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Best set of LBs on a team....

No Where Man : 10/9/2019 1:31 pm
1985 Bears: Mike Singletary, Otis Wilson, Wilbur Marshall, Jim Morrissey

1986 Giants: LT, Carson, Banks, Reasons, Pepper, Andy Headen, Byron Hunt

1987 Saints: Pat Swilling, Vaughan Johnson, Sam Mills, Ricky Jackson


Which group was the best and why?
LT and anyone  
giants#1 : 10/9/2019 1:33 pm : link
why? LT
70s Steelers  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 1:37 pm : link
may have been the best ever:

Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Andy Russell

Andy Russell was the worst of this group and he was a 7-time pro bowler.
RE: 70s Steelers  
x meadowlander : 10/9/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14620026 AndyMilligan said:
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may have been the best ever:

Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Andy Russell

Andy Russell was the worst of this group and he was a 7-time pro bowler.

It it was a 3-4, it was Banks/Carson/LT and that wins running away from Pittsburgh.

Speaking of - who was better in that ILB spot, Brian Kelley, Gary Reasons or Steve DeOssie?
Forgot to mention the Steelers, how about....  
No Where Man : 10/9/2019 1:39 pm : link
1977 Broncos: Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Joe Rizzo, Bob Swenson
I'll take January 87' Giant set, btw...  
x meadowlander : 10/9/2019 1:41 pm : link
...this featured LT in his prime, and Carl Banks outplayed him in those playoff games. Banks was on fire, standing up double-teams and blowing up EVERYTHING run his way.

RE: RE: 70s Steelers  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14620032 x meadowlander said:
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In comment 14620026 AndyMilligan said:


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may have been the best ever:

Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Andy Russell

Andy Russell was the worst of this group and he was a 7-time pro bowler.


It it was a 3-4, it was Banks/Carson/LT and that wins running away from Pittsburgh.

Speaking of - who was better in that ILB spot, Brian Kelley, Gary Reasons or Steve DeOssie?


It's close for sure. Giants don't win that one going away. Lambert is arguably the best MLB ever. Ham was phenomenal.
4-3  
Big Blue '56 : 10/9/2019 1:42 pm : link
Ray Nitschke, flanked by Dave Robinson and Leroy Caffey. They could do it all, run or past defense they were the best I ever saw
pass defense, that is  
Big Blue '56 : 10/9/2019 1:43 pm : link
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of course it  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 1:43 pm : link
is hard to say how great the Pitt LBs were because their DL was arguably the greatest of all time and their Secondary is in the conversation for best of all time.
Seems like a different game  
idiotsavant : 10/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
Especially with regards to olb, Sam what have you .

Due to 198Os offense left tackle was 285lbs and today's is 315lbs.

So an outside lb being 245 had a fighting chance once, or if the tackle grabbed on to him. At the same time the ball in the passing game probably gets out faster.

Not that we couldn't use some if those guys today , sure we could , but the roles might be different.

It seems like half the lbs need to be much bigger and half much quicker or faster , a divergence.
Ravens had a set of linebackers in 2003  
jlukes : 10/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
Boulware and Thomas on the outside

Lewis and Hartwell on the inside

and then in 2004 Boulware was gone and they added Terrell Suggs
Here's why I pick the Giants LBs  
No Where Man : 10/9/2019 1:53 pm : link
LT = NFL HOFer
Carson = NFL HOFer
Banks = 2 time Pro Bowler
Pepper = 2 time Pro Bowler
Reasons = College Football HOFer
RE: Here's why I pick the Giants LBs  
GiantEgo : 10/9/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14620053 No Where Man said:
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LT = NFL HOFer
Carson = NFL HOFer
Banks = 2 time Pro Bowler
Pepper = 2 time Pro Bowler
Reasons = College Football HOFer


Those were the days... plus Brian Kelly. Brad Van Pelt A guy like Byron Hunt had trouble getting playing time he would have been the best LB on most other teams.
In the early '80s, the Giants had LT, Carson and Van Pelt  
Ira : 10/9/2019 2:10 pm : link
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The 1986 Giants  
arniefez : 10/9/2019 2:11 pm : link
were the best group of LBs in history. Late 60's Chiefs were as good as the 70 Steelers.
I take the Giants over any of those other great groups  
Greg from LI : 10/9/2019 2:14 pm : link
Because they had Lawrence Taylor, and he was the greatest there ever was.
LT's group  
HoustonGiant : 10/9/2019 2:16 pm : link
but LT's group is a close second, third and fourth
Good calls on the 1960's Packers and Chiefs.....  
No Where Man : 10/9/2019 2:22 pm : link
Chiefs had Willie Lanier, Bobby Bell, and Jim Lynch.
Hard to beat the Giants with the greatest defensive player that ever  
map7711 : 10/9/2019 2:26 pm : link
Played let alone LBer. Then you throw in another HOFer and then throw in Banks and itís pretty hard to beat.
The Giants LBs far and away...  
GiantGolfer : 10/9/2019 2:32 pm : link
Of course the troll says the Steelers....Shocking.
RE: Ravens had a set of linebackers in 2003  
crackerjack465 : 10/9/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14620047 jlukes said:
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Boulware and Thomas on the outside

Lewis and Hartwell on the inside

and then in 2004 Boulware was gone and they added Terrell Suggs


Jaimie Sharper too.

Saints Dome Patrol
Rickey Jackson (6 time Pro-bowler)
Sam Mills (5 time Pro-bowler)
Vaughan Johnson (4 timer)
Pat Swilling (5 timer)

only time all 4 members of a LB corp made the pro-bowl together.

Interesting, didn't know that about the Saints LBs.....  
No Where Man : 10/9/2019 2:55 pm : link
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RE: The Giants LBs far and away...  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14620105 GiantGolfer said:
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Of course the troll says the Steelers....Shocking.

Seriously dude? You think, saying the Steelers linebackers from the 70s were amazing is trolling. I didn't even say they were better. If you are so thin-skinned about the Giants you might need to quit the internet, or find some better meds. And you continue to not understand what trolling is. You are in fact trolling me. Get off my jock or I will need to complain about your loutish behavior.
RE: RE: The Giants LBs far and away...  
GiantGolfer : 10/9/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14620170 AndyMilligan said:
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In comment 14620105 GiantGolfer said:


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Of course the troll says the Steelers....Shocking.


Seriously dude? You think, saying the Steelers linebackers from the 70s were amazing is trolling. I didn't even say they were better. If you are so thin-skinned about the Giants you might need to quit the internet, or find some better meds. And you continue to not understand what trolling is. You are in fact trolling me. Get off my jock or I will need to complain about your loutish behavior.


Youíre right, youíre not a troll. Youíre actually a dupe. My mistake. Be a man and use your original handle.

Oh thatís right, itís already been banned from BBI. Oops!
RE: RE: Ravens had a set of linebackers in 2003  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14620108 crackerjack465 said:
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In comment 14620047 jlukes said:


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Boulware and Thomas on the outside

Lewis and Hartwell on the inside

and then in 2004 Boulware was gone and they added Terrell Suggs



Jaimie Sharper too.

Saints Dome Patrol
Rickey Jackson (6 time Pro-bowler)
Sam Mills (5 time Pro-bowler)
Vaughan Johnson (4 timer)
Pat Swilling (5 timer)

only time all 4 members of a LB corp made the pro-bowl together.


Steelers were better than the Saints guys.
In 1975 they were all All-Pro.

Lambert HOF, 8x All-Pro, 9x Pro Bowl
Ham HOF 8x All-Pro, 8x Pro Bowl
Russell 4x All-Pro 7x Pro Bowl
I'm a NYG fan, but Jack Ham was the best LB I ever saw play  
No Where Man : 10/9/2019 3:57 pm : link
Pass Defense. Maybe it was mostly zone, but he was outstanding.
Bears unit was overrated...  
bw in dc : 10/9/2019 4:15 pm : link
because they didn't stay together very long. And only Singletary is in the HoF. And, frankly, I think he's a bit overrated.

Since Taylor is in the conversation of the greatest football player who ever lived that tips the scale to NYG. But the Steelers certainly have a good case with all of their rings...

I didn't see them, but my dad swears by those Chiefs LBs in the laste 60s/early 70s with Lanier, Bell, and Lynch.
LT  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/9/2019 4:35 pm : link
With Carson Van Pelt and Brian Kelly was just as good IMO as some of the later groups w LT Van Pelt was a 5 time Pro Bowler.
No self respecting NYG fan should ever think  
Pep22 : 10/9/2019 4:55 pm : link
that a LB crew that didn't include LT was the best
RE: No self respecting NYG fan should ever think  
GiantGolfer : 10/9/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14620274 Pep22 said:
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that a LB crew that didn't include LT was the best


Bingo.
RE: No self respecting NYG fan should ever think  
AndyMilligan : 10/9/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14620274 Pep22 said:
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that a LB crew that didn't include LT was the best

So we have to check our brains and our objectivity because we root for the Giants? No thanks.
1986 GMEN  
giantstock : 10/10/2019 12:39 am : link
Lawrence Taylor changed the game. You add Carson and how well Banks was playing-- that was the best LB core ever.
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