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If Vinegar Peppers makes that tackle

Paulie Walnuts : 10/11/2019 12:29 am
things would have been very interesting
That play was more frustrating because the last guy to wear  
adamg : 10/11/2019 12:31 am : link
21 makes that play.
at that point fatigue  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/11/2019 12:32 am : link
was taking hold... I was very impressed with the defense
.  
monstercoo : 10/11/2019 1:01 am : link
Thatís a tough tackle to make... but thatís part of the skillset a safety has to have.
It was a very make-able play  
allstarjim : 10/11/2019 3:17 am : link
And the Giants shouldn't retain players that don't make those kinds of plays routinely.

He needs to step it up. No more bs.
I'm of the opinion that better coaching can help  
CT Charlie : 10/11/2019 6:33 am : link
most players make better decisions. His job there is not to nail the ball carrier but to prevent him from advancing. When you close, your goal should be to slow down and wrap him up.
Vinegar????  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2019 6:35 am : link
.
That other 21 was overpaid, already 25, and the last two years  
Reese's Pieces : 10/11/2019 6:45 am : link
just ran around and hit people and lead the team in tackles every season, even when he missed 4 games last season. Better to underpay some undrafted free agent to stand around and look confused.

Rewatched the NFC title game and Super Bowl of the 1989-90 team. Title game known for Hoss taking a helmet to the knee from Jim Burt and missing a scary series with Cavanaugh in there. Then Marshall knocks Montana out of the game and this unknown Steve Young plays their last possession.

But the Super Bowl against the Bills was the better game. Hostetler passing way off target in first half, but his last throw of the half he through a beauty into the corner of the end zone for much needed TD. Second half just a back and forth brawl decided with two seconds left. The ďgreatest drive in Super Bowl historyĒ with Ingramís run. Giants stopped the Kelly juggernaut by first keeping it off the field. But everyone on that defense could tackle, right down to Myron Guyton and Greg Jackson. They let Kelly complete the short stuff but allowed 0 yards after catch.

The far fewer flags and even fewer replays was really noticeable. The game flowed from play to play without the players standing around after almost every play to wait for the officials.
If  
Montana_Giant : 10/11/2019 7:37 am : link
Danny Dimes dosent throw 3 interceptions, Hillimam doesn't fumble the ball and the punt isn't blocked it would be a different game.
Vinegar Joe Stillwell - 4 star General  
GiantsUA : 10/11/2019 7:37 am : link
The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of his behind.
Ė Gen. Joseph Stilwell
RE: If  
armstead98 : 10/11/2019 7:40 am : link
In comment 14624033 Montana_Giant said:
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Danny Dimes dosent throw 3 interceptions, Hillimam doesn't fumble the ball and the punt isn't blocked it would be a different game.


This. The loss isn't on the defense, it's on the offense and that blocked punt.
I saw it coming.  
GoDeep13 : 10/11/2019 7:53 am : link
The play before they caught a glimpse of Peppers looking gassed. He wobbled into his own teammate trying to catch some air. I saw that and the first thing that came to my mind is ďooooh. Iím sure Belichick or Brady see that.Ē Next play they isolate him one on one to make a tackle.
One missed tackle in otherwise a great peppers game  
V.I.G. : 10/11/2019 7:55 am : link
...
While Peppers deserves the blame  
Diver_Down : 10/11/2019 7:57 am : link
for being the first defender to miss the tackle, there were 2 others that missed tackles that still would have forced the 4th down. But as is typical with Bettcher's Boys, the opponent converted on 3rd down.
I think this is the first time  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2019 8:33 am : link
I've read a reason for not re-signing a FA as "he's already 25".

holy shit.

there are many reasons for not re-signing Collins and overall it's probably a smart decision, but because "he's already 25" that is a new one for me.
That was not a great attempt by Peppers  
Everyone Relax : 10/11/2019 8:37 am : link
but maybe I'm in the majority, but I've really liked the way he's played the last few weeks. I think Betcher is finally starting to figure out how to use him.
I don't think he had time to break down, if he does he gives  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/11/2019 8:42 am : link
the Pat's guy time to get the first down.
RE: That play was more frustrating because the last guy to wear  
djstat : 10/11/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14623885 adamg said:
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21 makes that play.
The last guy who wore 21 missed plenty of tackles and couldn't cover anyone.
Collins Was Overrated  
Bernie : 10/11/2019 8:53 am : link
Peppers should have made the tackle
RE: That was not a great attempt by Peppers  
ron mexico : 10/11/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14624107 Everyone Relax said:
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but maybe I'm in the majority, but I've really liked the way he's played the last few weeks. I think Betcher is finally starting to figure out how to use him.


He has flashed a couple times but also made a ton of mistakes.

Iíve noticed a bunch of plays where he runs into the pile of blockers instead of filling a gap. The play where Edelman got flagged last night was another example of that.

And itís hard to judge responsibility in zone coverage, but it seems like anytime he is in zone there are always people running free in his vicinity
RE: I think this is the first time  
FStubbs : 10/11/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14624098 pjcas18 said:
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I've read a reason for not re-signing a FA as "he's already 25".

holy shit.

there are many reasons for not re-signing Collins and overall it's probably a smart decision, but because "he's already 25" that is a new one for me.


Indeed, the biggest of which is he cost too much for a player who is at best equal to Peppers.
Pretty sure Collins played in the game too weeks ago  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/11/2019 9:09 am : link
I don't remember him making much of an impact, if any. Despite making an enormous amount of money.
Collins..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2019 9:11 am : link
biggest contribution two weeks ago was after the final whistle when he went after Peppers.

Probably pissed he got completely outplayed.
Peppers?  
Csonka : 10/11/2019 9:18 am : link
I don't have the eye some of you have, but I've been pretty happy with Peppers. I have a bigger problem with Bethea.
It was a good call to let collins walk  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/11/2019 9:19 am : link
Hes done
RE: RE: I think this is the first time  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14624164 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14624098 pjcas18 said:


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I've read a reason for not re-signing a FA as "he's already 25".

holy shit.

there are many reasons for not re-signing Collins and overall it's probably a smart decision, but because "he's already 25" that is a new one for me.



Indeed, the biggest of which is he cost too much for a player who is at best equal to Peppers.


Another wrong answer.

Look, it's ok to have a player leave without shitting on him.

and no need to prop up the new guy who was added to your team at the same position.

Saying Collins is "at best equal to Peppers" makes you sound like a jilted ex-girlfriend.

Again, not re-signing Collins is very likely the right move, but I see no way a more than casual fan could watch the 2016 and 2017 seasons and say "at best Collins is equal to Peppers" who to this point has had not even a fraction of the success Collins has had. True, 2016 and 2017 appear to be the peak for Collins but I think you need to ask yourself why.

anyway, Peppers is here, Collins is not, people should just let it go.
C'mon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2019 9:41 am : link
the 2019 version of Peppers is equal or better to the 2019 version of Collins.

For about $7M less and not coming off a serious surgery.
RE: Peppers?  
ron mexico : 10/11/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14624196 Csonka said:
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I don't have the eye some of you have, but I've been pretty happy with Peppers. I have a bigger problem with Bethea.


Bethea is flat out garbage. Itís a real problem that they canít find anyone to take some of his snaps.
RE: C'mon..  
ron mexico : 10/11/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14624270 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the 2019 version of Peppers is equal or better to the 2019 version of Collins.

For about $7M less and not coming off a serious surgery.


Iíve only seen the giants game Collins played in, which was not a good game for him, but feel pretty safe in saying that he is still a better player than peppers.

Either way, unless peppers improves dramatically, we will need to find someone better if we want to hang with the best teams in the league. The guy is a liability who occasionally uses his athleticism to make a flash play.
RE: That play was more frustrating because the last guy to wear  
gmen9892 : 10/11/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14623885 adamg said:
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21 makes that play.


Not sure I agree with this.
ron mexico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2019 11:40 am : link
Landon Collins has been a major disappointment in Washington. He doesn't have a single pass defense. Not one.
Peppers had a good game.  
Torrag : 10/11/2019 11:58 am : link
Most of the defense played well. Even Haley had two good tackles but still can't cover my grandmother using a walker.
RE: ron mexico  
ron mexico : 10/11/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14624637 Eric from BBI said:
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Landon Collins has been a major disappointment in Washington. He doesn't have a single pass defense. Not one.


Like I said, have only seen the game against us in which he didn't look good, I'll take your word for it that he has been a disappointment in Wash.

Doesn't mean Peppers is the answer for us though. I cant count how many time I wondering what the fuck peppers is doing on a given play.
The Patriots  
mittenedman : 10/11/2019 12:40 pm : link
have been breaking that tackle for 20 years.
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