And smash something. Patriots are going to get fucking torched by someone soon and Im going to enjoy it. They have played a handful of pop warner teams so far this season, Giants included.
This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.
Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.
Show me one to win.
I don't think it's fair to blame this loss on Shurmur - but he made more mind boggling decisions tonight. Following the Parcells rule, he is what his record says he is - not a very good coach.
at home against a weaker team then the last two opponents. Things could be worse.
I'm hoping that everyone gets healthy enough to play the Cards at home on the 20th.
This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.
Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.
Show me one to win.
You can find tons of fault with the coach while still acknowledging we were ovet matched. His decision making, shitty game management etc. doesn't change with more talent...
of helping the players believe they could win. But down 14 points with 8 minutes left, and facing a 4th and 2, he needed to HONOR THE TEAM'S EFFORT by going for it. If we don't make it, sure, we lose the game.
But giving the ball back to the Pats, with the wind, was a lame capitulation, undermining all the hard work that the team had done throughout the game.
Has to go... At this point he adds nothing, he may even be a negative... Poor coverage and a lack of interest in tackleing... He should be embarrassed.
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.
Then again, I'm very drunk.
I dont think this D is going to stop Detroit, in Detroit. I dont think thats an easy game at all. Cards may not be that easy either. Murray has shown to be the real deal and the way this secondary gives up big plays!
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD.
RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
He obviously got his team to play hard tonight in a near impossible situation. The problem isn't the coach. It's the talent level on the field. This team will win 6 games this year, maybe 7 if they're lucky. He just doesn't have enough good players.
Aside from that, the Giants were lucky to keep it as close as they did, for as long as they did. There is an enormous talent gap between these two teams, especially when the injuries are factored in. Hopefully most of those guys will be back for the next game vs. the Cardinals, I think that's a much more winnable game than tonight was.
RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD.
+100000
BBi is becoming a joke with these sky is falling hot takes.
I wasn't even going to watch this game that's how bad I thought the assault was going to be. Any team loses tonight. NO coach wins this game...the Giants just don't have the offensive depth to handle that amount of injuries with a rookie QB in 4th game
here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD.
+100000
BBi is becoming a joke with these sky is falling hot takes.
I wasn't even going to watch this game that's how bad I thought the assault was going to be. Any team loses tonight. NO coach wins this game...the Giants just don't have the offensive depth to handle that amount of injuries with a rookie QB in 4th game
Yeah - the problem that BBI has with Shurmur in this game isn't some of his questionable decisions and playcalls - it's the fact that he didn't win the game, shorthanded on the road in NE.
Maybe instead of reveling in how much you disagree with the 'hot takes' - you should try reading a few of those posts you keep bitching about.
For this squad... We beat 2 of the 3 teams were better than. Maybe a 6 win season tops... I wish i could be more optimistic but we have tons of holes and a rookie Qb.
...for a while, we were in this.
1.) impossible to win an NFL game w 4+ TOs
2.) PI in NFL has become ridiculous. Way too inconsistent.
3.) Teams are going to flush DJ out of pocket. He makes too many errors when he cant set his feet.
...enjoy the bye week, BBI.
Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball
And smash something. Patriots are going to get fucking torched by someone soon and Im going to enjoy it. They have played a handful of pop warner teams so far this season, Giants included.
They have a an easy schedule for the next few games. Unless the Browns finally show up.
Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.
The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.
Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.
I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.
I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.
The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.
Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.
Kudos to the defense for their grit.
RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Post of the day.....
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.
Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.
Todd Bowles decisions with the Jets that went exactly the way Shurmur coached tonight. He seems like a nice guy, decently solid coordinator. But We are going nowhere as a franchise with this guy as our head coach.
can anyone confirm who was hurt on that 4th down play early in the 4th where Brady threw incomplete? Saw a mention on twitter that it was Carter who was injured?
to being competent. The ponies just aren't there, though.
We all knew they were going to lose, and probably lose big. That this was a game into the third quarter made it a fun game to watch. I never thought they were going to win, but I did start having a little hope for the future.
Still a minimum of a year away from being competitive, if all things break right.
RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Post of the day.....
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?
We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.
If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.
This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.
can anyone confirm who was hurt on that 4th down play early in the 4th where Brady threw incomplete? Saw a mention on twitter that it was Carter who was injured?
He was back on field for TB kneels so he is fine I'm sure
We had the same yards per rush as they did with shitty backs. If not for that last long run by Michael we had a higher one. Promising for our D. 25 tackles by mayo and ogletree.
calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.
Daniel Jones left the game healthy enough to practice
Hillman and Stupar cost them 14. I'm sure they're nice guys who try hard but they need to be replaced. Thought it was the defenses most physical game by far, something to build on.
Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.
The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.
Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.
I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.
I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.
The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.
Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.
Kudos to the defense for their grit.
I agree with most of what you said. I disagree with the game plan being bad, they have to run a bit.
I was very pleased overall with our defense. Of course it could be better....we could tackle better.....less penalties.....but like I said, overall the defense did well. And dont forget, they were on the field much more because the offense only got 10 first downs.
As for our offense, hopefully we wont see Hilliman anymore because Saquon and Gallman will be back. And hopefully Danny will have Engram and SS back healthy from here on out. (I doubt it though....those two are always hurt.)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Post of the day.....
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?
We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.
If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.
This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.
OMG. This can't be fucking real. We are starting a ROOKIE QB. Why the fuck can't you or anyone else get that? You think that and winning happens? Show me where a rookie QB wins before his 5th game with NO weapons on offense and a young struggling defense and a very inconsistent OL. Show me....
It doesn't exist. This season isn't about winning, it's about getting Jones experience. People blaming shurmur or crying we lost arent paying attention. Giants have a very young team and one more draft and free agency with some money to spend, Giants can be a solid team next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Post of the day.....
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.
Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.
Wait - he clearly put the team in position to succeed?
Please qualify that statement with something more than pot shots at Terps for not having his pom poms out and waving them frantically.
RE: RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball
Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
In comment 14623588 bluepepper said:
[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot
The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.
We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnt like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ but it was fun while it lasted.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
The defense is showing show life and if we can get Barkley back and Engram, the offense could be competitive. It's not about this year. It's about the next two.
RE: RE: RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball
Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
"Yeah rookie yea yeah"
As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
The defense is showing show life and if we can get Barkley back and Engram, the offense could be competitive. It's not about this year. It's about the next two.
also has to shoulder some of the blame. His FA acquisitions have been nearly as bad as his drafts have been good. Golden is an exception obviously. But Solder, Remmers, Ogletree, Stupar, Haley, Pulley, and Bethea have been bad. Stewart and Omameh as well. That's a lot of wasted money and draft picks. I'm concerned that he's not the right person to spend our cap money this offseason.
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
"Yeah rookie yea yeah"
As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.
And try to keep rebuilding. A few more seasons like this and hopefully get the right pieces and coaching staff to finally, legitly contend. 2022,23 seasons can't get here soon enough
Bad enough playing the Vikings but an undermanned
short week to the undefeated Pats tough row to hoe ,,
Defense played tough all game long .
Fumble return and blocked punt you can't have that to a team
with a very good defense and an offense thats scores 30 points
a game . Mayo 13 tackles Ogletree 12 tackles . Golden
continues to play well .
Jones played like a rookie with again no running game .
Listening to that Cunt Aikman was painful . We got to a point
where it was a game listening him talk about Pats being short players was laughable and the Refs sucked beyound belief .
I still an not sold on Shurmur as a HC maybe an OC but
whatever I got a headache listening to those clowns .
Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
Jones is not the problem here and if you can't blame shurmur because we were under manned then you sure as fuck cannot judge Jones in this impossible situation tonight...
Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
"Yeah rookie yea yeah"
As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.
Minny defense is VERY good.
He is in game 4, he isn't going to be smarter with the ball this early. He is going to look bad and make a ton of mistakes. It's fucking common. IDC how he plays at all. The kid has talent and in time he is going to be very good. He is least of my worries as a Giants fan
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
is playing better. Still need help with pass rush, but they're playing better. Hopefully, when Beal comes back he can stay helathy long enough to learn something. Haley is up and down, good takler but seems lost in coverage at times
On a side note - nice non flag with McCOurty going at Jones' knees. Had that been Prince Brady - definitely a flag.
-they played their hearts out
-without their four best offensive weapons
-With zeitler injured and/or terrible
-Latimer coming out of breaks like he’s in sand
-A practice squads RBS losing the ball
-poor clutch tackling all night by 47&41
-And the refs fucking us all game
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Impossible, where we alive then? He took over the Super Bowl winning team, went 8-8 then 6-10. He then was replaced and Reeves immediately went 11-5 in 1993. H**dley was a disaster, and I didn't even go into all his personnel moves. The players hated him
Your Handley/Shurmur comparison neatly elides the fact that Handley inherited a 13-3 champion and promptly ran it into the gutter at 8-8 and 6-10. Shurmur, while I agree is a lousy coach, has never had a team remotely as talented as those Giants. You can get your point across without making such a specious comparison.
No one is saying Shurmur is the reason for the loss
What we are saying is that he fucking quit on the game. He also punted on 4th and 5 twice in NE territory. His game management is pathetic. How does he face his fucking team after that last punt?
And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?
fans always bitch about when a team loses. That and the officiating. Shurmur is probably average at these things but he has little talent right now and so loses a lot of games which makes him seem worse.
If Handley knew when to call a timeout or when to punt, he was better
He said Shurmur's the worst he's seen, and someone brought up Handley.
Handley had better players but a vastly better record than Shurmur. Shurmur's record was mud before he got here, and it's basically been the same (his 2 years in Cle - 3-13, 5-11 - last year, 5-11).
He boasts a career .315 winning percentage. It's possible that he's just another career OC who doesn't have what it takes to be a HC.
from mcadoofus who everyone wanted run out of town . It's not just about his game. Shurmurs playcalling and use of personnel has been questionable since he got here to go along with his decision making on when to use TO/ when to go for it on 4th down vs punting/when to challenge etc
and BB saw it. Bringing a delayed ILB blitz on 3rd and long will negate DJ running ,,,a and after that you just have a qb with inconsistent reading ability and throwing behind receivers and picks
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Handley was given a SB winning team, with 2 NFL caliber QBs, and the best NYG in the history of the franchise. He then proceeded to alienate the players, asst. coaches, media, and eventually the GM/Owners. Additionally, his offensive game plans were ponderous...and that's being kind.
Don't ever compare what Shurmur was handed with what Handley was given.
The guy we had in 91 and 92 was not only the worst in Giants history but among the worst in NFL history. Didn't have the players attention much less their respect. They had tons of talent, veteran leadership and good assistants who carried them to 8-8 one year before the next year's debacle. He was in over his head. Not even his fault - it was the GM's for hiring him and the not canning him after year one when it was obvious.
RE: Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
RE: RE: Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
They were on the field the entire night or did you miss that. Just curious if you didn't comprehend that
That they couldn't get a stop and get off the field to save their lives? Interesting argument.
Incredible that someone would even throw that bullshit argument out there. They were "great" because the Pats offense churned out 27 first downs, 450 yards of offense and that included a 9 minute drive when Nugent clanged a FG off the upright.
RE: RE: RE: Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
They were on the field the entire night or did you miss that. Just curious if you didn't comprehend that
D played much better than expected / only positive
The guy we had in 91 and 92 was not only the worst in Giants history but among the worst in NFL history. Didn't have the players attention much less their respect. They had tons of talent, veteran leadership and good assistants who carried them to 8-8 one year before the next year's debacle. He was in over his head. Not even his fault - it was the GM's for hiring him and the not canning him after year one when it was obvious.
OK great ... shurmur is only second worst coach in giant history.
Dude Eli's dick is so far into you that you see it from your ass
I don't know what that is that you're saying there but, it just sounds wrong and um this team sucks and so does Jones and so does Shurmur. And you know it.
In comment 14623588 bluepepper said:
[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot
The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.
We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnt like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ but it was fun while it lasted.
Why only second year? Curious how your math adds up.
I just watched him answer a question about punting on 4th and 2 with, "I thought it was the right thing to do," followed by a facial expression that inspires absolutely no confidence whatsoever.
calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.
Excellent post. I think that's how you evaluate a HC in a rebuilding phase. He gets until the end of 2020 to show improvement. As of now, the arrow is pointing down. I wonder of they consider Matt Rhule in the future?
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Handley was given a SB winning team, with 2 NFL caliber QBs, and the best NYG in the history of the franchise. He then proceeded to alienate the players, asst. coaches, media, and eventually the GM/Owners. Additionally, his offensive game plans were ponderous...and that's being kind.
Don't ever compare what Shurmur was handed with what Handley was given.
You clearly aren't looking at the big picture. 1) Handley was given the team late in the off season after a SB win.
2) The defensive guys wanted BB and the GM basically made sure that didnt happen.
3) The Giants stars were aging rapidly.
4) Hoss vs Simms wasn't helping the situation either.
5) SB hangover on team with all the stuff mentioned above.
calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.
Excellent post. I think that's how you evaluate a HC in a rebuilding phase. He gets until the end of 2020 to show improvement. As of now, the arrow is pointing down. I wonder of they consider Matt Rhule in the future?
People have to pay close attention to the role a coach plays in the rebuilding process.
These guys are an integral component of talent acquisition and roster building. They're the ones closest to the players and evaluating their play. They're the ones specifying the scheme and asking for specific skills. They're the ones who put players into position on the field, who are then asked to execute and measured for performance.
If the coaches are no good - the talent will be flawed at best.
If these guys are the wrong guys - and nothing they've done to date should indicate otherwise - giving them until 2020 just means you're pushing back the end date on when the team might return to respectability (and that doesn't mean Super Bowl, it means games in December that mean more than draft positioning).
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
it was mystifying play calling
you have a relentless pass rush and no running game and
I think only one screen was called the whole night
the one successful run was a slant toward the outside rather than up the middle
once again that was only called once .. no other time did Shurmur try to attack that area.
4 and 2 down 14 with less than 8 minutes to play and a gassed defense .. you HAVE to go for it .
Why have PI review if you are not going to call it !!!
Defense there are some problems but they came to play - No Defense can keep you in the game if Offense is not sustaining drives and turning the ball over.
Danny Diimes now have film on him so Coaches can plan . that is why his INT are shooting up.. part of rookie learning curb and expected
have come to debating whether the current coach is worse than a prior coach from 26 years ago. Guess it speaks to the current state of the team. Holes everywhere. Coaching a big part of the problem for sure, but in fairness you can only work with what you've got and this coach has been given very little help from the front office. Wasting a small fortune on Solder who was bad last year and worse this year. Not spending available cap money to try and bring in a veteran RB for the last couple of games after wasting money on J Stewart last year. Remmers, a slight upgrade. Bethea smart but too slow to make up for rookie mistakes. Golden Tate--signed to an expensive contract with a suspension pending and showing signs of being diva-like to replace the ultimate diva. Haley--there's a reason he was not drafted. It's a complete mess for a kid like Jones, Barkley, Engram to try to develop. I just hope it's fixed before injuries take their toll on some of these younger players.
Both in game and post, several posters would do well to step away from their laptops, phones, etc. before hitting submit.
You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.
Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.
How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?
Agree 100%. Some of the comments show how some folks are just clueless.
+1
Both NE (Brady) and KC (Mahomes) for that matter had some bad plays this week, it happens. People only critique bad plays and forget the good plays (there were some).
That they couldn't get a stop and get off the field to save their lives? Interesting argument.
No offense, but isn't this strange timing to make this comment?
They got 4 stops last night. The D didn't play stellar by any stretch, and in better weather, Brady likely torches them for a couple long TD's, but to act like they didn't get any stops when they did several times last night is strange.
I actually came away feeling pretty positive about the game last night. I didn't feel like the score was really indicative of how competitive the Giants were.
The offense was just too undermanned. This Patriots defense is legitimately good. We were down to our 3rd RB - a guy from Rutgers who really has no business getting significant work in NFL games. We were without Shepard. No Engram. The offense was just overmatched. We couldn't establish the run, Jones made some rookie mistakes. It was easy to see the game eventually getting away from us like it did.
I went into that assuming we'd not even be competitive. I thought we'd get wiped off the field. I was really impressed with the way this defense played against a pretty damn good team in a building that's tougher to win in than any other.
The blown coverages and missed assignments are becoming less of an issue. We're getting some pass rush... Markus Golden has been fantastic.
I think DeAndre Baker is getting significantly better each week. Dexter Lawrence is a fucking load. Peppers still makes mistakes, takes some bad angles and his tackling sucks - but I think he's been playing better.
Mayo actually made a few nice plays - I liked some of what I saw from him.
The coach still hasn't figured out how to challenge - he keeps challenging things that he's not going to get overturned. Even though I think he had an actual case on that Edelman catch, you have to understand that they just don't overturn that stuff. It's a waste of a timeout. He also keeps wasting challenges on stuff like PI that they aren't going to change.
Given the state of the offense, I really never saw this as a winnable game. I hate 'moral victories' but we did have the ball in the 4th in a one score game which I think most people would have said 'no chance' to before it started - I know I would have.
Happy with a lot of what I saw from the defense.
We didn't lose because of Shurmur, but I'm definitely becoming pretty convinced that he's just not a HC. The team is playing hard for him, I generally think he's a good offensive coach... but the in-game stuff leaves a lot to be desired.
10 days to prepare for a game we can and should win against the Cardinals. I want to see this team respond with a win. Not take a step backwards and struggle against a crappy team at home.
... thanks McAdoo for making us not censor H*****y anymore.
But come on. Handley took a Superbowl winner and went 8-8 and 6-10. Reeves took the aging fumes from that crater and immediately went 11-5, then followed it up with a 9-7 season with Dave Brown at QB.
You put Handley on this team and the Giants would be 0-6. Put Shurmur's completely unimpressive mediocre coaching on the 1991 Giants and they make the playoffs.
We had the same yards per rush as they did with shitty backs. If not for that last long run by Michael we had a higher one. Promising for our D. 25 tackles by mayo and ogletree.
25 tackles on 82 NE offensive plays. I'd rather see about half the tackles on half as many plays.
RE: No one is saying Shurmur is the reason for the loss
What we are saying is that he fucking quit on the game. He also punted on 4th and 5 twice in NE territory. His game management is pathetic. How does he face his fucking team after that last punt?
And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?
Everyone and his decision to punt. It was a good decision. The only way youre getting back in that game is on a last second fluke turnover. The only way! Giants look like a college football team on D with piss poor tackling.
Rather than risk getting totally humiliated he punted. What would you do if you converted anyway? Throw another int; fumble the ball with practice squad running back or gain another two yards and punt again?
This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.
Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.
Show me one to win.
And if I see Hilliman take another snap I'm going to vomit. Enough is enough. He's not an NFL RB.
And get Stupar off the fucking team. And keep Tanney OFF the team.
This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.
Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.
Show me one to win.
I don't think it's fair to blame this loss on Shurmur - but he made more mind boggling decisions tonight. Following the Parcells rule, he is what his record says he is - not a very good coach.
I'm hoping that everyone gets healthy enough to play the Cards at home on the 20th.
Then again, I'm very drunk.
Then again, I'm very drunk.
If Tom Brady weren't playing like crap for 75% of this game, they'd have lost by 4 touchdowns.
Save for Miami, I don't think anyone on the schedule is a gimme.
Arizona
@ Det
Dallas
@ Jets
BYE
Provided some offensive guys come back, I think we can get to 5-5 by the off week.
Then again, I'm very drunk.
Not sure about Detroit
This decimated is insane. The fact it was a game was amazing.
Show me a coach this decimated with a rookie QB on road vs #1 d unbeaten Pat's with the goat at QB and no defense of his own.
Show me one to win.
You can find tons of fault with the coach while still acknowledging we were ovet matched. His decision making, shitty game management etc. doesn't change with more talent...
The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.
The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.
It's only pass interference if there's anal penetration.
BTW, Mike Pereira can just fuck right the fuck off. I've had enough of that asshole.
But giving the ball back to the Pats, with the wind, was a lame capitulation, undermining all the hard work that the team had done throughout the game.
What the fuck do I know!?
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That fans need to start boycotting these games.
The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.
It's only pass interference if there's anal penetration.
BTW, Mike Pereira can just fuck right the fuck off. I've had enough of that asshole.
Hahaha, that was good. Thanks for the laugh
But seeing the LT and RG continually beat when we need them to be part of the long term solution is depressing
What are you saying... you're no fan of 3rd and long screens to Jon fucking Hilliman and the fullback?
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
Then again, I'm very drunk.
I dont think this D is going to stop Detroit, in Detroit. I dont think thats an easy game at all. Cards may not be that easy either. Murray has shown to be the real deal and the way this secondary gives up big plays!
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
Hard to play QB when every single pass has to be perfect.
Lol
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?
Agree with that. Made one INT, then disappeared from the game except when committing penalties that allow Patriot drives to continue.
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Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
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Handley was a better coach forced into a tough situation after Parcells late departure.
We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
This would have been a game......if we had one of our 2 rbs.
+100000
BBi is becoming a joke with these sky is falling hot takes.
I wasn't even going to watch this game that's how bad I thought the assault was going to be. Any team loses tonight. NO coach wins this game...the Giants just don't have the offensive depth to handle that amount of injuries with a rookie QB in 4th game
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I think we're going to beat Zona & Detroit before Dallas on MNF on 11/4. They played hard tonight against the probable Super Bowl favorite.
Then again, I'm very drunk.
If Tom Brady weren't playing like crap for 75% of this game, they'd have lost by 4 touchdowns.
Save for Miami, I don't think anyone on the schedule is a gimme.
Thanks Troy give Buck a hug while your at it ...
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Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
Or for McAgoof for that matter?
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
Yea no he isn't.....
Blaming shurmur is like fat people blaming spoons. They don't help you lose weight but they aren't the reason you are fat.
Shurmur didn't help but he certainly wasn't even close to our problem to ight.
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+100000
BBi is becoming a joke with these sky is falling hot takes.
I wasn't even going to watch this game that's how bad I thought the assault was going to be. Any team loses tonight. NO coach wins this game...the Giants just don't have the offensive depth to handle that amount of injuries with a rookie QB in 4th game
Yeah - the problem that BBI has with Shurmur in this game isn't some of his questionable decisions and playcalls - it's the fact that he didn't win the game, shorthanded on the road in NE.
Maybe instead of reveling in how much you disagree with the 'hot takes' - you should try reading a few of those posts you keep bitching about.
How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?
What??? Eli fucking sucked his rookie year until a 2 min drive in the most pointless game of the season, week 17 between two teams going nowhere...
How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?
So Tampa game wasnt magic for you. Jones in his first four games > Mannings first four
1.) impossible to win an NFL game w 4+ TOs
2.) PI in NFL has become ridiculous. Way too inconsistent.
3.) Teams are going to flush DJ out of pocket. He makes too many errors when he cant set his feet.
...enjoy the bye week, BBI.
3 in a row
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?
We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
They have a an easy schedule for the next few games. Unless the Browns finally show up.
Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.
The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.
Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.
I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.
I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.
The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.
Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.
Kudos to the defense for their grit.
First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.
Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.
How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?
Lol are you new here? Eli sucked dog dick as a rook
We all knew they were going to lose, and probably lose big. That this was a game into the third quarter made it a fun game to watch. I never thought they were going to win, but I did start having a little hope for the future.
Still a minimum of a year away from being competitive, if all things break right.
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?
We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.
If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.
This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.
He was back on field for TB kneels so he is fine I'm sure
Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.
The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.
Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.
I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.
I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.
The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.
Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.
Kudos to the defense for their grit.
I agree with most of what you said. I disagree with the game plan being bad, they have to run a bit.
I was very pleased overall with our defense. Of course it could be better....we could tackle better.....less penalties.....but like I said, overall the defense did well. And dont forget, they were on the field much more because the offense only got 10 first downs.
As for our offense, hopefully we wont see Hilliman anymore because Saquon and Gallman will be back. And hopefully Danny will have Engram and SS back healthy from here on out. (I doubt it though....those two are always hurt.)
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?
We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.
If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.
This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.
OMG. This can't be fucking real. We are starting a ROOKIE QB. Why the fuck can't you or anyone else get that? You think that and winning happens? Show me where a rookie QB wins before his 5th game with NO weapons on offense and a young struggling defense and a very inconsistent OL. Show me....
It doesn't exist. This season isn't about winning, it's about getting Jones experience. People blaming shurmur or crying we lost arent paying attention. Giants have a very young team and one more draft and free agency with some money to spend, Giants can be a solid team next year.
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.
Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.
Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.
Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.
Wait - he clearly put the team in position to succeed?
Please qualify that statement with something more than pot shots at Terps for not having his pom poms out and waving them frantically.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot
The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.
We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnt like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ but it was fun while it lasted.
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
"Yeah rookie yea yeah"
As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Mayo is a gamer. He's no Stupar. He actually does his job and does it well.
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
"Yeah rookie yea yeah"
As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.
short week to the undefeated Pats tough row to hoe ,,
Defense played tough all game long .
Fumble return and blocked punt you can't have that to a team
with a very good defense and an offense thats scores 30 points
a game . Mayo 13 tackles Ogletree 12 tackles . Golden
continues to play well .
Jones played like a rookie with again no running game .
Listening to that Cunt Aikman was painful . We got to a point
where it was a game listening him talk about Pats being short players was laughable and the Refs sucked beyound belief .
I still an not sold on Shurmur as a HC maybe an OC but
whatever I got a headache listening to those clowns .
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
Jones is not the problem here and if you can't blame shurmur because we were under manned then you sure as fuck cannot judge Jones in this impossible situation tonight...
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
"Yeah rookie yea yeah"
As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.
Minny defense is VERY good.
He is in game 4, he isn't going to be smarter with the ball this early. He is going to look bad and make a ton of mistakes. It's fucking common. IDC how he plays at all. The kid has talent and in time he is going to be very good. He is least of my worries as a Giants fan
On a side note - nice non flag with McCOurty going at Jones' knees. Had that been Prince Brady - definitely a flag.
-they played their hearts out
-without their four best offensive weapons
-With zeitler injured and/or terrible
-Latimer coming out of breaks like he’s in sand
-A practice squads RBS losing the ball
-poor clutch tackling all night by 47&41
-And the refs fucking us all game
Are you fucking kidding me???
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Impossible, where we alive then? He took over the Super Bowl winning team, went 8-8 then 6-10. He then was replaced and Reeves immediately went 11-5 in 1993. H**dley was a disaster, and I didn't even go into all his personnel moves. The players hated him
And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?
Handley had better players but a vastly better record than Shurmur. Shurmur's record was mud before he got here, and it's basically been the same (his 2 years in Cle - 3-13, 5-11 - last year, 5-11).
He boasts a career .315 winning percentage. It's possible that he's just another career OC who doesn't have what it takes to be a HC.
Agreed
You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.
Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.
How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Handley was given a SB winning team, with 2 NFL caliber QBs, and the best NYG in the history of the franchise. He then proceeded to alienate the players, asst. coaches, media, and eventually the GM/Owners. Additionally, his offensive game plans were ponderous...and that's being kind.
Don't ever compare what Shurmur was handed with what Handley was given.
BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.
The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
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It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
They were on the field the entire night or did you miss that. Just curious if you didn't comprehend that
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Eli wins this game tonight.
BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.
That's a trolly troll troll.
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Eli wins this game tonight.
BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.
Yea and if he did it would have been on 3 TD throws and not not interceptions
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It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
+1 Brady was off on a windy night and completed 75% of his passes for over 300 yards.
The Pats had so much respect for the Giants defense that they ran 7 qb sneaks. The D is not good.
They were on the field the entire night or did you miss that. Just curious if you didn't comprehend that
D played much better than expected / only positive
OK great ... shurmur is only second worst coach in giant history.
Dude Eli's dick is so far into you that you see it from your ass
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Dude Eli's dick is so far into you that you see it from your ass
I don't know what that is that you're saying there but, it just sounds wrong and um this team sucks and so does Jones and so does Shurmur. And you know it.
[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot
The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.
We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnt like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ but it was fun while it lasted.
Why only second year? Curious how your math adds up.
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That fans need to start boycotting these games.
The NFL will never make the changes that need to be made so long as us addicted fans keep turning in.
It's only pass interference if there's anal penetration.
BTW, Mike Pereira can just fuck right the fuck off. I've had enough of that asshole.
:) Thanks for making me laugh
Not a bad comparison.
I just watched him answer a question about punting on 4th and 2 with, "I thought it was the right thing to do," followed by a facial expression that inspires absolutely no confidence whatsoever.
Excellent post. I think that's how you evaluate a HC in a rebuilding phase. He gets until the end of 2020 to show improvement. As of now, the arrow is pointing down. I wonder of they consider Matt Rhule in the future?
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BS...he would have been sacked 7 or 8 times.
Yea and if he did it would have been on 3 TD throws and not not interceptions
Go back to your cave you troll
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.
Were you not alive when Handley was coach?
I was, and Shurmur's worse.
No. No hes not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know theres no getting you off one of your narratives
Not even close?
Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
Handley was given a SB winning team, with 2 NFL caliber QBs, and the best NYG in the history of the franchise. He then proceeded to alienate the players, asst. coaches, media, and eventually the GM/Owners. Additionally, his offensive game plans were ponderous...and that's being kind.
Don't ever compare what Shurmur was handed with what Handley was given.
You clearly aren't looking at the big picture. 1) Handley was given the team late in the off season after a SB win.
2) The defensive guys wanted BB and the GM basically made sure that didnt happen.
3) The Giants stars were aging rapidly.
4) Hoss vs Simms wasn't helping the situation either.
5) SB hangover on team with all the stuff mentioned above.
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calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.
Excellent post. I think that's how you evaluate a HC in a rebuilding phase. He gets until the end of 2020 to show improvement. As of now, the arrow is pointing down. I wonder of they consider Matt Rhule in the future?
People have to pay close attention to the role a coach plays in the rebuilding process.
These guys are an integral component of talent acquisition and roster building. They're the ones closest to the players and evaluating their play. They're the ones specifying the scheme and asking for specific skills. They're the ones who put players into position on the field, who are then asked to execute and measured for performance.
If the coaches are no good - the talent will be flawed at best.
If these guys are the wrong guys - and nothing they've done to date should indicate otherwise - giving them until 2020 just means you're pushing back the end date on when the team might return to respectability (and that doesn't mean Super Bowl, it means games in December that mean more than draft positioning).
How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?
Holy shit. Eli rookie magic? WTF are you talking about. At this point in Eli's rookie year he was getting his shit pushed in on a weekly basis.
Spot on about the defense.
you have a relentless pass rush and no running game and
I think only one screen was called the whole night
the one successful run was a slant toward the outside rather than up the middle
once again that was only called once .. no other time did Shurmur try to attack that area.
4 and 2 down 14 with less than 8 minutes to play and a gassed defense .. you HAVE to go for it .
Why have PI review if you are not going to call it !!!
Defense there are some problems but they came to play - No Defense can keep you in the game if Offense is not sustaining drives and turning the ball over.
Danny Diimes now have film on him so Coaches can plan . that is why his INT are shooting up.. part of rookie learning curb and expected
You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.
Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.
How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?
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Both in game and post, several posters would do well to step away from their laptops, phones, etc. before hitting submit.
You come across as clueless , emotional and or drunk with your whining.
Many of you predicted a game that would be non competitive. Yet here we were with 8 minutes remaining and the Giants with the ball.
How can you be so negative when they clearly exceeded your expert expectations?
Agree 100%. Some of the comments show how some folks are just clueless.
+1
Both NE (Brady) and KC (Mahomes) for that matter had some bad plays this week, it happens. People only critique bad plays and forget the good plays (there were some).
No offense, but isn't this strange timing to make this comment?
They got 4 stops last night. The D didn't play stellar by any stretch, and in better weather, Brady likely torches them for a couple long TD's, but to act like they didn't get any stops when they did several times last night is strange.
The offense was just too undermanned. This Patriots defense is legitimately good. We were down to our 3rd RB - a guy from Rutgers who really has no business getting significant work in NFL games. We were without Shepard. No Engram. The offense was just overmatched. We couldn't establish the run, Jones made some rookie mistakes. It was easy to see the game eventually getting away from us like it did.
I went into that assuming we'd not even be competitive. I thought we'd get wiped off the field. I was really impressed with the way this defense played against a pretty damn good team in a building that's tougher to win in than any other.
The blown coverages and missed assignments are becoming less of an issue. We're getting some pass rush... Markus Golden has been fantastic.
I think DeAndre Baker is getting significantly better each week. Dexter Lawrence is a fucking load. Peppers still makes mistakes, takes some bad angles and his tackling sucks - but I think he's been playing better.
Mayo actually made a few nice plays - I liked some of what I saw from him.
The coach still hasn't figured out how to challenge - he keeps challenging things that he's not going to get overturned. Even though I think he had an actual case on that Edelman catch, you have to understand that they just don't overturn that stuff. It's a waste of a timeout. He also keeps wasting challenges on stuff like PI that they aren't going to change.
Given the state of the offense, I really never saw this as a winnable game. I hate 'moral victories' but we did have the ball in the 4th in a one score game which I think most people would have said 'no chance' to before it started - I know I would have.
Happy with a lot of what I saw from the defense.
We didn't lose because of Shurmur, but I'm definitely becoming pretty convinced that he's just not a HC. The team is playing hard for him, I generally think he's a good offensive coach... but the in-game stuff leaves a lot to be desired.
10 days to prepare for a game we can and should win against the Cardinals. I want to see this team respond with a win. Not take a step backwards and struggle against a crappy team at home.
But come on. Handley took a Superbowl winner and went 8-8 and 6-10. Reeves took the aging fumes from that crater and immediately went 11-5, then followed it up with a 9-7 season with Dave Brown at QB.
You put Handley on this team and the Giants would be 0-6. Put Shurmur's completely unimpressive mediocre coaching on the 1991 Giants and they make the playoffs.
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Isnt going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnt have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.
The face I made when I saw your handle name. It happens. Opinions and all. 🤷♀️
25 tackles on 82 NE offensive plays. I'd rather see about half the tackles on half as many plays.
And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?
Everyone and his decision to punt. It was a good decision. The only way youre getting back in that game is on a last second fluke turnover. The only way! Giants look like a college football team on D with piss poor tackling.
Rather than risk getting totally humiliated he punted. What would you do if you converted anyway? Throw another int; fumble the ball with practice squad running back or gain another two yards and punt again?
You convert, score. Get a stop and score again.
It doesnt matter if you think its likely or not. Its the only correct strategy.
You convert, score. Get a stop and score again.
It doesnt matter if you think its likely or not. Its the only correct strategy.
What makes you such an expert? Coughlin wouldn't have gone for it.