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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/10/2019 11:11 pm
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RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/10/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.



RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.



No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?

We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road
RE: Type of game that makes me just want to curse a lot  
Johnny5 : 10/10/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14623454 Oscar said:
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And smash something. Patriots are going to get fucking torched by someone soon and Iím going to enjoy it. They have played a handful of pop warner teams so far this season, Giants included.

They have a an easy schedule for the next few games. Unless the Browns finally show up.
My  
AcidTest : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
thoughts:

Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.

The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.

Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.

I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.

I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.

The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.

Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.

Kudos to the defense for their grit.
RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14623632 Geomon said:
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.
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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership
RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
section125 : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.


Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.

Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.

Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.

Watched plenty of  
ryanmkeane : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
Todd Bowles decisions with the Jets that went exactly the way Shurmur coached tonight. He seems like a nice guy, decently solid coordinator. But We are going nowhere as a franchise with this guy as our head coach.
RE: I feel this dark ages era for Giants  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14623599 giantsFC said:
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Isnít going anywhere soon. Daniel Jones def doesnít have that Eli Manning rookie magic feel. At least yet.

How do you have this lack of RB, WR and LB talent/depth in 2019?


Lol are you new here? Eli sucked dog dick as a rook
By the way  
Breeze_94 : 10/10/2019 11:35 pm : link
can anyone confirm who was hurt on that 4th down play early in the 4th where Brady threw incomplete? Saw a mention on twitter that it was Carter who was injured?
at least they're looking a little closer  
fkap : 10/10/2019 11:36 pm : link
to being competent. The ponies just aren't there, though.

We all knew they were going to lose, and probably lose big. That this was a game into the third quarter made it a fun game to watch. I never thought they were going to win, but I did start having a little hope for the future.

Still a minimum of a year away from being competitive, if all things break right.
RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
speedywheels : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.


No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives
RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.




No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?

We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road


This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.

If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.

This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.
RE: By the way  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14623649 Breeze_94 said:
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can anyone confirm who was hurt on that 4th down play early in the 4th where Brady threw incomplete? Saw a mention on twitter that it was Carter who was injured?




He was back on field for TB kneels so he is fine I'm sure
Rush def was outstanding  
Carl in CT : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
We had the same yards per rush as they did with shitty backs. If not for that last long run by Michael we had a higher one. Promising for our D. 25 tackles by mayo and ogletree.
Shitty decision making, questionable  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
calls, poor use of challenges and timeouts, uneven and somewhat odd use of personnel ( back to SB being healthy), laxk of feel for momemtum, horrible situational awareness, argumentative with officials to the point of seeming desperate, lack of killer instinct and odd choices of plays at times where they seem forced or just thrown in and a completely uninspiring in game coaching style.... None of those things improves or goes away with more talent.
Daniel Jones left the game healthy enough to practice  
GeofromNJ : 10/10/2019 11:37 pm : link
and qb the next game. As far as I'm concerned, the game was a success.
The 2 worst players on your roster  
JoeFootball : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
Hillman and Stupar cost them 14. I'm sure they're nice guys who try hard but they need to be replaced. Thought it was the defenses most physical game by far, something to build on.
RE: My  
section125 : 10/10/2019 11:38 pm : link
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thoughts:

Jones was really in an impossible situation. I think he was forcing throws to try and make something happen. His receivers couldn't get any separation. Every throw was to a receiver who was blanketed. He also had no running game.

The OL continues to be a problem. They didn't open any holes, and were often controlled by just four or five DL. That left Jones throwing against six or seven DBs, which partially explains why he held the ball so long. He needed to try and wait for his receivers to get open.

Zeitler should be benched. His shoulder is clearly hurting. I'd also consider playing Slade or even Smith instead of Remmers.

I still have no idea why we are playing Haley, Stupar, and Bethea, instead of Love, Ballentine, and Tauaefa. Haley is targeted every time he's on the field.

I'd cut Hilliman and Stupar immediately.

The game plan was poor. Running Hilliman into the line on first and second down was never going to work. Penny and Walter should have been used, along with a sixth OL to protect Jones and try and establish some running game. We also should have had Jones roll out.

Not going for it on fourth and two down 14 was a mistake.

Kudos to the defense for their grit.


I agree with most of what you said. I disagree with the game plan being bad, they have to run a bit.
Sort of random  
AcesUp : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
And the smallest of victories, but the Giants may have a quality depth LB in Mayo. He's played pretty well imo.
Pats scored 21 points on offense  
5BowlsSoon : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
One ST td and one defensive td.

I was very pleased overall with our defense. Of course it could be better....we could tackle better.....less penalties.....but like I said, overall the defense did well. And donít forget, they were on the field much more because the offense only got 10 first downs.

As for our offense, hopefully we wonít see Hilliman anymore because Saquon and Gallman will be back. And hopefully Danny will have Engram and SS back healthy from here on out. (I doubt it though....those two are always hurt.)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.




No improvement? What was our record last seasont thru 5?

We are starting a rookie QB.....we cannot expect to beatpats on road



This season has 2 victories - one against the Bucs, and the other against a winless Washington team who was on the verge of firing their coach.

If you think comparing the two seasons just on the basis of 'how many did we win through 5' (try 6) is how you measure improvement, I don't think you should be criticizing anyone else's take.

This is supposed to be year 2 of a rebuild - something that *good* teams don't take 5 years to do - and it looks just as shitty as it did last year. Which both happen to look just as bad as the few years that preceded them.



OMG. This can't be fucking real. We are starting a ROOKIE QB. Why the fuck can't you or anyone else get that? You think that and winning happens? Show me where a rookie QB wins before his 5th game with NO weapons on offense and a young struggling defense and a very inconsistent OL. Show me....

It doesn't exist. This season isn't about winning, it's about getting Jones experience. People blaming shurmur or crying we lost arent paying attention. Giants have a very young team and one more draft and free agency with some money to spend, Giants can be a solid team next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
jcn56 : 10/10/2019 11:39 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.



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Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.



No, he didn't - but the team he coaches did. And it has generally been bad since he got here, with no improvement to show for it.



Yeah, he threw three INTs, fumbled, and then had several drops.

Now the coach puts the team in a position to succeed. Which he clearly did. It is then up to the players to make plays. Which they did not.

Now blame him for Stupar being on the field and getting blown into the punter or keepin Jennings out there making penalties and not covering anybody and I agree.


Wait - he clearly put the team in position to succeed?

Please qualify that statement with something more than pot shots at Terps for not having his pom poms out and waving them frantically.
RE: RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
Geomon : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.

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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership

How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.
RE: can't believe the takeaway  
Jim from Katonah : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14623588 bluepepper said:
[quote] here is Shurmur sucks. We went into NE without our 3 top offensive playmakers and gave them a game for 3 quarters. Only reason it didn't go down to the wire is our 3rd string RB coughed up one TD and our 3rd string LB got blocked into the punter for another TD. [/quot

The Patriots make everyone look like talentless idiots. Ask the Steelers.

We are in the 2nd year of a massive rebuild, and I liked their heart. I didnít like how they rushed 3 for a long stretch though. Feeling a bit demoralized by the 4thQ ó but it was fun while it lasted.

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Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:40 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives


Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.
I was pleased with this performance.  
BillT : 10/10/2019 11:41 pm : link
The defense is showing show life and if we can get Barkley back and Engram, the offense could be competitive. It's not about this year. It's about the next two.
RE: RE: RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.

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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership


How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.


"Yeah rookie yea yeah"

As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out
RE: I was pleased with this performance.  
BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
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The defense is showing show life and if we can get Barkley back and Engram, the offense could be competitive. It's not about this year. It's about the next two.



+1
DG  
AcidTest : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
also has to shoulder some of the blame. His FA acquisitions have been nearly as bad as his drafts have been good. Golden is an exception obviously. But Solder, Remmers, Ogletree, Stupar, Haley, Pulley, and Bethea have been bad. Stewart and Omameh as well. That's a lot of wasted money and draft picks. I'm concerned that he's not the right person to spend our cap money this offseason.
They miss Connelly  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
but I thought Mayo played better
The Patriots are a god damn machine.  
St. Jimmy : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
At halftime, I thought the Giants are in this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When you're coached this terribly the roster doesn't matter  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:42 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives



Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.


Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..
RE: They miss Connelly  
Anakim : 10/10/2019 11:43 pm : link
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but I thought Mayo played better


Mayo is a gamer. He's no Stupar. He actually does his job and does it well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones really needs to make better decisions with the ball  
Geomon : 10/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.

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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership


How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.



"Yeah rookie yea yeah"

As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out

Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.
Just get this season out of the way  
micky : 10/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
And try to keep rebuilding. A few more seasons like this and hopefully get the right pieces and coaching staff to finally, legitly contend. 2022,23 seasons can't get here soon enough
We couldn't have had a worse game to play ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/10/2019 11:44 pm : link
Bad enough playing the Vikings but an undermanned
short week to the undefeated Pats tough row to hoe ,,
Defense played tough all game long .
Fumble return and blocked punt you can't have that to a team
with a very good defense and an offense thats scores 30 points
a game . Mayo 13 tackles Ogletree 12 tackles . Golden
continues to play well .
Jones played like a rookie with again no running game .
Listening to that Cunt Aikman was painful . We got to a point
where it was a game listening him talk about Pats being short players was laughable and the Refs sucked beyound belief .
I still an not sold on Shurmur as a HC maybe an OC but
whatever I got a headache listening to those clowns .
Shepard & Engram being out  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:45 pm : link
showed how little seperation Tate gets.
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jvm52106 : 10/10/2019 11:45 pm : link
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.

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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership


How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.


Jones is not the problem here and if you can't blame shurmur because we were under manned then you sure as fuck cannot judge Jones in this impossible situation tonight...
Anybody trashing Jones  
VanillaVick : 10/10/2019 11:46 pm : link
Must forget watching Eli's first right games.
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BleedBlue : 10/10/2019 11:46 pm : link
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Yeah, rookie, yeah yeah. These past 2 games have been really bad for him and even during the 2 wins, he made some poor decisions.

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First four fucking gam s in NFL....Jesus can we make BBI password protected and people must answer basic screening questions before granted membership


How about you kiss my ass and password protect that, fucking idiot. Did I say he was shit? No, I said he needed to make better fucking decisions with the ball. Like you need to make better decisions about how you address people, otherwise you just look like a fucking asshole.



"Yeah rookie yea yeah"

As if being a rookie doesn't mean anything. Jones didn't play great tfootball but just about every throw was contested. He is playing vs the #1 d on road in his 4th game....not hard to understand why he struggled especially with everyone out


Was he playing the #1 D last week too? Or the week before that? Yes, he's going to make mistakes, hence my "yeah rookie" line. I want him to improve, that's all. He needs to be smarter with the ball.



Minny defense is VERY good.

He is in game 4, he isn't going to be smarter with the ball this early. He is going to look bad and make a ton of mistakes. It's fucking common. IDC how he plays at all. The kid has talent and in time he is going to be very good. He is least of my worries as a Giants fan
Truly can't believe the gushing about the defense  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
It's clearly been far too long since some of you have seen good defense with the Giants, because that was NOT a good defense out there. They are the most incompetent tacklers I have ever seen, and receivers were wide goddamned open all night long. Pass rush was decent at times, but c'mon - overall, they suck.
Can't wait to become a winning team again  
widmerseyebrow : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
especially if it has nothing to do with what some of you posters profess is the secret to team building.
Defense  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
is playing better. Still need help with pass rush, but they're playing better. Hopefully, when Beal comes back he can stay helathy long enough to learn something. Haley is up and down, good takler but seems lost in coverage at times

On a side note - nice non flag with McCOurty going at Jones' knees. Had that been Prince Brady - definitely a flag.
I can‚Äôt believe you guys are blaming the HC  
V.I.G. : 10/10/2019 11:47 pm : link
No one gave these guys a chance yet:

-they played their hearts out
-without their four best offensive weapons
-With zeitler injured and/or terrible
-Latimer coming out of breaks like he’s in sand
-A practice squads RBS losing the ball
-poor clutch tackling all night by 47&41
-And the refs fucking us all game

Are you fucking kidding me???
defense played fairly well  
bc4life : 10/10/2019 11:48 pm : link
weakness is the LBs -
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PatersonPlank : 10/10/2019 11:49 pm : link
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We can nail every decision this offseason and it won't matter in 2020 if Shurmur is the coach. Worst coach the Giants have had in my lifetime.





Were you not alive when Handley was coach?



I was, and Shurmur's worse.



No. No heís not. Not even close. Laughable anyone would even think that.
But we know thereís no getting you off one of your narratives



Not even close?

Shurmur has never won more than 5 games in a season. Handley won 6 in his second year before we fired him. That's not a narrative. Enjoy the moral victory tonight. I'm sure Shurmur will tell us all about it.



Handley was put in an impossible situation but he went 8-8 in year 1 and 6-10 in year two..


Impossible, where we alive then? He took over the Super Bowl winning team, went 8-8 then 6-10. He then was replaced and Reeves immediately went 11-5 in 1993. H**dley was a disaster, and I didn't even go into all his personnel moves. The players hated him
Terps  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2019 11:50 pm : link
Your Handley/Shurmur comparison neatly elides the fact that Handley inherited a 13-3 champion and promptly ran it into the gutter at 8-8 and 6-10. Shurmur, while I agree is a lousy coach, has never had a team remotely as talented as those Giants. You can get your point across without making such a specious comparison.
No one is saying Shurmur is the reason for the loss  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:52 pm : link
What we are saying is that he fucking quit on the game. He also punted on 4th and 5 twice in NE territory. His game management is pathetic. How does he face his fucking team after that last punt?

And this guy is going to lead the turnaround? On what planet?
play calling/time outs and all that stuff  
bluepepper : 10/10/2019 11:53 pm : link
fans always bitch about when a team loses. That and the officiating. Shurmur is probably average at these things but he has little talent right now and so loses a lot of games which makes him seem worse.
If Handley knew when to call a timeout or when to punt, he was better  
Go Terps : 10/10/2019 11:54 pm : link
The bar to pass Shurmur is at ground level.
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