I don’t want to hear the injuries excuse. You play to win the game. This guy is absolutely terrible. His play calling is mind boggling. The fact that some of you people believe he’s the best person for team is scary.
on injuries to critical offensive players and Bethea. Yes, Bethea. He didn't think I would key on him tonight. I have his number and he should just clean out his locker back home and call AARP.
Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
I like Shurmur as a QB coach...not so much as a HC Â
play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.
I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
Thanks Man!
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Not to start any trouble here but this thread is really bad. Not even funny bad. This is 'lack of football knowledge bad' if you are blaming Shurmur for this loss.
-If I started this thread, I'd delete it and do not respond when other posters bring this thread up years from now. Change your BBI user name too. Good luck.
Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
Rationalize with me for a second.
And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
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And on Gettleman for actually thinking Hilliman could play meaningful snaps
the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?
3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.
Seriously.
How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?
Going for it on 4th down there, with our offense as constituted, is something a moron would do.
So, less screen passes to useless RB and more of them to covered and mostly useless WRs. Got it. You have a boner for Slayton but the reality is he's a GOOD 4th WR. That's all. Kid has talent and has a lot to learn.
Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
Rationalize with me for a second.
And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
To be honest. Before the game started I had no confidence. As the game was being played and we tied it up 14-14 and even 21-14 in the 4th quarter I felt like we could win this game. But that’s me just being honest. I can see why people weren’t confident but watching this game and how everything was playing out and the face that it wasn’t 35-3 at halftime yeah I thought we had a chance
play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.
I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
Thanks Man!
FMIC up BWAsS
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Not to start any trouble here but this thread is really bad. Not even funny bad. This is 'lack of football knowledge bad' if you are blaming Shurmur for this loss.
-If I started this thread, I'd delete it and do not respond when other posters bring this thread up years from now. Change your BBI user name too. Good luck.
Thanks I was worried what you were thinking about this thread. Now I can sleep in peace. Safe to assume you’re okay with Shurmur? You’re okay with losing? Thanks for the feedback though.
Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
Rationalize with me for a second.
And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
To be honest. Before the game started I had no confidence. As the game was being played and we tied it up 14-14 and even 21-14 in the 4th quarter I felt like we could win this game. But that’s me just being honest. I can see why people weren’t confident but watching this game and how everything was playing out and the face that it wasn’t 35-3 at halftime yeah I thought we had a chance
BW let me throw it back to you. Nothing to do with this thread. Did you think we were going to beat the patriots in super bowl 42? The reason why I ask and this thread has nothing to do with it but we play 1 game to win and if things fall the right way you could win the game and tonight we missed on a few of those key moments.
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
He made one of the dumbest decisions ever in the SB with the game on the line and a completely healthy team. You think with this decimated Offensive he would have won this?
Holy crap, he was on the 2-yard line with the game in hand and the most powerful RB in the NFL and blew it...BLEW IT!!
He made one of the dumbest decisions ever in the SB with the game on the line and a completely healthy team. You think with this decimated Offensive he would have won this?
Holy crap, he was on the 2-yard line with the game in hand and the most powerful RB in the NFL and blew it...BLEW IT!!
Poor Pete will always be remember by one play(rightfully so)
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
Oh please don’t give credit to our head coach because the patriots made mistakes. We hired Pat Shurmur to fix this offense. He has not done that. I get it we have a rookie QB and before that it was Eli’s fault. In the last 3 games we have 0 offensive points in the 2nd half. You can’t win football games with those stats.
That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
Oh please don’t give credit to our head coach because the patriots made mistakes. We hired Pat Shurmur to fix this offense. He has not done that. I get it we have a rookie QB and before that it was Eli’s fault. In the last 3 games we have 0 offensive points in the 2nd half. You can’t win football games with those stats.
Oh really? The Giants scored more than 30 points exactly 0 times from 2015 to 2017. Three straight seasons. The first season with Shurmur the Giants scored more than 30 points 4 times with Eli Manning at QB. Zero times in three seasons prior, he comes in with a new offense and does it 4 times. And one time this year in his rookie QB's first game.
Pat Shurmur runs a GREAT offense. You still need good players to execute any offense. The Giants are not going to execute at a high level against excellent competition when the most recognizable talent on offense is a 31 year old Golden Tate and a rookie QB who is still learning.
For you to pass judgement 3 games into a rookie QB's season is so fucking arrogant it's just absurd. Don't be such a fucking dumbfuck and exercise some amount of patience, and have a couple of neurons fire giving you the consciousness that, hey, it might take a half a season or maybe even an entire season before a rookie QB can begin to run an offense at a high level, FFS. Fucking clown show in here right now.
Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
You're throwing around "idiots" at other posters when you've exposed yourself as a complete fucking twit in this thread.
Here's a suggestion...post less...A LOT LESS. You should read A LOT from smart posters here, soak that stuff in, then maybe you'll be able to string several words together on this forum that doesn't make you look like a complete dumbfuck. Good luck.
That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.
This is true, but the point is he's clearly a disaster as a coach. Fucking guy quit on the game tonight. They could fire his ass tonight and the net affect could only be positive.
for the Giants "staying in the game" until late? James fucking Bettcher is the defensive coordinator. Do you realize that up until late in the 2nd quarter, the defense had held the Tom Brady Patriot offense to ONE touchdown, AND had scored a TD itself essentially erasing that one TD it had allowed. Sure the offense didn't have any weapons to work with but people are acting as though Shurmur did anything good whatsoever. He didn't. The offense was awful. The offense made one nice play all night (the long TD to Tate) and just because of that everyone wants to blow Shurmur and talk about "oh wow just amazing that the offense actually had a good play against the legendary Bill Belichick defense, so impressive."
Don't get me wrong I'm very proud of this team for coming into this essentially unwinnable game and fighting to stay in it right up until the very end. But give that credit to the players who understandably came into this game treating it like it was their personal 2019 super bowl. What player with any sort of competitive bone in his body wouldn't have treated it that way?
I didn't expect them to come away with a win. But to talk about Pat Shurmur as though he did anything good tonight whatsoever beyond just be the bare minimum of an NFL coach is insane. He had nothing to work with on offense, and he did nothing with it. He delivered the expected status quo in that regard. BUT-- then he also made a lot of questionable and flat out bad calls that anyone with any sort of understanding of football knows were bad calls.
Seriously, how do you not go for it on that 4th and 2? I know we're beating a dead horse, but that horse has to be beaten until it dies about 25 more times. What the hell was he thinking? 4th and 2, down 2 TDs, 7:30 left in the game. There was still a sliver of hope they could have come back but instead he just punted it away as if he was making sure to give Brady plenty of time to drive down the field and cover the spread.
Name 1 player on giants offense tonight that NE was scared of ? Â
That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.
This is true, but the point is he's clearly a disaster as a coach. Fucking guy quit on the game tonight. They could fire his ass tonight and the net affect could only be positive.
You’re not going to beat the pats if you give up a blocked punt TD. Not sure if you blame stupor or Dixon ST coach or Shurmur. but it was a costly error
And still not be satisfied with how he does things. I thought a subtle thing was taking the timeout with 2:40 left in the first half... yes, you want to try to get the ball back, but you’re playing the patriots. They were kind of running the ball ad bleeding the clock a little bit and as soon as we called timeout it was “oh you’re calling timeout? Fuck you were going to score a td now” and that’s exactly what happened.
I think I would have let things flow a little bit there-maybe they were content to just run it and settle for a field goal until we stopped the clock. I also didn’t like the quick snaps against a HOF coach with arguably his best defense ever so far. That, rushing the plays before the end of the third to keep the wind... I don’t think any coach would have stood much of a chance tonight, but I don’t think Shurmur has shown that he’s your answer. And I was a huge Shurmur defender up until the Eagle loss last year where he refused to give the ball to Barkley.
I agree that he never seems ahead of the game he’s completely by the book. I can’t explain it but he has no feel. At least that’s what it seems like. I know we weren’t moving the ball tonight, our offense was basically shut down, but taking a little more time to run plays might have given us a better shot and kept our d off the field for a few more minutes instead of quick snapping so we could punt right away. It was head scratching all night there. I don’t think it was Shurmurs fault but you might have had a better chance with a better coach.
on one individual. It's not how football works. And while sometimes there is a pivotal play that ends a game, last night was far from an example of that. We lost to a much better team.
one of these posts is “terrible play caller” guy is an OC not a head coach. Well part of what an OC does (usually) is call plays. So what your saying then is he’s a really bad coach win shouldn’t be employed at all.
I think he’s a better HC then OC - and that’s the problem here. He’s trying to do both jobs and it’s not working. He needs to turn everything over to Shula and run the whole team. It can work with a more seasoned team, but not here.
Shurmur and the team did well. But that punt decision on 4th and 2 with 8 minutes left makes me fear for his job. The players gave it everything they had to that point against the best team in football and he waves the white flag when it’s still 28-14. I wonder if some of the players are thinking that coach doesn’t give them 100% opportunity to win games
And still not be satisfied with how he does things. I thought a subtle thing was taking the timeout with 2:40 left in the first half... yes, you want to try to get the ball back, but you’re playing the patriots. They were kind of running the ball ad bleeding the clock a little bit and as soon as we called timeout it was “oh you’re calling timeout? Fuck you were going to score a td now” and that’s exactly what happened.
I think I would have let things flow a little bit there-maybe they were content to just run it and settle for a field goal until we stopped the clock. I also didn’t like the quick snaps against a HOF coach with arguably his best defense ever so far. That, rushing the plays before the end of the third to keep the wind... I don’t think any coach would have stood much of a chance tonight, but I don’t think Shurmur has shown that he’s your answer. And I was a huge Shurmur defender up until the Eagle loss last year where he refused to give the ball to Barkley.
I agree that he never seems ahead of the game he’s completely by the book. I can’t explain it but he has no feel. At least that’s what it seems like. I know we weren’t moving the ball tonight, our offense was basically shut down, but taking a little more time to run plays might have given us a better shot and kept our d off the field for a few more minutes instead of quick snapping so we could punt right away. It was head scratching all night there. I don’t think it was Shurmurs fault but you might have had a better chance with a better coach.
+1 Hated that TO, they were still in it at that point but they poked the bear and paid for it. I don't like PS as a HC but to blame him for that loss is beyond stupid, there was NFW they were winning that game, Little Bill doesn't lose to rookie QBs at home!
The punt on 4th and 2 was a bad call but this team played hard. We had nothing on O all game. WRs were not open, everything was contested and DJ had some great throws and some not so great throws. The players made some boneheaded plays too though and that is what cost us the game.
Stupar couldnt block on the punt. He now sucks at everything.
Peppers missed on a critical tackle on 3rd down. In games like this those little things matter and your top players have to step up.
Jenkins with the Hold for no reason.
Golden with the personal Foul, yes it should have been both ways but the last guy usually gets called.
Slayton didn't go to get the ball on the long pass, he waited for the ball to come to him and was looking for a flag. A little effort gets him a catch or a penalty. This is a good learning point for him to see on tape, you need to go after it. He is going to be a good one if he can learn to attack the ball and had a pretty good game overall.
The Giants are probably going to win 4-6 games this year Â
How do you justify having an NFL HC that wins 33% of the time going forward. The Giants need to find a good coach like the Colts, Rams, Bears & 49ers have. It's not easy. Very few people are good at this job.
To rebuild and oh btw were missing Barkley, Gallman, Engram and Shep. You knuckleheads really expect them to sign a RB Monday who could have helped? This team played hard and stayed competitive. Jones is ready to win some games. Had an off night in tough winds but kept the team in it. Defense made some plays but ran out of gas.
This franchise is on the right track. Some of you have no patience and no clue
These BS excuses. I remember the Giant's in '07 winning a SB without a Tiki Barber playing in his prime; with back-up TE when Shockey broke his leg. 2 pro bowlers. And yea who's fault is it that Perkins; a one time starter got cut and you didn't have a 3rd string back?
his team will be prepared and play hard but when it comes down to him making the right decision at the right moment...
holy cow. Reid took an awful franchise and made them into a championship contender. Then he was fired went to another team and made them into a championship contender. So he’s just like Shurmur. Uh-huh.
When behind coaches try to extend the game as long as possible. With 8 minutes left a lot can happen (though some may be wishful thinking). Turnovers, muffed punts, etal.
If the Giants fail to get the first down and turn over the ball in their own territory, the game is essentially over.
You may not agree with the decision, but there is some logic behind it. As fans we always want to go for the TD on 4th and goal from the 2 yd line. Sometimes taking the 3 points is the right play.
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Yes, but all 38 losses were on the players.
Didn't you read the brilliant post about coaches don't tackle, coches don't throw interceptions?
So Shurmur is really 17-0.
You’re right. I read all the time on this board that the coaches win the games and players/weather/refs lose it
McVay could beat the Pats what - just last season, right?
And Payton? Please.
Were those coaches going to somehow will WR's to get separation and squeeze the very best out of Hilliman?
This game wasn't lost by coaching. We had a punt blocked for a TD, 3 INT's and a fumble returned for a TD. That's on Shurmur?
And you are giving bw shit? Fucking moron
I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
Thanks Man!
FMIC up BWAsS
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Let's see if he gives the game time play calling to Shula.
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play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.
I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
Thanks Man!
FMIC up BWAsS
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Not to start any trouble here but this thread is really bad. Not even funny bad. This is 'lack of football knowledge bad' if you are blaming Shurmur for this loss.
-If I started this thread, I'd delete it and do not respond when other posters bring this thread up years from now. Change your BBI user name too. Good luck.
Rationalize with me for a second.
And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
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the fuck else were they supposed to do/call?
3rd string RB, 1 healthy WR worth a shit.
Seriously.
How about going for it on fourth down? How about not putting Rhett fucking Ellison on an island? How about throwing more shots at Slayton downfield? How about getting away from the screen passes to a completely useless RB?
Going for it on 4th down there, with our offense as constituted, is something a moron would do.
So, less screen passes to useless RB and more of them to covered and mostly useless WRs. Got it. You have a boner for Slayton but the reality is he's a GOOD 4th WR. That's all. Kid has talent and has a lot to learn.
The shit you're complaining about, unbelievable.
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Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
Rationalize with me for a second.
And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
To be honest. Before the game started I had no confidence. As the game was being played and we tied it up 14-14 and even 21-14 in the 4th quarter I felt like we could win this game. But that’s me just being honest. I can see why people weren’t confident but watching this game and how everything was playing out and the face that it wasn’t 35-3 at halftime yeah I thought we had a chance
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play the Patriots he scored 3 points on a neutral sight. And almost his entire team was healthy.
I just checked Amazon. There are great buys for "Football for Dummies". So let me know you're address and I can send a few in the series. My treat.
Thanks Man!
FMIC up BWAsS
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Not to start any trouble here but this thread is really bad. Not even funny bad. This is 'lack of football knowledge bad' if you are blaming Shurmur for this loss.
-If I started this thread, I'd delete it and do not respond when other posters bring this thread up years from now. Change your BBI user name too. Good luck.
Thanks I was worried what you were thinking about this thread. Now I can sleep in peace. Safe to assume you’re okay with Shurmur? You’re okay with losing? Thanks for the feedback though.
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Glad you two idiots are saying McVay, Reid and Carroll couldn’t beat William and Thomas because 1 game. Makes sense. Found some books on amazon “blow Shurmur all night” let me know your addresses I’ll send it both of yours way. My treat fellas
Rationalize with me for a second.
And try to be honest, do you really think we had the horses to win a 60 minute game against the best coach and best QB (arguably) in the history of the sport?
To be honest. Before the game started I had no confidence. As the game was being played and we tied it up 14-14 and even 21-14 in the 4th quarter I felt like we could win this game. But that’s me just being honest. I can see why people weren’t confident but watching this game and how everything was playing out and the face that it wasn’t 35-3 at halftime yeah I thought we had a chance
BW let me throw it back to you. Nothing to do with this thread. Did you think we were going to beat the patriots in super bowl 42? The reason why I ask and this thread has nothing to do with it but we play 1 game to win and if things fall the right way you could win the game and tonight we missed on a few of those key moments.
Or the fact that our three best playmakers were out?
I have to say Haley looked good wraping guys up. And Zo looked good. This game gave me hope that a core may be there.
We still suck tho. And while Pat may not be a savior or even a fixture, this loss was beyond his paygrade.
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to ask the OP is a simple one:
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
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to ask the OP is a simple one:
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
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to ask the OP is a simple one:
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
Holy crap, he was on the 2-yard line with the game in hand and the most powerful RB in the NFL and blew it...BLEW IT!!
Holy crap, he was on the 2-yard line with the game in hand and the most powerful RB in the NFL and blew it...BLEW IT!!
Poor Pete will always be remember by one play(rightfully so)
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to ask the OP is a simple one:
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
Oh please don’t give credit to our head coach because the patriots made mistakes. We hired Pat Shurmur to fix this offense. He has not done that. I get it we have a rookie QB and before that it was Eli’s fault. In the last 3 games we have 0 offensive points in the 2nd half. You can’t win football games with those stats.
You're the smartest worst poster here.
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to ask the OP is a simple one:
Does a different coach come away with a win tonight? If that answer is no - and it damn well should be, then how do you put the blame on Shurmur for the loss?
Yes Sean McVay, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Sean Payton come away with wins. Reverse coach’s Bill and Shurmur giants win this game. So yes a different coach would win this game tonight.
I think you ought to look at those coaches' combined record against the Patriots.
Fair point it’s not pretty. Mr Man in Charlotte asked a question and in a 1 game situation I think one of those 4 could have won tonight. That’s all.
Ok, let me understand what you are saying. So if one of those 4 could have won tonight then that means 3 could have lost just like Shurmur did tonight. And you claim Shurmur is a bad coach since he lost this game then the other 3 coachs that could lost are bad coachs also. This was a very tough game for the GMEN to win with all the injuries and even without the injuries it would have been tough. You even was surprised that the GMEN was still in it till the mid 4Q. Who was coaching the GMEN at that time? Shurmur did a hell of a lot with what he had tonight. Sure he has a lot to go but as long as we see improvement thats all we want for now.
Oh please don’t give credit to our head coach because the patriots made mistakes. We hired Pat Shurmur to fix this offense. He has not done that. I get it we have a rookie QB and before that it was Eli’s fault. In the last 3 games we have 0 offensive points in the 2nd half. You can’t win football games with those stats.
Oh really? The Giants scored more than 30 points exactly 0 times from 2015 to 2017. Three straight seasons. The first season with Shurmur the Giants scored more than 30 points 4 times with Eli Manning at QB. Zero times in three seasons prior, he comes in with a new offense and does it 4 times. And one time this year in his rookie QB's first game.
Pat Shurmur runs a GREAT offense. You still need good players to execute any offense. The Giants are not going to execute at a high level against excellent competition when the most recognizable talent on offense is a 31 year old Golden Tate and a rookie QB who is still learning.
For you to pass judgement 3 games into a rookie QB's season is so fucking arrogant it's just absurd. Don't be such a fucking dumbfuck and exercise some amount of patience, and have a couple of neurons fire giving you the consciousness that, hey, it might take a half a season or maybe even an entire season before a rookie QB can begin to run an offense at a high level, FFS. Fucking clown show in here right now.
You're throwing around "idiots" at other posters when you've exposed yourself as a complete fucking twit in this thread.
Here's a suggestion...post less...A LOT LESS. You should read A LOT from smart posters here, soak that stuff in, then maybe you'll be able to string several words together on this forum that doesn't make you look like a complete dumbfuck. Good luck.
This is true, but the point is he's clearly a disaster as a coach. Fucking guy quit on the game tonight. They could fire his ass tonight and the net affect could only be positive.
Don't get me wrong I'm very proud of this team for coming into this essentially unwinnable game and fighting to stay in it right up until the very end. But give that credit to the players who understandably came into this game treating it like it was their personal 2019 super bowl. What player with any sort of competitive bone in his body wouldn't have treated it that way?
I didn't expect them to come away with a win. But to talk about Pat Shurmur as though he did anything good tonight whatsoever beyond just be the bare minimum of an NFL coach is insane. He had nothing to work with on offense, and he did nothing with it. He delivered the expected status quo in that regard. BUT-- then he also made a lot of questionable and flat out bad calls that anyone with any sort of understanding of football knows were bad calls.
Seriously, how do you not go for it on that 4th and 2? I know we're beating a dead horse, but that horse has to be beaten until it dies about 25 more times. What the hell was he thinking? 4th and 2, down 2 TDs, 7:30 left in the game. There was still a sliver of hope they could have come back but instead he just punted it away as if he was making sure to give Brady plenty of time to drive down the field and cover the spread.
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That Shurmur is a good coach, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he could have steered the Giants to a win tonight even if he'd been bitten by a radioactive Bill Walsh prior to the game.
This is true, but the point is he's clearly a disaster as a coach. Fucking guy quit on the game tonight. They could fire his ass tonight and the net affect could only be positive.
*effect*, and wrong again, clueless.
I agree.
I think I would have let things flow a little bit there-maybe they were content to just run it and settle for a field goal until we stopped the clock. I also didn’t like the quick snaps against a HOF coach with arguably his best defense ever so far. That, rushing the plays before the end of the third to keep the wind... I don’t think any coach would have stood much of a chance tonight, but I don’t think Shurmur has shown that he’s your answer. And I was a huge Shurmur defender up until the Eagle loss last year where he refused to give the ball to Barkley.
I agree that he never seems ahead of the game he’s completely by the book. I can’t explain it but he has no feel. At least that’s what it seems like. I know we weren’t moving the ball tonight, our offense was basically shut down, but taking a little more time to run plays might have given us a better shot and kept our d off the field for a few more minutes instead of quick snapping so we could punt right away. It was head scratching all night there. I don’t think it was Shurmurs fault but you might have had a better chance with a better coach.
I think he’s a better HC then OC - and that’s the problem here. He’s trying to do both jobs and it’s not working. He needs to turn everything over to Shula and run the whole team. It can work with a more seasoned team, but not here.
But I don't think he's a good coach at all.
I think I would have let things flow a little bit there-maybe they were content to just run it and settle for a field goal until we stopped the clock. I also didn’t like the quick snaps against a HOF coach with arguably his best defense ever so far. That, rushing the plays before the end of the third to keep the wind... I don’t think any coach would have stood much of a chance tonight, but I don’t think Shurmur has shown that he’s your answer. And I was a huge Shurmur defender up until the Eagle loss last year where he refused to give the ball to Barkley.
I agree that he never seems ahead of the game he’s completely by the book. I can’t explain it but he has no feel. At least that’s what it seems like. I know we weren’t moving the ball tonight, our offense was basically shut down, but taking a little more time to run plays might have given us a better shot and kept our d off the field for a few more minutes instead of quick snapping so we could punt right away. It was head scratching all night there. I don’t think it was Shurmurs fault but you might have had a better chance with a better coach.
+1 Hated that TO, they were still in it at that point but they poked the bear and paid for it. I don't like PS as a HC but to blame him for that loss is beyond stupid, there was NFW they were winning that game, Little Bill doesn't lose to rookie QBs at home!
You try coaching for the Browns and Giants.
Shurmur's biggest flaw as a head coach is being willing to get hired by shitty franchises.
Stupar couldnt block on the punt. He now sucks at everything.
Peppers missed on a critical tackle on 3rd down. In games like this those little things matter and your top players have to step up.
Jenkins with the Hold for no reason.
Golden with the personal Foul, yes it should have been both ways but the last guy usually gets called.
Slayton didn't go to get the ball on the long pass, he waited for the ball to come to him and was looking for a flag. A little effort gets him a catch or a penalty. This is a good learning point for him to see on tape, you need to go after it. He is going to be a good one if he can learn to attack the ball and had a pretty good game overall.
This franchise is on the right track. Some of you have no patience and no clue
These BS excuses. I remember the Giant's in '07 winning a SB without a Tiki Barber playing in his prime; with back-up TE when Shockey broke his leg. 2 pro bowlers. And yea who's fault is it that Perkins; a one time starter got cut and you didn't have a 3rd string back?
Hilliman is that bad.
If the Giants fail to get the first down and turn over the ball in their own territory, the game is essentially over.
You may not agree with the decision, but there is some logic behind it. As fans we always want to go for the TD on 4th and goal from the 2 yd line. Sometimes taking the 3 points is the right play.
A decision can be right even if the result is bad