4 games in - how do you feel about Daniel Jones?

I wouldn't expect the "rookie mistakes" to completely go away as he matures, it's the bad that comes with the good in his style of play.

His ball placement is just fantastic. And he has a calmness in the pocket that you rarely see from young guys. Not worried about the Int's - needs experience reading defenses and receivers who get some separation so he's not constantly throwing into tight windows. Time will tell but I'm very optimistic.

In comment 14623866 AcesUp said:

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I wouldn't expect the "rookie mistakes" to completely go away as he matures, it's the bad that comes with the good in his style of play.

He can improve on things like we saw with the second interception. His ball security in terms of fumbling has improved from earlier

I think the game plan around him needs to be better but he’s a rookie he’s going to make mistakes but damn I like his demeanor, attitude and passion to lead this team.

In comment 14623883 Nine-Tails said:

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In comment 14623866 AcesUp said: Quote: I wouldn't expect the "rookie mistakes" to completely go away as he matures, it's the bad that comes with the good in his style of play. He can improve on things like we saw with the second interception. His ball security in terms of fumbling has improved from earlier

For sure but I think he'll be always be higher turnover guy unless he's playing in some video game offense with guys running free. It's not a total knock on him, he's not afraid to make scary throws. It's the other side of the coin in why I think he can be really really good if he hits his ceiling.

Drafts.

In comment 14623891 AcesUp said:

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In comment 14623883 Nine-Tails said: Quote: In comment 14623866 AcesUp said: Quote: I wouldn't expect the "rookie mistakes" to completely go away as he matures, it's the bad that comes with the good in his style of play. He can improve on things like we saw with the second interception. His ball security in terms of fumbling has improved from earlier For sure but I think he'll be always be higher turnover guy unless he's playing in some video game offense with guys running free. It's not a total knock on him, he's not afraid to make scary throws. It's the other side of the coin in why I think he can be really really good if he hits his ceiling.

I get what you’re saying. If he was in a say Kyle Shannahan offense with good talent, I would see big things and not a large amount of turnovers. But if he plays with subpar talent and coaching, he’ll be turnover prone

He's taking his lumps. Hopefully he learns from them. I think he will. With him and Barkley and another draft class and all the FA/extension money we have. We'll be in better shape than we have been the last five years.

cannot judge him with the crap he has in front of him at the moment.

Rookie QB’s throw interceptions. They can only learn on the job. His freakishly good first NFL game has led to some unrealistic expectations.
He’s doing okay, just be thankful we took Jones and not Haskins.

He's not gonna be the next Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers, but he can be as good as Eli, Roethlisberger, or Rivers. I'm happy with that.

to let the next year or two to pan out to know for sure. I'm very excited so far. He's brought new purpose and a new energy to this franchise and fan base.

He seems to have that IT factor.

I feel better then Cleveland, Jets, Buffalo, Washington....I feel like Arz, Balt.....I do not feel like KC, yet.

NE defensive backfield played better than I expected....

so Jones played worse than I had hoped....every completion was contested....

he see the field well better then most....except that one INT. The one he got his arm hit....is more a timing issue he needs to figure out. He has decent pocket awareness. He is very tough. Eli with some speed

In comment 14623946 George from PA said:

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He seems to have that IT factor. I feel better then Cleveland, Jets, Buffalo, Washington....I feel like Arz, Balt.....I do not feel like KC, yet. NE defensive backfield played better than I expected.... so Jones played worse than I had hoped....every completion was contested.... he see the field well better then most....except that one INT. The one he got his arm hit....is more a timing issue he needs to figure out. He has decent pocket awareness. He is very tough. Eli with some speed

Not as good as KC yet? Really? What gave it away?

Some of the same people that blamed manning from a receiver dropping hos pass and being picked are the same ones to give Jones 3 pick performance a pass. Sorry but quarterback play has been atrocious and to be quite honest- without Jones 3 picks last noght we would have had a real shot at winning that game.

...and create with his feet. Those are important assets, and the "tight windows" part was a question mark in a lot of scouting reports on Jones.

The thing we can't judge yet is whether he can consistently make the right read and hit the open man. His receivers are so JAG-ish that there usually isn't an open man to hit. The two misfires to Shepard against Minnesota were disappointing; I think he'll make those throws once he settles down a bit. At least he found the open receiver, which is the probably the hardest part for a rookie QB.

So far, I think he looks OK, and he's the least-bad part of an offense that will be terrible until the key weapons get healthy. Jones doesn't excite me as much after four games as Simms did, but I was young and foolishly optimistic in 1979 (and those four games were all wins after an 0-5 start).

this season, Roethlisberger pre-injury not withstanding. As far as the struggles, how many times tonight did we see him extend the play, but ultimately throw the ball away. How many times did we see him completely a pass to a player who was immediately tackled?

Take away Tate's catch on the touchdown, and how many YAC did he have? No separation. Give the kid some playmakers in the passing game and see what he can do.

Our schedule gets easier now and a few good games might help him.

as he sees more and more defenses and wrinkles that he will adjust to.

Better running game correlates to better QB play. The Giants especially with Barkley out are a poor running team right now. When that improves he will as well.

He is right now playing with a sub par WR/TE group with the injuries.

In the long run, these two shortcomings will make him a better QB imo.

He was never gonna walk in and single-handed turn around this chronically awful, awful offense. Meanwhile, other teams on the schedule don’t have defenses like Minnesota or New England. I have no doubt we’ll get to see some spectacular games from him this season.

with all the starters in the game on O.

Who’s been hampered by no playmakers on offense due to injury. Yet he’s a lot better than Eli was his rookie season. My view of his play and poise remains positive.

He's got a ways to go.

The potential is there, but he's a rookie and he looks like one.

But, overall, I think he's a keeper.

Give him 3 years and the Giants 3 - 5 years to make a run at something. But for now, the Giants are just running away from themselves.

Against the top D in the league. The kid can play but this year is what it is. A rookie making his mistakes and showing flashes.

To be expected missing so many weapons.

I think he'll end up being a very good QB.

In comment 14623905 Carl in CT said:

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Drafts.

Way too early for that

takes hits, seems poised, has demonstrated some good arm accuracy talent, is more mobile than I thought.

Key is if you can carry the mail long term and when adversity hits. That we will see going forward.

For those comparing the rookie starts of Eli and Jones, I don't think it gives much insight. The game was different in '04. Pass defense was still legal and you could still light up a QB with a big hit. The offensive systems are also different.

I am rooting for Jones to succeed. It is good many have pumped the brakes a little after the Tampa win where I was reading and seeing that Jones was destined to be an all time great.

this team still has a bad offensive line which is my biggest disappointment of the season. DJ looks good, but time will tell. It seems his accuracy is getting worse by the game, but the surrounding cast is not doing him any favors.

Unless the unforeseeable that he regresses so bad in that time

Some predictable rookie mistakes along with some really nice plays while having a mostly dreadful supporting cast

He's an intense dude. I love his make-up. He's all business and focused. The team is following his lead. He leads by example.

His accuracy and ball placement is outstanding.

He has great poise, nothing really scares him.

His mobility is a big positive.

He's aggressive with his throws, almost too aggressive in some cases. But, I'll take that vs. going to the check-down too quickly.

This is more a question of Shurmur, where's the RPO stuff?

I think he's the real deal and has all the tools to be a franchise QB for us. We'll know for sure in 2-3 years.

Don’t want to keep repeating myself on these 1000 how did DJ do threads?

Many people are not really football savvy and they are like lemmings, just parroting the crowd (talking heads for example). They see 3 interceptions and only 161 yards and they immediately think BAD GAME.

That is the furthest thing from the truth. Not all the interceptions were because of horrible passs.
1. Was a deflection. Yes the pass was a bit behind the receiver, but it was still deflected
2. His arm got hit while throwing
3.it looked like he didn’t see the safety in that zone. The pass was a good one to Ellison, but I don’t think he read the coverage.

Okay what else....
1. Did you notice DJ holding onto the ball, willing to,take a hit, hoping someone would get open? Tjere were just not guys getting open. No surprise....look who his receivers were. Ellison is slow, My grandma can blanket Latimer, and even Tate had a guy right next to him on ever6 pass he caught. For example, his td, the CB was all over Tate, but the pass was perfect and the dude fell down.

2. Yesterday did you notice the very strong winds especially going in one direction?

3. Pats were blitzing every down because they knew we had no RB to,worry about.

4. There was one series where DJ completed to Slayton for 9. Hilliman got stuffed on second down. Shurmur calls a pass on third and one obviously not trusting Hilliman to get that 1 yard, DJ takes a long time hoping someone gets open....no one does....incomplete.

Bottom line: no running game, no decent WRs or TE, a mediocre OL, blitzes every down, no separation...DANNY SHOWED ME TOUGHNESS BEING WILLING TO TAKE A LICK FOR A FIRST DOWN. By trying to make plays, you will get an interxeption occasionally. Anyone who criticizes Danny with all of these handicaps really lacks football acumen or has an agenda.

We should evaluate the qb with our unworthy evaluating skills, then sit on our results not allowing contrary information to come through.

after the first terrific performance. It's just the defenses he has faced getting better and better (#4, #1).

The AZ game will put everyone at ease again, especially if Barley is back. I bet they will look like a playoff team and we can all argue against that :)

He’s shown the all the right traits and, like Shurmur has said, he is ahead of schedule as far as the development process has gone. He’s doing some things at a pretty high level pretty early and he’s showing some great touch and anticipation.

Does he occasionally get fooled? Yes. But that’s the learning process. He’ll see it. Review it. Diagnose it. And put it in the memory bank.

He has yet to play with a full team as we’ll. Thing will be interesting with Barkley back.

Ut he is surrounded BT a lot of garbage players on offense. Some of those guys are just in it for the paycheck. That needs to change.

I am a little concerned about the turnovers. But Shurmur is the bigger concern.

......our receivers were generally draped last night, and he still got them the ball.

Most impressive thing: after the 2nd pick, he came out and you see in the huddle he was determined. Then threw the TD to Tate. I'm sure teammates respond to that positively.

Just needs experience, which this season is for.........it's really good he playing extensively in 2019.

Anxious to see what he can do with the return of Barkley, Engram, and hopefully SS.

He looks really good for a rookie. Really good.

In comment 14624105 stoneman said:

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after the first terrific performance. It's just the defenses he has faced getting better and better (#4, #1). The AZ game will put everyone at ease again, especially if Barley is back. I bet they will look like a playoff team and we can all argue against that :)

Teams have more film on him too, so defensive coordinators can game plan him now.

He's a rookie playing on a horrible team. He's going to have his ups and downs. He'll probably even throw up a stinker against a really bad team. But you take those lumps now.

QB hasn't been the Giants problem. QB won't be the Giants problem next year. OT, DE/Edge, LBs are the Giants problems.

Accurate
Smart
Poised
See some fire there too

Arrow is pointing up!

In comment 14623953 Mike Y said:

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Some of the same people that blamed manning from a receiver dropping hos pass and being picked are the same ones to give Jones 3 pick performance a pass. Sorry but quarterback play has been atrocious and to be quite honest- without Jones 3 picks last noght we would have had a real shot at winning that game.

September 2019!

him.

Glad he's a Giant.

He's a rookie, doesn't have a good feel for NFL pass rush yet. Holds the ball too long, some bad decisions.

Growing pains.

Just learning and, for now, bereft of playmakers.

But as far as who he is, what he does, and where he is headed, I’m thrilled he’s ours.

None of you do. It's just as incorrect to say that as it is to say he sucks because his numbers last night were terrible. He's a rookie in his fourth start, and as such is very much a work in progress. His performance wasn't very good last night, but the variables were very much not in his favor either.

Onward and upward.

But this year he needs to take his rookie lumps and get his "learning experiences" like last night out of the way. In the long run, the team did the right thing by starting him sooner than later. They new the team wasn't making the playoffs this year, now you can get him further through the learning curve for 2020 when the team should be better due to 10 more draft picks and a ton of available cap space.

but he has gotten progressively worse with each start and definitely has a turnover problem.

but as a rookie, I tend to focus on his positives, which seem to outweigh the negatives as of now.

First game was brilliant and encouraging. Since then he has thrown too many interceptions. Once the cinderella slippers come off and it's obvious he isn't running for any more for 1st downs since DCs figured out the delayed blitz trick; all your left with is a suspect Gettleman and shurmur decision with scouts who said he isn't nfl material. Gettlemen and shurmur have showed me nothing to indicate that they should be trusted or confidence instilling or capable of winning.