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Sneakers O'toole : 10/11/2019 5:13 pm
Anyone catch this yet? Just got done watching it. Thought it was very good, worthy of the show.

Loved seeing Skinny Pete and Badger. Pete had Jessie's back. Loved seeing that. Lots of Meth Damon. He's great as a psychopath.

Thoughts?
Just watched it too  
Pork Chop : 10/11/2019 5:57 pm : link
It was excellent, as good a Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul episode. Beautiful scenery, great writing.

Some good call-backs and explanations.

"Man, you're like my hero and shit"
Pete stood tall for him  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/11/2019 6:00 pm : link
Might have been my favorite part. I thought maybe we'd see him interrogated but I guess not.
Watching at 8:00  
5BowlsSoon : 10/11/2019 6:02 pm : link
I will revisit this thread after I watch. With Vince writing it, it has to be great.
Thought it was great, lots of fun.  
Giantgator : 10/11/2019 9:52 pm : link
Anyone remember who Jessie owed the vacuum guy $125K for?
He was going to leave once before  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/11/2019 10:21 pm : link
He changed his mind when he realized Huell stole the poison cigarette. He went back to confront Saul.

Vaccuum dude still wants his pay.
Loved it  
5BowlsSoon : 10/11/2019 10:37 pm : link
No surprise seeing a loved BB and BCS.

Jesse looks great and as usual is a great actor.
RE: He was going to leave once before  
John In CO : 10/12/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14625472 Sneakers O'toole said:
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He changed his mind when he realized Huell stole the poison cigarette. He went back to confront Saul.

Vaccuum dude still wants his pay.


If I recall correctly, I think Saul spelled that out as part of the deal; he gets paid whether you go or not.

Really enjoyed El Camino. Just a kick in the ass to finish watching the episode and the first think I find out when I go online is Robert Forster died today. Guy was a damn good actor and really good as the Vacuum dude.
Finished it as well, solid all around  
mfsd : 10/12/2019 12:47 am : link
The backstory bit with Todd went on a little too long, my only nitpick. Good appearances by all the characters they brought back.

Will have to look up online to read about all the Easter eggs, I’m sure I missed some. My favorite was the huge guy who drove the 3 hookers, he was also in BCS...one of the guys who was also to be hired by the nerdy drug dealer, then ran away bc he was scared of Mike.
Lol  
Route 9 : 10/12/2019 3:47 am : link
Good... but, not what I was expecting. I will admit, the whole "bringing back old shows" trend is becoming very tiresome for me.

I thought this story was going to be set during our present-day and we find ourselves catching up with whatever shit Jesse was getting into in his life outside of ABQ. Maybe I should watch more trailers but I want nothing spoiled for me.

This just kind of added to the fact Jesse got away and escaped again, cool?

I just wasn't sitting on the edge of my seat like the good old days. I knew Jesse was going to get away .... isn't that why I watched in the finale, the first time, in 2013? That would be kind of silly to give an ending to a highly acclaimed TV show such as Breaking Bad and then come forward and say, "oh, by the way, 20 minutes or two days later, Jesse was caught and/or killed."

I don't want to say this updated plot was unnecessary but I was expecting a bit more in quality, or even really something adding to the story.

Gotta mention, Aaron Paul is now... 40? And Jesse is still 25 in the story, looked weird. Lol.

Kind of funny to see Jesse send Brock the letter and then he's done with him for good and who cares about Andrea? and begins fantasizing about Jane, haha.

Maybe I'm just a crotchety old man now, but Breaking Bad came into my life when I was 21 or 22. Just seeing everyone all old and fat made it feel as if I were watching my favorite band in concert, all washed up. Todd must be hanging out with the doctor from Saw because he got fat as fuck in a very, short amount of time!
RE: Lol  
5BowlsSoon : 10/12/2019 8:05 am : link
In comment 14625529 Route 9 said:
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Good... but, not what I was expecting. I will admit, the whole "bringing back old shows" trend is becoming very tiresome for me.

I thought this story was going to be set during our present-day and we find ourselves catching up with whatever shit Jesse was getting into in his life outside of ABQ. Maybe I should watch more trailers but I want nothing spoiled for me.

This just kind of added to the fact Jesse got away and escaped again, cool?

I just wasn't sitting on the edge of my seat like the good old days. I knew Jesse was going to get away .... isn't that why I watched in the finale, the first time, in 2013? That would be kind of silly to give an ending to a highly acclaimed TV show such as Breaking Bad and then come forward and say, "oh, by the way, 20 minutes or two days later, Jesse was caught and/or killed."

I don't want to say this updated plot was unnecessary but I was expecting a bit more in quality, or even really something adding to the story.

Gotta mention, Aaron Paul is now... 40? And Jesse is still 25 in the story, looked weird. Lol.

Kind of funny to see Jesse send Brock the letter and then he's done with him for good and who cares about Andrea? and begins fantasizing about Jane, haha.

Maybe I'm just a crotchety old man now, but Breaking Bad came into my life when I was 21 or 22. Just seeing everyone all old and fat made it feel as if I were watching my favorite band in concert, all washed up. Todd must be hanging out with the doctor from Saw because he got fat as fuck in a very, short amount of time!


I enjoyed reading your post here....your words put a smile on my face (even though I did not see things as you did). Your last paragraph was the best...
Lol seriously Route 9  
mfsd : 10/12/2019 9:42 am : link
Reasonable people can disagree...it was Brian Cranston himself who said his favorite thing about TV and movies is everyone’s opinion is right, as we’re all free to like what we like.

But if you watched BB in your early 20s, your not an old man, your still a kid!
I am as huge a Breaking Bad fan as anyone...  
Overseer : 10/12/2019 1:40 pm : link
[SPOILERS]

Have seen the whole series 3 times through, plus many additional viewings of any number of individual episodes.

I found El Camino fairly superfluous and forced.

The ending was something one could safely assume would transpire based on the series finale, references to Alaska, and the overall sympathetic tone that Gilligan struck toward Jesse throughout the series. Despite all the heinous things he did, he was mostly portrayed as a "victim" of Walt's self-serving sociopathy.

Also uh, plot hole: you desperately need $1800 to pay Ed the vacuum man and you're driving around in a car you'll have no need for moving forward. Maybe, I don't know...sell the car to Old Joe or just give it to Ed?

I did still enjoy it enough to make it an unwasted 2 hours. Great music, cinematography, the always hilarious Skinny P & Badger, and a healthy dose of the oddly compelling Todd/Jesse dynamic.

But in general I say leave these legendary shows/movies alone once they're wrapped. A little left to audience imagination makes them not incomplete, but better.

I agree with Overseer....  
dannysection 313 : 10/12/2019 6:39 pm : link
SPOILERs!!

I thought it was one big chase scene with a very limited plot. Yea, kind of cool to see some of the old faces, but considering how compelling BB was, this was a pretty lame after-thought by some pretty talented writers...count me as disappointed and I too was a big BB fan.
Good, but underwhelming.  
MBavaro : 10/12/2019 9:49 pm : link
I guess that was inevitable given how good the show was.

I was hoping for more depth than just two days of Jesse trying to get money to pay the cleaner. This, condensed, would have made a great episode in a season.
I was entertained  
santacruzom : 10/14/2019 7:50 pm : link
But I don't think it lived up to the standards set by both BB and BCS. In particular, I felt like it held your hand far more than either of those shows ever did. For example, it was incredibly obvious the welder folks weren't cops the moment Jessie gave up his gun -- we didn't need Jessie to declare it. I feel like a Breaking Bad scene would have simply addressed Jessie's realization with a perfect facial expression.
I liked it  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 8:02 pm : link
when you think about it a 2 hour movie is probably 2 episodes of a show. Not sure what people were expecting working with that known time frame.

Maybe I'm different than some people in that I did actually wonder what happened to Jesse.

did he get away, did the feds catch him, did he salvage any cash? did he see Brock or wonder where he wound up.

So for me, even with not much plot, it still rekindled the same feelings from when I watched the show.

And the comment about Jesse being a victim is for me "sort of" in that Jesse definitely did some shady shit, but the way Gilligan wrote it, the most shadiest shit he did he always seemed to do it reluctantly and IMV he was basically a victim the whole series. Walt exploited Jesse.

To that point though, Walter White while he became an even shadier piece of shit was able to do so in a manner that still garnered sympathy from most viewers. That's not easy to do and it's a testament to the writing - even with El Camino IMO.
Not a waste of the time spent...  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 9:28 pm : link
but lacking the impact of the show imo.
pjcas18  
Route 9 : 10/15/2019 1:15 am : link
I liked Jesse as a character - a young kid in the world - wasting away his potential, thought he was funny, especially interacting with Walt but his whole "don't poison Brock, dont hurt kids" statement always annoyed the shit out of me. If anything, Todd's villainous character was more apt for that type of lifestyle in the criminal meth world and I just went with him being a piece of shit. Even Walter was reasonable describing his bastardly in behavior poisoning Brock.

"Don't ya think someone smart like me knows the proper amount to not kill him? It wasn't THAT bad!" Lol.

Jesse literally shot a guy he didn't even know, in the head and killed him, cold-blooded. Now, he is the morality police? He knew all Walt gave a fuck about was himself and that he was a dangerous person, but kept peddling on with that life along side of Walt. It's hard for me to sympathize with a criminal, drug addict.

In reference to the original finale, then why make that the intended endgame for Jesse though? Him pounding on the steering wheel with tears of joy, I figured was enough to pass on to the audience, he drove off into the sunset, in the "just missed me" world these characters lived in, finally away from ABQ and started a brand new life. Maybe have Brock receive a letter from Jesse in Alaska to show he made it?

The original finale hardly had Jesse in it, which I didn't have an issue with. That episode of Breaking Bad was more focused on the doings of Walt returning back to Albuquerque because ... the show was about Walt. Skyler was barely in it, too.

Was I in love with El Camino? No. But was it certainly better than reading about how losing by 21 to the New England Patriots is a "moral victory or a step in the right direction" and "Shurmur is a very unfair situation because of the cap" posts?

Yes.

I think as great as Breaking Bad was, there haven't been any shows even close to being as comparably as good, so I think I might be jaded from the show's orginal run. The characters, the dialogue, the pacing, the dark humor, the ridiculous, but yet original storyline, the supporting characters (Mike, Gus, Saul, Skinny Pete and Badger, lol) and "minor" characters being played by Bill Burr, Danny Trejo, Jere Burns, Robert Forster are just impossible to compete with.

It spoiled me so much that I thought even that El Camino and Better Call Saul (who both take place in the Breaking Bad universe) were just plain, OK, good. I give it a B.
I thought it was good, not great  
moespree : 10/15/2019 12:18 pm : link
Of BB, BCS, and this I think this is clearly the weakest. I think a main problem is other than Jesse it lacked emotional investment. We just retroactively got introduced to those two welding guys about 45 minutes before everything goes down. I didn't care they they died and it was obvious Jesse would win their little showdown.

I guess I just don't see the point in making the film. Jesse got away to Alaska like he always wanted. Okay, good. But what was the point in showing us the journey to get to that stage, when it could have just as easily been assumed off screen.
This was a simple story told in a 2 hour duration  
Rory : 10/18/2019 11:02 am : link
that had some very deep moments through real time events or flashbacks that added more strength to BB. Which is what I believe was Gilligan's main objective.

The skinny Pete scene where he's willing to sacrifice everything to help Jesse escape, where you keep asking yourself, "why is he do dedicated and doing this?" and then the reveal in 1 simple response. "Cause your my hero and shit" He even gives him his symbolic hat that always accompanied Petes character throughout the show.

The flashback scene with Walter White and Jesse in the diner where they show some level of compassion for each other with Walter almost choking and Jesse coming to his aid and the discussion for Jesse to go to college and how he has interest in sports medicine.

An my most favorite scene is when Jesse has the gun and is so beaten and destroyed inside he hands the gun back to Todd after Todd convinces him and almost befriends him. It makes the scene where he strangles him in the last episode that much more powerful.

But my theory is there could be a tie in BCS in the real time life of James McGill (Saul).



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