By the normal standards you'd grade a QB on whether they were the reason you won or lost the game, he had a bad game. I think that's how a lot of people view last night.
I never really believed we had a shot last night (until the game actually started). 17 point dogs, on the road, against the defending champs who are 5-0, without arguably your three biggest weapons on offense (the stat said Shepard, Engram, and Barkley accounted for 65% of all of NYG's offensive yards so far this season, that's a crazy stat). What I wanted to see from Jones was what I referred to earlier in the week as a gut check. Like the Clemson game. How would he respond?
I got my answer in the 2nd quarter when after throwing 2 INT's, he comes right back out and hits Tate downfield for the TD. That was Eli like. Shrugged off the INT's, and keep chucking it.
The other thing that encouraged me, is that the mistakes I see Jones make are usually in regards to a missed throw, or holding the ball too long... Very rarely do I see him make the wrong read, and that's huge. Especially last night, against Belichick, who as they kept showing last night, is 11-0 against rookie QB's in his building. And that defense was tough last night.
Those things are correctable. His mental makeup, both in regards to reading defenses and also his resiliency, makes me feel really good about him going forward. I think this guy is going to be really, really good. I don't really care about the stat line last night.
I went to bed angry, I guess I was pissed at the final score as opposed to how I felt the Giants played.
I woke up feeling great about the QB and the talent on D. The best game I've seen Carter play. Golden, well he just keeps getting better (Marcus). I feel like I saw Baker make some quality plays and though he had a few hiccups I'm encouraged by his play last night. Mayo was a pleasant surprise. And really our front 3 are getting better and better. This seems to be the one unit that has shown steady upward progress the entire season.
Still a lot of work to be done. Especially among the coaches but engouraged by some of the talent we have.
The tackling is a real issue, so many weak miss arm tackles, what happened to shoulder in the belt buckle.
Although I have a feeling it was only because it is the Patriots. They got up to play. You can expect their lack of effort like in the other games and a coach he won't motivate them at all.
That puts DJ in an impossible situation. Either throw into tight windows and risk interceptions, or give up on completions and try to run around versus a pretty good pass rush. He forced some things, and the D made him pay because that's what good Ds do (it's hard for us to remember that). Side note: will we ever have a WR that can make a contested catch? FFS
I was encouraged that we moved the ball at times, and that he didn't look overwhelmed by the moment (national TV, short week, BB's D, away, etc.).
Let's remember, as a rookie Eli had that Raven's game where he had a QB rating of 0.0. I happen to be at that game which was in Baltimore, and it was totally depressing. At no point did the O look as good as it did for short stretches last night. It was utter futility. We didn't look great, but we didn't look like we were overwhelmed most of the time last night. And with a very depleted cast of characters.
If DJ gets a little run game help, and a little separation from WRs, and some blocking (preferably on the same plays)? I don't think there's much doubt he can perform. I'm not saying it all has to be great for him to succeed like it felt with Eli the last couple of years, just a bit more help than he's getting now and I think DJ can move the team. He's going to throw INTs, he's going to miss open guys. All QBs do. I'm more concerned that he doesn't become so obsessed with not throwing INTs that he won't put it out there. As Aikman said, and I believe, accuracy is a thing you have or you don't. It doesn't seem to get better. DJ has it and if we can give him a chance to use it, he seem like he can succeed. Each outing is experience, as long as he doesn't take away the wrong lesson. I'm glad he kept ripping it last night. Better than folding the tent, checking down constantly, or trying to run on every play.
I agree and if only 2 guys are getting open why not put Penny and the HB in at the same time with a TE at least if nobody is open maybe you can complete some flair passes , I don’t know what that formation is called these days but 2 WR 2RB 1 TE I think they should use a little more of that with Barkley
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Jones had little to work with and made some terrible throws
ect he has to cut down on turnovers and to get rid of
the ball sooner I know he holds hoping for a guy to get
open but when he waits too long then his option to
take off with the ball will yield little .
The refs stunk and the lack of calls against the Pats was
absurd . The play calling and guys like Hilliman and Stupar
just make me crazy . punting on 4th and two was awful .
first time i ever saw the punter hit the blocker in the
back of the head . Thats on the coaches as is the fumble TD
return . Pats were obnoxious and arrogant .
We rest up get some guys back and get back on track with
the Cards coming to town .
When to throw it away
When to take off
When not to expose himself to injury risk
But there were certainly more than just a couple of bad reads and throws to players that he shouldn't have thrown to.
The other problem I have been seeing over the past few games, was something I raised in my original report on him I did after the draft.
He still has some issues judging how the defenders will react to his throw. In particular that there may be more than just the primary defender that he needs to consider. There is less of it now than I saw of him in college. It seems the staff has been working with him on it.
When to throw it away
When to take off
When not to expose himself to injury risk
But there were certainly more than just a couple of bad reads and throws to players that he shouldn't have thrown to.
The other problem I have been seeing over the past few games, was something I raised in my original report on him I did after the draft.
He still has some issues judging how the defenders will react to his throw. In particular that there may be more than just the primary defender that he needs to consider. There is less of it now than I saw of him in college. It seems the staff has been working with him on it.
I'm with you. There ws some good from last night, but overall the performance clouds the picture of Jones for me. There was poor decision making and some piss poor accuracy. I still think he will be good but people saying he is elite this and surefire that need to slow their roll. I am not sure what we have yet and the full range of possible outcomes are still on the table.. from complete bust to Brady/Rodgers upside.
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When to throw it away
When to take off
When not to expose himself to injury risk
But there were certainly more than just a couple of bad reads and throws to players that he shouldn't have thrown to.
The other problem I have been seeing over the past few games, was something I raised in my original report on him I did after the draft.
He still has some issues judging how the defenders will react to his throw. In particular that there may be more than just the primary defender that he needs to consider. There is less of it now than I saw of him in college. It seems the staff has been working with him on it.
I'm with you. There ws some good from last night, but overall the performance clouds the picture of Jones for me. There was poor decision making and some piss poor accuracy. I still think he will be good but people saying he is elite this and surefire that need to slow their roll. I am not sure what we have yet and the full range of possible outcomes are still on the table.. from complete bust to Brady/Rodgers upside.
Agreed.
I have said in earlier posts, that we really won't know what we have in him until January 2021. You have to give opposing teams enough film them to find weaknesses expose them, and see if DJ adjusts.
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For example:
When to throw it away
When to take off
When not to expose himself to injury risk
But there were certainly more than just a couple of bad reads and throws to players that he shouldn't have thrown to.
The other problem I have been seeing over the past few games, was something I raised in my original report on him I did after the draft.
He still has some issues judging how the defenders will react to his throw. In particular that there may be more than just the primary defender that he needs to consider. There is less of it now than I saw of him in college. It seems the staff has been working with him on it.
I'm with you. There ws some good from last night, but overall the performance clouds the picture of Jones for me. There was poor decision making and some piss poor accuracy. I still think he will be good but people saying he is elite this and surefire that need to slow their roll. I am not sure what we have yet and the full range of possible outcomes are still on the table.. from complete bust to Brady/Rodgers upside.
Agreed.
I have said in earlier posts, that we really won't know what we have in him until January 2021. You have to give opposing teams enough film them to find weaknesses expose them, and see if DJ adjusts.
yes. for a player like Jones that makes sense. There are players that transcend that cycle - Mahomes. But Jones seems like a player that will have to show that he can perform and then react to changing schemes. Though I would add there are some more fundamental questions still with Jones. What is his accuracy? What is his decision-making? If we had to take the last two weeks at face value we would have to conclude: bad. But he's a rook so he gets to be graded on a curve. We must see improvement in these areas first. Then we can wonder will he be able to beat other team's adjustments.
He does indeed have guts and moxie. He deserves a coach with the same.
You might be the worst poster on BBI.
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It's going to be "so he threw 3 picks and lost the game BUT here is what is good...."
You might be the worst poster on BBI.
The Big_Nancy..
Isn't doing himself favors. Read more post less.
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It's going to be "so he threw 3 picks and lost the game BUT here is what is good...."
You might be the worst poster on BBI.
The Big_Nancy..
Isn't doing himself favors. Read more post less.
don't tell me what to do .. he played like shit and you know it.