Interesting stuff...
“I feel like I played long enough to have learned the game and I do feel I have a lot of things I can contribute to the clubhouse,’’ Beltran said on the field at Minute Maid Park before the Yankees faced the Astros in Game 2 of the ALCS. “Yes, the experience is not there because I have not done it. But I believe it’s something that with the opportunity, I can learn.”
“I don’t think you can continue to progress in life if you think about the past,’’ Beltran said. “For me, what happened with the Mets, there were ups and downs, the perception of what the fans thought about me, for me, I’m able to turn that page. After 2011, I showed people I was healthy and could play the game and the negative things said about me, that’s not who I am as a person."
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based on what? How do you even know Beltran's managerial style or how he'd make lineup decisions, pitching changes, etc.
maybe Beltran is the next Tony La Russa.
I think Girardi may be safer, but Beltran could easily be an improvement on Callaway.
Just because the Callaway hire was a failure doesn't mean a "Callaway type" hire (i.e., a first time manager with a good reputation) is necessarily a bad one.
I think Beltran adds a little bit something special being a recent elite player, a HoF, and good in the clubhouse. Pair him with an experienced bench coach, and I think he can really command the lockerroom.
I also think the downstream benefit of being a potential sales point to free agents and international free agents is an underrated bonus.
It does mean something that Beltran wants to manage the Mets though. What that is I'm not quite sure, maybe the talent is that appealing or the city, but considering how he was treated after he left and the likely suspect still being there it's not nothing that he wants to come back.
It does mean something that Beltran wants to manage the Mets though. What that is I'm not quite sure, maybe the talent is that appealing or the city, but considering how he was treated after he left and the likely suspect still being there it's not nothing that he wants to come back.
I wouldn't be shocked if Mets ownership sees hiring Beltran as a chance to not only save money on hiring a new manager, but to also maybe sway the HOF committee to have Beltran go in as a Met.
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with the number of proven options there's only 1 reason the Mets would go in another direction ($), which would be typical.
It does mean something that Beltran wants to manage the Mets though. What that is I'm not quite sure, maybe the talent is that appealing or the city, but considering how he was treated after he left and the likely suspect still being there it's not nothing that he wants to come back.
I wouldn't be shocked if Mets ownership sees hiring Beltran as a chance to not only save money on hiring a new manager, but to also maybe sway the HOF committee to have Beltran go in as a Met.
There’s really no excuse for him not to go in as a Met. He’s played the most games as a Met, made the postseason as a Met, and he’s willing to go in as a Met. There’s no other option unless they do the “hatless thing”.
If you count Sciosa and Hurdle that's 6 and they would account for like 6 of the top 7 active managers by wins. Only active manager higher than those guys is Francona. So yes, that's most definitely an excess of proven veteran managers.
Of the 8 current openings there are fewer than 6 teams would even be in play for those guys since they either a) aren't paying for a big manager or b) not currently a win now team. If the Mets want 1 of their top 3 veteran choices they will get them (which should probably be Girardi, Buck, or Dusty).
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with the number of proven options there's only 1 reason the Mets would go in another direction ($), which would be typical.
It does mean something that Beltran wants to manage the Mets though. What that is I'm not quite sure, maybe the talent is that appealing or the city, but considering how he was treated after he left and the likely suspect still being there it's not nothing that he wants to come back.
I wouldn't be shocked if Mets ownership sees hiring Beltran as a chance to not only save money on hiring a new manager, but to also maybe sway the HOF committee to have Beltran go in as a Met.
I wouldn't put something like that past them but it would be as stupid of a reason to hire someone as it was to trade for Cano to make BVW's first deal "a big one". The fact that there's a non-zero chance of that being a factor tells us most of what we need to know about this organization.
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None of them should be.
he's the yes man. worst possible option being considered from everything I've read so far about the candidates.
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Add John Gibbons to the list of potential managers Mets have discussed internally but have not contacted. Dusty Baker and Buck Showalter too, as of a day or two ago. Interviews begin next week, as previously reported.
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It would probably be a disaster, but at least I'd respect the fact he was transparent about it and said fuck it, I own the team, I want a say in the day to day on-field operation, I'm going to be manager.
Would take him over Dusty Baker and his toothpick
I hope it all works out because it just seems like a no-brainer, but truthfully I'd be just as pumped for Buck or even Dusty. Anyone will be an upgrade on the pure incompetence we watched for the past couple years.
Girardi's first managerial experience came at the major league level. Everyone seems to love him.
Beltran isn't sitting and waiting for a youngish Joe Girardi to "fail" or get old. He's already had managerial interviews and turned down others.
It might seem like an outside-the-box choice given that Perez is currently in the broadcast booth, but he has some coaching and managing experience as well. He had a stint as a hitting coach with the Marlins and a bench coach with the Astros as well as managing gigs in the World Baseball Classic qualifiers and the Puerto Rican Winter League. Joe Girardi and Carlos Beltran are getting most of the attention for the Mets' job, but Diamondbacks farm director Mike Bell, Twins bench coach Derek Shelton. and Mets quality control coach Luis Rojas are also in the mix.
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based on what? How do you even know Beltran's managerial style or how he'd make lineup decisions, pitching changes, etc.
Exactly. I don't know. Nobody does. Which is why I question how it's an upgrade. We say we need a guy who makes better managerial decisions, so we look to hire a guy who's never made managerial decisions? I'm not sure that makes much sense.
But if BVW thinks he's the right guy, fine. It might work and at least he's a Met, so ok. Go for it. Going inexperienced worked with the Yankees and Boone. And I personally think Boone's twice the manager Giradri is.
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for Beltran is an upgrade.
based on what? How do you even know Beltran's managerial style or how he'd make lineup decisions, pitching changes, etc.
maybe Beltran is the next Tony La Russa.
I think Girardi may be safer, but Beltran could easily be an improvement on Callaway.
He's never managed so that would be a complete shot in the dark. If you look at this team, and you fire a Callaway that had the team just outside of the playoffs, and you go to a first-time manager on a team that should be able to compete and win the division next year, as well as a team that has the personnel to make a playoff run, you should be doing that with an established manager like Girardi or Showalter. I think a first-time manager for this team in this specific place and time, would be a terrible blunder.
Aaron Boone never managed.
Alex Cora never managed.
Cash (Rays) is a first time manager
Dave Roberts was a first time manager when the Dodgers hired him
To me Girardi would be a safe hire and I have no issue with him. He's experienced, I like that he's a former catcher and he has a WS win as a manager and a player.
but I don't think it means Beltran, because he'd be a first time manager, is less of a good candidate.
I just don't know, but I can't imagine the interview process is hard to see what kind of manager he'd be. Some times as fans we over-think this stuff. Baseball manager is not a x's and o's job.
Aaron Boone never managed.
Alex Cora never managed.
Cash (Rays) is a first time manager
Dave Roberts was a first time manager when the Dodgers hired him
To me Girardi would be a safe hire and I have no issue with him. He's experienced, I like that he's a former catcher and he has a WS win as a manager and a player.
but I don't think it means Beltran, because he'd be a first time manager, is less of a good candidate.
I just don't know, but I can't imagine the interview process is hard to see what kind of manager he'd be. Some times as fans we over-think this stuff. Baseball manager is not a x's and o's job.
First time manager means literally nothing when you are listening the managers for the top three payrolls in baseball.
but by that logic, the Mets payroll should be top 5 next year, so 1st time manager shouldn't matter than either if it doesn't for the other teams.
The Yankees made exactly this gamble with Aaron Boone. Do you think its working out? Early signs point to yes.
Beltran would be the copycat hire. Younger managers just out of the pros are en vogue across the league. Whether out would work out, we can't know. Showalter and Baker command a lot of respect but are they really trying to be manager of the Mets at this point? I wonder if Maddon is perturbed by the burgeoning scandal in Anaheim.
I bet its Girardi at the end of the day. The middle choice.
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Good point but he cut his teeth in a small market. I wouldn't have hired him to coach in the NY market right out of the gate.
The Yankees made exactly this gamble with Aaron Boone. Do you think its working out? Early signs point to yes.
Beltran would be the copycat hire. Younger managers just out of the pros are en vogue across the league. Whether out would work out, we can't know. Showalter and Baker command a lot of respect but are they really trying to be manager of the Mets at this point? I wonder if Maddon is perturbed by the burgeoning scandal in Anaheim.
I bet its Girardi at the end of the day. The middle choice.
is it really a gamble when you have a roster like the Yankees do?
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Good point but he cut his teeth in a small market. I wouldn't have hired him to coach in the NY market right out of the gate.
The Yankees made exactly this gamble with Aaron Boone. Do you think its working out? Early signs point to yes.
Beltran would be the copycat hire. Younger managers just out of the pros are en vogue across the league. Whether out would work out, we can't know. Showalter and Baker command a lot of respect but are they really trying to be manager of the Mets at this point? I wonder if Maddon is perturbed by the burgeoning scandal in Anaheim.
I bet its Girardi at the end of the day. The middle choice.
is it really a gamble when you have a roster like the Yankees do?
I mean, its like a chicken/egg question. He still has to manage the team. It has to be hard leaving some of these guys out of the lineup when they would start elsewhere. Tough calls on when to pull pitchers. And all the scrutiny. Beltran is the sexy move for the Mets.
Whoever they hire I'll give a chance but this org has earned 0 credibility in the past 2 years since Jeff Wilpon started re-asserting himself. From the penny pinching search that hired Callaway, to overruling Sandy on Cherington in favor of Omar's return, to the 3 headed GM, to hiring BVW - who has basically purged the entire farm and lit a couple hundred million on fire so now we can't afford to resign Wheeler. A first time manager here has to not only learn how to be a manager, but how to deal with 1 of the more dysfunctional ownerships in the sport. Nobody has figured that one out as of yet.
Jon Heyman
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The Phillies aren’t messing around in search. They know what they want and are interviewing 3 eminently qualified candidates: Baker, Joe Girardi and Buck Showalter. Late start didn’t hurt them.
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As Mets conduct a manager search, some of the coaches remain in limbo - they are under contract through 10/31, but haven't received OK to speak with other teams, hurting their chances of finding other jobs if they aren't retained. Only certainty is Jim Riggleman not returning .
Unless you read something I had not, I think you misread the tweet. It says the Mets claim Showalter had issues interacting with previous FO's he worked for ie Yankees, Rangers, Dbacks and Orioles. Not the Mets FO.
Andy Martino
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Joe Girardi interview with Mets coming soon. Eduardo Perez and Carlos Beltran other serious candidates. Let’s see if someone else knocks their socks off. But there’s heat around that trio
They should try to interview Joe Espada too. Did any of you guys read about how the Astros use computer programs to get image catcher of opposing pitchers to see if they are tipping pitches? What they did with Glasnow that game is just heads and shoulders above anything that Mets were likely doing with Mickey. I'd like to bring that type of aggression to the Mets.
They should try to interview Joe Espada too. Did any of you guys read about how the Astros use computer programs to get image catcher of opposing pitchers to see if they are tipping pitches? What they did with Glasnow that game is just heads and shoulders above anything that Mets were likely doing with Mickey. I'd like to bring that type of aggression to the Mets.
Perez comes off as a moron on TV. Not a fan.
They should try to interview Joe Espada too. Did any of you guys read about how the Astros use computer programs to get image catcher of opposing pitchers to see if they are tipping pitches? What they did with Glasnow that game is just heads and shoulders above anything that Mets were likely doing with Mickey. I'd like to bring that type of aggression to the Mets.
Eduardo Perez will go along with Omar Minaya's all Latin America team concept