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Junior22 : 10/11/2019 8:15 am
Just like the rest of the games this year. I feel no type of way after last night because it is expected

Rookie QB vs HOF coach

Non NFL starting running backs

Average Oline and below average oline in run game

One receiver who can get open and he is just a rookie

bunch of small possession receivers when healthy but last night just your typical back ups with no speed and size

Awful head coach

Jones leads the league in tight window throws which tells you that nobody can get a step besides Slayton

The 3 picks last night the only one that was a rookie mistake was the one that the corner jumped and that is expected and Jones will learn

We are at week 7 now and I will tell you that by week 13 or 14 the young players on this team who will be here long term will be much improved and the team will beat a good team later this year that will propel their confidence

Gettleman has a lot of work to do now that he has his qb and it starts with a LT and Linebackers as well as a stud corner

But brighter days ahead for the Giants that you can count on
I thought OL played well  
George from PA : 10/11/2019 8:20 am : link
Thought it was a great learning experience for DJ.

Defense played their hearts out

Only counts as 1 loss
RE: I thought OL played well  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/11/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14624076 George from PA said:
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Thought it was a great learning experience for DJ.

Defense played their hearts out

Only counts as 1 loss


In what planet did the O-line play well?
Pats were blitzing every down  
5BowlsSoon : 10/11/2019 8:23 am : link
OL did as much as they could. Pats knew we had no RB and no WR to fear so they could afford that luxury.
RE: I thought OL played well  
micky : 10/11/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14624076 George from PA said:
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Thought it was a great learning experience for DJ.

Defense played their hearts out

Only counts as 1 loss


An excellent all-round play by the team. Great game
Every game means something  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/11/2019 8:24 am : link
You are either getting better, having the same result or getting worse. This mentality is exactly why the team won't move forward.

You say the team will be a good one at years end but the Head Coach stinks. So what is the solution? Go into next year with a poor Head Coach?
I will repeat  
joeinpa : 10/11/2019 8:33 am : link
I found the amount of negativity last night annoying. Many of the most critical posters were the same ones predicting a non competitive blowout.

That game was anything but. I found myself invested Emotionally in the game until the Hillman fumble, the games are fun again.

Undermanned team with the ball, one score down, nine minutes left. Defense showed some fight, I m encouraged.

Looking ahead to the bye, 5-5 4-6 are possibilities. If the OP is correct, and they beat a quality team, we have some meaningful games down the stretch

I really think much of the negativity here is spawned by the contentiousness among posters regarding different POV,

It seems there is sometimes more interest in getting to say, I told you so then actually rooting for the team. It makes objective dialogue impossible, and the game threads entertaining, but comical.
I agree undermanned  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/11/2019 8:36 am : link
We played as well as possible and the defense did as much as possible to make it a winnable game in the 4th quarter.

Me might have won the game if we had our full offense out there.

RE: I will repeat  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/11/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14624100 joeinpa said:
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I found the amount of negativity last night annoying. Many of the most critical posters were the same ones predicting a non competitive blowout.

That game was anything but. I found myself invested Emotionally in the game until the Hillman fumble, the games are fun again.

Undermanned team with the ball, one score down, nine minutes left. Defense showed some fight, I m encouraged.

Looking ahead to the bye, 5-5 4-6 are possibilities. If the OP is correct, and they beat a quality team, we have some meaningful games down the stretch

I really think much of the negativity here is spawned by the contentiousness among posters regarding different POV,

It seems there is sometimes more interest in getting to say, I told you so then actually rooting for the team. It makes objective dialogue impossible, and the game threads entertaining, but comical.


People vent. If you go by game threads there would be about three players worthy enough going forward.

They do have issue. I see some very good and difficult building blocks and not every player is going to be a star.

I do believe it is reasonable to expect wins in the division this year and this is more critical than just wins. This tide has to turn to move forward in division games imo.

Shurmur is still a big question to me. His winning percentage is awful and he needs to win. Now that the Eli stuff is over with the next target is going to be him with the media. How soon before the players then start to agree when that happens? Players like to look for excuses when losing continues.
RE: RE: I will repeat  
joeinpa : 10/11/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14624119 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In comment 14624100 joeinpa said:


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I found the amount of negativity last night annoying. Many of the most critical posters were the same ones predicting a non competitive blowout.

That game was anything but. I found myself invested Emotionally in the game until the Hillman fumble, the games are fun again.

Undermanned team with the ball, one score down, nine minutes left. Defense showed some fight, I m encouraged.

Looking ahead to the bye, 5-5 4-6 are possibilities. If the OP is correct, and they beat a quality team, we have some meaningful games down the stretch

I really think much of the negativity here is spawned by the contentiousness among posters regarding different POV,

It seems there is sometimes more interest in getting to say, I told you so then actually rooting for the team. It makes objective dialogue impossible, and the game threads entertaining, but comical.



People vent. If you go by game threads there would be about three players worthy enough going forward.

They do have issue. I see some very good and difficult building blocks and not every player is going to be a star.

I do believe it is reasonable to expect wins in the division this year and this is more critical than just wins. This tide has to turn to move forward in division games imo.

Shurmur is still a big question to me. His winning percentage is awful and he needs to win. Now that the Eli stuff is over with the next target is going to be him with the media. How soon before the players then start to agree when that happens? Players like to look for excuses when losing continues.


Agree about Shurmur. I understand he s been handed some crappy teams. But soon, vert soon , he needs to demonstrate he can win. I also agree that a win against Dallas and Philly would be a big stride
RE: Every game means something  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14624091 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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You are either getting better, having the same result or getting worse. This mentality is exactly why the team won't move forward.

You say the team will be a good one at years end but the Head Coach stinks. So what is the solution? Go into next year with a poor Head Coach?


Absolutely, you have to build a team and it starts with learning how to win games. Yes there was NFW they were winning this game but having a good showing on the road, undermanned against the defending champs means something to a team. Improvement is a process you don't just become a contender all at once ala the "dream team".
RE: Pats were blitzing every down  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/11/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14624086 5BowlsSoon said:
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OL did as much as they could. Pats knew we had no RB and no WR to fear so they could afford that luxury.


Are you sure? I feel like they were showing blitz a ton, bit mostly rushing 4.
RE: RE: Every game means something  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/11/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14624155 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14624091 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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You are either getting better, having the same result or getting worse. This mentality is exactly why the team won't move forward.

You say the team will be a good one at years end but the Head Coach stinks. So what is the solution? Go into next year with a poor Head Coach?



Absolutely, you have to build a team and it starts with learning how to win games. Yes there was NFW they were winning this game but having a good showing on the road, undermanned against the defending champs means something to a team. Improvement is a process you don't just become a contender all at once ala the "dream team".


Yes it is a process. Second year coaching staff should be able to muster wins in Division and not just Washington. This is the biggest hurdle this team needs to overcome to press forward.

How many fans when we play the Eagles or Cowboys are expecting a win? Do you think the franchise and team feels the same way? It needs to change regardless of win total.
What a convenient excuse  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 9:22 am : link
Tight window throws my butt. 2 weeks in a row now. He throw behind the receiver over the middle then the throw 5 feet out of bounds when he had one on one.

I guess your theory that this team wins games without Eli blew up so now you have the "he'll get better " excuse. Gino Smith proved it is not Eli. And yes Geno is a better QB than DJ at least right now if not always. This guy showed me he was 1 trick pony that will start running on 3rd and long. A delayed ILB blitz negated it. Vikings figured it out. Patriots copied them with much success.
I feel like some forget so easily - how much this team quit last year  
SteelGiant : 10/11/2019 9:25 am : link
Some of you hate Shurmur and I understand some of your points. But sometimes you have to take the bad with the good and you need to give coaches time.

This was a broken team. It was a broken locker-room. Without Shurmur we might not have picked Daniel Jones who I really believe was a good choice. I also believe Shurmur is the right coach to groom him.

I also see a team that does not quit. They played the entire game last night - lost - but I did not see blaming going on and I saw players angry at themselves not each other.

I saw our defense score a touchdown and Golden carried that ball all the way to the coach and gave it to him. That shows a lot of proof of how these players respect him.

So you can hat his style, and you can hate his decisions. He might not be the coach to bring us to the promise land but he is what this team needs right now.

Groom a young QB into an franchise QB. Fix a complete loss of control of a locker-room and promote leadership and culture. He was hired to keep a patchwork team competing during a rebuild.

He is fixing more than he is breaking. You are watching a learning ball club. A mix of veterans and young players. Did you see that play where Baker bit on the inside when we was supposed to contain, he got chewed out by the veteran behind him and they moved forward. This is on the job training with a coach who is controlling their emotions.

The mistakes on fixable, players making mistake due to lack of experience or lack of talent. But they are not getting discouraged and I see a noticeable improvement among the younger guys.

You feel like this team was going to be an overnight success.

A lot of teams look terrible against the #1 defense despite having a veteran QB and very good QB. A lot of teams look terrible against Brady and Julian Edelman despite having a veteran healthy defense.

So while we might wish that Shurmur made a different game day decision here or their - there are bigger problems than those to fix and I think Shurmur is fixing them.

I am sure I will hear complaints from the "we are wasting Barkley prime" fan club, even though Barkley wasnt even available to play. Who knows that game could have looked like if was in there.

Sorry football fans, Every play is not going to be perfect. Every tackle is not going to be made. It sucks and I want us to be better too but patience is a virtue.

I have to wonder if you were a Patriots Fan and watch that game - watch a team that has won 6 superbowls and has the greatest coach of all time --- "What kind of throw was that Brady - he is an old bum- that needs to benched for that interception!" -- "What the hell are you doing Coach going for it when you it is 4th multiple times and not converting - we need a new coach --

This is what you sound like to me.

I think  
Jon in NYC : 10/11/2019 9:27 am : link
my least favorite threads are the ones that start with "Like I said"
RE: I feel like some forget so easily - how much this team quit last year  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14624223 SteelGiant said:
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Some of you hate Shurmur and I understand some of your points. But sometimes you have to take the bad with the good and you need to give coaches time.

This was a broken team. It was a broken locker-room. Without Shurmur we might not have picked Daniel Jones who I really believe was a good choice. I also believe Shurmur is the right coach to groom him.

I also see a team that does not quit. They played the entire game last night - lost - but I did not see blaming going on and I saw players angry at themselves not each other.

I saw our defense score a touchdown and Golden carried that ball all the way to the coach and gave it to him. That shows a lot of proof of how these players respect him.

So you can hat his style, and you can hate his decisions. He might not be the coach to bring us to the promise land but he is what this team needs right now.

Groom a young QB into an franchise QB. Fix a complete loss of control of a locker-room and promote leadership and culture. He was hired to keep a patchwork team competing during a rebuild.

He is fixing more than he is breaking. You are watching a learning ball club. A mix of veterans and young players. Did you see that play where Baker bit on the inside when we was supposed to contain, he got chewed out by the veteran behind him and they moved forward. This is on the job training with a coach who is controlling their emotions.

The mistakes on fixable, players making mistake due to lack of experience or lack of talent. But they are not getting discouraged and I see a noticeable improvement among the younger guys.

You feel like this team was going to be an overnight success.

A lot of teams look terrible against the #1 defense despite having a veteran QB and very good QB. A lot of teams look terrible against Brady and Julian Edelman despite having a veteran healthy defense.

So while we might wish that Shurmur made a different game day decision here or their - there are bigger problems than those to fix and I think Shurmur is fixing them.

I am sure I will hear complaints from the "we are wasting Barkley prime" fan club, even though Barkley wasnt even available to play. Who knows that game could have looked like if was in there.

Sorry football fans, Every play is not going to be perfect. Every tackle is not going to be made. It sucks and I want us to be better too but patience is a virtue.

I have to wonder if you were a Patriots Fan and watch that game - watch a team that has won 6 superbowls and has the greatest coach of all time --- "What kind of throw was that Brady - he is an old bum- that needs to benched for that interception!" -- "What the hell are you doing Coach going for it when you it is 4th multiple times and not converting - we need a new coach --

This is what you sound like to me.


this team is 2-4 and should be 1-5 if not for missed chip shot. The patriots covered a 16.5 point spread last night. You lost 18 to the Vikings. The pats are 6-0. What planet are you on?
This game went 100% as expected  
Biteymax22 : 10/11/2019 9:46 am : link
Really very little to take away from it that we didn't already know. I can only pinpoint a few things that stuck out to me as "unexpected".

On the "unexpected" note, I would like to give some credit to David Mayo, his play surprised me. He looked much better last night than he did against MIN, may have something to do with not having Stupar next to him...
RE: RE: I feel like some forget so easily - how much this team quit last year  
Joe in CT : 10/11/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14624241 Big_N said:
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In comment 14624223 SteelGiant said:


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Some of you hate Shurmur and I understand some of your points. But sometimes you have to take the bad with the good and you need to give coaches time.

This was a broken team. It was a broken locker-room. Without Shurmur we might not have picked Daniel Jones who I really believe was a good choice. I also believe Shurmur is the right coach to groom him.

I also see a team that does not quit. They played the entire game last night - lost - but I did not see blaming going on and I saw players angry at themselves not each other.

I saw our defense score a touchdown and Golden carried that ball all the way to the coach and gave it to him. That shows a lot of proof of how these players respect him.

So you can hat his style, and you can hate his decisions. He might not be the coach to bring us to the promise land but he is what this team needs right now.

Groom a young QB into an franchise QB. Fix a complete loss of control of a locker-room and promote leadership and culture. He was hired to keep a patchwork team competing during a rebuild.

He is fixing more than he is breaking. You are watching a learning ball club. A mix of veterans and young players. Did you see that play where Baker bit on the inside when we was supposed to contain, he got chewed out by the veteran behind him and they moved forward. This is on the job training with a coach who is controlling their emotions.

The mistakes on fixable, players making mistake due to lack of experience or lack of talent. But they are not getting discouraged and I see a noticeable improvement among the younger guys.

You feel like this team was going to be an overnight success.

A lot of teams look terrible against the #1 defense despite having a veteran QB and very good QB. A lot of teams look terrible against Brady and Julian Edelman despite having a veteran healthy defense.

So while we might wish that Shurmur made a different game day decision here or their - there are bigger problems than those to fix and I think Shurmur is fixing them.

I am sure I will hear complaints from the "we are wasting Barkley prime" fan club, even though Barkley wasnt even available to play. Who knows that game could have looked like if was in there.

Sorry football fans, Every play is not going to be perfect. Every tackle is not going to be made. It sucks and I want us to be better too but patience is a virtue.

I have to wonder if you were a Patriots Fan and watch that game - watch a team that has won 6 superbowls and has the greatest coach of all time --- "What kind of throw was that Brady - he is an old bum- that needs to benched for that interception!" -- "What the hell are you doing Coach going for it when you it is 4th multiple times and not converting - we need a new coach --

This is what you sound like to me.




this team is 2-4 and should be 1-5 if not for missed chip shot. The patriots covered a 16.5 point spread last night. You lost 18 to the Vikings. The pats are 6-0. What planet are you on?


Awww, poor Big_N lost a few sheckles last night, such a shame. The team battled, competed, and lost to a superior team, things to learn from. Some of you need to catch a clue about the difference between this team and team from a couple of season's ago which did nothing but point fingers and worry about their own personal stats.
RE: I will repeat  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14624100 joeinpa said:
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I found the amount of negativity last night annoying. Many of the most critical posters were the same ones predicting a non competitive blowout.

That game was anything but. I found myself invested Emotionally in the game until the Hillman fumble, the games are fun again.

Undermanned team with the ball, one score down, nine minutes left. Defense showed some fight, I m encouraged.

Looking ahead to the bye, 5-5 4-6 are possibilities. If the OP is correct, and they beat a quality team, we have some meaningful games down the stretch

I really think much of the negativity here is spawned by the contentiousness among posters regarding different POV,

It seems there is sometimes more interest in getting to say, I told you so then actually rooting for the team. It makes objective dialogue impossible, and the game threads entertaining, but comical.


+1000 How many posts in the first Qtr blasted Tate and then cheering when he scores, just moronic.
RE: What a convenient excuse  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14624216 Big_N said:
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Tight window throws my butt. 2 weeks in a row now. He throw behind the receiver over the middle then the throw 5 feet out of bounds when he had one on one.

I guess your theory that this team wins games without Eli blew up so now you have the "he'll get better " excuse. Gino Smith proved it is not Eli. And yes Geno is a better QB than DJ at least right now if not always. This guy showed me he was 1 trick pony that will start running on 3rd and long. A delayed ILB blitz negated it. Vikings figured it out. Patriots copied them with much success.


Well I guess you can include Brady in your assessment as he was having the same problems in the first half that Jones did.
The game is one in the 4th qtr  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 10:43 am : link
guy learn football
RE: The game is one in the 4th qtr  
SteelGiant : 10/11/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14624464 Big_N said:
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guy learn football


Just so you know, I think you mean "won" not "one". But what do I know?
you're pumping up Jones too much  
Big_N : 10/12/2019 4:15 pm : link
So far he hasn't proven to be anything that special to justify this high a pick in the draft. You know there was more than one qb out there to succeed Eli.

Not to mention by taking Jones so high we missed the opportunity to get some great young talent on D that this team so badly needs. This magically becaoe a "rebuilding season" and grooming Jones season? OK it idn't start that way. THey basically got caught with their pants down at 0-2 and knew this D wasn't going to stop anybody. So now to ake things worse -- you have a ELI Manning riding pine talking up a big chunk of your cap ad can't do much on free agents. But yea Jones and his 3 picks are all that matters.
but don't worry  
Big_N : 10/12/2019 4:22 pm : link
I doubt in this league with the competition being such that gettlemen and shurmur can pull off a bone headed move like this and not get found out. I hope the Giants lose every game and they get canned .... then it might mean something won't it?
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