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This game is on Pat Shumur

BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 10:56 pm
I donít want to hear the injuries excuse. You play to win the game. This guy is absolutely terrible. His play calling is mind boggling. The fact that some of you people believe heís the best person for team is scary.
Dude.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2019 10:58 pm : link
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I agree the game is on Pat Shurmur  
BlackLight : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
I also think he's done a hell of a job getting the team up to play. We could've gotten embarrassed tonight and didn't.
I Agree  
Saquads Barkley : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
4th and 2 and you punt down 14 with 7 mins left? Go for it!!!
Oh STFU  
allstarjim : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
Idiotic post.
Nope  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
Go to bed
He does like to run Hilliman  
5BowlsSoon : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
Up the middle a lot. Not sure why....
Dude  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
What? What fucking game are you watching? Tell me this play calling is good? This game could have been won.

But I guess punting on 4 and 2 down 14 is a great call also dude
Ridiculous  
Marty866b : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
I think you should delete this thread.
change your username  
CMicks3110 : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
beckham is gone and eli will be too soon.
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SW_84 : 10/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
Come the f on man. We showed as well as we could, and it's not even over yet
RE: I Agree  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14623274 Saquads Barkley said:
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4th and 2 and you punt down 14 with 7 mins left? Go for it!!!


Cool first post.
I don't like the decision to punt  
BlackLight : 10/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
but he hasn't given me a ton to complain about tonight.
.  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
Classic BBI posters who hit the pipe saying that Pat Shurmur is a good nfl
Coach.
Of all the games to blame on Shurmur  
Capt. Don : 10/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
This is not it.
Shurmur is a transitional coach  
Saquads Barkley : 10/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
He wont be the guy to turn it around, let's not kid ourselves.
What playcalls..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:00 pm : link
are you looking for?

Reverses? Statue of Liberty??

Several times we call a deep pass and nobody is open. If we run, you're screaming he's giving up. What the fuck are you looking for?
RE: Dude  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14623285 BeckShepEli said:
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What? What fucking game are you watching? Tell me this play calling is good? This game could have been won.

But I guess punting on 4 and 2 down 14 is a great call also dude


Mr SIMO that you
if the game's on anyone it would be DG for the backup personnel on O  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2019 11:01 pm : link
rather than Shurmur.
BBI mods need to punt this thread away  
Route 9 : 10/10/2019 11:01 pm : link
Like its 4th and 2, down two scores
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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:02 pm : link
Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events
RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14623328 BeckShepEli said:
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Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events


Howís the family in prison?
TFI  
Chip : 10/10/2019 11:03 pm : link
Total Fucking Idiot and you must be a Jets fan
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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14623331 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events



Howís the family in prison?


Doing great thanks
I'd say the game  
AcesUp : 10/10/2019 11:03 pm : link
is on a shorthanded 2-3 team with a rookie QB going on the road with minimal rest against the best team in the league. That probably had more to do with the loss than the guy with a headset on.
I see improvement...  
Brown_Hornet : 10/10/2019 11:04 pm : link
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Shurmur is a loser coach  
moespree : 10/10/2019 11:04 pm : link
What's he about 22 games under 500 now as a HC?
It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:05 pm : link
And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps
RE: I agree the game is on Pat Shurmur  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/10/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14623271 BlackLight said:
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I also think he's done a hell of a job getting the team up to play. We could've gotten embarrassed tonight and didn't.


Seriously ?? Itís week 6 of 16 and he has to get his guys up??
Missing their top 3 playmakers  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2019 11:05 pm : link
and playing 25 mph winds, even the pats struggled...
RE: What playcalls..  
allstarjim : 10/10/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14623312 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are you looking for?

Reverses? Statue of Liberty??

Several times we call a deep pass and nobody is open. If we run, you're screaming he's giving up. What the fuck are you looking for?


Seriously. This team is completely outclassed personnel-wise tonight and played the unbeaten, defending Super Bowl champs to a stale-mate for 3 quarters. The mistakes that have cost them were all on the players...fumbles, not finishing routes, bad decision with the football, horrible penalties (Janoris Jenkins with the hold on 4th and 7 was atrocious).
RE: I'd say the game  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14623342 AcesUp said:
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is on a shorthanded 2-3 team with a rookie QB going on the road with minimal rest against the best team in the league. That probably had more to do with the loss than the guy with a headset on.


I respect your opinion but I disagree 2 weeks ago everyone way saying DJ is the future now and ready to win games now. I get it heís going to be a rookie and throw picks and made mistake but you canít convince me Shurmur is the right coach for him.
Shurmur will be here at least  
Simms11 : 10/10/2019 11:06 pm : link
One more year.
RE: What playcalls..  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14623312 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are you looking for?

Reverses? Statue of Liberty??

Several times we call a deep pass and nobody is open. If we run, you're screaming he's giving up. What the fuck are you looking for?


FMIC I love the intensity! I am looking for plays that are going to wake this fucking team up. We benched Eli to bring in the young kid to bring some sparks but itís the same fucking play calls. Bootleg this kid. God forbid do some trick plays get this team fired up.
The problem  
George : 10/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
is not Pat Shurmur.
RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
islander1 : 10/10/2019 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14623354 Anakim said:
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps


the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.
RE: Shurmur will be here at least  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14623366 Simms11 said:
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One more year.


Oh I know and we will suck next year also the guy is a 6-10 coach at best
Trick plays..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:08 pm : link
don't fire anyone up. Against good teams they backfire.

fucking idiot
RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14623382 islander1 said:
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.


Barkley went down 3 weeks ago. You have veteran FAs available they decided to keep Tanney on the roster.
It's not on Shurmur  
Blue Ninja : 10/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
but he needs to be more aggressive.

This team has 5 TOs and was in good positions sans that last drive. They came to play very shorthanded and made it a game.
RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14623382 islander1 said:
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.


How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?
RE: Trick plays..  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14623386 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't fire anyone up. Against good teams they backfire.

fucking idiot


So hostile. Youíre the kind of guy who loves draw plays. Sorry I thought we brought Shurmur here to wake this offense up not make it worst fuck me for thinking otherwise
Has he coached other than the browns and the two  
Gmen1982 : 10/10/2019 11:10 pm : link
Shitty giants teams? Even BB couldnít win in these situations.
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Danny Kanell : 10/10/2019 11:10 pm : link
Pat Shurmur is a dreadful head coach. Absolutely dreadful. A complete fucking loser.

But this particular game, other than the mind numbing pussy decision to punt, is not his fault.
Golden Tate  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:11 pm : link
Our only playmaker right now on offense with a Rookie QB.

Pat Shurmur coaches a stalemate until the 4tjh quarter and Iíve didnít coach his players up for a game we all thought was going to be blood bath from the first snap.

This is not a Pat Shurmur problem.
There,,,  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:11 pm : link
were probably 5-6 plays called for downfield passes (likely to Slayton) that Jones couldn't throw because of the coverage and the pass rush.
Ong  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:11 pm : link
Shut the fuck up. No it isn't. Show me a coach who has won with THIS decimated of a team with a rookie QB on road vs #1 defense with a bad defense himself.

Fucking show me. It doesn't fucking exist. Coaches coach. Players play. We didn't have the talent to stay in game on off nse.
RE: RE: I'd say the game  
Mdgiantsfan : 10/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14623360 BeckShepEli said:
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is on a shorthanded 2-3 team with a rookie QB going on the road with minimal rest against the best team in the league. That probably had more to do with the loss than the guy with a headset on.



I respect your opinion but I disagree 2 weeks ago everyone way saying DJ is the future now and ready to win games now. I get it heís going to be a rookie and throw picks and made mistake but you canít convince me Shurmur is the right coach for him.


The fact that you ignore the reality of where this team is at tonight is mind boggling. Looking at this game and saying Shurm isnít the game is a stretch at best. This team had NO offensive weapons and were fortunate to be in the game at all. Injuries are a fact of the game but missing the #1 & 2 RB, #1 TE whoís the best receiving threat, and best WR are challenges nobody is overcoming against the best team in the league in their house.

Punting on 4th and 2 is a fireable offense  
bhill410 : 10/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
The defense played much much better but how much impact does Schumer even have there? The offense (short handed) and special teams gave this game to pats and Schumer sealed it with curious decisions in second half.
RE: RE: Trick plays..  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14623403 BeckShepEli said:
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don't fire anyone up. Against good teams they backfire.

fucking idiot



So hostile. Youíre the kind of guy who loves draw plays. Sorry I thought we brought Shurmur here to wake this offense up not make it worst fuck me for thinking otherwise


Why donít you just email FMIC MR Simo
RE: Ong  
Del Shofner : 10/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14623415 BleedBlue said:
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Shut the fuck up. No it isn't. Show me a coach who has won with THIS decimated of a team with a rookie QB on road vs #1 defense with a bad defense himself.

Fucking show me. It doesn't fucking exist. Coaches coach. Players play. We didn't have the talent to stay in game on off nse.


This.
It's going to turn into a Jim Zorn situation  
dpinzow : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
if the players decide at some point not to listen to him
RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14623400 Anakim said:
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?


you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield
RE: Golden Tate  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14623412 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Our only playmaker right now on offense with a Rookie QB.

Pat Shurmur coaches a stalemate until the 4tjh quarter and Iíve didnít coach his players up for a game we all thought was going to be blood bath from the first snap.

This is not a Pat Shurmur problem.


Bullshit it was 14-14 with 3 mins left in the 2nd quarter. This wasnít a bloodbath. It turned into a massacre once Shurmur realized we were playing a football game. But I look forward to his post game of him saying we played a great game
Heís coaching scared  
GiantTuff1 : 10/10/2019 11:14 pm : link
with bubble wrap on Jones. Why not have the kid take off once or twice on the RPO? Let him loose.

Not going for it on 4 and 2 was so stupid. Defense was on the field for 40 min and was starting to bend hard.

I do like how the team plays hard for him though.
Shurmur sucks  
broadbandz : 10/10/2019 11:14 pm : link
if you're backing this dude, you're into losing.
RE: Heís coaching scared  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14623441 GiantTuff1 said:
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with bubble wrap on Jones. Why not have the kid take off once or twice on the RPO? Let him loose.

Not going for it on 4 and 2 was so stupid. Defense was on the field for 40 min and was starting to bend hard.

I do like how the team plays hard for him though.


I see you have no clue what an RPO is.
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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:16 pm : link
This forum is so use to losing you keep making excuses for this team. Itís the roster, itís the refs, itís the weather, itís the good team at home.
I guess I'm a BBI veteran,  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2019 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14623328 BeckShepEli said:
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Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events
and I think you have every right to create a thread like this. But 1) I disagree with you and I have every right to say so, and 2) other guys have a right to disagree with you, too.
Takes time  
djstat : 10/10/2019 11:17 pm : link
To rebuild and oh btw were missing Barkley, Gallman, Engram and Shep. You knuckleheads really expect them to sign a RB Monday who could have helped? This team played hard and stayed competitive. Jones is ready to win some games. Had an off night in tough winds but kept the team in it. Defense made some plays but ran out of gas.

This franchise is on the right track. Some of you have no patience and no clue
Lost this game due to innumerable reasons, but  
eclipz928 : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
yet to hear anyone place any blame on Daniel Jones. Obviously the expectations we have for a rookie QB aren't high . . . but he was pretty bad tonight.
RE: I guess I'm a BBI veteran,  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14623463 81_Great_Dane said:
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Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events

and I think you have every right to create a thread like this. But 1) I disagree with you and I have every right to say so, and 2) other guys have a right to disagree with you, too.


I can dig that
RE: Shurmur sucks  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14623445 broadbandz said:
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if you're backing this dude, you're into losing.
Haven't made up my mind on Shurmur yet. Not backing him, not blaming him. But "This game is on Pat Shurmur"???
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?



you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield


You realize that the wind was behind their back for two quarters, right?
We lose regardless who is coaching  
Saquads Barkley : 10/10/2019 11:22 pm : link
But having said that, I just dont think Shurmur is a good HC. He will get another year for sure. Hope I'm wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2019 11:22 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?



you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield



You realize that the wind was behind their back for two quarters, right?


it doesnt matter, it is still hard to throw
RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14623498 81_Great_Dane said:
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if you're backing this dude, you're into losing.

Haven't made up my mind on Shurmur yet. Not backing him, not blaming him. But "This game is on Pat Shurmur"???


Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half. Offensive plays have been extremely plain and cautious with DJ. Eli did more bootlegs in 2 games than DJ has done in 3 games. Let the kid do what he does best. Take the training wheels off
Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:23 pm : link
and that's saying something.
A lot of coaching genius here  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/10/2019 11:24 pm : link
...
RE: Has he coached other than the browns and the two  
montanagiant : 10/10/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14623407 Gmen1982 said:
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Shitty giants teams? Even BB couldnít win in these situations.

So true, yet so lost on so many
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
broadbandz : 10/10/2019 11:26 pm : link
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and that's saying something.


completely agree. sad some in this thread are giving credit because the team hasnt quit? wtf is that the standard now? just mind numbing.
RE: RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
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and that's saying something.



completely agree. sad some in this thread are giving credit because the team hasnt quit? wtf is that the standard now? just mind numbing.


Like I said a lot of people on this thread and board are use to losing. We are a losing team so they are okay with the results. They are okay with the product that Shurmur and Dave G offer us.
RE: RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BlackLight : 10/10/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14623547 BeckShepEli said:
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Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half.


Nonsense. The offense was driving until Jones threw that INT. They weren't flat.
shouldn't have cut Tanney  
madgiantscow009 : 10/10/2019 11:31 pm : link
that's on Shumur.
I don't even like Shurmur but this is a rediculous stance  
PatersonPlank : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
We went into NE without Barkley, EE, Gallman, and Shepard. What did you expect Shurmur to do, he had to play the 3rd string guys.

What team has a good 3rd team RB? We battled, thats all you could ask.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
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Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half.



Nonsense. The offense was driving until Jones threw that INT. They weren't flat.


Oh okay we must have two different games
Did  
Ike#88 : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
not like the screen pass call late in the game which had no chance of success and punting in the 4th on 4th and 2. The team played hard and made too many mistakes. Need to see a win next game to feel that anything was gained by tonight's effort.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
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Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half.



Nonsense. The offense was driving until Jones threw that INT. They weren't flat.



Oh okay we must have two different games


Watched two different games*
We're decimated by injuries...  
bw in dc : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.
You are what your record says you are  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
Pat is a good football man but it is really starting to seem like he is not head coaching material.

After he gets canned by the Giants, he will likely go back to be an OC and have some good years.

Giants were not winning this game regardless tonight. But Shurmur's use of timeouts just showed he can't think quickly on his feet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
montanagiant : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?



you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield



You realize that the wind was behind their back for two quarters, right?

That will still effect throws Ank
Pat Shurmur  
Football Giants : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
Definitely had fault in this game but it wasn't all on him. However, I do not think he is the future
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
Danny Kanell : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14623548 Go Terps said:
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and that's saying something.


Agreed
RE: We're decimated by injuries...  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14623624 bw in dc said:
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in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.


This is the guy who is use to losing. Youíre saying we were losing this game before we played it. The patriots offense didnít play great tonight. The giants were in this game and down by 7 in the 4th quarter. Stop with the we were in NE bullshit. We had a chance to win this game and we didnít
RE: Trick plays..  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14623386 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't fire anyone up. Against good teams they backfire.

fucking idiot


Thanks for your great wisdom.
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
WillVAB : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14623548 Go Terps said:
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and that's saying something.


I tend to agree but I donít think heís that bad. Definitely below average.

Too many head scratching calls offensively. I donít think they ever tried to attack the middle of the field.

Didnít like a bunch of in game decisions. Defense wasnít perfect but showed up.
Pointing at Shurmur  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
way past idiotic.

Blocked punt, Hilliman's fumble, Jenkins falling alseep on the last long pass to Edelman.

No Barkley, Shepard, or Engram and they were in the hgame until the 4th quarter.
Shrumur isn't the answer.  
St. Jimmy : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
He is an offensive coordinator who is head coach. He is always attempting to react to the game. He is never ahead of the game. Another John Mara dud of a head coach.
RE: Pointing at Shurmur  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14623670 bc4life said:
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way past idiotic.

Blocked punt, Hilliman's fumble, Jenkins falling alseep on the last long pass to Edelman.

No Barkley, Shepard, or Engram and they were in the hgame until the 4th quarter.


Another poster who is use to losing. Blaming this on injuries.
RE: We lose regardless who is coaching  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14623535 Saquads Barkley said:
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But having said that, I just dont think Shurmur is a good HC. He will get another year for sure. Hope I'm wrong.


I think the team has to show progress for him to stay.

He might have to win 7 games to stay. Maybe 6 if the team is competitive in the losses. Anything less than that and he is very likely gone.



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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
17-38 as a NFL Football Coach
worst thing about a tough loss  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:41 pm : link
is the idiot fest that comes after it
RE: worst thing about a tough loss  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14623695 bc4life said:
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is the idiot fest that comes after it


Classic post that brings no insight. Loser
RE: .  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14623684 BeckShepEli said:
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17-38 as a NFL Football Coach


Yes, but all 38 losses were on the players.

Didn't you read the brilliant post about coaches don't tackle, coches don't throw interceptions?


So Shurmur is really 17-0.

RE: RE: We're decimated by injuries...  
bw in dc : 10/10/2019 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14623652 BeckShepEli said:
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in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.



This is the guy who is use to losing. Youíre saying we were losing this game before we played it. The patriots offense didnít play great tonight. The giants were in this game and down by 7 in the 4th quarter. Stop with the we were in NE bullshit. We had a chance to win this game and we didnít


Actually, the Patriots haven't really played great offense all year. They have been decimated by key OL injuries from the start of the year. But that would presume you watch games, follow the rest of the league, and, more importantly, understand the game.

And a lot of teams have chances to beat the Patriots. But they don't either. And a lot of those teams are healthier than us and have better coaching.

So tell me. Do you believe in Santa Claus, too?

The question..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:49 pm : link
to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
RE: RE: RE: We're decimated by injuries...  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:50 pm : link
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in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.



This is the guy who is use to losing. Youíre saying we were losing this game before we played it. The patriots offense didnít play great tonight. The giants were in this game and down by 7 in the 4th quarter. Stop with the we were in NE bullshit. We had a chance to win this game and we didnít



Actually, the Patriots haven't really played great offense all year. They have been decimated by key OL injuries from the start of the year. But that would presume you watch games, follow the rest of the league, and, more importantly, understand the game.

And a lot of teams have chances to beat the Patriots. But they don't either. And a lot of those teams are healthier than us and have better coaching.

So tell me. Do you believe in Santa Claus, too?


Easter Bunny, Santa and the leprechaun. Keep making excuses BW youíre a loser so I can see why.
I think the Shurm is a basically mediocre head coach.  
cosmicj : 10/10/2019 11:52 pm : link
We have enough data to know what he is.

The decision to retain him in 2020 should have absolutely nothing to do with him and his record. It should depend on whether there is an alternative outside the organization that could be a leading NFL coach.

I know Mara wonít look at it that way. But he should.
RE: The question..  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14623758 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?


Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
Ha..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:53 pm : link
Andy Reid wins this game with a banged up roster, but can't win a playoff game with a stacked one.

Try again, Ace.
RE: Ha..  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14623789 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Andy Reid wins this game with a banged up roster, but can't win a playoff game with a stacked one.

Try again, Ace.


Andy Reid is a regular season coach and we all know it. I like how you had no answers for the other 4 guys. A smart NFL Coach will find a way to win this game. He will call the game around a rookie QB and find a way to win
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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:56 pm : link
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17-38 as a NFL Football Coach



Yes, but all 38 losses were on the players.

Didn't you read the brilliant post about coaches don't tackle, coches don't throw interceptions?


So Shurmur is really 17-0.


Youíre right. I read all the time on this board that the coaches win the games and players/weather/refs lose it
I blame this one  
mrvax : 10/10/2019 11:58 pm : link
on injuries to critical offensive players and Bethea. Yes, Bethea. He didn't think I would key on him tonight. I have his number and he should just clean out his locker back home and call AARP.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:59 pm : link
Carroll could beat the Pats with the ball inside the 10 and a beast at RB.

McVay could beat the Pats what - just last season, right?

And Payton? Please.

Were those coaches going to somehow will WR's to get separation and squeeze the very best out of Hilliman?

This game wasn't lost by coaching. We had a punt blocked for a TD, 3 INT's and a fumble returned for a TD. That's on Shurmur?

And you are giving bw shit? Fucking moron
Last time we saw Sean McVay...  
bw in dc : 10/11/2019 12:00 am : link
play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.

I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
RE: Last time we saw Sean McVay...  
BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:04 am : link
In comment 14623816 bw in dc said:
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play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.

I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.


Thanks Man!

FMIC up BWAsS
143 FMIC Way
BWIdiotville, NJ 94929
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BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:06 am : link
Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldnít beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon ďblow Shurmur all nightĒ let me know your addresses Iíll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
I like Shurmur as a QB coach...not so much as a HC  
NYRiese : 10/11/2019 12:09 am : link
I don't think he's a winner as a head coach, and his record proves it.
Let's see if he gives the game time play calling to Shula.
RE: RE: Last time we saw Sean McVay...  
mrvax : 10/11/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14623829 BeckShepEli said:
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play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.

I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.



Thanks Man!

FMIC up BWAsS
143 FMIC Way
BWIdiotville, NJ 94929


Not to start any trouble here but this thread is really bad. Not even funny bad. This is 'lack of football knowledge bad' if you are blaming Shurmur for this loss.
-If I started this thread, I'd delete it and do not respond when other posters bring this thread up years from now. Change your BBI user name too. Good luck.
RE: .  
bw in dc : 10/11/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14623833 BeckShepEli said:
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Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldnít beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon ďblow Shurmur all nightĒ let me know your addresses Iíll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas


Rationalize with me for a second.

And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
islander1 : 10/11/2019 12:13 am : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?


Going for it on 4th down there, with our offense as constituted, is something a moron would do.

So, less screen passes to useless RB and more of them to covered and mostly useless WRs. Got it. You have a boner for Slayton but the reality is he's a GOOD 4th WR. That's all. Kid has talent and has a lot to learn.

The shit you're complaining about, unbelievable.
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BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:13 am : link
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Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldnít beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon ďblow Shurmur all nightĒ let me know your addresses Iíll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas



Rationalize with me for a second.

And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?


To be honest. Before the game started I had no confidence. As the game was being played and we tied it up 14-14 and even 21-14 in the 4th quarter I felt like we could win this game. But thatís me just being honest. I can see why people werenít confident but watching this game and how everything was playing out and the face that it wasnít 35-3 at halftime yeah I thought we had a chance
RE: RE: RE: Last time we saw Sean McVay...  
BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:14 am : link
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play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.

I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.



Thanks Man!

FMIC up BWAsS
143 FMIC Way
BWIdiotville, NJ 94929



Not to start any trouble here but this thread is really bad. Not even funny bad. This is 'lack of football knowledge bad' if you are blaming Shurmur for this loss.
-If I started this thread, I'd delete it and do not respond when other posters bring this thread up years from now. Change your BBI user name too. Good luck.


Thanks I was worried what you were thinking about this thread. Now I can sleep in peace. Safe to assume youíre okay with Shurmur? Youíre okay with losing? Thanks for the feedback though.
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BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:20 am : link
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Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldnít beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon ďblow Shurmur all nightĒ let me know your addresses Iíll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas



Rationalize with me for a second.

And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?



To be honest. Before the game started I had no confidence. As the game was being played and we tied it up 14-14 and even 21-14 in the 4th quarter I felt like we could win this game. But thatís me just being honest. I can see why people werenít confident but watching this game and how everything was playing out and the face that it wasnít 35-3 at halftime yeah I thought we had a chance


BW let me throw it back to you. Nothing to do with this thread. Did you think we were going to beat the patriots in super bowl 42? The reason why I ask and this thread has nothing to do with it but we play 1 game to win and if things fall the right way you could win the game and tonight we missed on a few of those key moments.
What about Hilliman,  
adamg : 10/11/2019 12:22 am : link
Bethea, and Peppers missing open field tackles?

Or the fact that our three best playmakers were out?

I have to say Haley looked good wraping guys up. And Zo looked good. This game gave me hope that a core may be there.

We still suck tho. And while Pat may not be a savior or even a fixture, this loss was beyond his paygrade.
RE: RE: The question..  
santacruzom : 10/11/2019 12:22 am : link
In comment 14623779 BeckShepEli said:
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?



Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.


I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
RE: RE: RE: The question..  
BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:25 am : link
In comment 14623870 santacruzom said:
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?



Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.



I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.


Fair point itís not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. Thatís all.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The question..  
kcgiants : 10/11/2019 12:47 am : link
In comment 14623879 BeckShepEli said:
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?



Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.



I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.



Fair point itís not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. Thatís all.


Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
Pete Carroll?  
montanagiant : 10/11/2019 12:50 am : link
He made one of the dumbest decisions ever in the SB with the game on the line and a completely healthy team. You think with this decimated Offensive he would have won this?

Holy crap, he was on the 2-yard line with the game in hand and the most powerful RB in the NFL and blew it...BLEW IT!!
RE: Pete Carroll?  
BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:51 am : link
In comment 14623903 montanagiant said:
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He made one of the dumbest decisions ever in the SB with the game on the line and a completely healthy team. You think with this decimated Offensive he would have won this?

Holy crap, he was on the 2-yard line with the game in hand and the most powerful RB in the NFL and blew it...BLEW IT!!


Poor Pete will always be remember by one play(rightfully so)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The question..  
BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:54 am : link
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?



Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.



I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.



Fair point itís not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. Thatís all.



Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.


Oh please donít give credit to our head coach because the patriots made mistakes. We hired Pat Shurmur to fix this offense. He has not done that. I get it we have a rookie QB and before that it was Eliís fault. In the last 3 games we have 0 offensive points in the 2nd half. You canít win football games with those stats.
I by no means would argue  
santacruzom : 10/11/2019 1:52 am : link
That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
allstarjim : 10/11/2019 1:54 am : link
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and that's saying something.


You're the smartest worst poster here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The question..  
allstarjim : 10/11/2019 2:06 am : link
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?



Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.



I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.



Fair point itís not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. Thatís all.



Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.



Oh please donít give credit to our head coach because the patriots made mistakes. We hired Pat Shurmur to fix this offense. He has not done that. I get it we have a rookie QB and before that it was Eliís fault. In the last 3 games we have 0 offensive points in the 2nd half. You canít win football games with those stats.


Oh really? The Giants scored more than 30 points exactly 0 times from 2015 to 2017. Three straight seasons. The first season with Shurmur the Giants scored more than 30 points 4 times with Eli Manning at QB. Zero times in three seasons prior, he comes in with a new offense and does it 4 times. And one time this year in his rookie QB's first game.

Pat Shurmur runs a GREAT offense. You still need good players to execute any offense. The Giants are not going to execute at a high level against excellent competition when the most recognizable talent on offense is a 31 year old Golden Tate and a rookie QB who is still learning.

For you to pass judgement 3 games into a rookie QB's season is so fucking arrogant it's just absurd. Don't be such a fucking dumbfuck and exercise some amount of patience, and have a couple of neurons fire giving you the consciousness that, hey, it might take a half a season or maybe even an entire season before a rookie QB can begin to run an offense at a high level, FFS. Fucking clown show in here right now.
RE: .  
allstarjim : 10/11/2019 2:12 am : link
In comment 14623833 BeckShepEli said:
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Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldnít beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon ďblow Shurmur all nightĒ let me know your addresses Iíll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas


You're throwing around "idiots" at other posters when you've exposed yourself as a complete fucking twit in this thread.

Here's a suggestion...post less...A LOT LESS. You should read A LOT from smart posters here, soak that stuff in, then maybe you'll be able to string several words together on this forum that doesn't make you look like a complete dumbfuck. Good luck.
RE: I by no means would argue  
Go Terps : 10/11/2019 2:32 am : link
In comment 14623922 santacruzom said:
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That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.


This is true, but the point is he's clearly a disaster as a coach. Fucking guy quit on the game tonight. They could fire his ass tonight and the net affect could only be positive.
Why is everyone giving Shurmur credit  
Leg of Theismann : 10/11/2019 3:02 am : link
for the Giants "staying in the game" until late? James fucking Bettcher is the defensive coordinator. Do you realize that up until late in the 2nd quarter, the defense had held the Tom Brady Patriot offense to ONE touchdown, AND had scored a TD itself essentially erasing that one TD it had allowed. Sure the offense didn't have any weapons to work with but people are acting as though Shurmur did anything good whatsoever. He didn't. The offense was awful. The offense made one nice play all night (the long TD to Tate) and just because of that everyone wants to blow Shurmur and talk about "oh wow just amazing that the offense actually had a good play against the legendary Bill Belichick defense, so impressive."

Don't get me wrong I'm very proud of this team for coming into this essentially unwinnable game and fighting to stay in it right up until the very end. But give that credit to the players who understandably came into this game treating it like it was their personal 2019 super bowl. What player with any sort of competitive bone in his body wouldn't have treated it that way?

I didn't expect them to come away with a win. But to talk about Pat Shurmur as though he did anything good tonight whatsoever beyond just be the bare minimum of an NFL coach is insane. He had nothing to work with on offense, and he did nothing with it. He delivered the expected status quo in that regard. BUT-- then he also made a lot of questionable and flat out bad calls that anyone with any sort of understanding of football knows were bad calls.

Seriously, how do you not go for it on that 4th and 2? I know we're beating a dead horse, but that horse has to be beaten until it dies about 25 more times. What the hell was he thinking? 4th and 2, down 2 TDs, 7:30 left in the game. There was still a sliver of hope they could have come back but instead he just punted it away as if he was making sure to give Brady plenty of time to drive down the field and cover the spread.
Name 1 player on giants offense tonight that NE was scared of ?  
morrison40 : 10/11/2019 3:07 am : link
I canít
RE: RE: I by no means would argue  
allstarjim : 10/11/2019 3:22 am : link
In comment 14623930 Go Terps said:
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That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.



This is true, but the point is he's clearly a disaster as a coach. Fucking guy quit on the game tonight. They could fire his ass tonight and the net affect could only be positive.


*effect*, and wrong again, clueless.
RE: Shurmur is a transitional coach  
Optimus-NY : 10/11/2019 4:21 am : link
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He wont be the guy to turn it around, let's not kid ourselves.


I agree.
Can't blame Shurmur for this loss  
Optimus-NY : 10/11/2019 4:48 am : link
Come on. I believe he's a transitional HC, but it's obvious that the Giants were overmatched. Next topic please.
Not going  
Les in TO : 10/11/2019 5:42 am : link
For it on 4th and 2 down two touchdowns with 8 minutes left in the game was a major head scratcher.
Also  
Les in TO : 10/11/2019 5:46 am : link
Youíre not going to beat the pats if you give up a blocked punt TD. Not sure if you blame stupor or Dixon ST coach or Shurmur. but it was a costly error
It is possible to not pin the loss on Shurmur  
mattnyg05 : 10/11/2019 6:00 am : link
And still not be satisfied with how he does things. I thought a subtle thing was taking the timeout with 2:40 left in the first half... yes, you want to try to get the ball back, but youíre playing the patriots. They were kind of running the ball ad bleeding the clock a little bit and as soon as we called timeout it was ďoh youíre calling timeout? Fuck you were going to score a td nowĒ and thatís exactly what happened.

I think I would have let things flow a little bit there-maybe they were content to just run it and settle for a field goal until we stopped the clock. I also didnít like the quick snaps against a HOF coach with arguably his best defense ever so far. That, rushing the plays before the end of the third to keep the wind... I donít think any coach would have stood much of a chance tonight, but I donít think Shurmur has shown that heís your answer. And I was a huge Shurmur defender up until the Eagle loss last year where he refused to give the ball to Barkley.

I agree that he never seems ahead of the game heís completely by the book. I canít explain it but he has no feel. At least thatís what it seems like. I know we werenít moving the ball tonight, our offense was basically shut down, but taking a little more time to run plays might have given us a better shot and kept our d off the field for a few more minutes instead of quick snapping so we could punt right away. It was head scratching all night there. I donít think it was Shurmurs fault but you might have had a better chance with a better coach.
Love how BBI always has this need to pin a loss  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/11/2019 6:51 am : link
on one individual. It's not how football works. And while sometimes there is a pivotal play that ends a game, last night was far from an example of that. We lost to a much better team.
The ironic thing about EVERY  
Dave on the UWS : 10/11/2019 6:59 am : link
one of these posts is ďterrible play callerĒ guy is an OC not a head coach. Well part of what an OC does (usually) is call plays. So what your saying then is heís a really bad coach win shouldnít be employed at all.
I think heís a better HC then OC - and thatís the problem here. Heís trying to do both jobs and itís not working. He needs to turn everything over to Shula and run the whole team. It can work with a more seasoned team, but not here.
I thought until 8 minutes to go  
dpinzow : 10/11/2019 7:11 am : link
Shurmur and the team did well. But that punt decision on 4th and 2 with 8 minutes left makes me fear for his job. The players gave it everything they had to that point against the best team in football and he waves the white flag when itís still 28-14. I wonder if some of the players are thinking that coach doesnít give them 100% opportunity to win games
Don't blame Shurmur for the loss...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/11/2019 7:14 am : link
I thought his decision to punt on 4th & 2 with 8 & change left was pretty weak though.

But I don't think he's a good coach at all.
Not many coaches win that game.  
Default : 10/11/2019 7:15 am : link
But Shurmur is a career loser, and sucks.
RE: It is possible to not pin the loss on Shurmur  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2019 7:27 am : link
In comment 14623966 mattnyg05 said:
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And still not be satisfied with how he does things. I thought a subtle thing was taking the timeout with 2:40 left in the first half... yes, you want to try to get the ball back, but youíre playing the patriots. They were kind of running the ball ad bleeding the clock a little bit and as soon as we called timeout it was ďoh youíre calling timeout? Fuck you were going to score a td nowĒ and thatís exactly what happened.

I think I would have let things flow a little bit there-maybe they were content to just run it and settle for a field goal until we stopped the clock. I also didnít like the quick snaps against a HOF coach with arguably his best defense ever so far. That, rushing the plays before the end of the third to keep the wind... I donít think any coach would have stood much of a chance tonight, but I donít think Shurmur has shown that heís your answer. And I was a huge Shurmur defender up until the Eagle loss last year where he refused to give the ball to Barkley.

I agree that he never seems ahead of the game heís completely by the book. I canít explain it but he has no feel. At least thatís what it seems like. I know we werenít moving the ball tonight, our offense was basically shut down, but taking a little more time to run plays might have given us a better shot and kept our d off the field for a few more minutes instead of quick snapping so we could punt right away. It was head scratching all night there. I donít think it was Shurmurs fault but you might have had a better chance with a better coach.


+1 Hated that TO, they were still in it at that point but they poked the bear and paid for it. I don't like PS as a HC but to blame him for that loss is beyond stupid, there was NFW they were winning that game, Little Bill doesn't lose to rookie QBs at home!
RE: Shurmur is a loser coach  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/11/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14623349 moespree said:
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What's he about 22 games under 500 now as a HC?

You try coaching for the Browns and Giants.

Shurmur's biggest flaw as a head coach is being willing to get hired by shitty franchises.
Have to give credit that we were in this game  
Rudy5757 : 10/11/2019 8:57 am : link
The punt on 4th and 2 was a bad call but this team played hard. We had nothing on O all game. WRs were not open, everything was contested and DJ had some great throws and some not so great throws. The players made some boneheaded plays too though and that is what cost us the game.

Stupar couldnt block on the punt. He now sucks at everything.

Peppers missed on a critical tackle on 3rd down. In games like this those little things matter and your top players have to step up.

Jenkins with the Hold for no reason.

Golden with the personal Foul, yes it should have been both ways but the last guy usually gets called.

Slayton didn't go to get the ball on the long pass, he waited for the ball to come to him and was looking for a flag. A little effort gets him a catch or a penalty. This is a good learning point for him to see on tape, you need to go after it. He is going to be a good one if he can learn to attack the ball and had a pretty good game overall.
The Giants are probably going to win 4-6 games this year  
arniefez : 10/11/2019 9:19 am : link
How do you justify having an NFL HC that wins 33% of the time going forward. The Giants need to find a good coach like the Colts, Rams, Bears & 49ers have. It's not easy. Very few people are good at this job.
Say what you want about Shurmur  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 9:22 am : link
but this team fought all night long against a vastly superior team. If it were not for Hilliman's fumble this game could have ended differently.
Shurmur  
BigBluesman : 10/11/2019 12:21 pm : link
feels like a placeholder coach. He doesn't inspire any confidence.
he's an Andy Reid guy  
Platos : 10/11/2019 12:25 pm : link
his team will be prepared and play hard but when it comes down to him making the right decision at the right moment...
RE: Takes time  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14623469 djstat said:
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To rebuild and oh btw were missing Barkley, Gallman, Engram and Shep. You knuckleheads really expect them to sign a RB Monday who could have helped? This team played hard and stayed competitive. Jones is ready to win some games. Had an off night in tough winds but kept the team in it. Defense made some plays but ran out of gas.

This franchise is on the right track. Some of you have no patience and no clue


These BS excuses. I remember the Giant's in '07 winning a SB without a Tiki Barber playing in his prime; with back-up TE when Shockey broke his leg. 2 pro bowlers. And yea who's fault is it that Perkins; a one time starter got cut and you didn't have a 3rd string back?
Are we really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2019 1:54 pm : link
saying that Paul Perkins was a key player we missed last night??
RE: he's an Andy Reid guy  
cosmicj : 10/11/2019 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14624732 Platos said:
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his team will be prepared and play hard but when it comes down to him making the right decision at the right moment...
holy cow. Reid took an awful franchise and made them into a championship contender. Then he was fired went to another team and made them into a championship contender. So heís just like Shurmur. Uh-huh.
RE: Are we really..  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/11/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14624915 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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saying that Paul Perkins was a key player we missed last night??


Hilliman is that bad.
4th and 2 - 8 minutes left  
PEEJ : 10/11/2019 2:13 pm : link
When behind coaches try to extend the game as long as possible. With 8 minutes left a lot can happen (though some may be wishful thinking). Turnovers, muffed punts, etal.

If the Giants fail to get the first down and turn over the ball in their own territory, the game is essentially over.

You may not agree with the decision, but there is some logic behind it. As fans we always want to go for the TD on 4th and goal from the 2 yd line. Sometimes taking the 3 points is the right play.

A decision can be right even if the result is bad
RE: RE: Takes time  
bw in dc : 10/11/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14624868 Big_N said:
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These BS excuses. I remember the Giant's in '07 winning a SB without a Tiki Barber playing in his prime; with back-up TE when Shockey broke his leg. 2 pro bowlers. And yea who's fault is it that Perkins; a one time starter got cut and you didn't have a 3rd string back?


Are you suggesting this is a playoff contending team that is being held back by situations that are just "BS excuses"?
RE: RE: RE: Takes time  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14624941 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14624868 Big_N said:


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These BS excuses. I remember the Giant's in '07 winning a SB without a Tiki Barber playing in his prime; with back-up TE when Shockey broke his leg. 2 pro bowlers. And yea who's fault is it that Perkins; a one time starter got cut and you didn't have a 3rd string back?



Are you suggesting this is a playoff contending team that is being held back by situations that are just "BS excuses"?


No just saying the giants won a superbowl with back-up TEs and a RB previously held by 2 pro bowlers. So were the giants no longer a super bowl team because they were missing those guys. Heck they played better without either one of those guys.
RE: 4th and 2 - 8 minutes left  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/12/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14624939 PEEJ said:
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When behind coaches try to extend the game as long as possible. With 8 minutes left a lot can happen (though some may be wishful thinking). Turnovers, muffed punts, etal.

If the Giants fail to get the first down and turn over the ball in their own territory, the game is essentially over.

You may not agree with the decision, but there is some logic behind it. As fans we always want to go for the TD on 4th and goal from the 2 yd line. Sometimes taking the 3 points is the right play.

A decision can be right even if the result is bad

That's accurate.

Going for it is the right decision there even if the result had been bad,
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