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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/10/2019 11:11 pm
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We lost! My liver lost!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
YAY!
BBI clowns  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:13 pm : link
To blame shurmur.


This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.

Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.

Show me one to win.
Type of game that makes me just want to curse a lot  
Oscar : 10/10/2019 11:15 pm : link
And smash something. Patriots are going to get fucking torched by someone soon and Iím going to enjoy it. They have played a handful of pop warner teams so far this season, Giants included.
We fought well. We just weren't talented enough.  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:17 pm : link
And yes, Shurmur should've gone for that on fourth down. That was a horrible play call.


And if I see Hilliman take another snap I'm going to vomit. Enough is enough. He's not an NFL RB.


And get Stupar off the fucking team. And keep Tanney OFF the team.
Good game and thatís what I hoped for  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:17 pm : link
And anyone with a sane brain should have hoped for. Brighter days are ahead of us. Improvement week to week can be seen.
RE: BBI clowns  
jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14623440 BleedBlue said:
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To blame shurmur.


This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.

Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.

Show me one to win.


I don't think it's fair to blame this loss on Shurmur - but he made more mind boggling decisions tonight. Following the Parcells rule, he is what his record says he is - not a very good coach.
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jrapps : 10/10/2019 11:18 pm : link
Letís punt again.
2-4 record with a 10 day break before the next game...  
Fishmanjim57 : 10/10/2019 11:18 pm : link
at home against a weaker team then the last two opponents. Things could be worse.
I'm hoping that everyone gets healthy enough to play the Cards at home on the 20th.
If we get healthy,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.

Then again, I'm very drunk.
RE: If we get healthy,  
jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14623491 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.

Then again, I'm very drunk.


If Tom Brady weren't playing like crap for 75% of this game, they'd have lost by 4 touchdowns.

Save for Miami, I don't think anyone on the schedule is a gimme.
2-4  
Chris684 : 10/10/2019 11:20 pm : link
Mini BYE week

Arizona
@ Det
Dallas
@ Jets
BYE

Provided some offensive guys come back, I think we can get to 5-5 by the off week.
RE: If we get healthy,  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/10/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14623491 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.

Then again, I'm very drunk.


Not sure about Detroit
RE: BBI clowns  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14623440 BleedBlue said:
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To blame shurmur.


This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.

Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.

Show me one to win.


You can find tons of fault with the coach while still acknowledging we were ovet matched. His decision making, shitty game management etc. doesn't change with more talent...
We are at the point with the officiating  
BlueHurricane : 10/10/2019 11:21 pm : link
That fans need to start boycotting these games.

The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.
RE: We are at the point with the officiating  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/10/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14623531 BlueHurricane said:
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That fans need to start boycotting these games.

The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.


It's only pass interference if there's anal penetration.

BTW, Mike Pereira can just fuck right the fuck off. I've had enough of that asshole.
Shurmur didn't lose the game, and apparently he did a good job  
CT Charlie : 10/10/2019 11:23 pm : link
of helping the players believe they could win. But down 14 points with 8 minutes left, and facing a 4th and 2, he needed to HONOR THE TEAM'S EFFORT by going for it. If we don't make it, sure, we lose the game.

But giving the ball back to the Pats, with the wind, was a lame capitulation, undermining all the hard work that the team had done throughout the game.
Agree , that was illegal contact ,  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/10/2019 11:23 pm : link
Pass interference, and roughing the passer , we are lucky DJ has his knee
I didnít know replay raises the standard of PI  
Chris684 : 10/10/2019 11:24 pm : link
I thought PI was PI

What the fuck do I know!?
RE: RE: We are at the point with the officiating  
Nine-Tails : 10/10/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14623539 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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That fans need to start boycotting these games.

The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.



It's only pass interference if there's anal penetration.

BTW, Mike Pereira can just fuck right the fuck off. I've had enough of that asshole.


Hahaha, that was good. Thanks for the laugh
When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:25 pm : link
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
The Problem  
looie : 10/10/2019 11:26 pm : link
...isn't so much the schedule before the bye week, it's after. Bears, Packers, Eagles. We're not winning any of those.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
Knew they were going to lose this one

But seeing the LT and RG continually beat when we need them to be part of the long term solution is depressing
Janoris Jenkins  
Bradshaw's Decal : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
Has to go... At this point he adds nothing, he may even be a negative... Poor coverage and a lack of interest in tackleing... He should be embarrassed.
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14623563 Go Terps said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.


What are you saying... you're no fan of 3rd and long screens to Jon fucking Hilliman and the fullback?
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
section125 : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14623563 Go Terps said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.


Post of the day.....

Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
RE: If we get healthy,  
Simms11 : 10/10/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14623491 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.

Then again, I'm very drunk.


I donít think this D is going to stop Detroit, in Detroit. I donít think thatís an easy game at all. Cards may not be that easy either. Murray has shown to be the real deal and the way this secondary gives up big plays!
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
speedywheels : 10/10/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14623563 Go Terps said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.


Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
Figured  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/10/2019 11:28 pm : link
they would lose and didnít think they would be able to keep it that close.

Hard to play QB when every single pass has to be perfect.
can't believe the takeaway  
bluepepper : 10/10/2019 11:29 pm : link
here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD.
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
McNally's_Nuts : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14623563 Go Terps said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.


Lol
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jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.


No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
Kill Shurmer All You Want  
looie : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
He obviously got his team to play hard tonight in a near impossible situation. The problem isn't the coach. It's the talent level on the field. This team will win 6 games this year, maybe 7 if they're lucky. He just doesn't have enough good players.
I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
giantsFC : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.

How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?

RE: Janoris Jenkins  
section125 : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14623576 Bradshaw's Decal said:
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Has to go... At this point he adds nothing, he may even be a negative... Poor coverage and a lack of interest in tackling... He should be embarrassed.


Agree with that. Made one INT, then disappeared from the game except when committing penalties that allow Patriot drives to continue.
RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14623581 speedywheels said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Were you not alive when Handley was coach?


I was, and Shurmur's worse.
Shurmur's punt on 4th & 2 was mind-boggling  
NYerInMA : 10/10/2019 11:30 pm : link
Aside from that, the Giants were lucky to keep it as close as they did, for as long as they did. There is an enormous talent gap between these two teams, especially when the injuries are factored in. Hopefully most of those guys will be back for the next game vs. the Cardinals, I think that's a much more winnable game than tonight was.
RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14623581 speedywheels said:
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Handley was a better coach forced into a tough situation after Parcells late departure.


We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
The run defense played well  
George from PA : 10/10/2019 11:31 pm : link
And at times so did the pass defense.

This would have been a game......if we had one of our 2 rbs.
RE: can't believe the takeaway  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14623588 bluepepper said:
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here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD.



+100000

BBi is becoming a joke with these sky is falling hot takes.


I wasn't even going to watch this game that's how bad I thought the assault was going to be. Any team loses tonight. NO coach wins this game...the Giants just don't have the offensive depth to handle that amount of injuries with a rookie QB in 4th game
RE: RE: If we get healthy,  
Bluesbreaker : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14623513 jcn56 said:
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I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.

Then again, I'm very drunk.



If Tom Brady weren't playing like crap for 75% of this game, they'd have lost by 4 touchdowns.

Save for Miami, I don't think anyone on the schedule is a gimme.


Thanks Troy give Buck a hug while your at it ...
RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
giantsFC : 10/10/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14623581 speedywheels said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Were you not alive when Handley was coach?


Or for McAgoof for that matter?
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BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14623601 Go Terps said:
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.




Yea no he isn't.....


Blaming shurmur is like fat people blaming spoons. They don't help you lose weight but they aren't the reason you are fat.

Shurmur didn't help but he certainly wasn't even close to our problem to ight.


Any coach loses this game
RE: RE: can't believe the takeaway  
jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14623611 BleedBlue said:
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here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD.




+100000

BBi is becoming a joke with these sky is falling hot takes.


I wasn't even going to watch this game that's how bad I thought the assault was going to be. Any team loses tonight. NO coach wins this game...the Giants just don't have the offensive depth to handle that amount of injuries with a rookie QB in 4th game


Yeah - the problem that BBI has with Shurmur in this game isn't some of his questionable decisions and playcalls - it's the fact that he didn't win the game, shorthanded on the road in NE.

Maybe instead of reveling in how much you disagree with the 'hot takes' - you should try reading a few of those posts you keep bitching about.
No gimme's  
Bradshaw's Decal : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
For this squad... We beat 2 of the 3 teams were better than. Maybe a 6 win season tops... I wish i could be more optimistic but we have tons of holes and a rookie Qb.
Hilliman is not an NFL back  
Justlurking : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
Must be released. Sign a real back.
RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.

How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?


What??? Eli fucking sucked his rookie year until a 2 min drive in the most pointless game of the season, week 17 between two teams going nowhere...
RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
Nine-Tails : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.

How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?


So Tampa game wasnít magic for you. Jones in his first four games > Manningís first four
I knew we were outmatched, but...  
Pete in CO : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
...for a while, we were in this.
1.) impossible to win an NFL game w 4+ TOs
2.) PI in NFL has become ridiculous. Way too inconsistent.
3.) Teams are going to flush DJ out of pocket. He makes too many errors when he canít set his feet.
...enjoy the bye week, BBI.
Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
Geomon : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
3 in A row  
DavidinBMNY : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
Jones is going to win. He made it through 2 toop defenses. He is going to ball out. His weapons come back sans Shep as well.

3 in a row
RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.



RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Post of the day.....

Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.



No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?

We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
RE: Type of game that makes me just want to curse a lot  
Johnny5 : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14623454 Oscar said:
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And smash something. Patriots are going to get fucking torched by someone soon and Iím going to enjoy it. They have played a handful of pop warner teams so far this season, Giants included.

They have a an easy schedule for the next few games. Unless the Browns finally show up.
My  
AcidTest : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
thoughts:

Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.

The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.

Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.

I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.

I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.

The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.

Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.

Kudos to the defense for their grit.
RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14623632 Geomon said:
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
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section125 : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Post of the day.....

Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.


Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.

Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.

Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.

Watched plenty of  
ryanmkeane : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
Todd Bowles decisions with the Jets that went exactly the way Shurmur coached tonight. He seems like a nice guy, decently solid coordinator. But We are going nowhere as a franchise with this guy as our head coach.
RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.

How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?


Lol are you new here? Eli sucked dog dick as a rook
By the way  
Breeze_94 : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
can anyone confirm who was hurt on that 4th down play early in the 4th where Brady threw incomplete? Saw a mention on twitter that it was Carter who was injured?
at least they're looking a little closer  
fkap : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
to being competent. The ponies just aren't there, though.

We all knew they were going to lose, and probably lose big. That this was a game into the third quarter made it a fun game to watch. I never thought they were going to win, but I did start having a little hope for the future.

Still a minimum of a year away from being competitive, if all things break right.
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speedywheels : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.


No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives
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jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.




No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?

We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road


This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.

If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.

This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.
RE: By the way  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14623649 Breeze_94 said:
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can anyone confirm who was hurt on that 4th down play early in the 4th where Brady threw incomplete? Saw a mention on twitter that it was Carter who was injured?




He was back on field for TB kneels so he is fine I'm sure
Rush def was outstanding  
Carl in CT : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
We had the same yards per rush as they did with shitty backs. If not for that last long run by Michael we had a higher one. Promising for our D. 25 tackles by mayo and ogletree.
Shitty decision making, questionable  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.
Daniel Jones left the game healthy enough to practice  
GeofromNJ : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
and qb the next game. As far as I'm concerned, the game was a success.
The 2 worst players on your roster  
JoeFootball : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
Hillman and Stupar cost them 14. I'm sure they're nice guys who try hard but they need to be replaced. Thought it was the defenses most physical game by far, something to build on.
RE: My  
section125 : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14623642 AcidTest said:
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thoughts:

Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.

The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.

Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.

I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.

I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.

The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.

Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.

Kudos to the defense for their grit.


I agree with most of what you said. I disagree with the game plan being bad, they have to run a bit.
Sort of random  
AcesUp : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
And the smallest of victories, but the Giants may have a quality depth LB in Mayo. He's played pretty well imo.
Pats scored 21 points on offense  
5BowlsSoon : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
One ST td and one defensive td.

I was very pleased overall with our defense. Of course it could be better....we could tackle better.....less penalties.....but like I said, overall the defense did well. And donít forget, they were on the field much more because the offense only got 10 first downs.

As for our offense, hopefully we wonít see Hilliman anymore because Saquon and Gallman will be back. And hopefully Danny will have Engram and SS back healthy from here on out. (I doubt it though....those two are always hurt.)
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



Post of the day.....

Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.




No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?

We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road



This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.

If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.

This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.



OMG. This can't be fucking real. We are starting a ROOKIE QB. Why the fuck can't you or anyone else get that? You think that and winning happens? Show me where a rookie QB wins before his 5th game with NO weapons on offense and a young struggling defense and a very inconsistent OL. Show me....

It doesn't exist. This season isn't about winning, it's about getting Jones experience. People blaming shurmur or crying we lost arent paying attention. Giants have a very young team and one more draft and free agency with some money to spend, Giants can be a solid team next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.



Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.

Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.

Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.


Wait - he clearly put the team in position to succeed?

Please qualify that statement with something more than pot shots at Terps for not having his pom poms out and waving them frantically.
RE: RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
Geomon : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.

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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership

How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
RE: can't believe the takeaway  
Jim from Katonah : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14623588 bluepepper said:
[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot

The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.

We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnít like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ ó but it was fun while it lasted.

RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives


Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
I was pleased with this performance.  
BillT : 10/10/2019 11:41 pm : link
The defense is showing show life and if we can get Barkley back and Engram, the offense could be competitive. It's not about this year. It's about the next two.
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BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
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How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.


"Yeah rookie yea yeah"

As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
RE: I was pleased with this performance.  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
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DG  
AcidTest : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
also has to shoulder some of the blame. His FA acquisitions have been nearly as bad as his drafts have been good. Golden is an exception obviously. But Solder, Remmers, Ogletree, Stupar, Haley, Pulley, and Bethea have been bad. Stewart and Omameh as well. That's a lot of wasted money and draft picks. I'm concerned that he's not the right person to spend our cap money this offseason.
They miss Connelly  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
but I thought Mayo played better
The Patriots are a god damn machine.  
St. Jimmy : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
At halftime, I thought the Giants are in this.
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I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives



Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.


Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
RE: They miss Connelly  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:43 pm : link
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Mayo is a gamer. He's no Stupar. He actually does his job and does it well.
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Geomon : 10/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
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How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.



"Yeah rookie yea yeah"

As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out

Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.
Just get this season out of the way  
micky : 10/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
And try to keep rebuilding. A few more seasons like this and hopefully get the right pieces and coaching staff to finally, legitly contend. 2022,23 seasons can't get here soon enough
We couldn't have had a worse game to play ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
Bad enough playing the Vikings but an undermanned
short week to the undefeated Pats tough row to hoe ,,
Defense played tough all game long .
Fumble return and blocked punt you can't have that to a team
with a very good defense and an offense thats scores 30 points
a game . Mayo 13 tackles Ogletree 12 tackles . Golden
continues to play well .
Jones played like a rookie with again no running game .
Listening to that Cunt Aikman was painful . We got to a point
where it was a game listening him talk about Pats being short players was laughable and the Refs sucked beyound belief .
I still an not sold on Shurmur as a HC maybe an OC but
whatever I got a headache listening to those clowns .
Shepard & Engram being out  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:45 pm : link
showed how little seperation Tate gets.
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jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:45 pm : link
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How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.


Jones is not the problem here and if you can't blame shurmur because we were under manned then you sure as fuck cannot judge Jones in this impossible situation tonight...
Anybody trashing Jones  
VanillaVick : 10/10/2019 11:46 pm : link
Must forget watching Eli's first right games.
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How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.



"Yeah rookie yea yeah"

As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out


Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.



Minny defense is VERY good.

He is in game 4, he isn't going to be smarter with the ball this early. He is going to look bad and make a ton of mistakes. It's fucking common. IDC how he plays at all. The kid has talent and in time he is going to be very good. He is least of my worries as a Giants fan
Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
Can't wait to become a winning team again  
widmerseyebrow : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
especially if it has nothing to do with what some of you posters profess is the secret to team building.
Defense  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
is playing better. Still need help with pass rush, but they're playing better. Hopefully, when Beal comes back he can stay helathy long enough to learn something. Haley is up and down, good takler but seems lost in coverage at times

On a side note - nice non flag with McCOurty going at Jones' knees. Had that been Prince Brady - definitely a flag.
I can‚Äôt believe you guys are blaming the HC  
V.I.G. : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
No one gave these guys a chance yet:

-they played their hearts out
-without their four best offensive weapons
-With zeitler injured and/or terrible
-Latimer coming out of breaks like he’s in sand
-A practice squads RBS losing the ball
-poor clutch tackling all night by 47&41
-And the refs fucking us all game

Are you fucking kidding me???
defense played fairly well  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:48 pm : link
weakness is the LBs -
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives



Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.



Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..


Impossible, where we alive then? He took over the Super Bowl winning team, went 8-8 then 6-10. He then was replaced and Reeves immediately went 11-5 in 1993. H**dley was a disaster, and I didn't even go into all his personnel moves. The players hated him
Terps  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2019 11:50 pm : link
Your Handley/Shurmur comparison neatly elides the fact that Handley inherited a 13-3 champion and promptly ran it into the gutter at 8-8 and 6-10. Shurmur, while I agree is a lousy coach, has never had a team remotely as talented as those Giants. You can get your point across without making such a specious comparison.
No one is saying Shurmur is the reason for the loss  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:52 pm : link
What we are saying is that he fucking quit on the game. He also punted on 4th and 5 twice in NE territory. His game management is pathetic. How does he face his fucking team after that last punt?

And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?
play calling/time outs and all that stuff  
bluepepper : 10/10/2019 11:53 pm : link
fans always bitch about when a team loses. That and the officiating. Shurmur is probably average at these things but he has little talent right now and so loses a lot of games which makes him seem worse.
If Handley knew when to call a timeout or when to punt, he was better  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:54 pm : link
The bar to pass Shurmur is at ground level.
Well, kind of tough for Terps here  
jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:54 pm : link
He said Shurmur's the worst he's seen, and someone brought up Handley.

Handley had better players but a vastly better record than Shurmur. Shurmur's record was mud before he got here, and it's basically been the same (his 2 years in Cle - 3-13, 5-11 - last year, 5-11).

He boasts a career .315 winning percentage. It's possible that he's just another career OC who doesn't have what it takes to be a HC.
I want to congratulate the Patriots  
Prude : 10/10/2019 11:55 pm : link
For their ability to make Giants' receiver play with 1 arm all night withouy drawing a flag, even in slow-mo replay. Really incredible performance.
RE: I want to congratulate the Patriots  
V.I.G. : 10/10/2019 11:57 pm : link
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Agreed
Like I said on the other thread  
WillVAB : 10/10/2019 11:59 pm : link
Shurmur is a shittier version of Norv Turner.
bottom line  
Big_N : 10/10/2019 11:59 pm : link
Eli wins this game tonight.
On game day threads  
joeinpa : 10/11/2019 12:00 am : link
Both in game and post, several posters would do well to step away from their laptops, phones, etc. before hitting ďsubmitĒ.

You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.

Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.

How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?
Not really seeing how shurmur is any type of upgrade  
Giantfan21 : 10/11/2019 12:02 am : link
from mcadoofus who everyone wanted run out of town . It's not just about his game. Shurmurs playcalling and use of personnel has been questionable since he got here to go along with his decision making on when to use TO/ when to go for it on 4th down vs punting/when to challenge etc
Vikings had the answer  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 12:03 am : link
and BB saw it. Bringing a delayed ILB blitz on 3rd and long will negate DJ running ,,,a and after that you just have a qb with inconsistent reading ability and throwing behind receivers and picks
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Tom in NY : 10/11/2019 12:03 am : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





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I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives



Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.



Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..


Handley was given a SB winning team, with 2 NFL caliber QBs, and the best NYG in the history of the franchise. He then proceeded to alienate the players, asst. coaches, media, and eventually the GM/Owners. Additionally, his offensive game plans were ponderous...and that's being kind.
Don't ever compare what Shurmur was handed with what Handley was given.
RE: bottom line  
Tom in NY : 10/11/2019 12:05 am : link
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BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.
Shurmur is a long way from being the worst  
bluepepper : 10/11/2019 12:06 am : link
The guy we had in 91 and 92 was not only the worst in Giants history but among the worst in NFL history. Didn't have the players attention much less their respect. They had tons of talent, veteran leadership and good assistants who carried them to 8-8 one year before the next year's debacle. He was in over his head. Not even his fault - it was the GM's for hiring him and the not canning him after year one when it was obvious.
RE: Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2019 12:06 am : link
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It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.

The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
RE: RE: Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense  
uconngiant : 10/11/2019 12:08 am : link
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It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.

+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.

The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.




They were on the field the entire night or did you miss that. Just curious if you didn't comprehend that
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/11/2019 12:11 am : link
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BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.


That's a trolly troll troll.
Is it supposed to be a point in their favor  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2019 12:11 am : link
That they couldn't get a stop and get off the field to save their lives? Interesting argument.
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Big_N : 10/11/2019 12:13 am : link
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BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.


Yea and if he did it would have been on 3 TD throws and not not interceptions
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HomerJones45 : 10/11/2019 12:16 am : link
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That they couldn't get a stop and get off the field to save their lives? Interesting argument.
Incredible that someone would even throw that bullshit argument out there. They were "great" because the Pats offense churned out 27 first downs, 450 yards of offense and that included a 9 minute drive when Nugent clanged a FG off the upright.
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Big_N : 10/11/2019 12:16 am : link
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It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.

+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.

The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.





They were on the field the entire night or did you miss that. Just curious if you didn't comprehend that


D played much better than expected / only positive
RE: Shurmur is a long way from being the worst  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 12:21 am : link
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OK great ... shurmur is only second worst coach in giant history.
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BeckShepEli : 10/11/2019 12:29 am : link
34 points in the last 3 games. 0 offensive points in the 2nd half the last 3 games. This offense isnít clicking.
RE: bottom line  
Nine-Tails : 10/11/2019 12:33 am : link
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Dude Eli's dick is so far into you that you see it from your ass
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Big_N : 10/11/2019 12:37 am : link
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Dude Eli's dick is so far into you that you see it from your ass


I don't know what that is that you're saying there but, it just sounds wrong and um this team sucks and so does Jones and so does Shurmur. And you know it.
RE: RE: can't believe the takeaway  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 12:50 am : link
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[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot

The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.

We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnít like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ ó but it was fun while it lasted.


Why only second year? Curious how your math adds up.
RE: RE: We are at the point with the officiating  
Festina Lente : 10/11/2019 1:40 am : link
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That fans need to start boycotting these games.

The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.



It's only pass interference if there's anal penetration.

BTW, Mike Pereira can just fuck right the fuck off. I've had enough of that asshole.


:) Thanks for making me laugh
RE: Like I said on the other thread  
santacruzom : 10/11/2019 2:07 am : link
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Shurmur is a shittier version of Norv Turner.


Not a bad comparison.

I just watched him answer a question about punting on 4th and 2 with, "I thought it was the right thing to do," followed by a facial expression that inspires absolutely no confidence whatsoever.
RE: Shitty decision making, questionable  
Optimus-NY : 10/11/2019 4:57 am : link
In comment 14623664 jvm52106 said:
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calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.


Excellent post. I think that's how you evaluate a HC in a rebuilding phase. He gets until the end of 2020 to show improvement. As of now, the arrow is pointing down. I wonder of they consider Matt Rhule in the future?
RE: RE: RE: bottom line  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/11/2019 5:52 am : link
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Eli wins this game tonight.



BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.



Yea and if he did it would have been on 3 TD throws and not not interceptions


Go back to your cave you troll
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
jvm52106 : 10/11/2019 6:34 am : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives



Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.



Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..



Handley was given a SB winning team, with 2 NFL caliber QBs, and the best NYG in the history of the franchise. He then proceeded to alienate the players, asst. coaches, media, and eventually the GM/Owners. Additionally, his offensive game plans were ponderous...and that's being kind.
Don't ever compare what Shurmur was handed with what Handley was given.


You clearly aren't looking at the big picture. 1) Handley was given the team late in the off season after a SB win.
2) The defensive guys wanted BB and the GM basically made sure that didnt happen.
3) The Giants stars were aging rapidly.
4) Hoss vs Simms wasn't helping the situation either.
5) SB hangover on team with all the stuff mentioned above.
RE: RE: Shitty decision making, questionable  
jcn56 : 10/11/2019 7:12 am : link
In comment 14623956 Optimus-NY said:
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calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.



Excellent post. I think that's how you evaluate a HC in a rebuilding phase. He gets until the end of 2020 to show improvement. As of now, the arrow is pointing down. I wonder of they consider Matt Rhule in the future?


People have to pay close attention to the role a coach plays in the rebuilding process.

These guys are an integral component of talent acquisition and roster building. They're the ones closest to the players and evaluating their play. They're the ones specifying the scheme and asking for specific skills. They're the ones who put players into position on the field, who are then asked to execute and measured for performance.

If the coaches are no good - the talent will be flawed at best.

If these guys are the wrong guys - and nothing they've done to date should indicate otherwise - giving them until 2020 just means you're pushing back the end date on when the team might return to respectability (and that doesn't mean Super Bowl, it means games in December that mean more than draft positioning).
RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
BlueHurricane : 10/11/2019 7:15 am : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.

How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?


Holy shit. Eli rookie magic? WTF are you talking about. At this point in Eli's rookie year he was getting his shit pushed in on a weekly basis.
RE: Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense  
micky : 10/11/2019 7:27 am : link
In comment 14623745 Greg from LI said:
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It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.


Spot on about the defense.
my take  
giantfan2000 : 10/11/2019 7:27 am : link
it was mystifying play calling
you have a relentless pass rush and no running game and
I think only one screen was called the whole night

the one successful run was a slant toward the outside rather than up the middle
once again that was only called once .. no other time did Shurmur try to attack that area.

4 and 2 down 14 with less than 8 minutes to play and a gassed defense .. you HAVE to go for it .

Why have PI review if you are not going to call it !!!

Defense there are some problems but they came to play - No Defense can keep you in the game if Offense is not sustaining drives and turning the ball over.

Danny Diimes now have film on him so Coaches can plan . that is why his INT are shooting up.. part of rookie learning curb and expected


RE: On game day threads  
joe48 : 10/11/2019 8:05 am : link
In comment 14623815 joeinpa said:
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Both in game and post, several posters would do well to step away from their laptops, phones, etc. before hitting ďsubmitĒ.

You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.

Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.

How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?
Agree 100%. Some of the comments show how some folks are just clueless.
Sad That the Giants Fans  
Jeffrey : 10/11/2019 8:39 am : link
have come to debating whether the current coach is worse than a prior coach from 26 years ago. Guess it speaks to the current state of the team. Holes everywhere. Coaching a big part of the problem for sure, but in fairness you can only work with what you've got and this coach has been given very little help from the front office. Wasting a small fortune on Solder who was bad last year and worse this year. Not spending available cap money to try and bring in a veteran RB for the last couple of games after wasting money on J Stewart last year. Remmers, a slight upgrade. Bethea smart but too slow to make up for rookie mistakes. Golden Tate--signed to an expensive contract with a suspension pending and showing signs of being diva-like to replace the ultimate diva. Haley--there's a reason he was not drafted. It's a complete mess for a kid like Jones, Barkley, Engram to try to develop. I just hope it's fixed before injuries take their toll on some of these younger players.
RE: RE: On game day threads  
stoneman : 10/11/2019 8:49 am : link
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Both in game and post, several posters would do well to step away from their laptops, phones, etc. before hitting ďsubmitĒ.

You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.

Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.

How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?

Agree 100%. Some of the comments show how some folks are just clueless.


+1
Both NE (Brady) and KC (Mahomes) for that matter had some bad plays this week, it happens. People only critique bad plays and forget the good plays (there were some).
RE: Is it supposed to be a point in their favor  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14623845 Greg from LI said:
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That they couldn't get a stop and get off the field to save their lives? Interesting argument.


No offense, but isn't this strange timing to make this comment?

They got 4 stops last night. The D didn't play stellar by any stretch, and in better weather, Brady likely torches them for a couple long TD's, but to act like they didn't get any stops when they did several times last night is strange.
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arcarsenal : 10/11/2019 9:11 am : link
I actually came away feeling pretty positive about the game last night. I didn't feel like the score was really indicative of how competitive the Giants were.

The offense was just too undermanned. This Patriots defense is legitimately good. We were down to our 3rd RB - a guy from Rutgers who really has no business getting significant work in NFL games. We were without Shepard. No Engram. The offense was just overmatched. We couldn't establish the run, Jones made some rookie mistakes. It was easy to see the game eventually getting away from us like it did.

I went into that assuming we'd not even be competitive. I thought we'd get wiped off the field. I was really impressed with the way this defense played against a pretty damn good team in a building that's tougher to win in than any other.

The blown coverages and missed assignments are becoming less of an issue. We're getting some pass rush... Markus Golden has been fantastic.

I think DeAndre Baker is getting significantly better each week. Dexter Lawrence is a fucking load. Peppers still makes mistakes, takes some bad angles and his tackling sucks - but I think he's been playing better.

Mayo actually made a few nice plays - I liked some of what I saw from him.

The coach still hasn't figured out how to challenge - he keeps challenging things that he's not going to get overturned. Even though I think he had an actual case on that Edelman catch, you have to understand that they just don't overturn that stuff. It's a waste of a timeout. He also keeps wasting challenges on stuff like PI that they aren't going to change.

Given the state of the offense, I really never saw this as a winnable game. I hate 'moral victories' but we did have the ball in the 4th in a one score game which I think most people would have said 'no chance' to before it started - I know I would have.

Happy with a lot of what I saw from the defense.

We didn't lose because of Shurmur, but I'm definitely becoming pretty convinced that he's just not a HC. The team is playing hard for him, I generally think he's a good offensive coach... but the in-game stuff leaves a lot to be desired.

10 days to prepare for a game we can and should win against the Cardinals. I want to see this team respond with a win. Not take a step backwards and struggle against a crappy team at home.
Still high on Jones  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/11/2019 9:11 am : link
mistakes were made, want to see him grow from this. Still see the accuracy, decision making has to improve.
Don't compare Shurmur to Handley.  
FStubbs : 10/11/2019 9:15 am : link
... thanks McAdoo for making us not censor H*****y anymore.

But come on. Handley took a Superbowl winner and went 8-8 and 6-10. Reeves took the aging fumes from that crater and immediately went 11-5, then followed it up with a 9-7 season with Dave Brown at QB.

You put Handley on this team and the Giants would be 0-6. Put Shurmur's completely unimpressive mediocre coaching on the 1991 Giants and they make the playoffs.
RE: RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
giantsFC : 10/11/2019 11:04 am : link
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.







The face I made when I saw your handle name. It happens. Opinions and all. 🤷‍♀️
RE: Rush def was outstanding  
gridirony : 10/11/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14623663 Carl in CT said:
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We had the same yards per rush as they did with shitty backs. If not for that last long run by Michael we had a higher one. Promising for our D. 25 tackles by mayo and ogletree.


25 tackles on 82 NE offensive plays. I'd rather see about half the tackles on half as many plays.
RE: No one is saying Shurmur is the reason for the loss  
Big_N : 10/13/2019 7:59 am : link
In comment 14623782 Go Terps said:
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What we are saying is that he fucking quit on the game. He also punted on 4th and 5 twice in NE territory. His game management is pathetic. How does he face his fucking team after that last punt?

And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?

Everyone and his decision to punt. It was a good decision. The only way youíre getting back in that game is on a last second fluke turnover. The only way! Giants look like a college football team on D with piss poor tackling.

Rather than risk getting totally humiliated he punted. What would you do if you converted anyway? Throw another int; fumble the ball with practice squad running back or gain another two yards and punt again?
Big N  
mittenedman : 10/13/2019 8:13 am : link
That is fucking loser talk.

You convert, score. Get a stop and score again.

It doesnít matter if you think itís likely or not. Its the only correct strategy.
RE: Big N  
Big_N : 10/13/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14626313 mittenedman said:
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That is fucking loser talk.

You convert, score. Get a stop and score again.

It doesnít matter if you think itís likely or not. Its the only correct strategy.


What makes you such an expert? Coughlin wouldn't have gone for it.

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