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V.I.G. : 10/11/2019 9:44 am
Bethea at this stage in his career adds zero - when he does get involved, you can't rely on him for the tackle.

Any ball his direction, he reminds me of a kicker trying to slow down the the returner and shorten the field waiting for the other players to make the play.

He knows the scheme, he has no excuses for his terrible play.

Horrible signing at 3.65mm when Reid who is better and 10 years younger was avail for 3mm more.

I can't believe I'm saying this but maybe Thomas should start.

[vent over]
He really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/11/2019 9:46 am : link
does look terrible. Poor instincts and bad angles. I get he's older and slower, but a vet shouldn't seemingly have poor instincts and take bad angles.
at least 3 times last night  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 9:47 am : link
I saw Bethea not pick up his man in zone. He was staring at his guy but for some reason just didn't pick him up. It appeared as if he was afraid of contact. It's time for Love to get a shot. Bethea is useless out there.
Thomas is a SS and backs up Peppers  
BillT : 10/11/2019 9:48 am : link
Itís either Chandler or Love if you want to replace Bethea. And Iíd be glad to see what either has to offer.
RE: at least 3 times last night  
V.I.G. : 10/11/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14624287 Jay on the Island said:
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I saw Bethea not pick up his man in zone. He was staring at his guy but for some reason just didn't pick him up. It appeared as if he was afraid of contact. It's time for Love to get a shot. Bethea is useless out there.

I dunno... if they really think Love is a Safety, then it's too early for him to get tossed to the wolves in a new position.

Giants.com still has him as a CB. I was really hoping he would have taken over for Haley but he must be terrible to not see the field. Giants have not been afraid to put rooks in big positions (Connelly, Slayton) so if Love is not seeing the field, he must be weak at practice.
RE: Thomas is a SS and backs up Peppers  
V.I.G. : 10/11/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14624290 BillT said:
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Itís either Chandler or Love if you want to replace Bethea. And Iíd be glad to see what either has to offer.

Giants have been going with this 3 safety look a lot with Thomas. In those Peppers is closer to the line and Thomas is more a mid.
Had my eye on Bethea  
mrvax : 10/11/2019 9:54 am : link
last night. He reminds me of me but I'm 59. It's time for him to make that call to AARP.
I don't think Love  
MBavaro : 10/11/2019 9:54 am : link
played one snap at FS in college. I don't know if they tried him there in the preseason. Maybe he's not ready????
He  
AcidTest : 10/11/2019 9:58 am : link
needs to be benched, along with Haley and Stupar. I have no idea why we aren't playing Love, Ballentine, and Skipper instead of these three.
RE: RE: Thomas is a SS and backs up Peppers  
BillT : 10/11/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14624301 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14624290 BillT said:


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Itís either Chandler or Love if you want to replace Bethea. And Iíd be glad to see what either has to offer.


Giants have been going with this 3 safety look a lot with Thomas. In those Peppers is closer to the line and Thomas is more a mid.

True and that's worked pretty well at times but Thomas still isn't a replacement for Bethea.
RE: RE: RE: Thomas is a SS and backs up Peppers  
V.I.G. : 10/11/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14624342 BillT said:
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True and that's worked pretty well at times but Thomas still isn't a replacement for Bethea.

With how Bethea is currently playing, Aldrick Rosas could be his replacement
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threeofakind33 : 10/11/2019 10:17 am : link
Said it in the GT, Bethea is the worst starting defensive player and itís not close.

He genuinely looks like heís afraid of contact in the open field and is lost in coverage. He has to be replaced. This isnít a one week anomaly, it has been all year long. Love or Chandler must play. Bethea may be the worst starting safety in the league, they literally cannot be worse.
I think you're being to kind calling him a goalie.  
Blue21 : 10/11/2019 10:20 am : link
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As much as I like and admire Michael Thomas...  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/11/2019 10:34 am : link
...he's not the answer at FS. He and Chandler are both swingmen; so if there's a replacement for Bethea on the roster it has to be Love. I assume we'll see him as soon as the staff feels that throwing him into the lineup at a new position will do more good than harm.
I think it's time now  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/11/2019 10:41 am : link
To play Love and Ballentine and Beal when he's eligible to come off IR... you're already punting on the season to get Jones the necessary experience for the future, you might as well get the entire draft class in there to see what you have. Bethea and Jackrabbit and Ogletree and Ellison and oh, prb 3 or 4 other guys aren't going to be around next year.
Our 2020 FS  
morrison40 : 10/11/2019 10:42 am : link
Is not in the roster yer
Thread title of the season  
Jimmy Googs : 10/11/2019 10:49 am : link
nice job VIG...perfectly said.
You would think a free safety  
Gman11 : 10/11/2019 10:59 am : link
would have at least one pass defensed in 6 games. Uh uh. None. Nil. Zip.
He's about as willing a goalie  
pjcas18 : 10/11/2019 11:03 am : link
as this guy is.

seems like he's collecting a pay check before riding off into the sunset

Finding a FS  
give66 : 10/11/2019 11:11 am : link
Will be a key part of next off season. Too late this year to find one. Maybe a young guy steps up but not looking likely at this point.
RE: at least 3 times last night  
NYG007 : 10/11/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14624287 Jay on the Island said:
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I saw Bethea not pick up his man in zone. He was staring at his guy but for some reason just didn't pick him up. It appeared as if he was afraid of contact. It's time for Love to get a shot. Bethea is useless out there.


This is zero fan reaction. There is no way Shurmur and the team can watch film and accept Bethea playing. I am dumbfounded. He is absolutely gut wrenching to watch in zone. Two guys will come and he doesn't pick up either, he stares and waits.
Bethea is a statue out there at this point  
Torrag : 10/11/2019 11:54 am : link
If anyone else is the least bit capable of lining up the backend and making the calls he should be riding the pine. His value to this team is limited to passing on his savvy and knowledge in the meeting rooms and practice field. It's over.
I have to agree  
Daniel in MI : 10/11/2019 12:32 pm : link
I was willing to give Bethea a chance despite a rough start, thinking maybe this thing comes together like we've seen in the past. But he's the last line of defense, and so many times I saw him in the wrong spot to make a tackle, missing tackles, etc. and then I can't remember the last time I saw him get over to help a guy in pass D, like we see other FS do.
I don't know if he's our WORST player (cough Stupar cough) and everyone missed tackles last night. But he's certainly not making up for any problems. Very disappointing. And the fact that Bettcher wanted him and isn't changing him out makes me question him, too.
RE: He's about as willing a goalie  
flycatcher : 10/11/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14624525 pjcas18 said:
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as this guy is.

seems like he's collecting a pay check before riding off into the sunset


Yes and the sad thing is that we all knew immediately that this was about Bethea
I donít usually dog on players constantly  
Dave in PA : 10/11/2019 1:35 pm : link
But Bethea has no business being in the NFL, let alone starting. There is no point to having this guy on the roster. He needs to be cut. Take your lumps with a young guy and then fill the position in free agency for the love of god. Get Methuselah off the field
Goes along with the other  
Marty866b : 10/11/2019 1:48 pm : link
Awful free agent signings by this GM. A 35 year old safety on this team. Defies logic.
RE: RE: at least 3 times last night  
NYDCBlue : 10/11/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14624297 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14624287 Jay on the Island said:


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I saw Bethea not pick up his man in zone. He was staring at his guy but for some reason just didn't pick him up. It appeared as if he was afraid of contact. It's time for Love to get a shot. Bethea is useless out there.


I dunno... if they really think Love is a Safety, then it's too early for him to get tossed to the wolves in a new position.

Giants.com still has him as a CB. I was really hoping he would have taken over for Haley but he must be terrible to not see the field. Giants have not been afraid to put rooks in big positions (Connelly, Slayton) so if Love is not seeing the field, he must be weak at practice.


In my opinion Haley had a bad game the week before, however he has been solid otherwise, including a good game against the New England Bundchins....
RE: RE: RE: RE: Thomas is a SS and backs up Peppers  
NYDCBlue : 10/11/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14624379 V.I.G. said:
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True and that's worked pretty well at times but Thomas still isn't a replacement for Bethea.


With how Bethea is currently playing, Aldrick Rosas could be his replacement


Wait, are you implying that there is a way my lil bro Eli can get back in a game and extend his games started record?
Dont play with me! My heart is only so strong.... ;-)
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