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NFT: Matt Lauer accused of 2014 rape

DanMetroMan : 10/9/2019 9:59 am
“Matt Lauer’s conduct was appalling, horrific and reprehensible, as we said at the time,” NBC News said in a statement. “That’s why he was fired within 24 hours of us first learning of the complaint. Our hearts break again for our colleague.”


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NBC sat on and tried to squelch the Farrow story...  
Dunedin81 : 10/9/2019 10:01 am : link
they deserve every bit of blowback they get for this.
Jesus Christ.  
Beezer : 10/9/2019 10:11 am : link

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and how Weinstein hired Black Cube, an investigative firm that employs ex-Mossad officers, to stop him.
Lauer responds  
DanMetroMan : 10/9/2019 10:27 am : link
“In a new book, it is alleged that an extramarital, but consensual, sexual encounter I have previously admitted having, was in fact an assault,” Lauer wrote in an “open letter” sent through his lawyer Libby Locke. “It is categorically false, ignores the facts, and defies common sense.”

He goes on to say in the nearly 1,400-word piece that the alleged encounter in Sochi was “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”

“There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner,” Lauer wrote. “At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.”
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RE: Lauer responds  
TyreeHelmet : 10/9/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14619703 DanMetroMan said:
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“In a new book, it is alleged that an extramarital, but consensual, sexual encounter I have previously admitted having, was in fact an assault,” Lauer wrote in an “open letter” sent through his lawyer Libby Locke. “It is categorically false, ignores the facts, and defies common sense.”

He goes on to say in the nearly 1,400-word piece that the alleged encounter in Sochi was “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”

“There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner,” Lauer wrote. “At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.” Link - ( New Window )


I guess he has nothing to lose at this point, but that’s a pretty aggressive statement.
F Matt Lauer  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/9/2019 10:38 am : link
I detest that person.
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DanMetroMan : 10/9/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14619712 TyreeHelmet said:
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“In a new book, it is alleged that an extramarital, but consensual, sexual encounter I have previously admitted having, was in fact an assault,” Lauer wrote in an “open letter” sent through his lawyer Libby Locke. “It is categorically false, ignores the facts, and defies common sense.”

He goes on to say in the nearly 1,400-word piece that the alleged encounter in Sochi was “the first of many sexual encounters between us over the next several months.”

“There was absolutely nothing aggressive about that encounter. Brooke did not do or say anything to object. She certainly did not cry. She was a fully enthusiastic and willing partner,” Lauer wrote. “At no time did she behave in a way that made it appear she was incapable of consent. She seemed to know exactly what she wanted to do. The only concern she expressed was that someone might see her leaving my room. She embraced me at the door as she left.” Link - ( New Window )



I guess he has nothing to lose at this point, but that’s a pretty aggressive statement.


Who knows the truth but the fact they began a relationship after this happened seemingly bolsters his "defense". Save me people saying this is "common". I'm just saying to most people it makes his story seem more plausible.
FOX News isn't the only fucked up place to work huh.  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/9/2019 10:55 am : link
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Impossible to defend yourself against this  
Csonka : 10/9/2019 10:56 am : link
If accused, you're assumed guilty.
Lauer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2019 10:59 am : link
clearly crossed lines, but you have to ask yourself why an accusation like this gets levied in a book.

And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?

Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused
RE: FOX News isn't the only fucked up place to work huh.  
gtt350 : 10/9/2019 11:01 am : link
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you must mean CNN
somehow it'll be the  
bigbluehoya : 10/9/2019 11:02 am : link
social media evil take of the day, but I suspect the real truth probably falls in area of...

bad person, real dirtbag, reprehensible behavior....and not a rapist.

that's a controversial take these days.
RE: RE: FOX News isn't the only fucked up place to work huh.  
Jints in Carolina : 10/9/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14619755 gtt350 said:
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you must mean CNN


pretty sure he means Fox News withh all Roger Ailes shit that went down.
RE: Lauer..  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/9/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14619750 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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clearly crossed lines, but you have to ask yourself why an accusation like this gets levied in a book.

And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?

Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused


The DOD had some big push for sexual assault training in 2013. I remember sitting on the ship in a training classroom that was led by a LT that was full of some good common sense stuff for the many limited experience kids in there. Apparently it wasn't woke enough and we had a retraining the next week that pretty much expected you to sign release forms. The Chappelle skit came to mind.
It has..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2019 11:15 am : link
become a slippery slope to validate accusations made of a person's mental makeup after the fact. The case with Aziz Azzari where he made a girl feel uncomfortable but who never verbalized being uncomfortable is a prime example.

Future regret shouldn't place another person in jeopardy
Fatman.....the most interesting part is it is the same people  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/9/2019 11:17 am : link
that consider themselves feminists, but than engage in this clear infantilization of women.
RE: RE: FOX News isn't the only fucked up place to work huh.  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/9/2019 11:20 am : link
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you must mean CNN


seems like all of them have some shit to them
I'm so glad I'm married  
Moondawg : 10/9/2019 11:24 am : link
and out of the dating pool.
Technically..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2019 11:25 am : link
being married didn't stop Lauer:)
Moondawg  
fkap : 10/9/2019 11:27 am : link
So was Lauer.

Well, married anyhow. Apparently not out of the dating pool.
You don't have to believe this specific allegation...  
Dunedin81 : 10/9/2019 11:28 am : link
to believe that Matt Lauer's predatory behavior was at least part of the reason NBC sat on/spiked the Weinstein story. The magnitude of this is just mind-boggling. One of the most powerful media companies in the world sat on the story of the decade because it implicated some of their heavy hitters.
Isn't anal  
fkap : 10/9/2019 11:31 am : link
what got Tyson in trouble?

If they had just stuck it in the other hole, no harm/no foul.
At least that's the way the Lauer accuser makes it sound.
while you should always  
fkap : 10/9/2019 11:37 am : link
be hesitant to take advice from BBI, put Blast Her In The Butt at the top of the ignore list.
RE: Impossible to defend yourself against this  
Beer Man : 10/9/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14619743 Csonka said:
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If accused, you're assumed guilty.
Not really; and I am not defending Matt Lauer, nor am I fan. I have no way of knowing what happened that night, or who is lying. But in Matt's favor, it is a she said / he said case with no witnesses, she went to his hotel room voluntarily, and from the sounds of it they continued a relationship afterwards.
RE: Lauer..  
islander1 : 10/9/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14619750 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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clearly crossed lines, but you have to ask yourself why an accusation like this gets levied in a book.

And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?

Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused


100%.. Between your comment, and Csonka's, it's clear the pendulum has swung the other way completely. It's so bad that now a simple false or exaggerated accusation can literally ruin you as a man. Social media kills people and doesn't care if they were wrong after the fact.

Consensual sex 5 years ago and now you want a re-do? Just go to social media, where every social justice warrior and internet white knight will believe you without a second consideration for the feelings of the man who may ACTUALLY have a fair defense.

We can sit here and judge Lauer as a dirtbag for cheating on his wife yet again, and that's fair. He IS.

However, if I were single or even married as I am and in a social environment where a woman was interested in me, I'd all but RUN in the other direction.

It gets better. Check out the link before, and count how many times you roll your eyes.


Women being punished by men for #metoo - ( New Window )
I just read something on askreddit about a guy that pretty much  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/9/2019 11:43 am : link
had his career ruined by an 8 year old. His girlfriend's son was abused by his cousin, but when asked by the police he panicked and told them it was him. Week later the true story was found out. His job told him not to come back because it was all over social media and the damage was done and they had to do what was in the best interest of the business. So fucked up.
Perhaps the guy with a remote close switch for his door...  
Dunedin81 : 10/9/2019 11:44 am : link
shouldn't be the poster-child for the excesses of MeToo
RE: I just read something on askreddit about a guy that pretty much  
islander1 : 10/9/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14619832 Zeke's Alibi said:
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had his career ruined by an 8 year old. His girlfriend's son was abused by his cousin, but when asked by the police he panicked and told them it was him. Week later the true story was found out. His job told him not to come back because it was all over social media and the damage was done and they had to do what was in the best interest of the business. So fucked up.


Unreal. Dude is going to have to move to get employed in almost anything now. Can't blame the eight year old, she's eight!
IMO Lauer's best defense  
Bubba : 10/9/2019 12:01 pm : link
is the fact my 93 year mother could probably kick his ass. Why didn't she?
Back dooring a work buddy  
averagejoe : 10/9/2019 12:46 pm : link
Poor Matt - when you tomcat around there is no telling what your mistresses will say or do. He is reaping what he has sown.

Of course - he still has millions left and I doubt he has any trouble finding dates.
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WideRight : 10/9/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14619827 islander1 said:
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clearly crossed lines, but you have to ask yourself why an accusation like this gets levied in a book.

And we have really pushed the definition of what is sexual assault. If a woman flips me over and starts riding me hard and I didn't say "Don't" or I don't try to stop her, how is this now considered sexual assault?

Regret or shame for doing an action shouldn't amount to a crime for the person accused



100%.. Between your comment, and Csonka's, it's clear the pendulum has swung the other way completely. It's so bad that now a simple false or exaggerated accusation can literally ruin you as a man. Social media kills people and doesn't care if they were wrong after the fact.

Consensual sex 5 years ago and now you want a re-do? Just go to social media, where every social justice warrior and internet white knight will believe you without a second consideration for the feelings of the man who may ACTUALLY have a fair defense.

We can sit here and judge Lauer as a dirtbag for cheating on his wife yet again, and that's fair. He IS.

However, if I were single or even married as I am and in a social environment where a woman was interested in me, I'd all but RUN in the other direction.

It gets better. Check out the link before, and count how many times you roll your eyes.
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They are not being punished, but their newfound ability to crush a company overnight has burdened them with very high opportunity costs, so they aren't worth shit in the workplace.

A safe company would not promote or hire anyone with that much risk. Its pretty simple
I wonder how much $$ she wants  
PatersonPlank : 10/9/2019 12:52 pm : link
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RE: I wonder how much $$ she wants  
Jim in Tampa : 10/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
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According to the Today Show this morning, NBC has already made a "7-figure" settlement.

Normally I believe the woman but some troubling facts:

-She went back to his hotel room twice.

-The alleged rape occurred during the second visit

-After the alleged rape Lauer asked her if she enjoyed it and she said "yes".

-They had sex multiple times after that initial encounter.

She claimed she felt she had to comply with Lauer's on-going sexual advances because he had power over her (meaning he could get her fired). But would a woman really continue to have sex with a man who raped her just to keep her job?

Given these facts I would guess that if this was a criminal case Lauer would not have been charged.
Some of the responses...  
Chris in Philly : 10/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
are exactly why so many women never come out about these things...
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BillKo : 10/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14619785 GMAN4LIFE said:
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you must mean CNN



seems like all of them have some shit to them


Commonality: Men.
Met him at  
GMAN56 : 10/9/2019 2:03 pm : link
my second job and he was a nice guy. This was last year and he was with his kids, so for his kids sake I had him go to an area that nobody would really see him and then I was in the elevator alone with him. Had me thinking...did he really do what he was accused of? You just never know what someone really does in their private life.
RE: Some of the responses...  
WideRight : 10/9/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14620046 Chris in Philly said:
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are exactly why so many women never come out about these things...


And since the accusation is without merit, she should never have come out with it.

People who file false accusations should have to bear a punishment equal to that would have been given to the accused. There's a horrendous imbalance of power that needs to be corrected.
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Chris in Philly : 10/9/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14620121 WideRight said:
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are exactly why so many women never come out about these things...



And since the accusation is without merit, she should never have come out with it.

People who file false accusations should have to bear a punishment equal to that would have been given to the accused. There's a horrendous imbalance of power that needs to be corrected.


And you know the accusation is without merit...how?
surprised this hasn't come up  
Mattman : 10/9/2019 2:55 pm : link
I don't know if Lauer did it or not...  
bw in dc : 10/9/2019 3:13 pm : link
but too much of society has wrongly twisted our justice system to where the accused is guilty until proven innocent.

And that is so far over the line wrong that we should be embarrassed as a society that this is where we have landed. It's just too dangerous.
Again...  
Dunedin81 : 10/9/2019 3:23 pm : link
There are issues with some of the MeToo allegations, without question. Aziz Ansari's, for example, involved accusations that even if true were boorish at worst, and maybe not even that. But Lauer has been accused by 10+ women of sexual misconduct, harassment and worse, and has admitted to some of it. He is not the exemplar for a man wronged by MeToo.
Is an accusation..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2019 3:25 pm : link
with merit if only one side feels wronged and never intimated that at the time?

I mean that is what this boils down to. Let's take the story at face value. The woman went to Lauer's apartment. He had anal sex with her. She didn't resist. Didn't ask him to stop. Didn't even stop having sex with him later on. But afterwards, she felt assaulted. You really can't base accusations like this off of regret and shame

Sexual assault is meant to capture an unwanted sexual advance that was done against another's will. The victim has a responsibility to make it clear she didn't want to have sex. She has a responsibility to make the accused aware of her mindset. She probably has a responsibility to go to the authorities.

Having this come out in the form of a book, places the entire accusation in question, not to mention the other aspects.
And Lauer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2019 3:26 pm : link
isn't wronged by MeToo.

He's just being accused on a very flimsy premise, regardless of what he's done otherwise.
RE: I don't know if Lauer did it or not...  
Mr. Bungle : 10/9/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14620169 bw in dc said:
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but too much of society has wrongly twisted our justice system to where the accused is guilty until proven innocent.

And that is so far over the line wrong that we should be embarrassed as a society that this is where we have landed. It's just too dangerous.

That's not true. The justice system is the courts, not social media.
was it  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 3:39 pm : link
worth it??

you decide.. looks like a fun romp at the very least..

RE: RE: I don't know if Lauer did it or not...  
bw in dc : 10/9/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14620191 Mr. Bungle said:
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but too much of society has wrongly twisted our justice system to where the accused is guilty until proven innocent.

And that is so far over the line wrong that we should be embarrassed as a society that this is where we have landed. It's just too dangerous.


That's not true. The justice system is the courts, not social media.


Technically, yes. But don't underestimate the court of public opinion. It's a real force.
A lot of MeToo didn't involve accusations of violent rape...  
Dunedin81 : 10/9/2019 4:15 pm : link
it involved accusations of powerful men leveraging their positions to get sexual gratification from people who were either expressly unwilling or who felt they had no choice but to submit because their careers depended on it. Is the latter criminal sexual assault? Not usually. But that doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean that the entities who cut ties with these men were wrong to do so.
Dune +1 as usual  
idiotsavant : 10/9/2019 5:07 pm : link
What he said. Lauers no poster boy for fairness. Guys a dirtbag.

As regarding fmic's disturbing "flip me over" comment.

If the dude is 6' 195 or 200lbs and the female is 5'9" 120lbs, yes, if dude flips her "and rides her hard", in your words, yes, that very well might be rape, if she doesn't clearly indicate sex, agree to it. Duh.

If it's you, getting flipped, if your stronger and you could easily throw her off, ok, not rape. That example was a little disturbing and vulgar coming from an adult man.
Wait..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2019 5:24 pm : link
are you saying that rape comes down to strength?? So a female bodybuilder couldn't ne raped if she could fling off her attacker?

And you think my comment was disturbing??

A woman who does not indicate she's not willing to have sex and isn't forced against her will isn't raped. There has to be some indication she doesn't want to have sex for that to be the case. You can't go back days later (months or years) and say that you didn't want to have sex so it is an assault.

And if there is one troubling aspect of the MeToo movement, it is that.

Lauer can be a scumbag and also not a rapist.
FMIC.....this is exactly what the second Navy training adressed  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/9/2019 5:29 pm : link
If you don't ask for consent the entire way through its Sexual Assault. Of course you won't get to that point because 90 percent of women will think you are a giant pussy who is ruining the moment.
True about lauer, fmic  
idiotsavant : 10/9/2019 6:27 pm : link
But you seemed to be saying in the 'flip' thing that it's the same for big dudes as it is for little ladies and it just isn't.

In the flip example a man's experience would typically be very different from a woman's .

And nobodies a mind reader, each person is different, so, especially if there is a physical or financial or career power imbalance than the onus to get an honest non pressured verbal is greater, no?

I mean, maybe it's great, but you really don't know . Regardless of prior success in such activities .

In the 'flip' thing it's definitely not equal both ways.

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