How did Carter look last night?

Had a huge sack and made another excellent play later, but is still invisible for most of the game. He needs to start making those kind of plays consistently.

he'll flash from time to time, but most of the time you're just hoping he's not a liability.

….improves each game.

Gives the Giants sorely needed outside pressure, consistently was in Brady's rearview whether he got there or not.

He's a keeper.

he’s close to putting it all together, but a few splash games every couple games is not gonna get it done

In comment 14624303 Greg from LI said:

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Had a huge sack and made another excellent play later, but is still invisible for most of the game. He needs to start making those kind of plays consistently.

+1 his sack came when he beat the TE one on one which was good, but he still struggles against real OL.

He needs to be more consistent because the talent is there. Is he a solid rotational piece or a good starter? If he becomes more consistent then at least we know we have one good answer there next season.

The closing explosion on his sack was incredible. And I have been watching games for a long time. He even did a nice job bending to turn the corner and the closing burst was staggering. Hoping he develops consistency to be an every down consistent force.

seem to be all that creative on his pass rush; IMO average LTs neutralize him. I think he may be better suited for one of the ILBs in the 3/4, where the big guys eat up the blockers and he is free to roam and make tackles.

In comment 14624341 gmenatlarge said:

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+1 his sack came when he beat the TE one on one which was good, but he still struggles against real OL.

VG point, I had forgotten that his sack came against a TE on an island. Still was an impressive play, but definitely something to keep in mind.

He makes a play every now and then, but for the most part he's non-existent. He's the guy that dazzles you in practice because he's fast and he's strong and he's agile, but when it comes time to play the game he's barely average.

really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.

than any of our other edge guys. He plays the run pretty well and is still developing as a pass rusher. He hasnt taken the jump yet from year 1 to year 2. the tools are there but not the beast we were expecting when he showed up to camp.

In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:

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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.

This. This kid is pretty fast and quick. He needs to be quicker off the snap and refine his hand work and moves. He could actually get a little stronger too. I really think he has more upside.

In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:

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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.

Agree, but we need this one to develop into a legit edge rusher. If not, we are going to have to burn draft capital that we need to use on OT, WR and FS. It is possible we can get an OT in free agency, but I can’t see getting an edge of free agency given the cost of a long term deal and the shelf life of the position. At least OL have a longer shelf life.

You are comparing him to opposing speed rushers going up against our starting OTs.

Our OTs can spent be categorized as "hopefully, a slight delay."

Assuming that Golden is not ticketed out of town, ERs are not a foundational, priority need for 2020.

In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:

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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.

What? Dont you know all these young guys should be stars immediately in BBI world? Are you new to this site?

In comment 14624547 Bob in Newburgh said:

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You are comparing him to opposing speed rushers going up against our starting OTs. Our OTs can spent be categorized as "hopefully, a slight delay." Assuming that Golden is not ticketed out of town, ERs are not a foundational, priority need for 2020.

I am not comparing “him” to anything. He’s invisible most
Of the time and hope he develops a lot more

Your second point is indecipherable.

Disagree with third point. Edge is absolutely a foundational need in this league and for this team.

In comment 14624564 NJBlueTuna said:

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In comment 14624547 Bob in Newburgh said: Quote: You are comparing him to opposing speed rushers going up against our starting OTs. Our OTs can spent be categorized as "hopefully, a slight delay." Assuming that Golden is not ticketed out of town, ERs are not a foundational, priority need for 2020. I am not comparing “him” to anything. He’s invisible most Of the time and hope he develops a lot more Your second point is indecipherable. Disagree with third point. Edge is absolutely a foundational need in this league and for this team.

Most DEs are invisible most of the game. If they get 3 sacks they are defensive player of the week.

And I think they have a pretty decent group coming up. Golden looks good and should be re-signed. Can we please see how the rest of the year goes before pissing money away on Clowney types.

I'd have to re-watch but bet they were putting a TE on him consistently, which isn't a great sign of respect.

He's got physical tools, but doesn't look terribly instinctive and is inconsistent setting the edge as well.

and development.

Appears that Carter, Golden and Ximenes will rotate in once in awhile in 2020 under your plan.

Meanwhile, we trot out the same OTs, complete TE, ILBs, and FS.

But, he also came within inches of doing that two other times. I saw Zo use his bend and dip move more than I have seen him use it in any game before.

You can tell the kid is raw, but also has all the physical skills to be a difference-maker in this league. At worst, he is a big rotational piece for the future.

Much like DLaw, Baker, Hill, and other young guys on that side of the ball, I am looking forward to seeing how Zo progresses over the final 11 weeks of the season.

I thought that was his best game of the year. The defense is very young. I don't think we are that far off. A stud inside linebacker and a competent free safety and I think we are a top 12 defense provided that the young guys continue on a good path (Ballantine and Beal would have to factor in).

Got home on a strip sack and missed another by a fraction of an inch. Stout at PoA. He's not a cover guy but you rarely get everything in a single player.

Caused some havoc. Was in the mix a bunch. Needs to get stronger, but has speed which is nice for once. Not sure he has a huge upside, but he played hard last night. His best game by far

In comment 14624484 Eric from BBI said:

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really, really early on Carter. He only has a few games starting under his belt. Patience.

I don't know, I don't expect tons of sacks from young guys, but I do expect more of a presence felt as someone who is supposed to be the primary pass rusher. I do think with that position, either you got it, or you don't. I'm just missing a little more burst from him.

Looked like I would have expected based on his rookie season. He had been invisible this season

In comment 14624585 Bob in Newburgh said:

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and development. Appears that Carter, Golden and Ximenes will rotate in once in awhile in 2020 under your plan. Meanwhile, we trot out the same OTs, complete TE, ILBs, and FS.

Your Keyboard Kourage and sarcasm are as impressive as your reading and interpretation of my prior posts.

In comment 14624409 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14624341 gmenatlarge said: Quote: +1 his sack came when he beat the TE one on one which was good, but he still struggles against real OL. VG point, I had forgotten that his sack came against a TE on an island. Still was an impressive play, but definitely something to keep in mind.

Plus, Brady had time on that play. It seemed to me Carter benefited, too, from good coverage downfield.

Path to the QB.

I don't think he's ever going to be an elite edge rusher that consistently gives you 12+ sacks/year plus another 2 QBHits/game. But I think he can be a quality "2nd" OLB that gets 6-8 sacks/year and maybe 1+ QBHit/game with solid run D and above average coverage.

FWIW, pro-football reference now has some pass coverage stats and claims Carter's only been targeted once this season with it falling incomplete. On first glance that doesn't seem very accurate, but they do have Jenkins giving up 21 completions for 316 yards and 3 TDs to date.