Just to put it in perspective:
Short week of recovery and prep with travel.
No Barkley, Engram, Shepard, or Gallman.
Against the 1st ranked defense in the league.
Howling winds throughout.
Facing the defending Super Bowl champions in the midst of their dynasty.
Questionable play calling and officiating.
Yes, 3 INT’s, but one was tipped straight up, and his arm was hit on another.
I thought his ball placement was very strong considering the elements and his personnel.
I’m not trying to make excuses for the kid, but he showed me a lot today. He was given no favors, and he didn’t make any excuses for himself.
Only his 4th NFL start by the way.
I’m stunned by the criticism I’m seeing online. What was the expectation?
Sorry...just venting a bit.
...and there's that.
He didn't have a good game tonight. You mention a ton of good contributing factors, and I think you'd need to be nuts to write him off entirely based on tonight's performance.
At the same time, he made plenty of mistakes worthy of criticism. I'm sure he said as much in his press conference, and he'll be at it bright and early tomorrow to make sure he addresses the things he did wrong.
This, and the fact that they all know we got us a QB in Jones. Of course a bunch of those giving him shit post on BBI I'm willing to guess
Yeah, string him up
I'm not even bashing Jones here, this was basically expected given he's a rookie on the road in his 4th start against an undefeated, #1 in the NFL Bill Belichick defense, AND NYG had all of its starting skills players out. I totally get the perspective. But fans are fans and the media will be the media. When a guy turns in an objectively shitty performance people are gonna laugh and gloat and "I told ya so" all the to the bank. You really expect them to like "see things in perspective" and give the kid a break, and be like "he showed us grit tonight if nothing else" etc. etc.?
Come on now.
It doesn't matter. My point was that NFL fans and media are going to react to a stat line no matter what context you frame it in. Particularly the people ready to hate on Jones and the Giants.
But either way I don't think shitting on Haskins was warranted anymore than fans/media shitting on Jones tonight. It was one damn game and in both situations these were ROOKIE quarterbacks presented with an awful and unwinnable situation. Can you honestly say you have any idea what kind of QB Haskins will be, say, 4 years from now, just from that one game against the Giants? Can you say for sure whether he'll be out of the league or a franchise QB (whether in Washington or elsewhere)? It was one game and he was thrust into it completely out of nowhere, and regardless of any injuries he still was playing for the absolutely awful Redskin offense which is terrible even at full strength. Not to mention the guy only started 12 games in college and had the luxury of an incredible offensive line and receiving corps at Ohio St., so I will say that Jones was probably better equipped experience-wise for a game like tonight although Jones was also in a comparatively WORSE situation tonight than Haskins was 2 weeks ago against NYG.
...But all of those specifics aren't important, what's important is these are one-game sample sizes and have no bearing on how good these players are actually going to be half a decade from now, but fans and media who are ready to hate on Jones (or Haskins) are going to invariably react to stat lines and ugly INTs regardless of context. This is my long roundabout way of saying Yeah it's gonna happen but it means nothing and you might as well tune it out.
He threw catchable balls all night. And got absolutely no help. That’s what’s frustrating.
Did Daniel Jones play well for his 4th NFL start given circumstances & situation? Yes, he had some moments & flashes
People seem to be forgetting he is rookie NFL QB and acting like he is Aaron Rodgers expected to carry this team. I was expecting Eli vs Ravens in 2004.
+1 He definitely needs to learn when to throw the ball away.
Yeah, he made a couple of bad plays. Yeah, he was playing the #1 D in the league short handed. Yeah, twatter sucks.
Weather and personnel were an issue last night, but Jones also could have played better.
All these goons mocked the Giants for taking Jones at six. Then he starts out playing like he's going to be the best QB of the last two drafts.
So now they're saying that they were right in initial evaluation of Jones.
...season-to-date:
Completions: 85
Attempts: 140
Completion Rate: 60.7%
Passing Yardage: 921
TDs: 5
INTs: 6
Sacks: 10
Fumbles Lost: 2
QB Rating: 74.1
It's very early; the signs are promising; but he's a rookie and he has looked like a rookie for several quarters.
Many people are not really football savvy and they are like lemmings, just parroting the crowd (talking heads for example). They see 3 interceptions and only 161 yards and they immediately think BAD GAME.
That is the furthest thing from the truth. Not all the interceptions were because of horrible passs.
1. Was a deflection. Yes the pass was a bit behind the receiver, but it was still deflected
2. His arm got hit while throwing
3.it looked like he didn’t see the safety in that zone. The pass was a good one to Ellison, but I don’t think he read the coverage.
Okay what else....
1. Did you notice DJ holding onto the ball, willing to,take a hit, hoping someone would get open? Tjere were just not guys getting open. No surprise....look who his receivers were. Ellison is slow, My grandma can blanket Latimer, and even Tate had a guy right next to him on ever6 pass he caught. For example, his td, the CB was all over Tate, but the pass was perfect and the dude fell down.
2. Yesterday did you notice the very strong winds especially going in one direction?
3. Pats were blitzing every down because they knew we had no RB to,worry about.
4. There was one series where DJ completed to Slayton for 9. Hilliman got stuffed on second down. Shurmur calls a pass on third and one obviously not trusting Hilliman to get that 1 yard, DJ takes a long time hoping someone gets open....no one does....incomplete.
Bottom line: no running game, no decent WRs or TE, a mediocre OL, blitzes every down, no separation...DANNY SHOWED ME TOUGHNESS BEING WILLING TO TAKE A LICK FOR A FIRST DOWN. By trying to make plays, you will get an interxeption occasionally. Anyone who criticizes Danny with all of these handicaps really lacks football acumen or has an agenda.
Yeah, he made a couple of bad plays. Yeah, he was playing the #1 D in the league short handed. Yeah, twatter sucks.
15 of his 31 passes were tight window throws. That means less than 1 yard of separation. It's the most in the NFL over the last two years.
The wind was intense, no one was getting open, and Hilliman needs to be cut this morning. Not too many QBs are going to succeed in that situation.
The other INT, sure, high throw, but it hand Tate right in the hands. How it pops up 25 feet is just NYG luck. That doeskin happen for our D, ever.
The other INT, he held it too long, again, rookie, but a fluke slap on the elbow turned it from a throw away into a free INT to a guy sitting in a zone.
He also held the ball too long because he had a rookie WR, rate, Latimer (should not be on an NFL team) and 3 backup TE's, and No NFL caliber RB's playing.
Come on now. If a 5th string bum (Stupar) doesnt miss an assignment and 5th string bum rb (Hilliman) don't screw up 2 plays, we probably win, against a 5-0 team, ON THE ROAD.
Our future is very bright, led by Jones.
The wind was intense, no one was getting open, and Hilliman needs to be cut this morning. Not too many QBs are going to succeed in that situation.
All of those are reasons WHY he had a bad game. You can't point to his performance last night and try to paint it as a good game, it doesn't work that way.
He was in a very difficult situation, and the results are basically what you would expect them to be - not good.
Dan Jones good
Dan Jones bad again
Most Fans are dumb. It’s an escape for us all so I get the irrational, quick firing, emotionally charged fan and his or her take, but they are still dumb.
Every day fans and talkies feel compelled make declarations and assign blame. It’s judge, jury and executions on a daily basis. Then things change and fans begin anew. Baseball player doesn’t hit in October? He’s a choke artist. Qb has a good September? He’s a franchise qb. Bad October? He’s overrated. And then there’s the money angle. Don’t even get me started there.
I mean we have a legion of fans here who managed to lose sight of how valuable a player like Barkley can be. Now it’s all about roster and asset mgmt and how the giants would have been better off drafting a different position than RB. Never mind the player. Never mind the talent. Never mind the grass ain’t always greener and never mind the value of what we have here, nope, I know more because I said so and the giants would be closer to winning because DEs aren’t as fungible, whatever the fuck that means. Can’t even prove it. Doesn’t matter.
Plenty of Giants fans love it when the Giants suck. That's obvious enough by reading this board.
Twitter and the talking heads are just doing what Twitter and the talking heads do. If those things really get under your skin, tuning in less (or tuning them out entirely) may help.
Nothing to be too concerned with at this point. Games like last night (in terms of QB play) are the reason many of us wanted Jones inserted so soon. He proved that the game isn't too big or too fast for him, but that he's got some curve of learning and development to proceed along.
Did Daniel Jones play well for his 4th NFL start given circumstances & situation? Yes, he had some moments & flashes
People seem to be forgetting he is rookie NFL QB and acting like he is Aaron Rodgers expected to carry this team. I was expecting Eli vs Ravens in 2004.
+1 This is where I am falling too.
Also on the Ellison route, he ran it where he was supposed to. The backs dropped into a zone scheme so the route took him right into the cb. Ellison is not supposed to change his route, he runs it and in theory allows other to find space. Jones was supposed to see that Ellison would not be open in that D scheme and move on. It was a bad read and and a rookie mistake.