wasted football seasons. In each season besides 2016, we were for all intent and purposes out of it by Halloween to mid November. This season is shaping up to the be the same way and after a while it just gets really frustrating. It is one thing to not make the playoffs, it is quite another to be non competitive basically for mid-November and December.
2013- 2-6 by Halloween
2014--3-5 by Nov 3 (that went all the way to 3-8)
2015-- 4-4 on November 1 (in fairness we really tanked in December that year)
2016-comeptitve (but very boring to watch--although I would take that over the other crap).
2017-1-7 by November 5
2018--2-7 by November 12
2019-2-3 most likely going to be 2-4 and its hard to see how we win without Shepard, Engram, and Barkley
I remember Wellington Mara used to say that a successful season is that the team was still in it for the last home game. By that barometer we have been an utter failure for 6 of 7 years.
Sorry just needed to rant because the ineptitude is becoming so frustrating.
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I agree he will get another year, after that, he is either gone or on very thin ice if he doesn't show significant improvement.
If we've gotten to this point with a coach and/or GM, we should move on. We can't sit around hoping that these guys all of a sudden get better at their jobs for no reason.
Well DG is 68, its true that expecting significant improvement on his own would be foolish.
Managing a group of people is a bit of an art. You need to use people for their strengths ans supplement their weaknesses. Perhaps the Giants should put some others around DG when it comes to FA and review these moves. More of a committee approach.
I certainly don't want a GM who feels like he is on the hot seat and making desperation moves. Plus, I think its worse to go back and churn the roster all over again. The odds of competing for a SB in the next 5 years is greater just moving forward (with DG at least), than rebooting again. I am not a big fan of DG as you know, but we are on the clock now with the SB and DJ picks.
Plus, I am being realistic. There is 0 chance DG is fired this year. And unless he completely loses the team, PS isn't getting fired this year either.
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DG would survive a PS firing if it happened in the next year?
Or is it more likely they both go?
I don't think he should, but I could live with Gettleman being around after Shurmur. Gettleman at least is good at identifying college talent.
Shurmur on the other hand is incompetent. If the Giants fired him today I'd be fine with it. He should absolutely not be back in 2020.
I agree Shurmur's seat should be a lot warmer than DGs right now, and I wouldn't mind moving on from this coaching staff either. Moving on from DG would be more problematic.
Shurmur shouldn't get the same pass, though. If the coaching chops aren't there and he's not helping this team get better, we should be looking elsewhere.
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- Reading this board makes it sound like Gettleman caused most of the issues and is making no good moves to fix the mess he was given.
- Gettleman is considered "backward thinking" and too tied to the organization.
- But around here - everyone else seems to be doing it right and the Giants aren't, including draft strategy and personnel moves.
- How many season does Gettleman get attributed to him that weren't his fault??
- The vitriol he takes he is way over the top in relation to the effort he's made to rebuild the roster.
- He's been disliked by some since Day 1 because of the way he was hired.
- He's mocked for a flippant comment about analytics
- And there are people here who whole heartedly believe Gettleman should be fired.
- Gettleman has been directly called incompetent and I don't think he's ever been called perfect.
You respond back that you didn't say "everybody" and I shouldn't intimate that.
Then I show you all the comments you posted intimating that very position on this thread alone.
Now you want me to agree that these opinions of yours are indeed the sentiments of an entire fan board?
Which is it man...do you think everybody hates DG or do you just hate everybody else that doesn't see it your way?
I never said everyone hates Gettleman which you seem to somehow think those quotes indicate (why, I have no fucking clue), but you have people here calling him incompetent regularly.
You really can't be denying that.
And you really shouldn't wonder why I've defended Gettleman. It is the same premise as with Eli or any other person that the board piles onto. It's mostly one-sided and somehow frowned upon to take the pro-Giants position.
That why the cute little "Gettlemanite" comment is made, while that same poster uses Jints Central with regularity. It is why when Gettleman took the job, one jackass referred to him as DSG repeatedly. It is why people are called the Eli Fan Club.
You seem to portray that you have a balanced and objective view - but you don't. It's just pessimistic which is the warped perspective of many here believing that is the only way to portray things.
It seems obvious now that the answer is both...
I think we are going to get killed, but it is the NFL after all and anything is possible!
I never said everyone hates Gettleman which you seem to somehow think those quotes indicate (why, I have no fucking clue), but you have people here calling him incompetent regularly.
You really can't be denying that.
And you really shouldn't wonder why I've defended Gettleman. It is the same premise as with Eli or any other person that the board piles onto. It's mostly one-sided and somehow frowned upon to take the pro-Giants position.
That why the cute little "Gettlemanite" comment is made, while that same poster uses Jints Central with regularity. It is why when Gettleman took the job, one jackass referred to him as DSG repeatedly. It is why people are called the Eli Fan Club.
You seem to portray that you have a balanced and objective view - but you don't. It's just pessimistic which is the warped perspective of many here believing that is the only way to portray things.
Oh wait, i’m in the “Eli Fan Club” and that’s without the Kool-Aid..
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Which is it man...do you think everybody hates DG or do you just hate everybody else that doesn't see it your way?
It seems obvious now that the answer is both...
Ironically - you keep trying to corner me into saying I'm talking about "everybody", but you consistently do the same thing. Trolling does make one hypocritical, though.
This is what we're reduced to...hoping the unlikely occurs.
That's what happens when organizational decisions are made based on hoping the unlikely occurs.
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Which is it man...do you think everybody hates DG or do you just hate everybody else that doesn't see it your way?
It seems obvious now that the answer is both...
Ironically - you keep trying to corner me into saying I'm talking about "everybody", but you consistently do the same thing. Trolling does make one hypocritical, though.
FMiC, the problem you have is that you take things that people say, twist them into a different context, make them more extreme than they were intended. Then you attack that twisted more extreme position with vengeance, often foul language, and filled with hyperbole.
Look at arc, he can see that there are valid criticisms of DG, PS and ownership. He may have a more forgiving perspective than some others, but he sees and generally agrees with the criticism. A reaction that is 180 degrees different from yours.
What's more is that you will stake out a position, taking such a hard stance against anybody who disagrees with you in the slightest, and is it any wonder that people describe you position with words like "everyone spews vitriol", or "they say it all the time", etc... Then you will claim innocence because you didn't use a specific word, when the force of your assertions belies you true position.
You are doing it now with Googs, you did it with me regarding the referees, and you do it all the time.
It forces more polarization in discussions than there should be.
Googs twists my words to say "everyone" hates Gettleman. You twisted my words to say that I claimed the referees cost us the game.
So it is likely we both use the same tactic.
The only way to avoid not generalizing positions to apply them to the collective is to single people out. I'm sure that would go over well. There is no consensus on BBI other than Ereck Flowers sucking
Googs twists my words to say "everyone" hates Gettleman. You twisted my words to say that I claimed the referees cost us the game.
So it is likely we both use the same tactic.
The only way to avoid not generalizing positions to apply them to the collective is to single people out. I'm sure that would go over well. There is no consensus on BBI other than Ereck Flowers sucking
Let me put it this way...
You fight with a lot of posters... Alot...
I can speak for myself, I don't interact with other posters the way I interact with you, and you certainly initiated it.
From what I see, it seems to be the same for Googs, and a number of other posters with whom you regularly fight.
You reap what you sow.
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Which is it man...do you think everybody hates DG or do you just hate everybody else that doesn't see it your way?
It seems obvious now that the answer is both...
Ironically - you keep trying to corner me into saying I'm talking about "everybody", but you consistently do the same thing. Trolling does make one hypocritical, though.
Childish reply. So let me respond in kind...
I know you are but what am I?
The only way to avoid not generalizing positions to apply them to the collective is to single people out. I'm sure that would go over well.
No, there is another way...just don’t do it