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ZGiants98 : 10/13/2019 8:42 pm
Interesting stuff...

“I feel like I played long enough to have learned the game and I do feel I have a lot of things I can contribute to the clubhouse,’’ Beltran said on the field at Minute Maid Park before the Yankees faced the Astros in Game 2 of the ALCS. “Yes, the experience is not there because I have not done it. But I believe it’s something that with the opportunity, I can learn.”


“I don’t think you can continue to progress in life if you think about the past,’’ Beltran said. “For me, what happened with the Mets, there were ups and downs, the perception of what the fans thought about me, for me, I’m able to turn that page. After 2011, I showed people I was healthy and could play the game and the negative things said about me, that’s not who I am as a person."
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RE: Nothing  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14628169 DanMetroMan said:
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in this puff piece makes Mike Bell sound even 1% intriguing Link - ( New Window )


he's the yes man. worst possible option being considered from everything I've read so far about the candidates.
And Madden seems set on Anaheim  
ZGiants98 : 10/14/2019 10:53 am : link
So really the only two realistic vet managers available to me at least are Girardi and Showalter.
Girardi has been a rumored leader and Martino said Dusty/Buck  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:07 am : link
were being considered internally last week I believe. In the last Met manager thread the tweets were in there. So those are the main 3 veterans with Girardi obviously being at the top of the list. Have not heard anything about Sciosca, Hurdle, or Maddon being linked to this job - obviously Maddon seems Angels bound but they are still part of the excess of veterans available if the Mets wanted to go after them. That entire list is the who's who of highest paid managers other than Tito and there's no reason the Mets shouldn't be able to identify the best fit and secure them.
here's the Martino tweet re: Dusty/Buck (2 days ago)  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:08 am : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Add John Gibbons to the list of potential managers Mets have discussed internally but have not contacted. Dusty Baker and Buck Showalter too, as of a day or two ago. Interviews begin next week, as previously reported.
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instead of hiring  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 11:11 am : link
a puppet I'd have more respect for Jeff if he just made himself the manager.

It would probably be a disaster, but at least I'd respect the fact he was transparent about it and said fuck it, I own the team, I want a say in the day to day on-field operation, I'm going to be manager.
Pass  
DanMetroMan : 10/14/2019 11:11 am : link
on Gibbons. Finished 4th or worse 5 of 11 seasons.
RE: Pass  
Mike in NY : 10/14/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14628201 DanMetroMan said:
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on Gibbons. Finished 4th or worse 5 of 11 seasons.


Would take him over Dusty Baker and his toothpick
Girardi makes the most sense and he's a decade+ younger  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:20 am : link
than just about all the other proven names out there - he's most recently managed in playoff games here in NY and he's managed on the entire other end of the spectrum at a downtrodden team like Miami. He's also proven that he's willing to stand up to ownership.

I hope it all works out because it just seems like a no-brainer, but truthfully I'd be just as pumped for Buck or even Dusty. Anyone will be an upgrade on the pure incompetence we watched for the past couple years.
any chance Mets are targeting Girardi and Beltran  
Rory : 10/14/2019 12:10 pm : link
as Manager and bench coach? Obviously there is some ties there and Beltran could be groomed to take over... or is that just crazy thinking by me?
Not interested in beltran as Manager for the simple reason...  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 12:12 pm : link
...he's never managed a baseball team in his life. He's going to start at the MLB level? That's both dumb and crazy. Go to the minors to get some experience and then you're a viable candidate. Not one second before.
RE: Not interested in beltran as Manager for the simple reason...  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14628367 Torrag said:
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...he's never managed a baseball team in his life. He's going to start at the MLB level? That's both dumb and crazy. Go to the minors to get some experience and then you're a viable candidate. Not one second before.


Girardi's first managerial experience came at the major league level. Everyone seems to love him.
'Everyone seems to love him.'  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 12:31 pm : link
Good point but he cut his teeth in a small market. I wouldn't have hired him to coach in the NY market right out of the gate.
RE: any chance Mets are targeting Girardi and Beltran  
DanMetroMan : 10/14/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14628360 Rory said:
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as Manager and bench coach? Obviously there is some ties there and Beltran could be groomed to take over... or is that just crazy thinking by me?


Beltran isn't sitting and waiting for a youngish Joe Girardi to "fail" or get old. He's already had managerial interviews and turned down others.
yuck  
DanMetroMan : 10/14/2019 2:06 pm : link
Mike Puma of the New York Post reports that the Mets will interview ESPN analyst Eduardo Perez for their managerial vacancy.
It might seem like an outside-the-box choice given that Perez is currently in the broadcast booth, but he has some coaching and managing experience as well. He had a stint as a hitting coach with the Marlins and a bench coach with the Astros as well as managing gigs in the World Baseball Classic qualifiers and the Puerto Rican Winter League. Joe Girardi and Carlos Beltran are getting most of the attention for the Mets' job, but Diamondbacks farm director Mike Bell, Twins bench coach Derek Shelton. and Mets quality control coach Luis Rojas are also in the mix.

SOURCE: Mike Puma on Twitter
based on what?  
Csonka : 10/14/2019 3:02 pm : link
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pjcas18 : 9:41 am : link : reply

based on what? How do you even know Beltran's managerial style or how he'd make lineup decisions, pitching changes, etc.


Exactly. I don't know. Nobody does. Which is why I question how it's an upgrade. We say we need a guy who makes better managerial decisions, so we look to hire a guy who's never made managerial decisions? I'm not sure that makes much sense.

But if BVW thinks he's the right guy, fine. It might work and at least he's a Met, so ok. Go for it. Going inexperienced worked with the Yankees and Boone. And I personally think Boone's twice the manager Giradri is.
RE: RE: I don't see how firing Calloway ...  
allstarjim : 10/14/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14628056 pjcas18 said:
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for Beltran is an upgrade.



based on what? How do you even know Beltran's managerial style or how he'd make lineup decisions, pitching changes, etc.

maybe Beltran is the next Tony La Russa.

I think Girardi may be safer, but Beltran could easily be an improvement on Callaway.


He's never managed so that would be a complete shot in the dark. If you look at this team, and you fire a Callaway that had the team just outside of the playoffs, and you go to a first-time manager on a team that should be able to compete and win the division next year, as well as a team that has the personnel to make a playoff run, you should be doing that with an established manager like Girardi or Showalter. I think a first-time manager for this team in this specific place and time, would be a terrible blunder.
I don't view  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
MLB managerial experience is a show stopper.

Aaron Boone never managed.

Alex Cora never managed.

Cash (Rays) is a first time manager

Dave Roberts was a first time manager when the Dodgers hired him

To me Girardi would be a safe hire and I have no issue with him. He's experienced, I like that he's a former catcher and he has a WS win as a manager and a player.

but I don't think it means Beltran, because he'd be a first time manager, is less of a good candidate.

I just don't know, but I can't imagine the interview process is hard to see what kind of manager he'd be. Some times as fans we over-think this stuff. Baseball manager is not a x's and o's job.

RE: I don't view  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14628634 pjcas18 said:
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MLB managerial experience is a show stopper.

Aaron Boone never managed.

Alex Cora never managed.

Cash (Rays) is a first time manager

Dave Roberts was a first time manager when the Dodgers hired him

To me Girardi would be a safe hire and I have no issue with him. He's experienced, I like that he's a former catcher and he has a WS win as a manager and a player.

but I don't think it means Beltran, because he'd be a first time manager, is less of a good candidate.

I just don't know, but I can't imagine the interview process is hard to see what kind of manager he'd be. Some times as fans we over-think this stuff. Baseball manager is not a x's and o's job.


First time manager means literally nothing when you are listening the managers for the top three payrolls in baseball.
The Rays  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 3:59 pm : link
are on there too, and clearly they're not one of the top payroll teams in baseball.

but by that logic, the Mets payroll should be top 5 next year, so 1st time manager shouldn't matter than either if it doesn't for the other teams.
The Rays have ALWAYS done more with less.  
PhiPsi125 : 10/14/2019 4:08 pm : link
And your right, the Mets should be successful next year, just like they should have this year. Unfortunately, they push all the wrong buttons.
RE: 'Everyone seems to love him.'  
BigBluesman : 10/14/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14628410 Torrag said:
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Good point but he cut his teeth in a small market. I wouldn't have hired him to coach in the NY market right out of the gate.

The Yankees made exactly this gamble with Aaron Boone. Do you think its working out? Early signs point to yes.

Beltran would be the copycat hire. Younger managers just out of the pros are en vogue across the league. Whether out would work out, we can't know. Showalter and Baker command a lot of respect but are they really trying to be manager of the Mets at this point? I wonder if Maddon is perturbed by the burgeoning scandal in Anaheim.

I bet its Girardi at the end of the day. The middle choice.
RE: RE: 'Everyone seems to love him.'  
Rory : 10/14/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14628777 BigBluesman said:
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Good point but he cut his teeth in a small market. I wouldn't have hired him to coach in the NY market right out of the gate.


The Yankees made exactly this gamble with Aaron Boone. Do you think its working out? Early signs point to yes.

Beltran would be the copycat hire. Younger managers just out of the pros are en vogue across the league. Whether out would work out, we can't know. Showalter and Baker command a lot of respect but are they really trying to be manager of the Mets at this point? I wonder if Maddon is perturbed by the burgeoning scandal in Anaheim.

I bet its Girardi at the end of the day. The middle choice.


is it really a gamble when you have a roster like the Yankees do?
RE: RE: RE: 'Everyone seems to love him.'  
BigBluesman : 10/14/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14628847 Rory said:
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Good point but he cut his teeth in a small market. I wouldn't have hired him to coach in the NY market right out of the gate.


The Yankees made exactly this gamble with Aaron Boone. Do you think its working out? Early signs point to yes.

Beltran would be the copycat hire. Younger managers just out of the pros are en vogue across the league. Whether out would work out, we can't know. Showalter and Baker command a lot of respect but are they really trying to be manager of the Mets at this point? I wonder if Maddon is perturbed by the burgeoning scandal in Anaheim.

I bet its Girardi at the end of the day. The middle choice.



is it really a gamble when you have a roster like the Yankees do?

I mean, its like a chicken/egg question. He still has to manage the team. It has to be hard leaving some of these guys out of the lineup when they would start elsewhere. Tough calls on when to pull pitchers. And all the scrutiny. Beltran is the sexy move for the Mets.
First time managers can succeed in well run organizations  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:32 pm : link
anyone here willing to go out on a ledge and call this a well run organization right now? Anyone want to trust the first time GM who willingly took on $100m worth of Cano, almost dealing mcneil in the process, to get the selection of a first time manager right?

Whoever they hire I'll give a chance but this org has earned 0 credibility in the past 2 years since Jeff Wilpon started re-asserting himself. From the penny pinching search that hired Callaway, to overruling Sandy on Cherington in favor of Omar's return, to the 3 headed GM, to hiring BVW - who has basically purged the entire farm and lit a couple hundred million on fire so now we can't afford to resign Wheeler. A first time manager here has to not only learn how to be a manager, but how to deal with 1 of the more dysfunctional ownerships in the sport. Nobody has figured that one out as of yet.
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DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 10:58 am : link

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
The Phillies aren’t messing around in search. They know what they want and are interviewing 3 eminently qualified candidates: Baker, Joe Girardi and Buck Showalter. Late start didn’t hurt them.
I read  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 11:01 am : link
Showalter is out (or "held up") with the Mets because of some negative interactions he had with ownership while in various roles with other teams.
whats this about Showalter Mets have  
Rory : 10/15/2019 11:01 am : link
past issues and he wont be one of the candidates interviewed now?
Typical  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 11:02 am : link
Mets BS


Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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9m
As Mets conduct a manager search, some of the coaches remain in limbo - they are under contract through 10/31, but haven't received OK to speak with other teams, hurting their chances of finding other jobs if they aren't retained. Only certainty is Jim Riggleman not returning .
RE: whats this about Showalter Mets have  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14629359 Rory said:
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past issues and he wont be one of the candidates interviewed now?


Unless you read something I had not, I think you misread the tweet. It says the Mets claim Showalter had issues interacting with previous FO's he worked for ie Yankees, Rangers, Dbacks and Orioles. Not the Mets FO.
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DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 11:26 am : link

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Joe Girardi interview with Mets coming soon. Eduardo Perez and Carlos Beltran other serious candidates. Let’s see if someone else knocks their socks off. But there’s heat around that trio
Anything with Eduardo Perez  
Metnut : 10/15/2019 11:28 am : link
to get excited about?

They should try to interview Joe Espada too. Did any of you guys read about how the Astros use computer programs to get image catcher of opposing pitchers to see if they are tipping pitches? What they did with Glasnow that game is just heads and shoulders above anything that Mets were likely doing with Mickey. I'd like to bring that type of aggression to the Mets.
RE: Anything with Eduardo Perez  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14629401 Metnut said:
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to get excited about?

They should try to interview Joe Espada too. Did any of you guys read about how the Astros use computer programs to get image catcher of opposing pitchers to see if they are tipping pitches? What they did with Glasnow that game is just heads and shoulders above anything that Mets were likely doing with Mickey. I'd like to bring that type of aggression to the Mets.


Perez comes off as a moron on TV. Not a fan.
Perez? Yuck  
speedywheels : 10/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
He would be terrible
RE: Anything with Eduardo Perez  
Mike in NY : 10/15/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14629401 Metnut said:
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to get excited about?

They should try to interview Joe Espada too. Did any of you guys read about how the Astros use computer programs to get image catcher of opposing pitchers to see if they are tipping pitches? What they did with Glasnow that game is just heads and shoulders above anything that Mets were likely doing with Mickey. I'd like to bring that type of aggression to the Mets.


Eduardo Perez will go along with Omar Minaya's all Latin America team concept
Cubs  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 12:39 pm : link
will interview Espada as well as Gabe Kapler.
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moespree : 10/15/2019 12:43 pm : link
The claim is Eduardo Perez is into analytics as he does the ESPN broadcasts that feature it. However I remember others taking issue with some of his analysis in some of the broadcasts suggesting he misunderstood what he was talking about. So there's that. There's also the fact that he'd be an obvious subordinate and wouldn't exert much power.

What's the reason to have confidence he would be a long-term success? Seems far more likely that they'll be in the exact same spot 2 years from now, looking for a new manager if they hire him.
Oy  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2019 4:46 pm : link

SNY
@SNYtv
Sources see Mike Bell as a dark horse candidate for the Mets' managerial job because of his strong relationship with Brodie Van Wagenen, per
@martinonyc
https://on.sny.tv/FmPeLkQ
RE: Oy  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14629897 DanMetroMan said:
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SNY
@SNYtv
Sources see Mike Bell as a dark horse candidate for the Mets' managerial job because of his strong relationship with Brodie Van Wagenen, per
@martinonyc
https://on.sny.tv/FmPeLkQ


it's all probably a massive smoke screen, find the cheap yes man, go through the charade of interviewing the expensive big names and up and coming young names and settle for oatmeal.

the last thing BVW needs is a yes man  
Eric on Li : 10/15/2019 9:55 pm : link
in fact it's the exact opposite of what he needs.
Did the Mets really just fire Edgardo Alfonzo  
Metnut : 10/17/2019 1:23 pm : link
after his team won the league title? WTF?

Anyone have any insight as to why they'd do this?
RE: Did the Mets really just fire Edgardo Alfonzo  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14631664 Metnut said:
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after his team won the league title? WTF?

Anyone have any insight as to why they'd do this?


Just saw this... WTF.
At least wait until the new manager is hired  
Metnut : 10/17/2019 1:28 pm : link
and let him make the call on whether he wants to keep Fonzie. This team really makes the most head scratching moves sometimes.
BVW  
GF1080 : 10/17/2019 1:33 pm : link
This guy is a stooge. One of the most beloved Mets of the 90's teams. Is he getting re-assigned?
RE: At least wait until the new manager is hired  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14631672 Metnut said:
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and let him make the call on whether he wants to keep Fonzie. This team really makes the most head scratching moves sometimes.


Manager would have no say on the minor league managers. This is a Brodie/ownership decision
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DanMetroMan : 10/17/2019 1:47 pm : link

Jacob Resnick
@Jacob_Resnick
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16m
When Brooklyn had a managerial opening after the 2016 season, I'll admit that I questioned whether Alfonzo was the best man for the job. Three years later (and after witnessing two of them up close) I was wrong for having any doubts.

If anything, he should have been promoted.
RE: Did the Mets really just fire Edgardo Alfonzo  
steve in ky : 10/17/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14631664 Metnut said:
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after his team won the league title? WTF?

Anyone have any insight as to why they'd do this?


I was hoping that even though Brodie didn't have any experience that the trade off would be someone with more common sense and a clue about business affairs in general and he would help change the direction of the organization.

Of course without knowing specifics who can know for sure, but this smacks of the tone deaf kind of move this organization has become known for.
'the tone deaf kind of move this organization has become known for'  
Torrag : 10/17/2019 5:34 pm : link
Even when something goes right on the surface these bozos can fuck it up.

I was all for firing Callaway but with each passing day I'm more convinced they're going to botch the hire of his replacement.
RE: 'the tone deaf kind of move this organization has become known for'  
steve in ky : 10/17/2019 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14631887 Torrag said:
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Even when something goes right on the surface these bozos can fuck it up.

I was all for firing Callaway but with each passing day I'm more convinced they're going to botch the hire of his replacement.


It's crazy isn't it. They just can't seem to get out of their own way, and so far Brodie hasn't seem to change that.
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pjcas18 : 10/17/2019 10:26 pm : link
Rich Mancuso
@Ring786
Joe Girardi not likely to be the next Mets manager according to numerous sources.
9:37 PM · Oct 17, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
RE: .  
Metnut : 10/17/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14632275 pjcas18 said:
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Rich Mancuso
@Ring786
Joe Girardi not likely to be the next Mets manager according to numerous sources.
9:37 PM · Oct 17, 2019·Twitter for iPhone


Always about the $$$ with this club.

Meanwhile, last 3 teams standing are all big spenders.
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