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mvftw : 10/11/2019 12:43 pm
Not the Giants...but the HC. Shurmur is 17-38 for a reason.
These last 2 weeks should have been a 3 point games...Yes even with the injures, they should have lost, but no imagination on offense...can't see him even getting to be a .500 coach...
Very poor  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/11/2019 12:56 pm : link
I was okay with the hire but felt he needed to win. Even last year.

It is just a matter of time before this will be a major topic with the media.

He definitely has thick skin so he can handle it!
He took over a capped out 3-13 team  
Metnut : 10/11/2019 1:00 pm : link
with a washed up QB. They won 5 games last year. They have $60M+ in dead cap room this year and have just gone though a hard part of their schedule.

I think they can improve on their win total from last year which earns him a year 3. Teams that switch coaches every year or two aren't franchises we want to emulate.
i'm no apologist...  
only1eli : 10/11/2019 1:12 pm : link
but he's coached two teams with very limited talent. even belichick had a losing record with the browns.

he made two baffling decisions last night (TO, punt), but his players played very hard for him.

maybe he's neither the worst nor the best. why do people feel the need to live in the superlative?
I'm a agree with your OP  
Dinger : 10/11/2019 1:19 pm : link
and he has not had success. Last nights game is not one I have issues with PS for. He had the team prepared and seemingly pumped to face the Patriots. My question in relation to last night is why did we seem so flat against the Cowboys? Where was this attacking defense the rest of the season? Why have we not seen this type of performance against any of our division rivals? Maybe its me, but I feel like if they had been this focused against Dallas, we walk out of there with a victory.
RE: i'm no apologist...  
BillKo : 10/11/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14624817 only1eli said:
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but he's coached two teams with very limited talent. even belichick had a losing record with the browns.

he made two baffling decisions last night (TO, punt), but his players played very hard for him.

maybe he's neither the worst nor the best. why do people feel the need to live in the superlative?


What TO did he use incorrectly?

He's actually been calling is TOs correctly in recent games, IMO.

The punt was bad.
RE: RE: i'm no apologist...  
NYG007 : 10/11/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14624839 BillKo said:
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In comment 14624817 only1eli said:


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but he's coached two teams with very limited talent. even belichick had a losing record with the browns.

he made two baffling decisions last night (TO, punt), but his players played very hard for him.

maybe he's neither the worst nor the best. why do people feel the need to live in the superlative?



What TO did he use incorrectly?

He's actually been calling is TOs correctly in recent games, IMO.

The punt was bad.


The timeout before the half. It was going to be 3rd and 9 and Brady killed over 1 minute with simple hand offs. The Pats looked ready to concede the half at 14-14. He called timeout. Brady then shredded us for 6 on I believe 5 passes in a row to get to the 2.
RE: He took over a capped out 3-13 team  
Big_N : 10/11/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14624800 Metnut said:
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with a washed up QB. They won 5 games last year. They have $60M+ in dead cap room this year and have just gone though a hard part of their schedule.

I think they can improve on their win total from last year which earns him a year 3. Teams that switch coaches every year or two aren't franchises we want to emulate.


A washed up qb. please. When he loses again it'll be a rookie qb. This guy is a loser just from his personality alone. the fact that he's like .333 winning pct or whatever and the fact he looks out coached in EVERY game except the lowly redskins is all I need.
He inherited a bad team in Cleveland  
bc4life : 10/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
under tehir old management. No one was winning in Cleveland.
No imagination on offense?  
bc4life : 10/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
WRs could not ge open and they started a practice squad RB.
Here's the thing  
jcn56 : 10/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
most new coaches inherit bad teams. Not a lot of coaching jobs start with 'and these guys just won the Super Bowl'.
RE: i'm no apologist...  
jvm52106 : 10/11/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14624817 only1eli said:
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but he's coached two teams with very limited talent. even belichick had a losing record with the browns.

he made two baffling decisions last night (TO, punt), but his players played very hard for him.

maybe he's neither the worst nor the best. why do people feel the need to live in the superlative?


But, your very post backs up the point ofvwhy he sgouldn't be the coach. Talent will mot change his coaching style or decision making. He made huge mistakes and decisions based on emotion that worked against his already ovet matched squad. In a closer game those decisions woild he game killers. Improved talent doesn't change shitty coaching..
Enough with the Cleveland  
Dave on the UWS : 10/12/2019 12:50 pm : link
already. Her was 9-24 there. What was the organization record before AND after he was there?
I’m more concerned with his performance here. He can get this team to the competitive level. I have doubts about him beyond that point.
I'm no Shurmur guy, but this is unfair  
PatersonPlank : 10/12/2019 12:53 pm : link
1.25 years into a complete rebuild after taking over a 3-13 team. C'mon, what did you expect? Things do reverse over night.
RE: I'm no Shurmur guy, but this is unfair  
PatersonPlank : 10/12/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14625705 PatersonPlank said:
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1.25 years into a complete rebuild after taking over a 3-13 team. C'mon, what did you expect? Things do reverse over night.


Do not reverse over night
RE: I'm a agree with your OP  
section125 : 10/12/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14624832 Dinger said:
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and he has not had success. Last nights game is not one I have issues with PS for. He had the team prepared and seemingly pumped to face the Patriots. My question in relation to last night is why did we seem so flat against the Cowboys? Where was this attacking defense the rest of the season? Why have we not seen this type of performance against any of our division rivals? Maybe its me, but I feel like if they had been this focused against Dallas, we walk out of there with a victory.


Maybe because:
1.) Away game in Dallas
2.) Many rookies in 1st game
3.) Eli
4.) Dallas superior talent

Why not earlier - see #2 and Golden coming on, Lawrence coming on, Baker coming...


Didn't they beat up on Washington a division rival?
Unless  
Rong5611 : 10/12/2019 3:00 pm : link
This year is a total disaster (like 2-14, 3-13, etc), Shurmur is back.

I hated the call for the punt on 4th Down too. But, we need to give him a chance.

The jury is out until the end the 2020 season.
Belichick  
uther99 : 10/12/2019 5:12 pm : link
was 36-44 with the browns. Clearly a loser
RE: Belichick  
jcn56 : 10/12/2019 5:20 pm : link
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was 36-44 with the browns. Clearly a loser


.450 win percentage, considerably higher than Shurmur's. And that's a team that in his final year went 5-11 after collapsing under the news that the franchise was moving to Baltimore and the subsequent media circus that followed. 5-11 is Shurmur's high water mark.
RE: Belichick  
St. Jimmy : 10/12/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14625916 uther99 said:
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was 36-44 with the browns. Clearly a loser
He also won a playoff game against Bill Parcells.
RE: RE: Belichick  
Hades07 : 10/12/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14625921 jcn56 said:
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was 36-44 with the browns. Clearly a loser



.450 win percentage, considerably higher than Shurmur's. And that's a team that in his final year went 5-11 after collapsing under the news that the franchise was moving to Baltimore and the subsequent media circus that followed. 5-11 is Shurmur's high water mark.
So BB couldn't get the team playing well through adversity? Terrible coach, no wonder he was fired.
Belichick had the Browns at 11-5 and in the playoffs by the 4th season  
steve in ky : 10/13/2019 1:02 am : link
Then the next season Modell announced that he was moving the team and the wheels fell off.


I like Pat  
MtDizzle : 10/13/2019 8:13 am : link
personally but I can’t help but feel he’s just not the man for this job.
I must have missed those times where the Giants should have  
Jimmy Googs : 10/13/2019 8:16 am : link
been in 3pt games and it was Shurmur's fault...
RE: I'm no Shurmur guy, but this is unfair  
bw in dc : 10/13/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14625705 PatersonPlank said:
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1.25 years into a complete rebuild after taking over a 3-13 team. C'mon, what did you expect? Things do reverse over night.


Totally agree. I never really liked the hire - because I believe the problems with this team run much deeper with management, and still do - but Shurmur is being made a scapegoat. He’s the easy target. Just like McAdoo was the easy target.

I wholeheartedly subscribe to the notion that the majority of NFL games are won before they are played. And right now we just don’t have the health and talent to put ourselves in a position to win these games before they are played...
I felt this was a 3 year rebuild culminating in a 2020 playoff berth  
Torrag : 10/13/2019 1:59 pm : link
After last seasons second half progress I was in favor of being patient with Shurmur and letting things play out over that time frame.

That is changing. Each week my trust erodes. Gameplan, playcalling, personnel decisions, time management, situational strategies, his use of challenges...he's failed in every area.
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