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This game is on Pat Shumur

BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 10:56 pm
I donít want to hear the injuries excuse. You play to win the game. This guy is absolutely terrible. His play calling is mind boggling. The fact that some of you people believe heís the best person for team is scary.
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It's going to turn into a Jim Zorn situation  
dpinzow : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
if the players decide at some point not to listen to him
RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?


you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield
RE: Golden Tate  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14623412 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Our only playmaker right now on offense with a Rookie QB.

Pat Shurmur coaches a stalemate until the 4tjh quarter and Iíve didnít coach his players up for a game we all thought was going to be blood bath from the first snap.

This is not a Pat Shurmur problem.


Bullshit it was 14-14 with 3 mins left in the 2nd quarter. This wasnít a bloodbath. It turned into a massacre once Shurmur realized we were playing a football game. But I look forward to his post game of him saying we played a great game
Heís coaching scared  
GiantTuff1 : 10/10/2019 11:14 pm : link
with bubble wrap on Jones. Why not have the kid take off once or twice on the RPO? Let him loose.

Not going for it on 4 and 2 was so stupid. Defense was on the field for 40 min and was starting to bend hard.

I do like how the team plays hard for him though.
Shurmur sucks  
broadbandz : 10/10/2019 11:14 pm : link
if you're backing this dude, you're into losing.
RE: Heís coaching scared  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14623441 GiantTuff1 said:
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with bubble wrap on Jones. Why not have the kid take off once or twice on the RPO? Let him loose.

Not going for it on 4 and 2 was so stupid. Defense was on the field for 40 min and was starting to bend hard.

I do like how the team plays hard for him though.


I see you have no clue what an RPO is.
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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:16 pm : link
This forum is so use to losing you keep making excuses for this team. Itís the roster, itís the refs, itís the weather, itís the good team at home.
I guess I'm a BBI veteran,  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2019 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14623328 BeckShepEli said:
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Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events
and I think you have every right to create a thread like this. But 1) I disagree with you and I have every right to say so, and 2) other guys have a right to disagree with you, too.
Takes time  
djstat : 10/10/2019 11:17 pm : link
To rebuild and oh btw were missing Barkley, Gallman, Engram and Shep. You knuckleheads really expect them to sign a RB Monday who could have helped? This team played hard and stayed competitive. Jones is ready to win some games. Had an off night in tough winds but kept the team in it. Defense made some plays but ran out of gas.

This franchise is on the right track. Some of you have no patience and no clue
Lost this game due to innumerable reasons, but  
eclipz928 : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
yet to hear anyone place any blame on Daniel Jones. Obviously the expectations we have for a rookie QB aren't high . . . but he was pretty bad tonight.
RE: I guess I'm a BBI veteran,  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14623463 81_Great_Dane said:
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Classic BBI veterans bitching like always that only certain threads can be made. Probably the same idiots who tell people to sit down at sporting events

and I think you have every right to create a thread like this. But 1) I disagree with you and I have every right to say so, and 2) other guys have a right to disagree with you, too.


I can dig that
RE: Shurmur sucks  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14623445 broadbandz said:
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if you're backing this dude, you're into losing.
Haven't made up my mind on Shurmur yet. Not backing him, not blaming him. But "This game is on Pat Shurmur"???
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?



you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield


You realize that the wind was behind their back for two quarters, right?
We lose regardless who is coaching  
Saquads Barkley : 10/10/2019 11:22 pm : link
But having said that, I just dont think Shurmur is a good HC. He will get another year for sure. Hope I'm wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
nygiants16 : 10/10/2019 11:22 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?



you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield



You realize that the wind was behind their back for two quarters, right?


it doesnt matter, it is still hard to throw
RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:23 pm : link
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if you're backing this dude, you're into losing.

Haven't made up my mind on Shurmur yet. Not backing him, not blaming him. But "This game is on Pat Shurmur"???


Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half. Offensive plays have been extremely plain and cautious with DJ. Eli did more bootlegs in 2 games than DJ has done in 3 games. Let the kid do what he does best. Take the training wheels off
Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:23 pm : link
and that's saying something.
A lot of coaching genius here  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/10/2019 11:24 pm : link
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RE: Has he coached other than the browns and the two  
montanagiant : 10/10/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14623407 Gmen1982 said:
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Shitty giants teams? Even BB couldnít win in these situations.

So true, yet so lost on so many
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
broadbandz : 10/10/2019 11:26 pm : link
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and that's saying something.


completely agree. sad some in this thread are giving credit because the team hasnt quit? wtf is that the standard now? just mind numbing.
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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
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and that's saying something.



completely agree. sad some in this thread are giving credit because the team hasnt quit? wtf is that the standard now? just mind numbing.


Like I said a lot of people on this thread and board are use to losing. We are a losing team so they are okay with the results. They are okay with the product that Shurmur and Dave G offer us.
RE: RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BlackLight : 10/10/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14623547 BeckShepEli said:
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Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half.


Nonsense. The offense was driving until Jones threw that INT. They weren't flat.
shouldn't have cut Tanney  
madgiantscow009 : 10/10/2019 11:31 pm : link
that's on Shumur.
I don't even like Shurmur but this is a rediculous stance  
PatersonPlank : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
We went into NE without Barkley, EE, Gallman, and Shepard. What did you expect Shurmur to do, he had to play the 3rd string guys.

What team has a good 3rd team RB? We battled, thats all you could ask.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
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Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half.



Nonsense. The offense was driving until Jones threw that INT. They weren't flat.


Oh okay we must have two different games
Did  
Ike#88 : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
not like the screen pass call late in the game which had no chance of success and punting in the 4th on 4th and 2. The team played hard and made too many mistakes. Need to see a win next game to feel that anything was gained by tonight's effort.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Shurmur sucks  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
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Thatís correct Dane thanks for agreeing. But seriously 21-14 at halftime and this team came out flat in the 2nd half.



Nonsense. The offense was driving until Jones threw that INT. They weren't flat.



Oh okay we must have two different games


Watched two different games*
We're decimated by injuries...  
bw in dc : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.
You are what your record says you are  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
Pat is a good football man but it is really starting to seem like he is not head coaching material.

After he gets canned by the Giants, he will likely go back to be an OC and have some good years.

Giants were not winning this game regardless tonight. But Shurmur's use of timeouts just showed he can't think quickly on his feet.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's on Shurmur for horrible and gutless play calling  
montanagiant : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps



the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?

3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.

Seriously.



How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?



you realize they are playing in 25 mph winds and against the best secondary in the nfl? kind of hard to throw downfield



You realize that the wind was behind their back for two quarters, right?

That will still effect throws Ank
Pat Shurmur  
Football Giants : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
Definitely had fault in this game but it wasn't all on him. However, I do not think he is the future
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
Danny Kanell : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14623548 Go Terps said:
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and that's saying something.


Agreed
RE: We're decimated by injuries...  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14623624 bw in dc said:
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in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.


This is the guy who is use to losing. Youíre saying we were losing this game before we played it. The patriots offense didnít play great tonight. The giants were in this game and down by 7 in the 4th quarter. Stop with the we were in NE bullshit. We had a chance to win this game and we didnít
RE: Trick plays..  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14623386 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't fire anyone up. Against good teams they backfire.

fucking idiot


Thanks for your great wisdom.
RE: Possibly the worst coach in the NFL,  
WillVAB : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14623548 Go Terps said:
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and that's saying something.


I tend to agree but I donít think heís that bad. Definitely below average.

Too many head scratching calls offensively. I donít think they ever tried to attack the middle of the field.

Didnít like a bunch of in game decisions. Defense wasnít perfect but showed up.
Pointing at Shurmur  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
way past idiotic.

Blocked punt, Hilliman's fumble, Jenkins falling alseep on the last long pass to Edelman.

No Barkley, Shepard, or Engram and they were in the hgame until the 4th quarter.
Shrumur isn't the answer.  
St. Jimmy : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
He is an offensive coordinator who is head coach. He is always attempting to react to the game. He is never ahead of the game. Another John Mara dud of a head coach.
RE: Pointing at Shurmur  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14623670 bc4life said:
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way past idiotic.

Blocked punt, Hilliman's fumble, Jenkins falling alseep on the last long pass to Edelman.

No Barkley, Shepard, or Engram and they were in the hgame until the 4th quarter.


Another poster who is use to losing. Blaming this on injuries.
RE: We lose regardless who is coaching  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14623535 Saquads Barkley said:
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But having said that, I just dont think Shurmur is a good HC. He will get another year for sure. Hope I'm wrong.


I think the team has to show progress for him to stay.

He might have to win 7 games to stay. Maybe 6 if the team is competitive in the losses. Anything less than that and he is very likely gone.



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BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
17-38 as a NFL Football Coach
worst thing about a tough loss  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:41 pm : link
is the idiot fest that comes after it
RE: worst thing about a tough loss  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:43 pm : link
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is the idiot fest that comes after it


Classic post that brings no insight. Loser
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Vanzetti : 10/10/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14623684 BeckShepEli said:
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17-38 as a NFL Football Coach


Yes, but all 38 losses were on the players.

Didn't you read the brilliant post about coaches don't tackle, coches don't throw interceptions?


So Shurmur is really 17-0.

RE: RE: We're decimated by injuries...  
bw in dc : 10/10/2019 11:46 pm : link
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in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.



This is the guy who is use to losing. Youíre saying we were losing this game before we played it. The patriots offense didnít play great tonight. The giants were in this game and down by 7 in the 4th quarter. Stop with the we were in NE bullshit. We had a chance to win this game and we didnít


Actually, the Patriots haven't really played great offense all year. They have been decimated by key OL injuries from the start of the year. But that would presume you watch games, follow the rest of the league, and, more importantly, understand the game.

And a lot of teams have chances to beat the Patriots. But they don't either. And a lot of those teams are healthier than us and have better coaching.

So tell me. Do you believe in Santa Claus, too?

The question..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:49 pm : link
to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
RE: RE: RE: We're decimated by injuries...  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:50 pm : link
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in New England against the greatest HC and, arguably, the greatest QB with a rookie QB...and the focus is on Shurmur.

Brilliant.



This is the guy who is use to losing. Youíre saying we were losing this game before we played it. The patriots offense didnít play great tonight. The giants were in this game and down by 7 in the 4th quarter. Stop with the we were in NE bullshit. We had a chance to win this game and we didnít



Actually, the Patriots haven't really played great offense all year. They have been decimated by key OL injuries from the start of the year. But that would presume you watch games, follow the rest of the league, and, more importantly, understand the game.

And a lot of teams have chances to beat the Patriots. But they don't either. And a lot of those teams are healthier than us and have better coaching.

So tell me. Do you believe in Santa Claus, too?


Easter Bunny, Santa and the leprechaun. Keep making excuses BW youíre a loser so I can see why.
I think the Shurm is a basically mediocre head coach.  
cosmicj : 10/10/2019 11:52 pm : link
We have enough data to know what he is.

The decision to retain him in 2020 should have absolutely nothing to do with him and his record. It should depend on whether there is an alternative outside the organization that could be a leading NFL coach.

I know Mara wonít look at it that way. But he should.
RE: The question..  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14623758 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to ask the OP is a simple one:

Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?


Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coachís Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
Ha..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2019 11:53 pm : link
Andy Reid wins this game with a banged up roster, but can't win a playoff game with a stacked one.

Try again, Ace.
RE: Ha..  
BeckShepEli : 10/10/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14623789 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Andy Reid wins this game with a banged up roster, but can't win a playoff game with a stacked one.

Try again, Ace.


Andy Reid is a regular season coach and we all know it. I like how you had no answers for the other 4 guys. A smart NFL Coach will find a way to win this game. He will call the game around a rookie QB and find a way to win
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