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How did Carter look last night?

NJBlueTuna : 10/11/2019 9:52 am
I saw his one sack and he looked explosive closing on Brady when he turned the corner. Was really impressive on the close which resulted in the fumble and TD return by Markus. I only saw parts of the game..how did he do the rest? We really need him to develop as our edge rusher for the long term.
still very inconsistent  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2019 9:53 am : link
Had a huge sack and made another excellent play later, but is still invisible for most of the game. He needs to start making those kind of plays consistently.
Still think his ceiling is solid rotational OLB  
jcn56 : 10/11/2019 9:54 am : link
he'll flash from time to time, but most of the time you're just hoping he's not a liability.
I thought he looked really good...  
x meadowlander : 10/11/2019 10:02 am : link
….improves each game.

Gives the Giants sorely needed outside pressure, consistently was in Brady's rearview whether he got there or not.

He's a keeper.
I think you can tell  
ryanmkeane : 10/11/2019 10:03 am : link
he’s close to putting it all together, but a few splash games every couple games is not gonna get it done
RE: still very inconsistent  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14624303 Greg from LI said:
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Had a huge sack and made another excellent play later, but is still invisible for most of the game. He needs to start making those kind of plays consistently.


+1 his sack came when he beat the TE one on one which was good, but he still struggles against real OL.
As Greg said  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 10:04 am : link
He needs to be more consistent because the talent is there. Is he a solid rotational piece or a good starter? If he becomes more consistent then at least we know we have one good answer there next season.
Explosion on the close  
NJBlueTuna : 10/11/2019 10:04 am : link
The closing explosion on his sack was incredible. And I have been watching games for a long time. He even did a nice job bending to turn the corner and the closing burst was staggering. Hoping he develops consistency to be an every down consistent force.
He doesn't  
Beer Man : 10/11/2019 10:09 am : link
seem to be all that creative on his pass rush; IMO average LTs neutralize him. I think he may be better suited for one of the ILBs in the 3/4, where the big guys eat up the blockers and he is free to roam and make tackles.
RE: RE: still very inconsistent  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14624341 gmenatlarge said:
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+1 his sack came when he beat the TE one on one which was good, but he still struggles against real OL.


VG point, I had forgotten that his sack came against a TE on an island. Still was an impressive play, but definitely something to keep in mind.
He's got all the measureables  
Gman11 : 10/11/2019 10:48 am : link
He makes a play every now and then, but for the most part he's non-existent. He's the guy that dazzles you in practice because he's fast and he's strong and he's agile, but when it comes time to play the game he's barely average.
It's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2019 10:49 am : link
really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.
Carter is a better Run/Pass player  
Rudy5757 : 10/11/2019 11:01 am : link
than any of our other edge guys. He plays the run pretty well and is still developing as a pass rusher. He hasnt taken the jump yet from year 1 to year 2. the tools are there but not the beast we were expecting when he showed up to camp.
RE: It's  
Rjanyg : 10/11/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:
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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.


This. This kid is pretty fast and quick. He needs to be quicker off the snap and refine his hand work and moves. He could actually get a little stronger too. I really think he has more upside.
RE: It's  
NJBlueTuna : 10/11/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:
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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.


Agree, but we need this one to develop into a legit edge rusher. If not, we are going to have to burn draft capital that we need to use on OT, WR and FS. It is possible we can get an OT in free agency, but I can’t see getting an edge of free agency given the cost of a long term deal and the shelf life of the position. At least OL have a longer shelf life.
Your baseline is biased  
Bob in Newburgh : 10/11/2019 11:10 am : link
You are comparing him to opposing speed rushers going up against our starting OTs.

Our OTs can spent be categorized as "hopefully, a slight delay."

Assuming that Golden is not ticketed out of town, ERs are not a foundational, priority need for 2020.
RE: It's  
Now Mike in MD : 10/11/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:
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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.


What? Dont you know all these young guys should be stars immediately in BBI world? Are you new to this site?
RE: Your baseline is biased  
NJBlueTuna : 10/11/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14624547 Bob in Newburgh said:
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You are comparing him to opposing speed rushers going up against our starting OTs.

Our OTs can spent be categorized as "hopefully, a slight delay."

Assuming that Golden is not ticketed out of town, ERs are not a foundational, priority need for 2020.


I am not comparing “him” to anything. He’s invisible most
Of the time and hope he develops a lot more

Your second point is indecipherable.

Disagree with third point. Edge is absolutely a foundational need in this league and for this team.

RE: RE: Your baseline is biased  
section125 : 10/11/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14624564 NJBlueTuna said:
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In comment 14624547 Bob in Newburgh said:


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You are comparing him to opposing speed rushers going up against our starting OTs.

Our OTs can spent be categorized as "hopefully, a slight delay."

Assuming that Golden is not ticketed out of town, ERs are not a foundational, priority need for 2020.



I am not comparing “him” to anything. He’s invisible most
Of the time and hope he develops a lot more

Your second point is indecipherable.

Disagree with third point. Edge is absolutely a foundational need in this league and for this team.


Most DEs are invisible most of the game. If they get 3 sacks they are defensive player of the week.

And I think they have a pretty decent group coming up. Golden looks good and should be re-signed. Can we please see how the rest of the year goes before pissing money away on Clowney types.
he beat a TE for the sack  
JonC : 10/11/2019 11:19 am : link
I'd have to re-watch but bet they were putting a TE on him consistently, which isn't a great sign of respect.

He's got physical tools, but doesn't look terribly instinctive and is inconsistent setting the edge as well.
Glad you believe in priorities  
Bob in Newburgh : 10/11/2019 11:22 am : link
and development.

Appears that Carter, Golden and Ximenes will rotate in once in awhile in 2020 under your plan.

Meanwhile, we trot out the same OTs, complete TE, ILBs, and FS.
He obviously had the great sack and strip on the TD  
gmen9892 : 10/11/2019 11:29 am : link
But, he also came within inches of doing that two other times. I saw Zo use his bend and dip move more than I have seen him use it in any game before.

You can tell the kid is raw, but also has all the physical skills to be a difference-maker in this league. At worst, he is a big rotational piece for the future.

Much like DLaw, Baker, Hill, and other young guys on that side of the ball, I am looking forward to seeing how Zo progresses over the final 11 weeks of the season.
Was very encouraged  
SLIM_ : 10/11/2019 11:44 am : link
I thought that was his best game of the year. The defense is very young. I don't think we are that far off. A stud inside linebacker and a competent free safety and I think we are a top 12 defense provided that the young guys continue on a good path (Ballantine and Beal would have to factor in).
His best game as a pro  
Torrag : 10/11/2019 11:52 am : link
Got home on a strip sack and missed another by a fraction of an inch. Stout at PoA. He's not a cover guy but you rarely get everything in a single player.
He looked good  
Dave in PA : 10/11/2019 11:59 am : link
Caused some havoc. Was in the mix a bunch. Needs to get stronger, but has speed which is nice for once. Not sure he has a huge upside, but he played hard last night. His best game by far
RE: It's  
barens : 10/11/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:
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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.


I don't know, I don't expect tons of sacks from young guys, but I do expect more of a presence felt as someone who is supposed to be the primary pass rusher. I do think with that position, either you got it, or you don't. I'm just missing a little more burst from him.
I thought it was his best game of the year  
Vanzetti : 10/11/2019 12:12 pm : link
Looked like I would have expected based on his rookie season. He had been invisible this season
RE: Glad you believe in priorities  
NJBlueTuna : 10/11/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14624585 Bob in Newburgh said:
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and development.

Appears that Carter, Golden and Ximenes will rotate in once in awhile in 2020 under your plan.

Meanwhile, we trot out the same OTs, complete TE, ILBs, and FS.


Your Keyboard Kourage and sarcasm are as impressive as your reading and interpretation of my prior posts.
RE: RE: RE: still very inconsistent  
bw in dc : 10/11/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14624409 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14624341 gmenatlarge said:


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+1 his sack came when he beat the TE one on one which was good, but he still struggles against real OL.



VG point, I had forgotten that his sack came against a TE on an island. Still was an impressive play, but definitely something to keep in mind.


Plus, Brady had time on that play. It seemed to me Carter benefited, too, from good coverage downfield.
He needs to be more physical in his pass rush. He's taking very far  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/11/2019 2:24 pm : link
Path to the QB.
depends on your expectations  
giants#1 : 10/11/2019 2:36 pm : link
I don't think he's ever going to be an elite edge rusher that consistently gives you 12+ sacks/year plus another 2 QBHits/game. But I think he can be a quality "2nd" OLB that gets 6-8 sacks/year and maybe 1+ QBHit/game with solid run D and above average coverage.

FWIW, pro-football reference now has some pass coverage stats and claims Carter's only been targeted once this season with it falling incomplete. On first glance that doesn't seem very accurate, but they do have Jenkins giving up 21 completions for 316 yards and 3 TDs to date.
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