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Francessa: What a buzz kill

Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 3:13 pm
Opens his show with 30 seconds on why the Giants and Giants fans have nothing positive to take away from last night's loss.

Technically, he's not incorrect that the Pats won comfortably. But to completely dismiss anything positive to take away is really looking to be negative and hyper-critical. His argument that our D doesn't deserve any credit is the Pats' offense sucks. Really?
Why  
cjac : 10/11/2019 3:15 pm : link
do you listen to him?
Nice try...  
Jan in DC : 10/11/2019 3:16 pm : link
to get us to listen to your show Mike.
I wonder what my mailman  
Ron Johnson : 10/11/2019 3:17 pm : link
thinks
RE: Nice try...  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14625051 Jan in DC said:
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to get us to listen to your show Mike.


LMFAO
Francesa holds grudges....  
Drewcon40 : 10/11/2019 3:18 pm : link
...I actually think the media as a whole was almost "upset" at the Giants for not making an expected pick at #6 and selecting Jones there. This may not make a lot of sense on a message board as I have discussed this with friends.

Francesa used to be plugged in and I think Gettleman had a pre-draft interview that maybe rubbed Mike F the wrong way. Just my opinion.
I donít live in NY or listen to him  
NY-Fan : 10/11/2019 3:19 pm : link
But my opinion of him is he is not worth the time of day to listen.
RE: Why  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14625049 cjac said:
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do you listen to him?


Sometimes he has good stuff. I think he's particularly good with baseball. And while I'm a Mets fan, I'm invested in the Yankees postseason because I don't hate them and I have so many friends and family members who are Yankees fans and I'm happy for them.

Usually, I just cherrypick content from his show via the podcast, but today I was streaming Bart and Maggie live and just let the player keep running after their show.
One other thing  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 3:23 pm : link
Football Fridays are a good time to listen to da sports pope because he has good NFL and CFB analysts on. He almost always has the Giant's former team doctor (O'Brian?) on to discuss injuries around the NFL on Fridays, too.
He is in a period of hating the Giants now  
moespree : 10/11/2019 3:25 pm : link
Hates Gettleman. Hates Shurmur. Indifferent on Jones, though my guess is he probably hopes he fails.

Really there's no point in listening to his Giants take. It's agenda driven because he's having a temper tantrum towards them at the moment.
Mike felt personally betrayed by the Jones pick  
Oscar : 10/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
Because he realized heís out of the loop with the team. He turned on the Giants the day after the draft, everything since then has to be viewed in that context.

Itís kind of a weird balancing act because he transparently hates the Jets as well and they are dreadful but heís looking for a silver lining with that team.
Heís still  
MtDizzle : 10/11/2019 3:34 pm : link
butt hurt that the Giants want nothing to do with him so heís gonna lash out on his airwaves.
1990s called  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/11/2019 3:36 pm : link
They want their relavent sports talk show host back.
IMO, he's an angry Giants fan  
jcn56 : 10/11/2019 3:39 pm : link
he's frustrated, to the point where sometimes he makes no sense. And he's got that grudge going on between him and the team, which only makes matters worse.
In Mikeís first interview with Barkley...  
VinegarPeppers : 10/11/2019 3:47 pm : link
...he asked him what number he was going to wear and Saquon said 26, and Mike said ďoh 26 huh...ok...okĒ like he didnít have a clue what number Saquon wore at PSU.
RE: Mike felt personally betrayed by the Jones pick  
Drewcon40 : 10/11/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14625077 Oscar said:
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Because he realized heís out of the loop with the team. He turned on the Giants the day after the draft, everything since then has to be viewed in that context.

Itís kind of a weird balancing act because he transparently hates the Jets as well and they are dreadful but heís looking for a silver lining with that team.


Thank you Oscar - I thought it was just me - he had this odd anti-Giants stance. Even the way he has knocked Gettleman for not being available after the team went with Jones as the starter in week 3. Shurmur's cancellation just fanned the flames.
He lost me when he once considered Sinorice Moss  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/11/2019 3:48 pm : link
the Giants best WR.
Who....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 10/11/2019 3:48 pm : link
....caze?
RE: IMO, he's an angry Giants fan  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14625088 jcn56 said:
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he's frustrated, to the point where sometimes he makes no sense. And he's got that grudge going on between him and the team, which only makes matters worse.


Maybe, but he has said more than once over the years that he's not a Giants fan and that people thought he was because he had a personal relationship with Parcells (and that they had some sort of falling out before sort of patching things up after a few years). I don't recall him saying who he's a fan of, other than the Yankees.
because of this thread...  
Drewcon40 : 10/11/2019 3:50 pm : link
...I decided to tune in. Now I am a Mets fan, as well but the stories should be

Either Giants/Patriots review or Yankees/Astros and maybe Darnold returning....

the topic - Beltran as possible Mets manager.
RE: RE: IMO, he's an angry Giants fan  
jcn56 : 10/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14625105 Fort Mill Mike said:
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In comment 14625088 jcn56 said:


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he's frustrated, to the point where sometimes he makes no sense. And he's got that grudge going on between him and the team, which only makes matters worse.



Maybe, but he has said more than once over the years that he's not a Giants fan and that people thought he was because he had a personal relationship with Parcells (and that they had some sort of falling out before sort of patching things up after a few years). I don't recall him saying who he's a fan of, other than the Yankees.


He claims to not root for any one team - but if you listen to him, it's pretty clear. I don't spend much time listening to him and what I hear from him doesn't differ much from a lot of other Giant fan complaining I hear.

Which doesn't make him a great listen, but at least explains a few things.
Not even the defense?  
Leg of Theismann : 10/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
I at least can give plenty of credit to the defense. I mean they allowed 3 TDs and scored a TD themselves, which means they basically allowed a net 14 points. That combined with the offense making one great play (the long TD to Tate) should have resulted in the team being in it at the very end.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
I don't listen to his show. But his type is so transparently immature.
RE: because of this thread...  
Jints in Carolina : 10/11/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14625107 Drewcon40 said:
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...I decided to tune in. Now I am a Mets fan, as well but the stories should be

Either Giants/Patriots review or Yankees/Astros and maybe Darnold returning....

the topic - Beltran as possible Mets manager.


There is constant Mets and Jets talk all day on WFAN.
Whatever you think of him, he's not wrong  
Go Terps : 10/11/2019 3:55 pm : link
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He's right and wrong  
aimrocky : 10/11/2019 4:00 pm : link
The Giants played harder last night than they have in any game this season and it looks like the D is coming together.

The negative is that the coach continues to manage the game like a novice and, despite the reasoning behind each turnover, a team cannot make as many mistakes as it did last night. There were more positives than negatives, but I'm not overly ecstatic today. I'm most happy that they gave me 3.25 quarters of entertaining football.
RE: Whatever you think of him, he's not wrong  
Matt in SGS : 10/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14625115 Go Terps said:
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To your point, he's right in some cases for the wrong reasons. He's pissed because the Giants didn't clue him in on their plans. Mike's whole thing is trying to pretend he has access that others don't based on his years in the media. The Giants ignored him or gave him false info. They clearly leaked the Odell stuff to Glazer which I'm sure Francesa didn't like. And he got blindsided by the Jones pick at 6.

Now, he can't stand the Giants front office and will take shots at them. So long as the Giants are losing, it's an easy target for him.

Personally, I think the Gettleman is doing a good job on the draft front (I know you don't like the Barkley pick), but overall he's done the right thing in blowing up the team and it appears he's found his QB of the future, which was the crux of everything, to find Eli's replacement. His free agency scorecard is less stellar, though Marcus Golden appears to be a find. Even Aikman gave some praise last night to the Giants that slowly they are building something positive.

But Francesa has become a characture of himself at this point of his career. People are making fun of him and he's not self aware enough to recognize it. So while some of his criticism of the Giants might not be wrong, the way he's come to that conclusion has less to do with his understanding about the team and more his need to crap on them to settle scores.
Matt in SGS  
Go Terps : 10/11/2019 4:12 pm : link
I agree that Gettleman has drafted well. I'd be fine with him running the college scouting department.

I also agree that Francesa has become a caricature. However, he's not wrong if he's saying we shouldn't be taking moral victories from last night.
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Danny Kanell : 10/11/2019 4:26 pm : link
He's not wrong to a point but now that Shurmur bailed on his show and he still holds a grudge with Gettleman and thinking he was "given wrong info" on the draft, you will not get a fair assessment on the Giants from Francesa until this entire regime is gone. This is how he is. He's a scorned ex girlfriend.
RE: ...  
Gettledogman : 10/11/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14625113 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't listen to his show. But his type is so transparently immature.


like most fans. Prove me wrong lol
"the Pats won comfortably"  
BillT : 10/11/2019 4:39 pm : link
Actually they didn't. They were one touchdown ahead in the 4th quarter and the Giants had the ball. Now, they cruised from there but a half a quarter isn't a comfortable win even if the final score says something else.
He is a clown with a clown show  
ZogZerg : 10/11/2019 4:49 pm : link
Shocked how many on this board listen to this wind bag.
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Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14625177 BillT said:
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Actually they didn't. They were one touchdown ahead in the 4th quarter and the Giants had the ball. Now, they cruised from there but a half a quarter isn't a comfortable win even if the final score says something else.


Good point. I mean, the whole world expected this game to be over before the half. Hell, I would have signed up for the Giants being within a TD with less than 10 minutes left in the game. With so many important starters on offense out and a somewhat patchwork D with some walking wounded starting? Hell, yeah.

I've not listened to the entire show since I posted but tuned in again and it sounds like Mike is getting a lot of push back from Giants fans and now is grudgingly giving the team a little more credit. Praised the defense a little and said Shurmer is a decent "play-caller...sequencer..."
Wasn't Shumur asked that exact question..  
BillKo : 10/11/2019 4:57 pm : link
..and his answer was simply "No, we were not good enough tonight. It's about winning."

Not sure what else to say when the head guy says that...........
RE: He is in a period of hating the Giants now  
joeinpa : 10/11/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14625071 moespree said:
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Hates Gettleman. Hates Shurmur. Indifferent on Jones, though my guess is he probably hopes he fails.

Really there's no point in listening to his Giants take. It's agenda driven because he's having a temper tantrum towards them at the moment.


This. I was a big fan of his, but I ve lost respect for the reasons you state. I could have predicted last night his take on this game.

He s been spurned by the Giants so now his take on anything they do will be spun to the negative. He s revealing himself and looking foolish in the process
You had a buzz to kill?  
81_Great_Dane : 10/11/2019 6:30 pm : link
I thought the Giants did pretty well last night, in some ways. I saw a lot of things to build on. But nothing to really give me a buzz. Jones' long TD pass was a start but he didn't play well enough to get me a buzz overall.
'Whatever you think of him, he's not wrong'  
Torrag : 10/11/2019 6:41 pm : link
He's usually wrong and is wrong in this case too. Our defense played well last night against the defending Superbowl Champions. That is something to consider a plus and perhaps something to build on. To suggest otherwise is an agenda speaking to it's owners grudge.
Instead of posting here  
Darth Paul : 10/11/2019 7:37 pm : link
You could just call his show and take it up with him. I doubt he reads your concerns here, and most of us do not care.
"Comfortable win" ????  
CT Charlie : 10/11/2019 7:44 pm : link
IF Shurmur had gone for it on 4th and 2 -- not a crazy thought -- and if we'd gained a 1st down (also not unreasonable), we would have had the ball, down only 7, with 6-7 minutes left in the game. Ask BB if he felt comfortable...
RE:  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14625379 CT Charlie said:
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IF Shurmur had gone for it on 4th and 2 -- not a crazy thought -- and if we'd gained a 1st down (also not unreasonable), we would have had the ball, down only 7, with 6-7 minutes left in the game. Ask BB if he felt comfortable...


Excellent point
RE: Instead of posting here  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14625371 Darth Paul said:
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You could just call his show and take it up with him. I doubt he reads your concerns here, and most of us do not care.


Then why did you click on the thread? Apparently, you do care.
RE: You had a buzz to kill?  
Fort Mill Mike : 10/11/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14625326 81_Great_Dane said:
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I thought the Giants did pretty well last night, in some ways. I saw a lot of things to build on. But nothing to really give me a buzz. Jones' long TD pass was a start but he didn't play well enough to get me a buzz overall.


Perhaps that could have been better articulated. I was referring to the silver lining mode some of us adopted after that game. A play here or there, some better officiating, and the Giants could have slain the dragon last night.
Giants  
TyreeHelmet : 10/11/2019 10:03 pm : link
How is he wrong? Shows how far this franchise has fallen that moral victories are celebrated. This game was closer to 50-7 than the Giants pulling the upset.
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santacruzom : 10/11/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14625379 CT Charlie said:
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IF Shurmur had gone for it on 4th and 2 -- not a crazy thought -- and if we'd gained a 1st down (also not unreasonable), we would have had the ball, down only 7, with 6-7 minutes left in the game. Ask BB if he felt comfortable...


I think we were down 14 points at that time. And BB was probably comfortable in the knowledge that Shurmur didn't have the guys to go for it.
C'mon, the guy can't stay awake for his own show,  
smshmth8690 : 10/11/2019 10:47 pm : link
there's no way he could stay up to watch a whole Thursday night game.
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SirLoinOfBeef : 10/12/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14625439 Fort Mill Mike said:
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In comment 14625379 CT Charlie said:


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IF Shurmur had gone for it on 4th and 2 -- not a crazy thought -- and if we'd gained a 1st down (also not unreasonable), we would have had the ball, down only 7, with 6-7 minutes left in the game. Ask BB if he felt comfortable...



Excellent point


Actually, we were down by 14 points. And doing absolutely nothing on offense by that time. It was a "big picture" decision I believe by all involved, including the FO.
Hook Hairs  
JesseS : 10/12/2019 10:49 am : link
folks
If he came on the air praising our moral victory  
HomerJones45 : 10/12/2019 1:29 pm : link
you would all be lining up to suck his cock but he didn't so now he's an immature asshole. Check.

Enjoy the moral victory. I suppose there needs to be something to cling to when the Pats treated us like the Redskins- mailed it in and won by 20.

We got so accustomed to Reese's follies that we mistake a very average GM for someone "building something" because he got rid of a bunch of JAGS and replaced them with for the most part other JAGS. The Cardinals, not overburdened with talent, found Golden expendable. Peppers runs around alot and does nothing well. Bethea sucks. Golden Tate can't separate from his grandmother. These are all major acquisitions.

Unlike Reese, who was a total and complete disaster, Gettlemen at least shuffles the roster which I suppose is something and may stumble into some guys who can play as he has with Slayton. Maybe Lawrence (although the Pats showed you all what they thought of Lawrence by running 7 qb sneaks with a 43 year old qb).

As for the qb of the future, his play has regressed each week over the last four weeks and he was awful against the Pats (unless of course you delude yourself into seeing rainbows and gum drops). That is to be expected as the League gets film on him. What remains to be seen is how he adjusts to DC's getting his number. Is he the real deal or is he (as some analysts thought) the next Tannehill? Stay tuned.
I listened to the fat bastid  
mrvax : 10/12/2019 1:50 pm : link
a few times during the 90's. I just didn't like him at all. So I have no idea nor do I care what he says about anything. (This is not a knock on this thread.)
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