“Matt Lauer’s conduct was appalling, horrific and reprehensible, as we said at the time,” NBC News said in a statement. “That’s why he was fired within 24 hours of us first learning of the complaint. Our hearts break again for our colleague.”
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He goes on to say in the nearly 1,400-word piece that the alleged encounter in Sochi was “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”
“There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner,” Lauer wrote. “At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.”
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He goes on to say in the nearly 1,400-word piece that the alleged encounter in Sochi was “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”
“There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner,” Lauer wrote. “At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.” Link - ( New Window )
I guess he has nothing to lose at this point, but that’s a pretty aggressive statement.
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“In a new book, it is alleged that an extramarital, but consensual, sexual encounter I have previously admitted having, was in fact an assault,” Lauer wrote in an “open letter” sent through his lawyer Libby Locke. “It is categorically false, ignores the facts, and defies common sense.”
He goes on to say in the nearly 1,400-word piece that the alleged encounter in Sochi was “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”
“There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner,” Lauer wrote. “At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.” Link - ( New Window )
I guess he has nothing to lose at this point, but that’s a pretty aggressive statement.
Who knows the truth but the fact they began a relationship after this happened seemingly bolsters his "defense". Save me people saying this is "common". I'm just saying to most people it makes his story seem more plausible.
And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?
Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused
you must mean CNN
bad person, real dirtbag, reprehensible behavior....and not a rapist.
that's a controversial take these days.
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you must mean CNN
pretty sure he means Fox News withh all Roger Ailes shit that went down.
And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?
Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused
The DOD had some big push for sexual assault training in 2013. I remember sitting on the ship in a training classroom that was led by a LT that was full of some good common sense stuff for the many limited experience kids in there. Apparently it wasn't woke enough and we had a retraining the next week that pretty much expected you to sign release forms. The Chappelle skit came to mind.
Future regret shouldn't place another person in jeopardy
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you must mean CNN
seems like all of them have some shit to them
Well, married anyhow. Apparently not out of the dating pool.
If they had just stuck it in the other hole, no harm/no foul.
At least that's the way the Lauer accuser makes it sound.
And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?
Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused
100%.. Between your comment, and Csonka's, it's clear the pendulum has swung the other way completely. It's so bad that now a simple false or exaggerated accusation can literally ruin you as a man. Social media kills people and doesn't care if they were wrong after the fact.
Consensual sex 5 years ago and now you want a re-do? Just go to social media, where every social justice warrior and internet white knight will believe you without a second consideration for the feelings of the man who may ACTUALLY have a fair defense.
We can sit here and judge Lauer as a dirtbag for cheating on his wife yet again, and that's fair. He IS.
However, if I were single or even married as I am and in a social environment where a woman was interested in me, I'd all but RUN in the other direction.
It gets better. Check out the link before, and count how many times you roll your eyes.
Women being punished by men for #metoo - ( New Window )
Unreal. Dude is going to have to move to get employed in almost anything now. Can't blame the eight year old, she's eight!
Of course - he still has millions left and I doubt he has any trouble finding dates.
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clearly crossed lines, but you have to ask yourself why an accusation like this gets levied in a book.
And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?
Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused
100%.. Between your comment, and Csonka's, it's clear the pendulum has swung the other way completely. It's so bad that now a simple false or exaggerated accusation can literally ruin you as a man. Social media kills people and doesn't care if they were wrong after the fact.
Consensual sex 5 years ago and now you want a re-do? Just go to social media, where every social justice warrior and internet white knight will believe you without a second consideration for the feelings of the man who may ACTUALLY have a fair defense.
We can sit here and judge Lauer as a dirtbag for cheating on his wife yet again, and that's fair. He IS.
However, if I were single or even married as I am and in a social environment where a woman was interested in me, I'd all but RUN in the other direction.
It gets better. Check out the link before, and count how many times you roll your eyes.
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They are not being punished, but their newfound ability to crush a company overnight has burdened them with very high opportunity costs, so they aren't worth shit in the workplace.
A safe company would not promote or hire anyone with that much risk. Its pretty simple
According to the Today Show this morning, NBC has already made a "7-figure" settlement.
Normally I believe the woman but some troubling facts:
-She went back to his hotel room twice.
-The alleged rape occurred during the second visit
-After the alleged rape Lauer asked her if she enjoyed it and she said "yes".
-They had sex multiple times after that initial encounter.
She claimed she felt she had to comply with Lauer's on-going sexual advances because he had power over her (meaning he could get her fired). But would a woman really continue to have sex with a man who raped her just to keep her job?
Given these facts I would guess that if this was a criminal case Lauer would not have been charged.
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you must mean CNN
seems like all of them have some shit to them
Commonality: Men.
And since the accusation is without merit, she should never have come out with it.
People who file false accusations should have to bear a punishment equal to that would have been given to the accused. There's a horrendous imbalance of power that needs to be corrected.
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are exactly why so many women never come out about these things...
And since the accusation is without merit, she should never have come out with it.
People who file false accusations should have to bear a punishment equal to that would have been given to the accused. There's a horrendous imbalance of power that needs to be corrected.
And you know the accusation is without merit...how?
And that is so far over the line wrong that we should be embarrassed as a society that this is where we have landed. It's just too dangerous.
I mean that is what this boils down to. Let's take the story at face value. The woman went to Lauer's apartment. He had anal sex with her. She didn't resist. Didn't ask him to stop. Didn't even stop having sex with him later on. But afterwards, she felt assaulted. You really can't base accusations like this off of regret and shame
Sexual assault is meant to capture an unwanted sexual advance that was done against another's will. The victim has a responsibility to make it clear she didn't want to have sex. She has a responsibility to make the accused aware of her mindset. She probably has a responsibility to go to the authorities.
Having this come out in the form of a book, places the entire accusation in question, not to mention the other aspects.
He's just being accused on a very flimsy premise, regardless of what he's done otherwise.
And that is so far over the line wrong that we should be embarrassed as a society that this is where we have landed. It's just too dangerous.
That's not true. The justice system is the courts, not social media.
you decide.. looks like a fun romp at the very least..
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but too much of society has wrongly twisted our justice system to where the accused is guilty until proven innocent.
And that is so far over the line wrong that we should be embarrassed as a society that this is where we have landed. It's just too dangerous.
That's not true. The justice system is the courts, not social media.
Technically, yes. But don't underestimate the court of public opinion. It's a real force.
As regarding fmic's disturbing "flip me over" comment.
If the dude is 6' 195 or 200lbs and the female is 5'9" 120lbs, yes, if dude flips her "and rides her hard", in your words, yes, that very well might be rape, if she doesn't clearly indicate sex, agree to it. Duh.
If it's you, getting flipped, if your stronger and you could easily throw her off, ok, not rape. That example was a little disturbing and vulgar coming from an adult man.
And you think my comment was disturbing??
A woman who does not indicate she's not willing to have sex and isn't forced against her will isn't raped. There has to be some indication she doesn't want to have sex for that to be the case. You can't go back days later (months or years) and say that you didn't want to have sex so it is an assault.
And if there is one troubling aspect of the MeToo movement, it is that.
Lauer can be a scumbag and also not a rapist.
In the flip example a man's experience would typically be very different from a woman's .
And nobodies a mind reader, each person is different, so, especially if there is a physical or financial or career power imbalance than the onus to get an honest non pressured verbal is greater, no?
I mean, maybe it's great, but you really don't know . Regardless of prior success in such activities .
In the 'flip' thing it's definitely not equal both ways.