type find.
The difference in those two posts is pretty stark. One guy is asserting that he knows what he's seeing while the other guy (watching the All-22 feed) is giving a balanced view.
What I'll stand by is that people trying to assertively say they know what a player was supposed to do are full of shit. Especially when they start talking about mental acumen and calling out protection schemes.
I'll say with certainty that McL doesn't know what the protection schemes are, let alone what was called out. But he's on this thread talking about "his critics" and wanting a pat on the back.
Games like yesterday. Shurmur tried to keep them honest, but everyone knew the deal....Everyone but the geniuses here making definitive statements about who sucks and who's trash and blah blah blah. Hopefully these posters are just young?
'The line the last 8 games last year was much better than this group'. Â
The Jets OL gave up 10 sacks today vs Philly. There were rumors earlier in the week that the Jets were considering benching Kalil because he has played so poorly this season.
It's probably because Darnold is still sick. FOTJ told us all that Kalil signed with the Jets specifically because he could see how great Darnold was going to be. Darnold's bout with mono probably has Kalil very distracted.
is better than it was, while still not very good. It’s kind of in-line with the level of play I’m seeing from o-lines across the league. The main issue is that there’s a rookie QB in without a legit running back and they played some really good front 7’s the past few games. Defenses are just going all out attacking Jones because it’s all they have to do against the offense right now. The o-line isn’t good enough to counter that. I would expect a decent draft pick or FA money spent to upgrade the o-line more.
Also, the coaching is not good enough to overcome the talent deficit and injuries.
Should have drafted Hjalte Froholdt instead of Julian Love. Â
False narrative right now. They are not playing better than last years revamped group with Pulley and Brown that played the second half last season. Stats on running(especially inside) and pressure yielded(combined sacks, hurries and hits) were all better with the former group. Do the work.
False narrative right now. They are not playing better than last years revamped group with Pulley and Brown that played the second half last season. Stats on running(especially inside) and pressure yielded(combined sacks, hurries and hits) were all better with the former group. Do the work.
+A million.
Somewhere in the story, it's lost that the line improved markedly last year. Games 8-16 they were a pretty group. Especially run blocking.
Never once on that thread did I reference PFF. That is spin on your part.
So you are going to dig in on the position that Halapio is a good center... Let's see how that works out for you. Seems you are already in a minority.
You are very quick to insult others, but you don't take a look at yourself. You have a pathological need to be the smartest person on the board. Anybody or anything that threatens that you attack with vengeance. You simply cannot accept that somebody might be more capable than you are at spotting things.
You've dug in on the Giants have an advanced analytics department. As proof you recently posted some article about Ty Siam informing DG that coverage is more effective than rushing. That bit of analytics was been published publicly at least 4 years ago. It's not like he came up with it. It is also a misleading analytic. There have been other analysis that shows you need a balance between them. So that hardly qualifies.
You love to spin and twist things (like your PFF comment), but you offer no real value of your own, and you are very concerned that people will recognize that. You dig yourself so far in, that you won't even dare to look at evidence that refutes and contradicts your lame assertions.
if you’re Kevin Zeitler and Jon Halapio, you graded out worse than both the tackles. There were multiple miscommunications between the two, as they were visibly frustrated with each other after a couple passing plays
First, which of those two is primarily responsible for overall OL communication?
Do you really believe the problem is with the guy touted as a pro-bowl level guard, or with guy who was cut from 4 teams and is getting his first chance at starting?
Why is it whenever there is an overall breakdown on the OL, it always seems to be around Halapio?
At some point you just have to call a joker a joker.
Not sure how we turn over 3/5 of our OL but we need to before we are ever going to seriously compete for this division.
2 tackles and a center ain't easy to find all in 1 draft/free agency/offseason, not to mention when you have needs almost everywhere on defense as well.
Shurmur and DG have about 1 year from today to start showing real results. Results meaning actually competing with the Cowboys and Eagles to try and win this division. And if they can't do that between now and the halfway mark of next season... can them in season and get a jump start on your next GM/HC.
Right now we aren't even close to our rivals in Dallas or Philly and it's sad. OL and Defense are the biggest weaknessesm
The OL is completely rebuilt, and it's questionable whether it is better than the old line, and if it is better, that's a testament to how bad the old line was.
You can't draft everywhere, which puts pressure to do at least OK in FA. DG has not answered the call in that area.
The OL is completely rebuilt, and it's questionable whether it is better than the old line, and if it is better, that's a testament to how bad the old line was.
You can't draft everywhere, which puts pressure to do at least OK in FA. DG has not answered the call in that area.
Studs don't hit FA. They have to use jags until they have more freedom to exercise more chances on getting some in the depth.
DG inherited a team with lots of holes.
The OL is completely rebuilt, and it's questionable whether it is better than the old line, and if it is better, that's a testament to how bad the old line was.
You can't draft everywhere, which puts pressure to do at least OK in FA. DG has not answered the call in that area.
Hunter was a beast today .
If you use "pass as run" too often you set the ol up for failure, handing the initiave to.dls .
We need the premium picks for fast linebackers and speedy safeties.
It's the downside of fancy football .
Will be interesting to see how DG uses our cap space an handles the draft this off season.
Same thing for Halapio and Pulley -- neither are guys I'd line the Giants to pencil for the future -- but Pulley to my eyes made fewer glaring mistakes.
I wasn't that excited about Remmers, but he's certainly a nice step up over Wheeler.
Do you feel Halapio hasn't stunk every game this year?
At least that's what they shouted at me when I said Halapio wasn't a starter.
Of course these are the same people who rail at any hint of criticism leveled at the organization.
here is the thread
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=584080
If Andrew Thomas, Tristan Wirfs, and Walker Little are gone then Biadasz would be a good choice if they are picking in the teens.
I know Walker Little is out for the season but his upside is huge. Had he remained healthy he would have been a top 10 pick.
This OL is better than the ones we witnessed in 2017 and the first half of 2018... But it isn't great either. Solder is up and down, Remmers is meh, Halapio is not a starting quality center period end.
I've said this numerous times, this teams needs 2 OTs and a C in the next 2 years.
here is the thread
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=584080
Boy that's a lot of crickets from my critics, and I know they were online tonight.
At least that's what they shouted at me when I said Halapio wasn't a starter.
Of course these are the same people who rail at any hint of criticism leveled at the organization.
LOL. Are you using this thread to confirm that Halapio stinks??
And no - you can't use PFF and make assumptions about what assignments are to grade lineman. That was your point - that you had the insight to be able to tell which lineman were doing their jobs. add Halapio being a Center and it is that much more difficult.
I rail on arrogant stupidity - namely that you can ascertain who is carrying out their job - when you don't have a fucking clue what their job is.
Halapio has not been terrible this year and the OL overall is much improved. But you see, they lost yesterday with a 3rd string RB in there against a very good D, so everyone must suck! Just by thread titles, Halapio blows and Solder is a turnstile.
But hey - you have insight, right?
but then, not just a few posts later, a really good poster at breaking down things, English Alastair pointed this out:
English Alaister : 6/7/2019 4:16 am : link
a couple of months ago and watched every play of the Jags game on the all-22 and I'd say this
- There is some good and bad on that tape for sure but actually only about 2 plays where I think I'd really want to get on Halapio for something.
- Flowers and Omameh are utterly brutal. You can see the gameplan is to try and let the vets on the right side get by whilst Pio helps the rookie but actually the rookie is a picture of stability.
- I really don't see the same volume of bad things you do. Should also be noted Pio flashes some really nice power for a center. If he can get a run in the team and the injury doesn't linger I think he can be an O'Hara type find.
The difference in those two posts is pretty stark. One guy is asserting that he knows what he's seeing while the other guy (watching the All-22 feed) is giving a balanced view.
What I'll stand by is that people trying to assertively say they know what a player was supposed to do are full of shit. Especially when they start talking about mental acumen and calling out protection schemes.
I'll say with certainty that McL doesn't know what the protection schemes are, let alone what was called out. But he's on this thread talking about "his critics" and wanting a pat on the back.
Smug fucking cluelessness.
It's probably because Darnold is still sick. FOTJ told us all that Kalil signed with the Jets specifically because he could see how great Darnold was going to be. Darnold's bout with mono probably has Kalil very distracted.
Also, the coaching is not good enough to overcome the talent deficit and injuries.
+A million.
Somewhere in the story, it's lost that the line improved markedly last year. Games 8-16 they were a pretty group. Especially run blocking.
So you are going to dig in on the position that Halapio is a good center... Let's see how that works out for you. Seems you are already in a minority.
You are very quick to insult others, but you don't take a look at yourself. You have a pathological need to be the smartest person on the board. Anybody or anything that threatens that you attack with vengeance. You simply cannot accept that somebody might be more capable than you are at spotting things.
You've dug in on the Giants have an advanced analytics department. As proof you recently posted some article about Ty Siam informing DG that coverage is more effective than rushing. That bit of analytics was been published publicly at least 4 years ago. It's not like he came up with it. It is also a misleading analytic. There have been other analysis that shows you need a balance between them. So that hardly qualifies.
You love to spin and twist things (like your PFF comment), but you offer no real value of your own, and you are very concerned that people will recognize that. You dig yourself so far in, that you won't even dare to look at evidence that refutes and contradicts your lame assertions.
I mean Brett, not Daniel.
First, which of those two is primarily responsible for overall OL communication?
Do you really believe the problem is with the guy touted as a pro-bowl level guard, or with guy who was cut from 4 teams and is getting his first chance at starting?
Why is it whenever there is an overall breakdown on the OL, it always seems to be around Halapio?
At some point you just have to call a joker a joker.