First, you can save time by just saying the entire offense was poor, if you are going to give a write-up like that. Jones obviously has a way to go, but there were some highlights to go along with the "lowlights" you mentioned.
I do not see Janoris Jenkins's play as a positive. He continues to get roasted, and even on his INT, the WR was open.
and an amateur. I thought Jenkins was awful(as did several others). Sy said he was a stud. A few posters said Zeitler was awful, Sy said he played well.
Good news was that Baker is playing better, as I think most of us thought.
I just looked it up and Solder being cut will save $6.5 mill but cost $13 mill in dead cap (out of $19.5 mill)...it might be well worth it. He is just flailing away out there or move him to RT...
I agree with your comments on Shurmer’s decision in the 4th. Those types of calls can’t continue, that’s playing to lose rather than playing to win football. It was an ugly game and I hope Jones comes out of these past two weeks improved after facing two of the best defenses in the league.
OT is still priority number one. I would love to hear your rankings on WR, tons of interesting talent coming up I really hope we get a guy that can help us out within the first 3 rounds.
and I hate to admit that Jones definitely didn't do enough to help himself out. He should have run a number of times BUT, I still see the guy who will lead this team for years.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
and I hate to admit that Jones definitely didn't do enough to help himself out. He should have run a number of times BUT, I still see the guy who will lead this team for years.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Shurmur is not a good coach. And, obviously, Jones needs to play better. But Jones did some good things as well - none of which seemed to be acknowledged in the write up - and Janoris did quite a few awful things. To me, Janoris has been awful overall. I don't care whether my eye is considered trained or not.
Given the circumstances I would have gone with the classic Coughlin/Eli Fabian strategy of not making mistakes and let ST/D or lucky play win. Not pretend that DJ8 is going to constantly drive down the field like Joe Mantegna against a D wired to stop Mahomes and LA Rams O. DJ8 had to not throw ints and either throw it away, take the sack or run (which I'm sure Little Bill was taking away).
and I hate to admit that Jones definitely didn't do enough to help himself out. He should have run a number of times BUT, I still see the guy who will lead this team for years.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Shurmur is not a good coach. And, obviously, Jones needs to play better. But Jones did some good things as well - none of which seemed to be acknowledged in the write up - and Janoris did quite a few awful things. To me, Janoris has been awful overall. I don't care whether my eye is considered trained or not.
I get it and agree about Jones with some good things but, there were some issues I didnt want yo admit during the game.
JJ was not good Thursday night. The Int was a shitty pass...
and I hate to admit that Jones definitely didn't do enough to help himself out. He should have run a number of times BUT, I still see the guy who will lead this team for years.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Shurmur is not a good coach. And, obviously, Jones needs to play better. But Jones did some good things as well - none of which seemed to be acknowledged in the write up - and Janoris did quite a few awful things. To me, Janoris has been awful overall. I don't care whether my eye is considered trained or not.
I get it and agree about Jones with some good things but, there were some issues I didnt want yo admit during the game.
JJ was not good Thursday night. The Int was a shitty pass...
I'm curious on what your take is on the first interception Â
Was that a shitty route by Ellison? It seems like he should have sat that route down further into the hole. If not it just seems like PS is creating unnecessarily tight windows. DJ threw into the most tight windows since they have been keeping track of the stat in 2015 and who can blame him, we would be constant 3 and out if he didn't putting even more pressure on defense.
What was your take on Ximenez play? He looked slow and tired most of the night to me. I didnt see many pass rush moves either, just straight ahead into an OL.
Good to hear that Baker is improving. He definitely is starting to look the part.
What have you seen from Bethea? He never seems to be in the play?! I think Curtis Riley was better in the back end! That’s not saying much, of course. Is it time to give Love a shot?
With sub-par talent at LT, RT, and OC. Their only decent TE can't stay healthy. They have arguably the worst group of LB's in the league, and a Secondary that isn't much better.
But, yeah, that WR talent in the 2020 draft just might be too good to pass up in the first two rounds.
I agree that OT is the priority next offseason because of Jones. When you have a young potential franchise QB your focus should be on protecting him and getting him more weapons. I hope the Giants add an edge rusher in FA, re-sign Golden, and then go OT and WR in rounds 1-2. I also hope they add a RT in FA also especially if Daryl Williams' price has gone down due to playing out of position this year.
An offseason of Yannick Ngakoue, Daryl Williams, and Tristan Wirfs looks very good to me.
Thanks for the write up. One question after looking at the tape how did the Patriots Marshall Newhouse look in the Patriots system in comparison to when he was with the Giants. It feels like their system gets better results with below average talent especially on the Oline.
RE: I'm curious on what your take is on the first interception Â
Was that a shitty route by Ellison? It seems like he should have sat that route down further into the hole. If not it just seems like PS is creating unnecessarily tight windows. DJ threw into the most tight windows since they have been keeping track of the stat in 2015 and who can blame him, we would be constant 3 and out if he didn't putting even more pressure on defense.
Wasn't the 1st to Slayton, who was open, and DJ threw it behind him and late?
Ellison was the 3rd one when they were moving on the opening drive of the 3rd quarters, IIRC.
We all want Daniel Jones to be successful and I think he will. But Â
for God sakes, when a qb has a bad game, he has a bad game. There are always some good things, but that's to be expected from any nfl qb. If Eli had a game like that, there would be a lynch mob on bbi.
Thanks for the write up. One question after looking at the tape how did the Patriots Marshall Newhouse look in the Patriots system in comparison to when he was with the Giants. It feels like their system gets better results with below average talent especially on the Oline.
Dante Scarnecchia is one of the best OL in NFL history. Every season the Pats line is among the best in football despite constantly losing players in free agency. They lost Wynn for the second season in a row as well as their pro bowl center and the unit is still playing well.
As Sy pointed out he's taken day 3 picks and UDFA's and turned them into pro bowlers.
RE: RE: I'm curious on what your take is on the first interception Â
Was that a shitty route by Ellison? It seems like he should have sat that route down further into the hole. If not it just seems like PS is creating unnecessarily tight windows. DJ threw into the most tight windows since they have been keeping track of the stat in 2015 and who can blame him, we would be constant 3 and out if he didn't putting even more pressure on defense.
Wasn't the 1st to Slayton, who was open, and DJ threw it behind him and late?
Ellison was the 3rd one when they were moving on the opening drive of the 3rd quarters, IIRC.
It was the first one and what I'm alluding to is it is that there is a linebacker underneath that should have been dragged further inside by Ellisons route. I don't know if that is just a shitty route or play design, but it is creating unneccesarily tight windows. DJ may feel a little more confident putting the ball further in front if the window is bigger.
RE: RE: RE: I'm curious on what your take is on the first interception Â
Was that a shitty route by Ellison? It seems like he should have sat that route down further into the hole. If not it just seems like PS is creating unnecessarily tight windows. DJ threw into the most tight windows since they have been keeping track of the stat in 2015 and who can blame him, we would be constant 3 and out if he didn't putting even more pressure on defense.
Wasn't the 1st to Slayton, who was open, and DJ threw it behind him and late?
Ellison was the 3rd one when they were moving on the opening drive of the 3rd quarters, IIRC.
It was the first one and what I'm alluding to is it is that there is a linebacker underneath that should have been dragged further inside by Ellisons route. I don't know if that is just a shitty route or play design, but it is creating unneccesarily tight windows. DJ may feel a little more confident putting the ball further in front if the window is bigger.
That ball was late out. I think it was Slayton and he was very much open, but he threw it about two yards behind the WR. Not sure what the TE or the associated LB had to do with it. You are usually pretty good on these, but I just don't see where the LB impacted the play.
I just rewatched it, thought it was zone, but it was man. Irregardles Â
the point still stands, if DJ puts the ball on the money the LB is in very good position to bat that ball down even though its man which makes the scheme even more questionable. There's too many bodies to run a play like that on the short side of the field.
Unless you split the WR wide that is, can't run that out of what is Â
...also I'm with you regarding BBIers who seem to have gotten themselves worked up a bit over the Giants hanging close to the Pats. Been following the Giants for over half a century and there were a lot of really bad Giants teams that hung with a superior opponent only to lose out in the end. Happens all the time.
Oh, well. The Giants are hopefully on the right track with Daniel Jones and Gettleman continues with good Drafts. And maybe some season in the future -- without Pat Shurmur -- the Giants will figure out how to be a winning franchise in maybe 3 years.
RE: I just rewatched it, thought it was zone, but it was man. Irregardles Â
the point still stands, if DJ puts the ball on the money the LB is in very good position to bat that ball down even though its man which makes the scheme even more questionable. There's too many bodies to run a play like that on the short side of the field.
The 1st one was in the middle of the field, not toward the sideline. I think we are talking about two different passes. Sorry, if I'm getting this wrong. The sideline one to Ellison was in the 3rd quarter and the 2nd one was on a tipped arm/pass that he should have thrown away.
If you see a scheme failure, I'm sure that that was not the 1st time they ran that play and it could very well have been somebody read the defense wrong and ran the wrong route.
I'm talking about the first interception in middle of the field Â
I was referring to alignment when talking about the field. I originally thought it was zone because there was a spy on the play. Looked like a cover 1 spy. The thing is if that ball is on the money the LB that is covering Ellison can deflect it unless the timing is perfect and I mean perfect.
the Pats showed what they thought of him- 7 qb sneaks with their 43 y/o qb.
Let's stop making heroes of guys like Mayo. We are his 3rd team in 4 years. SF signed him to a 2 year contract and then cut him before the end of August. If it wasn't for Gettlemen, he'd probably be out of the League. He's a bum.
Tate is not the Tate of Detroit. He couldn't get away from anyone. On one short pass play, the db beat Tate to the spot, got his whole body in front of Tate, and Tate ran into him. On the long pass play, the db was right with him, the ball got tipped and then the db fell down. Sy's comment was funny that he, Shepard and Engram will be tough to cover on 3rd and less than 7. Well, hell, Benny Fowler was too. Pray for Barkley's health.
Maybe it was an option route by Ellison and he saw the spy Â
and thought zone, I don't know. If thats the case the route still needs to be run further inside. Too many times PS leaves me scratching my head as to what they are trying to do.
the Pats showed what they thought of him- 7 qb sneaks with their 43 y/o qb.
Let's stop making heroes of guys like Mayo. We are his 3rd team in 4 years. SF signed him to a 2 year contract and then cut him before the end of August. If it wasn't for Gettlemen, he'd probably be out of the League. He's a bum.
Tate is not the Tate of Detroit. He couldn't get away from anyone. On one short pass play, the db beat Tate to the spot, got his whole body in front of Tate, and Tate ran into him. On the long pass play, the db was right with him, the ball got tipped and then the db fell down. Sy's comment was funny that he, Shepard and Engram will be tough to cover on 3rd and less than 7. Well, hell, Benny Fowler was too. Pray for Barkley's health.
What an awful post. Who on earth is "making heroes" out of David Mayo? All anyone said is that he's been solid. I don't see many actually advocating for him starting next year. You mention that Tate "couldn't get away from anyone" yet he had a 64 yard touchdown last week.
Jones probably worst showing to date .
The turnovers are mounting and I don't think Shumur is
helping much . Yes the 4th and two are calls like that make
me want a new HC Jack Rabbit is still a play-maker but
with Baker coming on we should move him for a pick
Beal Ballentine and Love need to get more time on the field
to see what they got .
Far as the draft goes we have to use a pick on an OT at #1
and add another in free agency . Bye week couldn't come at a
better time .
but as Aikman pointed out on several occasions, the WR's were unable to get any separation. Jones threw a few excellent passes into the smallest of windows.
The Giants were no match for Belichick. He focused on keeping Jones in the pocket and shutting down Tate and Slayton.
was throwing into ridiculously tight coverage, even by NFL standards. Nobody could get any separation. He also had no running game.
The OL is almost as bad as last year. I agree that Solder and Remmers look no better than Flowers, which is shocking. Halapio has also been poor, as has Zeitler. I think Zeitler's shoulder is hurting him badly. He should sit. I would make major changes to the right side, and play Slade and Gates, with Smith as a sixth OL.
On defense, I agree Baker is playing much better, but we are still being scorched over the middle of the field. I have no idea why Bethea and Haley are playing instead of Love and Ballentine. Haley is attacked every time he's on the field. Jenkins is too erratic. I'd look to trade him.
For me the most important part was #1 of closing thoughts Â
It seemed like too many, here were just happy this game was tied 14-14 late in the half. This included Aikman. For me, that is when the real D showed up. The allowed NE to gash them right before the half and then again in the 3rd.
This game was close because NE, mostly Brady, played poorly. When was the last time (ever?) you saw Brady throw 8 or 9 straight incompletions? Then he hit something like 15 straight completions in the 2nd half. Once NE woke up and realized it was a close game, that was it.
We didn't play well to make this a close game into the 4th. NE played poorly and then just decided it was time to win.
That this offense was built to be run around a stud RB. That being said, it is probably our weakest position right now being that we are on our 3rd string back. This forces our rookie QB to throw balls downfield to average at best wide receiver talent. I'm not trying to make excuses for DJ, but he was playing against a stacked deck
Sy'..."Jon Halapio had another below average game, leaving just week 1 vs DAL where I came away impressed with his effort."
That's 5 weeks in a row and I just don't understand what they're waiting for. Pulley played better last season than what this scrub is providing. 'Hog mollies' means nothing if you don't perform. Bigger is only better if the performance matches the proportions. It's past time to 'pulley' the trigger at OC and make a change. Wake the fuck up Shurmur.
RE: halapio is holding them back especially in the running game Â
Sy'..."Jon Halapio had another below average game, leaving just week 1 vs DAL where I came away impressed with his effort."
That's 5 weeks in a row and I just don't understand what they're waiting for. Pulley played better last season than what this scrub is providing. 'Hog mollies' means nothing if you don't perform. Bigger is only better if the performance matches the proportions. It's past time to 'pulley' the trigger at OC and make a change. Wake the fuck up Shurmur.
Jenkins was certainly not a stud in the game I just watched. With limited talent Mayo played a lot better than the highly priced Jenkins.
One observation on the defense in this game: I thought the team speed on defense was much better than previous games.
Maybe these guys are finally getting Bettcher’s system.
You guys do know that Sy does this for a living right? Â
Pulley struggles mightily with powerful DT's as he's often pushed back into the pocket. The Giants need to draft a center in the first three rounds. It's time to find the long term answer there.
They could also sign Ted Karras to a 2-3 year deal and draft a center to groom behind him.
Halapio is a better fit when we have Barkley back Â
Statistically we ran the ball better last season with Pulley, we allowed less inside pressure with Pulley. Is Pulley some great shakes? No, but halapio completely sucks. You don't agree? Fine but the numbers don't support your position. So you can tell yourselves whatever helps you sleep at night and get through watching halapio sink the O-line but it's a fiction. Hell he has a better player on his right side and he's still dragging the group down.
At what point are you willing to try something new to test the results? Week 8? 12? Do it now while we can still salvage something and perhaps get the run game going...as it was the second half last season when Pulley was at the pivot.
Barkley has been out half this season. Thursday night just Â
and that run that Hilliman gained ten on was blocked up PERFECT and SB likely would have taken to the house. Now things look different when he is in game, but you are judging the run blocking numbers with 16 games of SB vs 2.5 out of 6. But please continue your disingenous argument. And BTW Gallman is averaging a half yard more ypc and SB a full yard and a half this year than last.
First, you can save time by just saying the entire offense was poor, if you are going to give a write-up like that. Jones obviously has a way to go, but there were some highlights to go along with the "lowlights" you mentioned.
I do not see Janoris Jenkins's play as a positive. He continues to get roasted, and even on his INT, the WR was open.
Or maybe Jenkins left the WR open because he was playing a mis-thrown ball. Your comment does not sound like an objective person.
RE: for the halapio apologists or pulley detractors Â
Statistically we ran the ball better last season with Pulley, we allowed less inside pressure with Pulley. Is Pulley some great shakes? No, but halapio completely sucks. You don't agree? Fine but the numbers don't support your position. So you can tell yourselves whatever helps you sleep at night and get through watching halapio sink the O-line but it's a fiction. Hell he has a better player on his right side and he's still dragging the group down.
At what point are you willing to try something new to test the results? Week 8? 12? Do it now while we can still salvage something and perhaps get the run game going...as it was the second half last season when Pulley was at the pivot.
The offensive line played better when Jamon Brown came aboard. They struggled with Greco at RG but improved significantly when Brown was inserted. We ran the ball better last season because we had Beckham to keep defenses honest.
Not sure why some have a problem with saying that Jones played a poor game. The deck was stacked against him - playing Belichick, on the road, minus a number of weapons with the Pats boasting the #1 defense on a short week - did anyone really think Jones was *not* going to have a poor game?
Also good to see someone else point out the fact that it was a short week and both teams looked like shit as a result. It's a BBI stalwart, blaming the short week for a sloppy looking game. Combine it with the weather, and it's hard to know how much was Brady getting older, the Giants defense playing better, the weather, or the short week.
I do not see Janoris Jenkins's play as a positive. He continues to get roasted, and even on his INT, the WR was open.
Good news was that Baker is playing better, as I think most of us thought.
I just looked it up and Solder being cut will save $6.5 mill but cost $13 mill in dead cap (out of $19.5 mill)...it might be well worth it. He is just flailing away out there or move him to RT...
Thanks Sy.
I agree with your comments on Shurmer’s decision in the 4th. Those types of calls can’t continue, that’s playing to lose rather than playing to win football. It was an ugly game and I hope Jones comes out of these past two weeks improved after facing two of the best defenses in the league.
OT is still priority number one. I would love to hear your rankings on WR, tons of interesting talent coming up I really hope we get a guy that can help us out within the first 3 rounds.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Shurmur is not a good coach. And, obviously, Jones needs to play better. But Jones did some good things as well - none of which seemed to be acknowledged in the write up - and Janoris did quite a few awful things. To me, Janoris has been awful overall. I don't care whether my eye is considered trained or not.
Terrible game planning by Shrmur.
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and I hate to admit that Jones definitely didn't do enough to help himself out. He should have run a number of times BUT, I still see the guy who will lead this team for years.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Shurmur is not a good coach. And, obviously, Jones needs to play better. But Jones did some good things as well - none of which seemed to be acknowledged in the write up - and Janoris did quite a few awful things. To me, Janoris has been awful overall. I don't care whether my eye is considered trained or not.
I get it and agree about Jones with some good things but, there were some issues I didnt want yo admit during the game.
JJ was not good Thursday night. The Int was a shitty pass...
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and I hate to admit that Jones definitely didn't do enough to help himself out. He should have run a number of times BUT, I still see the guy who will lead this team for years.
Coaching- a number of us criticized Shurmur during the game and many folks fired back about the lack of talent etc and what can you expect. Too often folks miss the overall point and the complsints I have with Shurmur are not tied to talent level etc. Decisions are not talent level dependent when it comes to:
Challenges that seem emotionally driven and when failed seems like desperation.
Game managememt- when to go for it, when to run , when to pass, timeout usage, challenge usage when a failed challenge can lose a TO that would be needed (especially if the win of the challenge isn't of such a magnitude to justify the risk).
Player usage (SB) and play call for specific players- 4th down rollout for heavy footed Eli..
Shurmur to me just does not inspire and playing hard is what losing teams hang tgeir hat on.
Shurmur is not a good coach. And, obviously, Jones needs to play better. But Jones did some good things as well - none of which seemed to be acknowledged in the write up - and Janoris did quite a few awful things. To me, Janoris has been awful overall. I don't care whether my eye is considered trained or not.
I get it and agree about Jones with some good things but, there were some issues I didnt want yo admit during the game.
JJ was not good Thursday night. The Int was a shitty pass...
What have you seen from Bethea? He never seems to be in the play?! I think Curtis Riley was better in the back end! That’s not saying much, of course. Is it time to give Love a shot?
But, yeah, that WR talent in the 2020 draft just might be too good to pass up in the first two rounds.
Sometimes, Sy...
An offseason of Yannick Ngakoue, Daryl Williams, and Tristan Wirfs looks very good to me.
Wasn't the 1st to Slayton, who was open, and DJ threw it behind him and late?
Ellison was the 3rd one when they were moving on the opening drive of the 3rd quarters, IIRC.
Dante Scarnecchia is one of the best OL in NFL history. Every season the Pats line is among the best in football despite constantly losing players in free agency. They lost Wynn for the second season in a row as well as their pro bowl center and the unit is still playing well.
As Sy pointed out he's taken day 3 picks and UDFA's and turned them into pro bowlers.
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Was that a shitty route by Ellison? It seems like he should have sat that route down further into the hole. If not it just seems like PS is creating unnecessarily tight windows. DJ threw into the most tight windows since they have been keeping track of the stat in 2015 and who can blame him, we would be constant 3 and out if he didn't putting even more pressure on defense.
Wasn't the 1st to Slayton, who was open, and DJ threw it behind him and late?
Ellison was the 3rd one when they were moving on the opening drive of the 3rd quarters, IIRC.
It was the first one and what I'm alluding to is it is that there is a linebacker underneath that should have been dragged further inside by Ellisons route. I don't know if that is just a shitty route or play design, but it is creating unneccesarily tight windows. DJ may feel a little more confident putting the ball further in front if the window is bigger.
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Was that a shitty route by Ellison? It seems like he should have sat that route down further into the hole. If not it just seems like PS is creating unnecessarily tight windows. DJ threw into the most tight windows since they have been keeping track of the stat in 2015 and who can blame him, we would be constant 3 and out if he didn't putting even more pressure on defense.
Wasn't the 1st to Slayton, who was open, and DJ threw it behind him and late?
Ellison was the 3rd one when they were moving on the opening drive of the 3rd quarters, IIRC.
It was the first one and what I'm alluding to is it is that there is a linebacker underneath that should have been dragged further inside by Ellisons route. I don't know if that is just a shitty route or play design, but it is creating unneccesarily tight windows. DJ may feel a little more confident putting the ball further in front if the window is bigger.
That ball was late out. I think it was Slayton and he was very much open, but he threw it about two yards behind the WR. Not sure what the TE or the associated LB had to do with it. You are usually pretty good on these, but I just don't see where the LB impacted the play.
...also I'm with you regarding BBIers who seem to have gotten themselves worked up a bit over the Giants hanging close to the Pats. Been following the Giants for over half a century and there were a lot of really bad Giants teams that hung with a superior opponent only to lose out in the end. Happens all the time.
Oh, well. The Giants are hopefully on the right track with Daniel Jones and Gettleman continues with good Drafts. And maybe some season in the future -- without Pat Shurmur -- the Giants will figure out how to be a winning franchise in maybe 3 years.
The 1st one was in the middle of the field, not toward the sideline. I think we are talking about two different passes. Sorry, if I'm getting this wrong. The sideline one to Ellison was in the 3rd quarter and the 2nd one was on a tipped arm/pass that he should have thrown away.
If you see a scheme failure, I'm sure that that was not the 1st time they ran that play and it could very well have been somebody read the defense wrong and ran the wrong route.
Let's stop making heroes of guys like Mayo. We are his 3rd team in 4 years. SF signed him to a 2 year contract and then cut him before the end of August. If it wasn't for Gettlemen, he'd probably be out of the League. He's a bum.
Tate is not the Tate of Detroit. He couldn't get away from anyone. On one short pass play, the db beat Tate to the spot, got his whole body in front of Tate, and Tate ran into him. On the long pass play, the db was right with him, the ball got tipped and then the db fell down. Sy's comment was funny that he, Shepard and Engram will be tough to cover on 3rd and less than 7. Well, hell, Benny Fowler was too. Pray for Barkley's health.
Let's stop making heroes of guys like Mayo. We are his 3rd team in 4 years. SF signed him to a 2 year contract and then cut him before the end of August. If it wasn't for Gettlemen, he'd probably be out of the League. He's a bum.
Tate is not the Tate of Detroit. He couldn't get away from anyone. On one short pass play, the db beat Tate to the spot, got his whole body in front of Tate, and Tate ran into him. On the long pass play, the db was right with him, the ball got tipped and then the db fell down. Sy's comment was funny that he, Shepard and Engram will be tough to cover on 3rd and less than 7. Well, hell, Benny Fowler was too. Pray for Barkley's health.
What an awful post. Who on earth is "making heroes" out of David Mayo? All anyone said is that he's been solid. I don't see many actually advocating for him starting next year. You mention that Tate "couldn't get away from anyone" yet he had a 64 yard touchdown last week.
The turnovers are mounting and I don't think Shumur is
helping much . Yes the 4th and two are calls like that make
me want a new HC Jack Rabbit is still a play-maker but
with Baker coming on we should move him for a pick
Beal Ballentine and Love need to get more time on the field
to see what they got .
Far as the draft goes we have to use a pick on an OT at #1
and add another in free agency . Bye week couldn't come at a
better time .
The Giants were no match for Belichick. He focused on keeping Jones in the pocket and shutting down Tate and Slayton.
The OL is almost as bad as last year. I agree that Solder and Remmers look no better than Flowers, which is shocking. Halapio has also been poor, as has Zeitler. I think Zeitler's shoulder is hurting him badly. He should sit. I would make major changes to the right side, and play Slade and Gates, with Smith as a sixth OL.
On defense, I agree Baker is playing much better, but we are still being scorched over the middle of the field. I have no idea why Bethea and Haley are playing instead of Love and Ballentine. Haley is attacked every time he's on the field. Jenkins is too erratic. I'd look to trade him.
This game was close because NE, mostly Brady, played poorly. When was the last time (ever?) you saw Brady throw 8 or 9 straight incompletions? Then he hit something like 15 straight completions in the 2nd half. Once NE woke up and realized it was a close game, that was it.
We didn't play well to make this a close game into the 4th. NE played poorly and then just decided it was time to win.
Good to hear about the receiving class next year. Not that the Giants current crop is horrible but, they could use an upgrade imo.
That's 5 weeks in a row and I just don't understand what they're waiting for. Pulley played better last season than what this scrub is providing. 'Hog mollies' means nothing if you don't perform. Bigger is only better if the performance matches the proportions. It's past time to 'pulley' the trigger at OC and make a change. Wake the fuck up Shurmur.
That's 5 weeks in a row and I just don't understand what they're waiting for. Pulley played better last season than what this scrub is providing. 'Hog mollies' means nothing if you don't perform. Bigger is only better if the performance matches the proportions. It's past time to 'pulley' the trigger at OC and make a change. Wake the fuck up Shurmur.
Pulley sucks...
One observation on the defense in this game: I thought the team speed on defense was much better than previous games.
Maybe these guys are finally getting Bettcher’s system.
They could also sign Ted Karras to a 2-3 year deal and draft a center to groom behind him.
At what point are you willing to try something new to test the results? Week 8? 12? Do it now while we can still salvage something and perhaps get the run game going...as it was the second half last season when Pulley was at the pivot.
I do not see Janoris Jenkins's play as a positive. He continues to get roasted, and even on his INT, the WR was open.
Or maybe Jenkins left the WR open because he was playing a mis-thrown ball. Your comment does not sound like an objective person.
At what point are you willing to try something new to test the results? Week 8? 12? Do it now while we can still salvage something and perhaps get the run game going...as it was the second half last season when Pulley was at the pivot.
The offensive line played better when Jamon Brown came aboard. They struggled with Greco at RG but improved significantly when Brown was inserted. We ran the ball better last season because we had Beckham to keep defenses honest.
Also good to see someone else point out the fact that it was a short week and both teams looked like shit as a result. It's a BBI stalwart, blaming the short week for a sloppy looking game. Combine it with the weather, and it's hard to know how much was Brady getting older, the Giants defense playing better, the weather, or the short week.