an odd missed throw that people go on and on about. He should have also had a TD on a 4th and long, thanks Shep!
Are you talking about the bad throw by Jones that Shep almost made an insane catch with 2 feet down on? Pretty stupid play to bring up to justify something in Jones' favor and against Shep.
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an odd missed throw that people go on and on about. He should have also had a TD on a 4th and long, thanks Shep!
Are you talking about the bad throw by Jones that Shep almost made an insane catch with 2 feet down on? Pretty stupid play to bring up to justify something in Jones' favor and against Shep.
No, I'm talking about the at the end on the drive where he completed a 3rd and 10+, this was a 4th and 10+ and the ball was in Shep's hands but contested and he couldn't make the catch. It was broken up. Not the one where he was wide open.
That whole series where I was talking about was just garbage from the play calling to Jones. I am extremely happy with Jones overall but between that missed TD and him not throwing the ball away and taking the sack it just shows that he has a lot of room for growth. Eli was great throughout his career of knowing when he could throw the ball away and live for another down or series. To ok many young QBs always want to make a play every play and that isn't always the smartest mentality.
an odd missed throw that people go on and on about. He should have also had a TD on a 4th and long, thanks Shep!
A lot of giants receivers allow th ball to come into their body, instead of plucking it. Case in point to the play you’re referring to. Engram does go and get the ball, but he doesn’t have the best hands
Once Jones is able to work more with Sheperd and the other receivers, those long passes will be completed more than missed. It's really hard to gauge a receiver's speed when a QB has had so little experience working with that receiver. In terms of getting rid of the ball, again it's knowing where the receivers will be, and, thus again, anticipation comes with QB/receiver experience. Also, as joeinpa stated, it's good seeing Jones having his eyes downfield standing up against the rush, and using his mobility to extend plays.
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Once Jones is able to work more with Sheperd and the other receivers, those long passes will be completed more than missed. It's really hard to gauge a receiver's speed when a QB has had so little experience working with that receiver. In terms of getting rid of the ball, again it's knowing where the receivers will be, and, thus again, anticipation comes with QB/receiver experience. Also, as joeinpa stated, it's good seeing Jones having his eyes downfield standing up against the rush, and using his mobility to extend plays.
100%. No argument from me. Like I said, I am ecstatic with Jones. All I am saying is for as good as he has been already there are still a lot of areas he can improve in.
The guy is a pro and understands that hard work and preparation is a necessary part of the job. I believe that he will better learn to use his tools and lead this team to success. Jones is a thinker and processes the field quickly, and as long as he is in this league, we will see him continuing to improve, and even when he is a ten year veteran he will still be learning new things.
for 6 yards a clip and you could be on this list. I want to see a list of how many first downs, he's probably one on that, but I doubt Dak is 3rd.
The number of opportunities would not impact one's QBR in those situations. If you suck on 3rd-and-long, you suck.
Right, but you can put up a good QBR and not be putting up first downs, let's say your 3 and 7+ opportunities average out to 3rd and 10 or so. You average 8 ypa but are consistently not picking up first downs your passing rating can still be very good. A much more telling stat is percentages of first downs picked up in this situation.
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for 6 yards a clip and you could be on this list. I want to see a list of how many first downs, he's probably one on that, but I doubt Dak is 3rd.
The number of opportunities would not impact one's QBR in those situations. If you suck on 3rd-and-long, you suck.
Right, but you can put up a good QBR and not be putting up first downs, let's say your 3 and 7+ opportunities average out to 3rd and 10 or so. You average 8 ypa but are consistently not picking up first downs your passing rating can still be very good. A much more telling stat is percentages of first downs picked up in this situation.
Jones is 54% on 3rd down conversions which is a number most qbs in the league would be happy to have
Are you talking about the bad throw by Jones that Shep almost made an insane catch with 2 feet down on? Pretty stupid play to bring up to justify something in Jones' favor and against Shep.
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an odd missed throw that people go on and on about. He should have also had a TD on a 4th and long, thanks Shep!
Are you talking about the bad throw by Jones that Shep almost made an insane catch with 2 feet down on? Pretty stupid play to bring up to justify something in Jones' favor and against Shep.
No, I'm talking about the at the end on the drive where he completed a 3rd and 10+, this was a 4th and 10+ and the ball was in Shep's hands but contested and he couldn't make the catch. It was broken up. Not the one where he was wide open.
A lot of giants receivers allow th ball to come into their body, instead of plucking it. Case in point to the play you’re referring to. Engram does go and get the ball, but he doesn’t have the best hands
EE also has to catch that crucial long "difficult" pass that him in the hands split between two defenders. You can't be dropping those in this league.
Dak is probably on there because its happened 5 times all season. Having more is a good thing in this sense, gets rid of the small sample size effect.
100%. No argument from me. Like I said, I am ecstatic with Jones. All I am saying is for as good as he has been already there are still a lot of areas he can improve in.
The number of opportunities would not impact one's QBR in those situations. If you suck on 3rd-and-long, you suck.
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for 6 yards a clip and you could be on this list. I want to see a list of how many first downs, he's probably one on that, but I doubt Dak is 3rd.
The number of opportunities would not impact one's QBR in those situations. If you suck on 3rd-and-long, you suck.
Right, but you can put up a good QBR and not be putting up first downs, let's say your 3 and 7+ opportunities average out to 3rd and 10 or so. You average 8 ypa but are consistently not picking up first downs your passing rating can still be very good. A much more telling stat is percentages of first downs picked up in this situation.
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for 6 yards a clip and you could be on this list. I want to see a list of how many first downs, he's probably one on that, but I doubt Dak is 3rd.
The number of opportunities would not impact one's QBR in those situations. If you suck on 3rd-and-long, you suck.
Right, but you can put up a good QBR and not be putting up first downs, let's say your 3 and 7+ opportunities average out to 3rd and 10 or so. You average 8 ypa but are consistently not picking up first downs your passing rating can still be very good. A much more telling stat is percentages of first downs picked up in this situation.
Jones is 54% on 3rd down conversions which is a number most qbs in the league would be happy to have
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct
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