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Giants waive Hilliman & sign Buck Allen

Big Rick in FL : 10/11/2019 4:59 pm
Per Rapsheet on Twitter.
THERE WILL BE..  
BillKo : 10/11/2019 5:00 pm : link
..HELL TO PAY FOR TURNOVERS.
Good  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2019 5:00 pm : link
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Thank you  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 5:04 pm : link
It's 2 game too late.
Better receiver than runner  
jeff57 : 10/11/2019 5:04 pm : link
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He struggled lat season  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 5:11 pm : link
but he did have almost as many receptions as carries. 41 carries but 35 receptions.

He can't be worse than Hilliman.
Why over CJ  
5BowlsSoon : 10/11/2019 5:11 pm : link
Money?
Signed Allen over C.J. Anderson  
sphinx : 10/11/2019 5:12 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Giants signed RB Buck Allen after holding a workout that included veteran C.J. Anderson. They waived rookie Jon Hilliman.

Sy's old scouting report  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2019 5:13 pm : link
8 – Javorius Allen – USC - 6’0/221 - 77

Pro Upside Comparison: Chris Ivory/NYJ

Strong Points: Complete, every down back. Has the power, size, and running style to perform the role as a shirt yardage back. Can also catch the ball out of the backfield like a receiver and block oncoming pass rushers with consistent success. Strong and well developed lower body. Has the vision in space to create angles and take advantage of potential cutback lanes. Easy runner past the second level, has runaway speed. Equally effective inside and outside. Breaks a lot of tackles and will gain yards after contact on almost every carry. Relentless pursuit of more yards.

Weak Points: Inconsistent pad level when approaching the inside runs. Will leave his lower body susceptible to too much contact, some of which is unnecessary. Vision between the tackles doesn’t match his vision in space. Will be late to see running lanes on the straight ahead runs. Isn’t always as assertive as he should be. Will too often look for the big play rather than sure yards. Balance after cuts is inconsistent.

Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Put together a season and a half of very good, well balanced production. Allen may be one of the top all around backs in this class because his game really doesn’t have a standout weakness. He can run, catch, and block all at a high level. He is a hard nosed runner that will play through the whistle, but also has the finesse and vision of a space back. His frame will allow him to hold up for a lot of touches in the NFL, but even he needs to learn how to economically use his body. If he takes the amount of extra hits with his high pad level in the NFL as he did in college, he will have a hard time staying on the field. With that said, he has the upside to be a productive starter in the league.

*Hard guy not to like. He plays really hard and has a lot of talent, plain and simple. He can be a bruiser between the tackles but he’s one of those backs that can be faster than the guy chasing him. I always have an extra liking for those kind of backs. For where I think you can get him, he may be right up there with Cobb as the best value opportunity at the RB spot.
LOL - very Belichick like  
stoneman : 10/11/2019 5:14 pm : link
that fumble hurt - not as bad as the interception though.
Like  
AcidTest : 10/11/2019 5:14 pm : link
many, I would have preferred Anderson, but it really doesn't make much of a difference. Barkley is expected back for Arizona. They may have also wanted someone who was at least a decent receiver out of the backfield.
I like this kid  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 5:17 pm : link
He's a good receiver out of the backfield. He's a big strong runner also. Hopefully he doesn't see time because Barkley and Gallman stay healthy but I feel more comfortable with him as a backup than Hilliman.
RE: Why over CJ  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/11/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14625231 5BowlsSoon said:
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Money?


CJ Anderson is slow, he looked a lot better because the Rams were moving people in run game.
pretty irrelevant now  
Torrag : 10/11/2019 5:22 pm : link
they need to make this move as soon as gallman was injured. No excuse for relying on Hilliman to do a job he wasn't capable of. Bad job by the entire organization on this one.
Dear Hilliman:  
V.I.G. : 10/11/2019 5:28 pm : link
Look at the bright side. The healthcare is free in Canada.
I was wondering what happened to him  
santacruzom : 10/11/2019 5:28 pm : link
He had some pretty high expectations last year and then just kind of faded into obscurity.
RE: pretty irrelevant now  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14625249 Torrag said:
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they need to make this move as soon as gallman was injured. No excuse for relying on Hilliman to do a job he wasn't capable of. Bad job by the entire organization on this one.

It's hard to disagree with you here. I am still surprised they didn't make a move right after the Vikings game. Actually I thought they should have added a vet RB after the Bucs game.
Where's the Hilliman appreciation thread on here?  
micky : 10/11/2019 5:37 pm : link
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RE: pretty irrelevant now  
section125 : 10/11/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14625249 Torrag said:
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they need to make this move as soon as gallman was injured. No excuse for relying on Hilliman to do a job he wasn't capable of. Bad job by the entire organization on this one.


Glad you are the chief talent evaluator of the NFL. They had Hilliman on the roster and he did look good in preseason. Tried him for a couple games and it did not work. Happens a lot. Hard to get a player on two days..
RE: RE: pretty irrelevant now  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/11/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14625285 section125 said:
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Glad you are the chief talent evaluator of the NFL. They had Hilliman on the roster and he did look good in preseason. Tried him for a couple games and it did not work. Happens a lot. Hard to get a player on two days..

On top of that with the short week it would have been impossible to get a new guy integrated in the offense in any serious way.
This  
Mike Graves : 10/11/2019 6:18 pm : link
Should of happen week 4 just saying
RE: Dear Hilliman:  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 10/11/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14625258 V.I.G. said:
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Look at the bright side. The healthcare is free in Canada.

Not for visiting CFL players.
Helluva life, NFL fringe player.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/11/2019 6:27 pm : link
You are a long shot coming out of Rutgers, signed as a UDFA. You make the Practice Squad. You have a chance to be an NFL running back. Game 3 of the season, the team's top RB gets hurt. You're promoted! You're in the NFL! A week later the #2 running back is hurt. You're playing! You're getting reps! You're an NFL running back.

A week later you fumble. Four days later you fumble again. The day after that, you're waived. In about 2 weeks you've gone from has-a-chance to already-failed as an NFL RB. Sheesh.
I guess  
Jerry K : 10/11/2019 6:30 pm : link
we had an opening for a "shirt yardage back."
RE: Why over CJ  
Brown Recluse : 10/11/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14625231 5BowlsSoon said:
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Money?


Maybe because CJ Anderson is a fat slob?

Oh but he’s a name you recognize right?

Good grief.
RE: Helluva life, NFL fringe player.  
uther99 : 10/11/2019 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14625323 81_Great_Dane said:
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You are a long shot coming out of Rutgers, signed as a UDFA. You make the Practice Squad. You have a chance to be an NFL running back. Game 3 of the season, the team's top RB gets hurt. You're promoted! You're in the NFL! A week later the #2 running back is hurt. You're playing! You're getting reps! You're an NFL running back.

A week later you fumble. Four days later you fumble again. The day after that, you're waived. In about 2 weeks you've gone from has-a-chance to already-failed as an NFL RB. Sheesh.


A roller coaster for these guys, but it wasn't just the fumbles. He's not an NFL RB
RE: Helluva life, NFL fringe player.  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/11/2019 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14625323 81_Great_Dane said:
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You are a long shot coming out of Rutgers, signed as a UDFA. You make the Practice Squad. You have a chance to be an NFL running back. Game 3 of the season, the team's top RB gets hurt. You're promoted! You're in the NFL! A week later the #2 running back is hurt. You're playing! You're getting reps! You're an NFL running back.

A week later you fumble. Four days later you fumble again. The day after that, you're waived. In about 2 weeks you've gone from has-a-chance to already-failed as an NFL RB. Sheesh.

He could have survived the fumbles if he had been effective when he held on to the ball.
Highlights  
Professor Falken : 10/11/2019 7:09 pm : link
from his time with the Ravens.
Buck - ( New Window )
RE: Highlights  
Brown Recluse : 10/11/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14625352 Professor Falken said:
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from his time with the Ravens. Buck - ( New Window )


Definite upgrade over Hilliman.
This is why this franchise sucks  
lecky : 10/11/2019 7:39 pm : link
There should have been a Buck Allen on board from the get go. Hilliman was by no means an NFL running back and it only takes one injury to have to use the 3rd running back. This coaching staff is a joke. Gameday and during the week.
NFL = NOT FOR LONG  
morrison40 : 10/11/2019 7:41 pm : link
especially if you are an UDF that fumbled 2 games in a row on your first audition! ....NEXT
There’s no up side with CJ Anderson  
UConn4523 : 10/11/2019 8:01 pm : link
he’s slow and old. Liked him in his prime but he’s done. Don’t expect much with Allen but he’s at least got more upside and maybe ends up going a decent compliment.
Hilliman  
XBRONX : 10/11/2019 9:05 pm : link
stunk in college and stunk in preseason. Never understood him being signed.
jesus christ  
Rory : 10/11/2019 9:31 pm : link
this board is filled with nothing but sad angry little bitches.

Hey if you can’t play,  
prdave73 : 10/11/2019 10:12 pm : link
You shouldn’t be allowed in this league. Period we all said why is Shurmur playing this guy? There’s your answer.
What da Buck worth a shot ...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/11/2019 10:12 pm : link
anything but Hilliman should have had him when Barkley
went down ..better late than never but this is poor
personal decision in keeping Hilliman period ...
Agree with some here  
Marty866b : 10/11/2019 11:25 pm : link
Why wasn't this guy signed four weeks ago. Allen is a legit NFL back. Hilliman is a practice squad player. This GM leaves a lot to b3 desired.
I was rooting for Hilliman during preseason  
Festina Lente : 10/12/2019 12:50 am : link
but it didn't work out. It's a tough league. Wish him the best and hope he enjoyed his brief stint.
I'm really not surprised  
mrvax : 10/12/2019 1:14 am : link
that Shurmur listens to the BBI consensus. I hope the kid shocks the world and makes Barkley expendable.
RE: There’s no up side with CJ Anderson  
5BowlsSoon : 10/12/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14625392 UConn4523 said:
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he’s slow and old. Liked him in his prime but he’s done. Don’t expect much with Allen but he’s at least got more upside and maybe ends up going a decent compliment.


Old? Is he older than Buck? I believe Buck is 28!
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the giants  
Giantimistic : 10/12/2019 9:58 am : link
Draft a th in the first 4 or 5 rounds
RE: Wouldn’t be surprised to see the giants  
Jay on the Island : 10/12/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14625594 Giantimistic said:
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Draft a th in the first 4 or 5 rounds

Going into the 2019 draft I thought it would be wise if the Giants took Bryce Love in rounds 4-5. That was before they gave up one of each in the Baker trade up.
RE: RE: Why over CJ  
Joey in VA : 10/12/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14625343 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14625231 5BowlsSoon said:


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Money?



Maybe because CJ Anderson is a fat slob?

Oh but he’s a name you recognize right?

Good grief.
OMG he totally is a fat slob!
RE: Agree with some here  
Big Blue '56 : 10/12/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14625494 Marty866b said:
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Why wasn't this guy signed four weeks ago. Allen is a legit NFL back. Hilliman is a practice squad player. This GM leaves a lot to b3 desired.


Oh please.
Pass blocking  
Vanzetti : 10/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
Allen is very adept.

Penny has also done a good job picking guys up
RE: Highlights  
Ivan15 : 10/12/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14625352 Professor Falken said:
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from his time with the Ravens. Buck - ( New Window )


Looks good but hard to tell when looking at 3 different angles of the same run.

I like that he can run left or right and changes the ball to his outside hand.
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