The refs fucked up in the Saints game, but if you are going to then put a knee-jerk rule in and then not use it to enforce penalties, then why not get rid of it?
Keep in mind, in week 2, the Giants were called for a DPI after review.
The refs took 10 seconds to look at the interference on Tate (and the hold the preceded it) and stated the no-call stood.
This is a rule that should never have been implemented in the first place, and now that it is in place is not accomplishing anything.
Why not just end the charade now?
I saw when the Giants pointed to Lacosse (I think) when he was lined up in the backfield and blatantly moved before the snap. No call.
I also "liked" the non-call of JackRabbit being tackled 4 yards out of bounds, but no, they'll just call Ogletree for a personal foul.
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That was absurd. It was of no real consequence to the game but don't tell me that's not 100% obvious, unequivocal PI.
This breaks trust that officiating is based on clear, objective rules -- and not brokered, backroom understandings.
Pereira basically gave you the guidance. Unless it's very egregious on the order of Rams-Saints they're not going to overturn the call on the field. I'm actually fine with it as long as they're consistent but they probably won't be consistent.
The problem I have with that is the Giants already have been on the receiving end of a DPI that was called after review. And it was nowhere near the magnitude of the Saints game and it wasn't as blatant as the missed one tonight.
If reviews are going to be arbitrary, then get rid of it
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the rule.
That was absurd. It was of no real consequence to the game but don't tell me that's not 100% obvious, unequivocal PI.
This breaks trust that officiating is based on clear, objective rules -- and not brokered, backroom understandings.
Pereira basically gave you the guidance. Unless it's very egregious on the order of Rams-Saints they're not going to overturn the call on the field. I'm actually fine with it as long as they're consistent but they probably won't be consistent.
He doesn't work for the NFL. And that guidance promotes the exact non-rules based understanding I mentioned as the worse-case scenario above. The rules need to be enforced as closely to as written as possible. The implementation we just saw and have otherwise seen is not. That is not acceptable. It will cause more and greater issues. End of story.
Do we even need the rule? I think yes, and here is why.....to make sure obvious egregious penalties like the one in the Saints- Rams game doesn’t happen. That is what they are trying to eliminate.so by having that rule, it should solve that problem.
The whole system is choking. Thirty years ago, I remember occasionally being mad at officials calls but that was fairly infrequent. Now the irritation happens almost every series. Referees are having a major impact on each and every game. And it is BORING.
Something that is blatant by any standard should be considered egregious.
The NFL just wants an out if the refs royally fuck up a playoff game. This isn't the way to do it.
I also "liked" the non-call of JackRabbit being tackled 4 yards out of bounds, but no, they'll just call Ogletree for a personal foul.
This. Before they threw the flag I was thinking great another 15 yards. Then they call Golden after Thuney destroyed Tate two yards OB..
The whole system is choking. Thirty years ago, I remember occasionally being mad at officials calls but that was fairly infrequent. Now the irritation happens almost every series. Referees are having a major impact on each and every game. And it is BORING.
I'd be for that.
Something that is blatant by any standard should be considered egregious.
The NFL just wants an out if the refs royally fuck up a playoff game. This isn't the way to do it.
What was egregious was all the PIs the Pats got away with. The Pats are pulling a Seahawks and committing PI daring the refs to call it. They did it all night.
But on that play they chose to ignore two penalties, the illegal contact/hold and the PI.
Guarantee that will be a 2020 rule change.
Not to mention the low shot at Jones Ref standing right
there home fucking cooking and the Pats cover...
But we were going to lose anyway so pipe down.
Who do we play next week?
Rant off.
Let the guys play, yes there will be some sneaky penalties by player's, there always is, but if you can't tell in real time then it didn't happen. Plain and simple.
If you don't like that way then you have to get rid of the refs and go full algorithm camera technology and have camera in the sky do the reffing. This current combination of humans and tech just doesn't work.
Kind of like why baseball needs to get rid of umps behind the plate. Tech has replaced their job.
Great job guys.
# 1 cancels out # 2 = no penalty
Here's an excerpt:
After all that work, after the debacle in the NFC title game that arguably cost the New Orleans Saints a Super Bowl berth, after everything that could have gone wrong with these challenges, it’s the least expected breakdown that’s causing a ruckus: The NFL’s officials aren’t just getting things wrong with pass interference — it looks like they’re upholding the wrong call out of sheer stubbornness after being challenged.
The NFL’s coaches raised hell in the offseason to get an opportunity to correct mistakes on the field and now they’re being blunted by some of the same officials they were trying to overcome. To the point that in the first month of the season, only seven reversals were made in 31 pass interference challenges. A 22.6 percent reversal rate through four games wouldn’t be so bad — except that in bouts of ridiculously poor judgement, some officiating crews are doing things like what we saw Thursday night between the Patriots and Giants.
Simply put, they’re ignoring the right call and sending a message to coaches that even obvious penalties aren’t going to be called right. Why? Because it’s a judgement call.
That’s the get-out-of-jail-free card for officials in this fiasco: Not only is the initial pass interference call (or non-pass interference) based on an official’s judgment — the replay is, too. That means officials can get something wrong in real time and then get it wrong again via instant replay, merely because they’re given the latitude to do it.
How’s that for an effective rule?
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The ability to acquit themselves of their own mistakes simply because they can.
I said it last week, the head of officials need to be brought into the Commissioner's office and read the riot act....or just get rid of the rule and continue with bad calls without embarrassing themselves further by replaying them and showing it was PI.
I'd like to see someone put together a video of what was considered PI, and at what was the game situation.
For example, had that play on Tate been in the final minute of a 23-22 game, would replay treat it differently?
From what I see, you are only getting a call if you literally drag someone down..........literally.
So even when the refs thumb their nose, we still get fucked!!
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So even when the refs thumb their nose, we still get fucked!!
FMIC - Don't recall that, which game?
Riveron has always been terrible. Blandino?? They can't even get out of their own way when assigning leaders.
Can't remember if it was Jenkins, but I think it was.
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#NFL officials have gone rogue. 100-percent. This wasn’t called on the field and then wasn’t changed after it was flagged by the #Giants. So they ruled TWICE that this wasn’t defensive pass interference. Which is just blatantly wrong and a purposeful refusal to change the call.
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#NFL officials appear to be willfully wrecking the league’s new pass interference challenge rule. That’s the only logical conclusion when you see Al Riveron uphold a blatantly and demonstrably incorrect non-call the way he did on Thursday night football.
Phil Luckett who famously botched a coin toss and was terrible at his job outside of that, continued to get playoff games.
Jerome Boger has reffed a Super Bowl.
If there is any accountability for poor reffing, it surely doesn't seem like it.
Phil Luckett who famously botched a coin toss and was terrible at his job outside of that, continued to get playoff games.
Jerome Boger has reffed a Super Bowl.
If there is any accountability for poor reffing, it surely doesn't seem like it.
Which is ridiculous considering the league acts like it is a privilege and honor to work for the NFL. Not for the refs apparently.
I think if you were to call up the thread on BBI about it, it is one of the few subjects people were united on.
I don't know who really thought this would be a good idea. Sean Payton and Jason Garrett??