The remaining schedule has games which should be winnable or at least competitive:
ARI
@DET
@NYJ
MIA
@WSH
I’d still like to see them play hard & compete in the other games. If this team can’t improve from 5-11 (even with Jones starting), that’s a massive disappointment in my opinion.
For me, it’s all about Jones development in addition to seeing the other rookies continue to improve.
Personally, I’m ready to move on from Shurmur. I don’t see him as anything more than an OC - what’s the point of wasting 2020? I’m 100% moving on if this team wins 4-5 games and is picking top 5.
By no means do I expect playoffs, but seeing this team playing hard & improving each week while going 7-9 would give me a lot of hope for 2020.
A step up from one of the edge guys whether Ximenes or Carter or Skipper.
Baker and/or Beal proving to be a legit starting corner.
Slayton - not expecting him to be a number one guy but a good #2 seems possible.
Lawrence continuing to look like a beast in the making.
W-L doesn't matter to me this year. Next year DG and Shurmur are on the clock and the W-L has to improve but okay with another 5 or 6 win season here if the young players look like the real deal.
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What has he done to deserve it?
You have a point. I'm just trying to consider what's fair, especially since people outside of the Giants talk about if the Giants know what they're doing when they cycle through head coaches so quickly (e.g., not even two years for McAdoo and two years for Shurm if they fire him after 2019).
It puzzles me why folks are so concerned about ‘fair treatment of GMs and HCs, particularly given that these same GMs and HCs can be so unconcerned about what is fair for the players the toss so quickly.
Scoring more points than we give up would be nice too...
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What has he done to deserve it?
You have a point. I'm just trying to consider what's fair, especially since people outside of the Giants talk about if the Giants know what they're doing when they cycle through head coaches so quickly (e.g., not even two years for McAdoo and two years for Shurm if they fire him after 2019).
I'm all for consistency, but having a bad coach for a while is just a prescription for being a consistently bad team.
The Giants made the wrong hire. Keeping him around isn't going to make him the right hire.
Well we certainly have been settling for mediocrity around here, so Shurmur fits right in.
Assuming DG is still here, are there any coaches who you think could share his philosophy in team building? I’d prefer to not go with a first time HC considering McAdoo/Shurmur - need to get this right.
If we do go first time HC, I could see Dan Campbell or Matt Rhule.
Assuming DG is still here, are there any coaches who you think could share his philosophy in team building? I’d prefer to not go with a first time HC considering McAdoo/Shurmur - need to get this right.
If we do go first time HC, I could see Dan Campbell or Matt Rhule.
I'm fine going with a first time guy; my bigger concern is that we focus on a guy to "develop Jones".
I want a guy here that's going to establish a winning culture. I like what I'm reading about Bienemy in KC.
If any good candidate pops up, fire Shmurmur immediately and hire the other guy. No sentimintality, always improve.
I'm hoping Ten fires Vrabel, only so much he can do with Medicoreotta.
I'm hoping Ten fires Vrabel, only so much he can do with Medicoreotta.
I suggest you check into some of the game decisions Vrabel has made the last few weeks. No one is mixing him up with Don Shula.
These discussion are very interesting to me. I have never been a hire-Shurmur-guy, but if you look around the league there is poor game management decisions by some of the league's best, week in and week out. And to name a few - Pete Carroll, Miek Tomlin and Andy Reid.
I suggest more posters watch more games. Because we are not alone with a coach who struggles. It's becoming a league epidemic.
Another fair point. We've got a good discussion going here. We should all pay closer attention to how other coaches screw the pooch today and in the coming weeks. Phil Simms was right when he said that more games are lost than won in this league.
Other coaches are making similar gaffes. They just have the luxury of having more talent.
I prefer to judge a guy when he's got a full hand to work with.
If the OL is in tact, we have our receivers (incl Evans) and Barkley is back, and we still struggle, then let's green light the change.
Does Shurmur do anything well enough to offset his numerous obvious shortcomings?
Does Shurmur do anything well enough to offset his numerous obvious shortcomings?
I think his idea of an offense that fits today's game very well. And now that he has a versatile talent like Jones, there could be some greener pastures if the team gets healthier.
Let's not forget, Shurmur has an appealing resume working with QBs - like Foles and Keenum.
This. Barkley is back next week and division is wide open. Defense looks competent and DJ finally gets SB in a game that isn't against the best rushing D in the league. Yes the Bucs have the best rushing D in league, Vea and Suh are impossible to run against.
Agreed. Not too late to have a season. Find someone that can call a timeout properly and we've already improved our outlook.
Fantastic post. I’m so tired of the excuses with this team. Win.
Play hard.
Forget your mistakes and kick ass next possession.
Younger players getting a chance vs. older veterans that will be cap casualties next season.
So now we’re blaming Shurmur for SB getting hurt, I don’t like Shurmur but that is just ridiculous.
Yup. You brought back Eli under the pretense of winning games in 2019. Now go win games.
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As a fan I notice it's much easier for a defender to tackle SB near the sidelines, and zero in with a hard hit. Meanwhile defenders are like headless chickens in the middle of the field. Of course Shemur constantly sends SB out to the flats like he's Tom Rathman to get his ankle mangled.
So now we’re blaming Shurmur for SB getting hurt, I don’t like Shurmur but that is just ridiculous.
It is. And it's intellectually dishonest.
Gettleman stocked the team with the revamped OL this year. And SB has essentially played a game and a half behind it. Last year, I'm not sure what Shurmur/SB was suppose to do with the blocking dummies courtesy of Gettleman.
Here's a better way to criticize Shurmur - the hiring of Hal Hunter.
Did you happen to catch the game week 1 in Dallas? This division sure isn't all that good but NYG got their asses handed to them by the Cowboys. I know we'll have Jones in game 2 but expecting them to go 4-0 in their remaining division games (including sweeping the Eagles who swept NYG in 2018) is asking quite a bit from a team that's has a record of 10-28 since 2017. No excuses are being made, the team just isn't all that good. Dallas and Philly aren't great relative to the rest of the NFL but they're certainly better than the Giants from a talent perspective.
I'm not sure which games these posters are watching, especially on the defensive side of the ball or the talent on other teams, but I may have to start re-watching our games even more closely. I seem to be missing all of these tremendous difference makers on defense...
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I want to see them win the division. It’s there for the taking. The Giants have four division games left plus winnable games against AZ, MIA, DET, and NYJ. That’s 10 wins. Go take them and stop making excuses.
Did you happen to catch the game week 1 in Dallas? This division sure isn't all that good but NYG got their asses handed to them by the Cowboys. I know we'll have Jones in game 2 but expecting them to go 4-0 in their remaining division games (including sweeping the Eagles who swept NYG in 2018) is asking quite a bit from a team that's has a record of 10-28 since 2017. No excuses are being made, the team just isn't all that good. Dallas and Philly aren't great relative to the rest of the NFL but they're certainly better than the Giants from a talent perspective.
If the Jets have enough talent to beat Dallas the Giants surely do.
Philly is literally getting torched every week by opposing WRs outside of last week when they faced a QB who’s no longer in the NFL.
The Giants aren’t in the NFCW or AFCE. They’re one game out vs some very flawed teams. This division may be as bad as the AFCN.
The Giants aren’t a talent laden roster but they’re talented enough to win this division this year if the coaching staff starts earning their paychecks.
Also, I'd like to see some of the young players who haven't received much playing time on the field more. I'd like to see Love, Ballentine and Mayo get more experience. I shouldn't forget Sam Beal.
Good post.
Out of multiple scenarios, one is the team gets healthy and Shurmur goes on a run to close the season and contend for a playoff spot. That's what I'd like to see, if he does that I think he deserves another year.
I didn't expect to be in the running for the division, but as bad as Dallas and Philly have looked, and us being 1 back, we absolutely should expect this team to take a legit run at winning the division.
we may not be uber-talented but we have enough that we should make the division interesting as long as our guys generally stay healthy the rest of the way... if Shurmur & Co cannot do that (i.e., if we just stumble along to 5-6 wins) then I think we can safely say we have the wrong leadership.
so in short... be competitive, win some games and let's start looking like an NFL team week in and week out.
that would make me happy.
i'm sick of losing to both of them all the time.