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NFT: 10/8 Knicks Talk: Cancel your June plans

LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/8/2019 8:39 am
We're going to the Finals! Wondering why RJ Barrett played 39 mintues though in a preseason game.

Game Notes

RJ Barrett: Impressive debut. Not flawless though. 17 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists on 6-13 shooting. It was really a tale of two halves for him. Started off 1-6. Primarily a floor spacer in the first half for whatever reason. Had 14 points in the second half and showed that he has some NBA level moves and can drive and finish with contact. Knocked down a couple 3's. He took over in the second half.

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RJ Barrett with Elfrid Payton: 3 points on 1-5 from field, 0-3 from three, 1 assist

RJ Barrett with Frank Ntilikina: 14 points on 5-8 from field, 2-3 from three, 2 assists


Frank Ntilikina: Biggest stat. Team high +16. He makes our team just play better defensively when he defends at the point of attack. He shot 3-10 from the field. Still not gonna cut it on the offensive end. He just needs to find a way to knock down another shot or two.

Marcus Morris: Early ejection from bouncing the ball off defenders head. Kinda funny if you ask me. Team high 17 points. 6-12, 3-4 from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists. Played a good game. He also looks to be playing more of the 3 this year than the 4.

Julius Randle: He played an overall good game offensively. Defensively he's going to have to be hidden around Mitch or Morris. 11 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists. His passing is much better than I remembered.

Mitchell Robinson: Typical game from him. Scrappy on the boards, 4 blocks with a few dunks.

Kevin Knox: Appears to be stronger and in better shape this year. Had some good plays. Had some bad plays. Inconsistent game from him. Would have been an overall good game from him if you take out the 4th. His 4th quarter was bad.

Overall this should be a FUN year for the Knicks in a LONG, LONG time.

I'll have  
gmenatlarge : 10/8/2019 8:42 am : link
what he's having!!!!
Preseason is only 4 games  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 8:44 am : link
so starters and normal rotation is going to play more than usual...

now the question is who is out of the rotation when smith and portis play friday
great write-up  
Pep22 : 10/8/2019 8:55 am : link
I also thought Taj Gibson showed well.
chsrles oakley still hates the knicks  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 9:07 am : link
Charles Oakley
@CharlesOakley34

23m
You canít bring back 90ís style basketball back without Mason (RIP) & Oakley, thatís funny
Generally  
Jon in NYC : 10/8/2019 9:17 am : link
a pretty good showing.

The Wiz went on a huge late run against our backups, but it was a comfortable win start to finish.

If they play defense and keep the ball movement up they'll be much better than last year. Maybe not 40 win good, but 30 wins is still a 13 win improvement.

Shooting needs a lot of work across the board.
Watched some of the game last night.  
Giant John : 10/8/2019 9:17 am : link
Team looked good. Could be an interesting season.
team has too much depth....  
Italianju : 10/8/2019 9:32 am : link
I think the Morris signing actually messed them up a bit. Not that it was a bad signing, but i dont think they expected to get a guy deserving of 30 minutes that late in the free agent period. I dont get how they play all 3 pgs or Gibson and Portis. One of the PG's and one of the PF/C's just cant play. Im so worried that Fiz is going to roll out 12 guys a game. The changing of the starting lineup and rotations last year was absurd.
RE: team has too much depth....  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14618315 Italianju said:
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I think the Morris signing actually messed them up a bit. Not that it was a bad signing, but i dont think they expected to get a guy deserving of 30 minutes that late in the free agent period. I dont get how they play all 3 pgs or Gibson and Portis. One of the PG's and one of the PF/C's just cant play. Im so worried that Fiz is going to roll out 12 guys a game. The changing of the starting lineup and rotations last year was absurd.


he only played 10 guys last night..

i think frank will be out of the rotation, hate to say it but i think he plays spot minutes..

trier may be out as well, it sucks but i think for right now ellingtons spacing helps the team off the bench...
..  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 9:35 am : link
smith/payton
barrett/ellington
morris/knox
randle/portis
mitch/gibson
NY Post says Morris will probably be suspended for the first  
Del Shofner : 10/8/2019 11:11 am : link
regular season game. Yeesh.
Durant says knicks were not cool enough  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 11:20 am : link
said younger players dont view the knicks as winners like the warriors lakers and nets..
Only  
DanMetroMan : 10/8/2019 11:22 am : link
one game but Frank looked the same offensively as he always has.
What's Oakley's frigging problem?  
Beezer : 10/8/2019 11:25 am : link
Drinking?

Have to wonder.
RE: Durant says knicks were not cool enough  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/8/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14618605 nygiants16 said:
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said younger players dont view the knicks as winners like the warriors lakers and nets..


Yeah.. everyone views the Nets as perennial winners. And for the past however many years the Knicks and Lakers are pretty much same record wise.
RE: Only  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14618611 DanMetroMan said:
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one game but Frank looked the same offensively as he always has.


Frank is a ball mover and a defender, and people are confusing this with him being a point guard...

at the end of the game last night when waahington started pressuring the ball, he could not run the offense
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/8/2019 11:29 am : link
think it's fair to accept the Lakers are viewed in a much better light than the Knicks
RE: Durant says knicks were not cool enough  
Ira : 10/8/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14618605 nygiants16 said:
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said younger players dont view the knicks as winners like the warriors lakers and nets..


I wonder if it was Durant spurning the Knicks or the Knicks getting cold feet when Durant got his last injury. In any case, I think the Knicks dodged a bullet.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14618632 DanMetroMan said:
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think it's fair to accept the Lakers are viewed in a much better light than the Knicks


lakers have friends in the media to talk them up no matter what, knicks do not...
If you know the game of basketball  
GMEN46 : 10/8/2019 11:39 am : link
Then you noticed how important Frank was yesterday. The ball moves on offense, the defensive intensity is much better when he is on the floor. The stat line shows 3 of 10 but the confidence was there that hasnít been on the past. He also had a nice pull up jumper called off for a phantom ball screen. The strong plus/minus can no longer be considered a coincidence. He will play valauable minutes this season. Fiz seemed excited about his play after the game. The goal for frank this year should be 40-42 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3. Small improvements every year. Every other part of his game is great to watch. You need a guy like him on the floor.
Interesting stat last night  
GMEN46 : 10/8/2019 11:42 am : link
RJ Barrett with Elfrid Payton: 3 points on 1-5 from field, 0-3 from three, 1 assist RJ Barrett with Frank Ntilikina: 14 points on 5-8 from field, 2-3 from three, 2 assists

RE: If you know the game of basketball  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14618649 GMEN46 said:
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Then you noticed how important Frank was yesterday. The ball moves on offense, the defensive intensity is much better when he is on the floor. The stat line shows 3 of 10 but the confidence was there that hasnít been on the past. He also had a nice pull up jumper called off for a phantom ball screen. The strong plus/minus can no longer be considered a coincidence. He will play valauable minutes this season. Fiz seemed excited about his play after the game. The goal for frank this year should be 40-42 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3. Small improvements every year. Every other part of his game is great to watch. You need a guy like him on the floor.


no ome said his type of play is not important but he is not a point guard, he is a ball mover defender..

he can be what andre iquodola was for the warriors, defend the best player and hit a few 3s..

RE: RE: Durant says knicks were not cool enough  
TyreeHelmet : 10/8/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14618633 Ira said:
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In comment 14618605 nygiants16 said:


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said younger players dont view the knicks as winners like the warriors lakers and nets..



I wonder if it was Durant spurning the Knicks or the Knicks getting cold feet when Durant got his last injury. In any case, I think the Knicks dodged a bullet.


In the same interview he said he barely considered the Knicks at all. The Knicks didn't say no thanks to signing Kevin Durant...
RE: RE: I  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14618648 nygiants16 said:
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lakers have friends in the media to talk them up no matter what, knicks do not...


That's how Brandon Ingram and Lonzo are still considered top-flight young players despite all statistical evidence to the contrary.
BTW, I don't recognize Elfrid Payton without his hair  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/8/2019 12:47 pm : link
at all.
im assuming he is just putting the nets...  
Italianju : 10/8/2019 1:07 pm : link
there cause he plays there. I mean its been pretty long since they had their deep playoff runs. Not sure why he keeps talking about the knicks at all, although im guessing people keep asking him about them, either way he can just not talk about the knicks.

That said im sure he is right. And not the "cool" part, but the winning part. THese guys have the power to basically pick their team, why would they want to come to a perennial loser with a dick owner. Knicks need to start putting a descent team out there before a superstar is going to choose them.
RE: RE: RE: Durant says knicks were not cool enough  
PhiPsi125 : 10/8/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14618690 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14618633 Ira said:


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In comment 14618605 nygiants16 said:


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said younger players dont view the knicks as winners like the warriors lakers and nets..



I wonder if it was Durant spurning the Knicks or the Knicks getting cold feet when Durant got his last injury. In any case, I think the Knicks dodged a bullet.



In the same interview he said he barely considered the Knicks at all. The Knicks didn't say no thanks to signing Kevin Durant...


If he truly never considered the Knicks (which I don't believe) then it's the biggest troll job by an athlete ever. Way too much smoke for that to be even remotely true. KD's injury changed a lot.

This is his job now...promote Brooklyn which includes disparaging the Knicks. Not unexpected but also completely transparent. I read his quote:

"Fans expect players to join the Knicks because of their brand but players coming up and after me have watched the Knicks lose and they aren't cool anymore...unlike teams like the Warriors, Lakers or even Nets."

I mean, not entirely untrue. But an odd thing for a basketball player to say in the media. Lakers I get...they have shills everywhere. Warriors where a horrid franchise until about 5/6 years ago, but sure. Nets...LOL.

I personally hope KD comes back next year, 32 years old, off a devastating injury and is an absolute shell of himself. He talks a lot for a guy with such thick skin.
RE: If you know the game of basketball  
Greg from LI : 10/8/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14618649 GMEN46 said:
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The goal for frank this year should be 40-42 percent from the field and 36 percent from 3.


There is no way in hell he comes anywhere near that. He's utterly useless with the ball in his hands.
Said it before: This team looks different  
81_Great_Dane : 10/8/2019 1:16 pm : link
if Frank is actually good. Knox too, but especially Frank.
Comments from Last Night  
Pete44 : 10/8/2019 1:22 pm : link
RJ Barrett is going to struggle a bit like all rookies, but his competitive streak is something that can change the culture of this team. I loved his defensive intensity. Whichever PG, gets him involved is the one that should start and last night that was Frank. I hated the way Payton played.

Marcus Morris is a nice to have, but takes away from the younger players.

The Knicks are stronger than more athletic, they will be an excellent rebounding team.

Unfortunately, the Nets are viewed as winners as these guys grew up remembering the Kidd/Kenyon/Jefferson finals teams. I think that is what Durant is referencing.
In a year or two...  
manh george : 10/8/2019 2:07 pm : link
Barrett is going to be our first all-star.

He has an amazing body for a 19-year-old, and he will learn to shoot the 3. He is going to be an extremely difficult 2 for opponents to defend.
So...  
M.S. : 10/8/2019 2:09 pm : link

...what are we talking about?

25-30 wins?
Knicks  
Pete44 : 10/8/2019 2:43 pm : link
Will be in lottery and after last year's lottery, does not really matter where they end up.

I think they win about 35 games, because I think there are a lot of bad teams.
Thanks LT!!  
Vanzetti : 10/8/2019 3:00 pm : link
I love Morris saying Knicks will be respected.
no suspension for morris  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 5:44 pm : link
..
30 wins is reasonable, I'd say  
Greg from LI : 10/8/2019 6:04 pm : link
35 maybe at the top end if everything goes right.
RE: 30 wins is reasonable, I'd say  
Jon in NYC : 10/8/2019 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14619253 Greg from LI said:
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35 maybe at the top end if everything goes right.


That would double our win total. That's a big lift.
That's because they hit rock bottom last year  
Greg from LI : 10/8/2019 6:11 pm : link
They have a much better roster this year. Not a good roster, mind you, but much better than last year's.

I don't expect 35 wins, for that matter. Just saying I think it's their ceiling. 25-30 is much more likely.
RE: 30 wins is reasonable, I'd say  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14619253 Greg from LI said:
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35 maybe at the top end if everything goes right.


does 35 get you the final spot in the east?
Who do we want in the draft?  
giants_10_88 : 10/8/2019 8:40 pm : link
Can we get Nico Mannion or Theo Maledon with a late first?
KD is on a ETS team, we all know how that goes.  
GiantsUA : 10/8/2019 9:09 pm : link
It's a Yankees, Giants and Knicks town.

RE: KD is on a ETS team, we all know how that goes.  
Ron Johnson : 10/8/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14619406 GiantsUA said:
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It's a Yankees, Giants and Knicks town.

FiveThirtyEight...  
M.S. : 10/11/2019 7:31 am : link

...has got the Knick at 20 wins.

That 30th out of 30 teams.

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RE: FiveThirtyEight...  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/11/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14624027 M.S. said:
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...has got the Knick at 20 wins.

That 30th out of 30 teams. Link - ( New Window )

Iím sure thatís right by the metrics of it. It comes down to whether and how much Knox, RJ, Mitch, etc step up and elevate their games.
Looking good Titzdale  
ghost718 : 10/11/2019 8:45 pm : link
Lookin' real good
17-41 second q  
shyster : 10/11/2019 8:55 pm : link
30 point negative swing overall.

Crowd in WTF mood.

RE: 17-41 second q  
nygiants16 : 10/11/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14625427 shyster said:
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30 point negative swing overall.

Crowd in WTF mood.


wizards basically made every chuck 3 they took
Guys please help me.  
Carl in CT : 10/12/2019 11:11 am : link
I know there are stats to prove it last year but Jesus I just donít see how Payton can be our lead guard. DSJ and Frank both show me more (yes Frank). I watched both preseason games (minus DSJ) and I just donít see a guard in Payton thatís good on either end of the floor and Washington has not been playing with an All Star PG.
RE: Guys please help me.  
Mike in NJ : 10/12/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14625636 Carl in CT said:
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I know there are stats to prove it last year but Jesus I just donít see how Payton can be our lead guard. DSJ and Frank both show me more (yes Frank). I watched both preseason games (minus DSJ) and I just donít see a guard in Payton thatís good on either end of the floor and Washington has not been playing with an All Star PG.


Yeah I am already done watching Payton. 2 preseasons games in and I can already tell I am going to really dislike him and Bobby Portis.
People eed to realize there are 8 new players  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2019 11:29 am : link
trying to mesh together, the hardest position to play when playing with new guys is point guard..

it is going to take some time for the offense to come together..

even randle you ca see him hesitating when normally he is agressive...

amni saying payton is some great player? no but last night was one of those nights where everything went wrong for a team learning to play together..

Payton will never be a scorer, he is a passer and rebounder and i dont think his defense has been bad..
Teams will pack the paint  
nygiants16 : 10/12/2019 11:33 am : link
until morris and randle hit the open 3 consistently..

Where was Knox last night?  
Eli Wilson : 10/12/2019 1:01 pm : link
I don't remember hearing about an injury, although I'll admit to not following things that closely this week.
Knox has a minor calf issue  
shyster : 10/12/2019 1:57 pm : link
Or announcers seemed to think it was minor anyway.
.  
idiotsavant : 10/12/2019 2:34 pm : link
Nili PG
Iggy SG (wtf,shoots,moves w-o ball,d)
Barrett SF
Portis PF
Randle C

So overall, slightly more facilitating, more D, more height on perimeter both ways.
Mike  
XBRONX : 10/12/2019 3:29 pm : link
whats not to like about Bobby Portis?
Gerald  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 1:11 pm : link
Green done for the year for the Rockets, that's a legit loss. He's been solid for them.
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