I think the team is prepared and motivated to play for him, but I'm not really in love with his in-game management. Things like 4th-down decisions, play-calling, etc.
It was inexcusable to call time out at 3rd and 6 with Brady but we didn't lose because of Shurmur.
The team played hard all of last year. This is a young team that will take it's lumps because of it. He has a reputation of a quarterback guru and I don't want to get into churning through head coaches or philosophies with DJ.
I think everybody was under the realization last year that we didn't have the talent to consistently compete and we are 1 1/4 years into a fix. He gets 3.
the bar for a head coach in the NFL is not "the players play hard for him"
Since when is that what the measurement should be? Shurmur seems like a nice guy and is a solid QB/Coordinator type. There are a lot of guys like that in the NFL. This is the New York Giants, a championship franchise. We aren't winning championships with this guy as our head coach. Time to realize that and start looking at other candidates.
As you stated, the team played hard last night despite being severely undermanned and outgunned.
His game management leaves a lot to be desired. I think he makes bad decisions at crucial times and basically does not seem like he has a good handle on the game.
I know Belichick is the best of all time so it’s not a fair comparison, but he is in total control of the game and routinely makes the correct decision at critical junctures.
What kind of pathetic standard is "they play hard"? Â
Do you know why they play hard? I'll take a guess at it.
They play hard because most of the guys on this roster are rookies and young guys, some of which wouldn't be playing on other teams because they're not good enough. They're just thrilled to have an opportunity, or don't have the job security to do anything BUT play hard.
"They play hard" isn't actually any kind of evaluation of how good Shurmur is at his job.
playing hard should not be a reason to keep a head coach. The Redskins played hard for Jay Gruden, and they went 35-49 during his tenure there, they kept him for 6 seasons when it was clear he wasn't a good coach. Let's not make the same mistake. Shurmur has given zero indication, past or present, that he's a good NFL head coach. The reservations about hiring a retread HC/coordinator have been proven exactly correct. Time to call a spade a spade. Why are we sugarcoating this?
when we go 6-10 this season? Well...we didn't have the pieces. We will go 8-8 next year and it'll be "well...2021 is really when things are expecting to go our way..." Enough with this horseshit.
the team never quits on him which is a good sign. I was happy when he was hired because of his history working with QB's and his track record as an OC.
I am now convinced that he isn't the right man to lead the team with playoff aspirations. I predicted a 7-9 record this season but next year the Giants should expect to make the playoffs but I don't think Shurmur is the guy to get us there.
If Shurmur is brought back next year, I think he will be, I hope he makes changes to his staff at least.
is he doesn't seem to be a motivator. He seems perfectly OK with a tough loss or a loss. Press conferences, he doesn't say anything that leads you to believe he's really pissed that guys didn't play well. Hold these players accountable. Shake things up. Jesus christ you are 7-15 so far as the coach of the team.
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Steelers always complain about game management with Mike Tomlin. I'd be able to live with Shurmur's game management if he was a great motivator, great game planner, and really good X's and O's guy, things that a guy like Tomlin seems to be. Shurmur isn't particularly good at anything, except being a pretty nice guy and he holds the locker room together, which about 150 guys in the NFL could do.
when we go 6-10 this season? Well...we didn't have the pieces. We will go 8-8 next year and it'll be "well...2021 is really when things are expecting to go our way..." Enough with this horseshit.
We don’t have a team with enough actual talent to win week in and week out.
We have improvement and things are progressing.
We are also starting a rookie at QB.
Next season is the season to crucify him if he stinks it up.
Why would you want to put DJ in a new offense and have him learn all over again. Continuity is a great thing and I am sure they will be pretty good next season.
No one really wanted to admit we were rebuilding both last year and this year, so it’s time to come to grip with reality. Stuff doesn’t get better over night.
What do they have in common? They won. I don't hear the highest praise of them is that their teams "played hard". It is way down the list of accolades.
So after two seasons is it fair to say that he should be able to beat the Cowboys and Eagles once in four tries against each one?
I would like to see him gone if he does not beat the Cowboys or Eagles this year.
Hopefully they look at Matt Rhule.
I think you are confusing playing hard for him and being loyal Â
Last nights game was the hardest game they've played. I'll say it again (as I did on another post); How can he have them up for this game but not the season opener? Against a division rival?
Last nights game was the hardest game they've played. I'll say it again (as I did on another post); How can he have them up for this game but not the season opener? Against a division rival?
Our defense started a brand new secondary. Full of rookies and DeAndre Baker has played all of 2 weeks of training camp at that point. Also Eli started too.
what I'm saying is, we already know what Shurmur is. Why waste another season? That makes even less sense than changing it up. Players can adapt to the system. It's really not that big of a deal.
of getting rid of the guy. His game management is most likely not getting any better. Punting on 4th and 2 is inexcusable and something a coach in his 4TH year shouldn't make.
It was inexcusable to call time out at 3rd and 6 with Brady but we didn't lose because of Shurmur.
The team played hard all of last year. This is a young team that will take it's lumps because of it. He has a reputation of a quarterback guru and I don't want to get into churning through head coaches or philosophies with DJ.
I think everybody was under the realization last year that we didn't have the talent to consistently compete and we are 1 1/4 years into a fix. He gets 3.
This was. Totally legitimate move by the coach. You might disagree it, entitled to your opinion. But to call it inexcusable is a bit much,,,,no?
By the way, he Peppers made the play and Giants got ball back and scored, we be singing his praises for coaching to win.
Your comment, stating a questionable opinion as fact, is what fans do, I get it. But come on, be fair.
when we go 6-10 this season? Well...we didn't have the pieces. We will go 8-8 next year and it'll be "well...2021 is really when things are expecting to go our way..." Enough with this horseshit.
"Its gonna take some time man, injuries. Take some time for the offense to get set."
We were never ever going to be a good team this season.
The way we handled the ElI benching really screwed Shurmur from the start. Could have axed him 2 years ago, still drafted Saquon, and used that cap for better players.
Instead you whined and bitched and moaned and here we are finally headed in the right direction after slowly ripping the bandaid off and you want to reverse course.
Our team has been gutted in 2 years and DG hasn’t really landed great FA help but let’s put him up on a pedestal.
This is what needed to be done. Shurmur actually deserves a year when we have a more complete team to coach. He’s fair game at that point, but right now he’s making something out of nothing. It’s actually watchable football.
..for using the TO late in the second quarter, when NE had the ball as was going in for a TD?
I don't see why you don't try to preserve time there. In the past, teams have always been reluctant to use a TO there, as to give the opponent time to think about things. Letting the clock run was sorta a rule.
But calling a TO there gives you chance. When Ballentine returned the kickoff from nearly 8 yards deep, that was the right move too considering the clock. A decent to big return could have resulted in a FG with 30 seconds left. When he only reached the 20, you take a knee.
Then you get the ball to start the second half.
Shurmur did the same thing last week versus Minny - but sorta screwed it up by calling an opening run play rather than pass.
and while I'd expect a better end result, there's just too many voids in his demonstrated skillset to allow me to bet on him to succeed here. Red alerts in my head.
He'll never win anything, make head scratching decisions, will get ahead if he has superior assistants and because he's a nice guy players will play hard for him.
This team had gone through this already before they hired Coughlin. Not only does this team need a continued infusion in talent, but a real kick in the ass in the coaching department is required
I have still yet to see any creative play calling, I thought the Â
entire playbook would be applicable now that we have a mobile QB.
And he doesn’t seem that competent as a HC either. Let’s not do the same mental gymnastics on his coaching like we did Eli’s play. We should realize that this is a lost season and Shurmur is here to keep the seat warm.
What do they have in common? They won. I don't hear the highest praise of them is that their teams "played hard". It is way down the list of accolades.
So after two seasons is it fair to say that he should be able to beat the Cowboys and Eagles once in four tries against each one?
I would like to see him gone if he does not beat the Cowboys or Eagles this year.
Hopefully they look at Matt Rhule.
Each one got fired or was close to being fired.. Fans know nothing
Our defense is out there huge minutes and the nitwit goes hurry up. Huh? How about let's use the clock to gain some time of possession and give the D a breather. Offensive genius at work? I think not.
Jones is struggling with reads so let's play faster and put him under more intense pressure? Makes no sense.
Down 14 with 7 minutes and a 4th and 2 so let's punt? Mind bogglingly stupid.
Featuring Hilliman over Penny after the rookie has already had fumbles in previous games? He should have minimized this kids exposure. Illogical at best, idiotic at worst and cost us 7 points.
I've supported Shurmur but each week my trust erodes. Gameplan, playcalling, personnel decisions, time management, situational strategies...he's failed in every area.
each individual interception, turnover, missed tackle, receivers not making tough catches, etc. none of these are really Shurmur’s fault; but added all up, it paints the picture of a team who does play hard for Shurmur but are doing it badly. They look like a badly coached team especially in comparison to Belichick’s team.
Our defense is out there huge minutes and the nitwit goes hurry up. Huh? How about let's use the clock to gain some time of possession and give the D a breather. Offensive genius at work? I think not.
Jones is struggling with reads so let's play faster and put him under more intense pressure? Makes no sense.
Down 14 with 7 minutes and a 4th and 2 so let's punt? Mind bogglingly stupid.
Featuring Hilliman over Penny after the rookie has already had fumbles in previous games? He should have minimized this kids exposure. Illogical at best, idiotic at worst and cost us 7 points.
I've supported Shurmur but each week my trust erodes. Gameplan, playcalling, personnel decisions, time management, situational strategies...he's failed in every area.
about how tight the windows are that Daniel is throwing into. Baldy called this out when Eli was playing. There’s no separation and he seemed to be indirectly pointing at Shurmur’s scheme. We’re seeing the same thing with Daniel now except he’s throwing it and getting intercepted rather than checking down like Eli did. Not too sure about Shurmur.
and while I'd expect a better end result, there's just too many voids in his demonstrated skillset to allow me to bet on him to succeed here. Red alerts in my head.
This, there's just too many things he does wrong that have nothing to do with talent level. I am curious what he looks like coaching a talented offense. I think he may be able find good success in this scenerio. Big test coming up with Saquon coming back against a weak defense.
Punting late in the game on 4th and 2?
The team played hard all of last year. This is a young team that will take it's lumps because of it. He has a reputation of a quarterback guru and I don't want to get into churning through head coaches or philosophies with DJ.
I think everybody was under the realization last year that we didn't have the talent to consistently compete and we are 1 1/4 years into a fix. He gets 3.
Punting late in the game on 4th and 2?
Since when is that what the measurement should be? Shurmur seems like a nice guy and is a solid QB/Coordinator type. There are a lot of guys like that in the NFL. This is the New York Giants, a championship franchise. We aren't winning championships with this guy as our head coach. Time to realize that and start looking at other candidates.
His game management leaves a lot to be desired. I think he makes bad decisions at crucial times and basically does not seem like he has a good handle on the game.
I know Belichick is the best of all time so it’s not a fair comparison, but he is in total control of the game and routinely makes the correct decision at critical junctures.
They play hard because most of the guys on this roster are rookies and young guys, some of which wouldn't be playing on other teams because they're not good enough. They're just thrilled to have an opportunity, or don't have the job security to do anything BUT play hard.
"They play hard" isn't actually any kind of evaluation of how good Shurmur is at his job.
I am now convinced that he isn't the right man to lead the team with playoff aspirations. I predicted a 7-9 record this season but next year the Giants should expect to make the playoffs but I don't think Shurmur is the guy to get us there.
If Shurmur is brought back next year, I think he will be, I hope he makes changes to his staff at least.
We don’t have a team with enough actual talent to win week in and week out.
We have improvement and things are progressing.
We are also starting a rookie at QB.
Next season is the season to crucify him if he stinks it up.
Why would you want to put DJ in a new offense and have him learn all over again. Continuity is a great thing and I am sure they will be pretty good next season.
No one really wanted to admit we were rebuilding both last year and this year, so it’s time to come to grip with reality. Stuff doesn’t get better over night.
So after two seasons is it fair to say that he should be able to beat the Cowboys and Eagles once in four tries against each one?
I would like to see him gone if he does not beat the Cowboys or Eagles this year.
Hopefully they look at Matt Rhule.
Our defense started a brand new secondary. Full of rookies and DeAndre Baker has played all of 2 weeks of training camp at that point. Also Eli started too.
My biggest concern. Is he anywhere near the best coach in the Division?
This made me laugh out loud. Love the bluntness.
Shurmur as head coach = wasted years. I'm tired of wasting years.
Me too, it should be too separate words. Just like the whole resign/re-sign thing.
The team played hard all of last year. This is a young team that will take it's lumps because of it. He has a reputation of a quarterback guru and I don't want to get into churning through head coaches or philosophies with DJ.
I think everybody was under the realization last year that we didn't have the talent to consistently compete and we are 1 1/4 years into a fix. He gets 3.
This was. Totally legitimate move by the coach. You might disagree it, entitled to your opinion. But to call it inexcusable is a bit much,,,,no?
By the way, he Peppers made the play and Giants got ball back and scored, we be singing his praises for coaching to win.
Your comment, stating a questionable opinion as fact, is what fans do, I get it. But come on, be fair.
"Its gonna take some time man, injuries. Take some time for the offense to get set."
New York Giants vernacular, 2013-present
The way we handled the ElI benching really screwed Shurmur from the start. Could have axed him 2 years ago, still drafted Saquon, and used that cap for better players.
Instead you whined and bitched and moaned and here we are finally headed in the right direction after slowly ripping the bandaid off and you want to reverse course.
Our team has been gutted in 2 years and DG hasn’t really landed great FA help but let’s put him up on a pedestal.
This is what needed to be done. Shurmur actually deserves a year when we have a more complete team to coach. He’s fair game at that point, but right now he’s making something out of nothing. It’s actually watchable football.
I don't see why you don't try to preserve time there. In the past, teams have always been reluctant to use a TO there, as to give the opponent time to think about things. Letting the clock run was sorta a rule.
But calling a TO there gives you chance. When Ballentine returned the kickoff from nearly 8 yards deep, that was the right move too considering the clock. A decent to big return could have resulted in a FG with 30 seconds left. When he only reached the 20, you take a knee.
Then you get the ball to start the second half.
Shurmur did the same thing last week versus Minny - but sorta screwed it up by calling an opening run play rather than pass.
And is Shumur related to Jason Tuck?
Hopefully Alan stocked up on Kleenex from Costco before Jones was named the starter.
If it does come to down to a change the Giants should consider who is available to replace him before they fire him.
This team had gone through this already before they hired Coughlin. Not only does this team need a continued infusion in talent, but a real kick in the ass in the coaching department is required
And he doesn’t seem that competent as a HC either. Let’s not do the same mental gymnastics on his coaching like we did Eli’s play. We should realize that this is a lost season and Shurmur is here to keep the seat warm.
Let’s hope for a turnaround like Fisher to McVey.
So after two seasons is it fair to say that he should be able to beat the Cowboys and Eagles once in four tries against each one?
I would like to see him gone if he does not beat the Cowboys or Eagles this year.
Hopefully they look at Matt Rhule.
Each one got fired or was close to being fired.. Fans know nothing
Jones is struggling with reads so let's play faster and put him under more intense pressure? Makes no sense.
Down 14 with 7 minutes and a 4th and 2 so let's punt? Mind bogglingly stupid.
Featuring Hilliman over Penny after the rookie has already had fumbles in previous games? He should have minimized this kids exposure. Illogical at best, idiotic at worst and cost us 7 points.
I've supported Shurmur but each week my trust erodes. Gameplan, playcalling, personnel decisions, time management, situational strategies...he's failed in every area.
Jones is struggling with reads so let's play faster and put him under more intense pressure? Makes no sense.
Down 14 with 7 minutes and a 4th and 2 so let's punt? Mind bogglingly stupid.
Featuring Hilliman over Penny after the rookie has already had fumbles in previous games? He should have minimized this kids exposure. Illogical at best, idiotic at worst and cost us 7 points.
I've supported Shurmur but each week my trust erodes. Gameplan, playcalling, personnel decisions, time management, situational strategies...he's failed in every area.
This, there's just too many things he does wrong that have nothing to do with talent level. I am curious what he looks like coaching a talented offense. I think he may be able find good success in this scenerio. Big test coming up with Saquon coming back against a weak defense.