What are you looking to see the next 10 games?

but Murray is the type of running/mobile QB that almost always gives us fits. Not thrilled about this.

taller. More playing time for Thomas at FS, defensive snaps for Ballantine, Love. More 3 safety looks if they can’t find a better cover LB.

But I'd love to see the Jones-Slayton combination become so consistent the noise to take a WR1 in the first round goes away entirely.

looks like they understand the play book and know assignments.

Hard to understand how breakdowns are occurring as frequently as they are.

These guys have been playing football for a long time by the time they get to the pros.

He has shown all of the physical and mental attributes of a top qb in this league. He's capable of playing like he did in the TB game on a regular basis. It's been largely inconsistency from him since that game, as expected with a rookie. I

I'd like to see him start to reduce the inconsistency and clean up some things we've now seen the past couple of weeks which is some of the interceptions. Part of that is better recognition of coverage and part is better feel for the pocket. He's capable of making strides in both those areas.

young players continue to improve. Next, I'd like to see them learn to play well together - to know each others game and how to help one another and feed off one another.

Also, I'd like to see some of the young players who haven't received much playing time on the field more. I'd like to see Love, Ballentine and Mayo get more experience. I shouldn't forget Sam Beal.

To see this team winning 4 more games; maybe 3 more, for another 5-11 season. Defensive backfield and LBs are so porous that Giants’ best chance of winning is to outscore opponents, which they cannot do on a regular basis. This is especially the case with the absence of a real #1 WR, the injuries to SB, Engram, and Shepherd, and Shurmur’s head-scratching play calling and game management.

They are lucky that TB’s K missed a chip shot FG, or they would have a 0.167 winning percentage. If they end up at 0.300—which is above Shurmur’s average as a HC—they will likely land at 4-5 total wins. Hopefully, one of the remaining wins will come against the most dysfunctional FO in pro football—the Redskins.

...becoming must see tv.

- The D is improving, I'd like, obviously to see that continue.
Specifically, I'd like to see Mayo entrench himself as a no-brainer 2020 starter.

But I agree that it would be nice to see some additional wins compared to last season, and continued growth from all of the young players.

If Shurmur is the head coach in 2020 it won't matter which players improve or what moves we make.

And some wins would be nice too.

In comment 14626433 Go Terps said:

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If Shurmur is the head coach in 2020 it won't matter which players improve or what moves we make.

Why wait? Do it now. We can convene a committee early, target a coach and have him in place before the other teams have a chance to beat the Giants to him.

including Jones. Would like to see him with all his weapons and then judge him moreso. Shurmur is what he is.....nothing more then a sub-500 Coach! If he ever wins 6 games, it would be a successful season for him. I think he’s good for Jones and probably the only reason why he’ll be around one more year, regardless of wins and losses. He’ll be on the hot seat next year, for sure.

In comment 14626449 section125 said:

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In comment 14626433 Go Terps said: Quote: If Shurmur is the head coach in 2020 it won't matter which players improve or what moves we make. Why wait? Do it now. We can convene a committee early, target a coach and have him in place before the other teams have a chance to beat the Giants to him.

Completely agree.

Matt Rhule? Who? Gimmee some names.

The Giants turn into an 8-8 team
Jones cut down on turnovers
The OL get better in run blocking
Our youngsters to keep improving:
- Baker, Dexter, Peppers, Slayton, Love, Ballantine
- Xman
Lo Carter to start emerging as a big time LB Playmaker
Barkley to get healthy and start running wild

This stuff about an encouraging loss when the other team gains twice as many yards and 21 more points is utter nonsense

Shurmur has a terrible winning pct. He needs to show he can win games

Giants have a cream puff schedule. PS needs to win 5 of the next 10 games

In comment 14626470 Vanzetti said:

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This stuff about an encouraging loss when the other team gains twice as many yards and 21 more points is utter nonsense Shurmur has a terrible winning pct. He needs to show he can win games Giants have a cream puff schedule. PS needs to win 5 of the next 10 games

And if he doesn't, can we jettison him?

6 wins
no more interceptions

He has effed up things that he shouldn't which have been discussed here ad infinitum (e.g., clock management, player substitution, play calls, etc.). I just think he deserves another year, if that makes any sense. IS there an elite head coach out there this off-season?

What has he done to deserve it?

In comment 14626464 Optimus-NY said:

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Matt Rhule? Who? Gimmee some names.

They better choose the right guy because they already missed twice since Coughlin. Some of the candidates I like are Dan Campbell, Eric Bieniemy, and Kris Richard.

I would have put David Shaw and Lincoln Riley high on the list but I don't think there is a chance in hell of luring them away from their programs.

One wildcard name I would add is Kevin O'Connell. He's considered one of the brightest young coaching candidates in football.

I would prefer to go with an offensive minded head coach again due to Daniel Jones but I really like Richard. If the Giants did hire a Defensive coach then I hope they add a very good OC to run the offense especially if it's a young guy like Richard. Jay Gruden, Kevin O'Connell (if he is a FA after the Skins hire their next HC), or Norv Turner.

I am looking for another Yankees World Series title.

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Neither he nor Saban would cut it in the NFL. No scholarships to hold over a kid's head. No bullying - can you imagine the backlash. Cripes they bitched about Coughlin to the point he was almost fired.

I don't know who would be good. All these bright shining stars out there are starting to fade, meanwhile Belichick, Reid, Carroll keep rolling along.

Defense, defense and more defense. We won’t win shit with this defense no matter if Jones is the best thing since sliced bread just like we didn’t win shit with Eli Manning under center.

We scored 427 pts in 2015. 6-10.

And the 4th was ugly, but the D looked to me like it turned a corner this past Thursday. That’s what I’m looking for. Let’s win a game or two thanks to the D not in spite of it.

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Defense, defense and more defense. We won’t win shit with this defense no matter if Jones is the best thing since sliced bread just like we didn’t win shit with Eli Manning under center. We scored 427 pts in 2015. 6-10.

Yup. That and an actual OL.

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What has he done to deserve it?

You have a point. I'm just trying to consider what's fair, especially since people outside of the Giants talk about if the Giants know what they're doing when they cycle through head coaches so quickly (e.g., not even two years for McAdoo and two years for Shurm if they fire him after 2019).

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In comment 14626449 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14626433 Go Terps said: Quote: If Shurmur is the head coach in 2020 it won't matter which players improve or what moves we make. Why wait? Do it now. We can convene a committee early, target a coach and have him in place before the other teams have a chance to beat the Giants to him. Completely agree.

I completely agree, too.

Jones most of all. If we have a franchise QB then the future looks a helluva lot brighter than it did after 2018 no matter what else happens.

A step up from one of the edge guys whether Ximenes or Carter or Skipper.

Baker and/or Beal proving to be a legit starting corner.

Slayton - not expecting him to be a number one guy but a good #2 seems possible.

Lawrence continuing to look like a beast in the making.

W-L doesn't matter to me this year. Next year DG and Shurmur are on the clock and the W-L has to improve but okay with another 5 or 6 win season here if the young players look like the real deal.

In comment 14626545 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 14626507 Go Terps said: Quote: What has he done to deserve it? You have a point. I'm just trying to consider what's fair, especially since people outside of the Giants talk about if the Giants know what they're doing when they cycle through head coaches so quickly (e.g., not even two years for McAdoo and two years for Shurm if they fire him after 2019).

It puzzles me why folks are so concerned about ‘fair treatment of GMs and HCs, particularly given that these same GMs and HCs can be so unconcerned about what is fair for the players the toss so quickly.

Maybe he'll still not look great, but why bury him now?

Period.

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help him out more. And the secondary stay closer to their assignments and stop giving up gimmy big plays.

Scoring more points than we give up would be nice too...

In comment 14626545 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 14626507 Go Terps said: Quote: What has he done to deserve it? You have a point. I'm just trying to consider what's fair, especially since people outside of the Giants talk about if the Giants know what they're doing when they cycle through head coaches so quickly (e.g., not even two years for McAdoo and two years for Shurm if they fire him after 2019).

I'm all for consistency, but having a bad coach for a while is just a prescription for being a consistently bad team.

The Giants made the wrong hire. Keeping him around isn't going to make him the right hire.

Barkley and Jones together. Online opening at least one hole.

this job. Being the HC of the NYG with a young and ascending franchise QB should be a position that is very desirable. This might sound funky, but you can let Shurmur bite the bullet while talent is accumulated through next year and then make your move for a bonafide HC when they see the team is more attractive to them at that point.

there's a must-have guy you want coaching this team, otherwise give Shurmur until the end of 2020. At that point, it should be time to get rid of him.

it's the archaic way in which the team is run.

Improvement. The Giants may have been suffering under the delusion that starting players like haley, bethea, ellison and other JAGs with 'experience' could be good enough to compete and maybe steal into the playoffs on an easy schedule. They are wrong. It's time to take the long view and develop the young athletes on this roster. Ballantine, Love and Dickerson need to start. They have playmaking potential the incumbents at their positions simply lack.

start over next year with a new HC, new staff, just as we get enough talent to see if he can win. I agree he probably can’t get them to the promised land, but teams that frequently change coaches NEVER win- and that’s a fact. Stability counts for something. He’s probably a mediocre coach- and that’s fine for now

In comment 14626591 Dave on the UWS said:

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start over next year with a new HC, new staff, just as we get enough talent to see if he can win. I agree he probably can’t get them to the promised land, but teams that frequently change coaches NEVER win- and that’s a fact. Stability counts for something. He’s probably a mediocre coach- and that’s fine for now

Well we certainly have been settling for mediocrity around here, so Shurmur fits right in.

I know you stated you like McDaniels (I’m intrigued as well), he would require full control or a GM he has a working relationship with. I don’t know if he’d come here with DG here.

Assuming DG is still here, are there any coaches who you think could share his philosophy in team building? I’d prefer to not go with a first time HC considering McAdoo/Shurmur - need to get this right.

If we do go first time HC, I could see Dan Campbell or Matt Rhule.

In comment 14626611 Sean said:

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I know you stated you like McDaniels (I’m intrigued as well), he would require full control or a GM he has a working relationship with. I don’t know if he’d come here with DG here. Assuming DG is still here, are there any coaches who you think could share his philosophy in team building? I’d prefer to not go with a first time HC considering McAdoo/Shurmur - need to get this right. If we do go first time HC, I could see Dan Campbell or Matt Rhule.

I'm fine going with a first time guy; my bigger concern is that we focus on a guy to "develop Jones".

I want a guy here that's going to establish a winning culture. I like what I'm reading about Bienemy in KC.

this team will be better in the 2nd half of the season than the first no doubt.

In comment 14626579 Optimus-NY said:

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there's a must-have guy you want coaching this team, otherwise give Shurmur until the end of 2020. At that point, it should be time to get rid of him.

If any good candidate pops up, fire Shmurmur immediately and hire the other guy. No sentimintality, always improve.

I'm hoping Ten fires Vrabel, only so much he can do with Medicoreotta.

What is also clear is that this team is nowhere near ready to compete on a big-time level yet. Coach Red is right. Always improve, but it's ok if Shurm stays through 2020. He at least will be good for Jones's development and the page will have been fully turned on the previous regime---including Eli.

In comment 14626631 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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I'm hoping Ten fires Vrabel, only so much he can do with Medicoreotta.

I suggest you check into some of the game decisions Vrabel has made the last few weeks. No one is mixing him up with Don Shula.

These discussion are very interesting to me. I have never been a hire-Shurmur-guy, but if you look around the league there is poor game management decisions by some of the league's best, week in and week out. And to name a few - Pete Carroll, Miek Tomlin and Andy Reid.

I suggest more posters watch more games. Because we are not alone with a coach who struggles. It's becoming a league epidemic.