I have to say I was late to the party. For me, when I watched the draft where the Giants took Engram instead of Ramzyk or Cam Robinson. I remember thinking he was a goner unless he pulled a rabbit out of the hat which he didn’t and all we drafted to play OL was Biz who sucked. Admittedly, the Giants needed a TE but there were good TEs who would have been available as late as the 5th round. Our OL was as close to pathetic as there could be and we draft a TE who could not block. That was it for me.
When did you want Reese fired?
That should have been a clean sweep.
2. They should have sent Reese packing at the same time they let go of Coughlin....Reese really let TC, and frankly Eli, down during the 2010-2015 time frame.
That should have been a clean sweep.
Agree with this. When Coughlin was fired - that was the time to fire Reese and clean house. The half measures sunk the next several years.
Yep, agree if Coughlin got canned so should have Reese! Start with clean state!!
God, I remember the 'In Reese We Trust' posts. Time flies.
Turns out, Reese had the same problem, minus his age - it was time for him to go.
This. Mara was a moron for keeping him. Easily As inexcusable a decision as hiring McAdoo. Made no sense firing the coach and keep the guy who was horrific draft after draft
If you're going to tell your head coach who his assistants can be, then just move on from the whole staff. By the time they sent Coughlin packing it was plain as day that the roster was in complete shambles.
I knew he would bust.
Flowers' tape in college was just mediocre
If you're going to tell your head coach who his assistants can be, then just move on from the whole staff. By the time they sent Coughlin packing it was plain as day that the roster was in complete shambles.
If that were the case, wouldn't it be when Coughlin let Hufnagel and Tim Lewis go?
Yeah ok helped us win 2 Super Bowls and he was in over his head. There are many many GMS that can’t say that. Plus he worked the giants for 20’years. We used to blow every 1st round pick we ever had. People forget how bad our drafting was under Accorsi in the first 2 rounds.
So stop shitting on the man. He’s gone and he helped us reach the promise land twice. Who cares at this point.
Reese and Coughlin were more of a victim of circumstance and timing. But when Coughlin was fired, it was the perfect time to change both and start fresh.
The drafts from 2004-2007 were very, very good drafts. The overall management of the team was very good from 2007-2012.
Some guys are good managing good rosters, not rebuilding. There are plenty of GMs who have never gotten over the hump with a good roster, and then promptly blow it.
Reese was a big part of crafting and then executing a core that was fantastic from 2005-2012. Six playoff appearances, zero losing seasons, 2 championships.
THIS
Reese was dead to me after that.
The guy gave us peak Manning and Warren Moon ffs.
He's not arrogant, he's insolent :D Why did we hire him in the first place??
Say what you want about Gettleman but he isn’t afraid to course correct after making a mistake. See OBJ, Hart, Flowers, etc...
That should have been a clean sweep.
Reese and Coughlin were more of a victim of circumstance and timing. But when Coughlin was fired, it was the perfect time to change both and start fresh.
I agree. If the Giants had never hired Ross there is a good chance that Reese would probably still be the GM.
At the same time Reese deserved to be let go because he kept Ross for years after it was clear that he was doing an awful job as the head of scouting. Why didn't he make a change sooner? Was it because he genuinely believed that Ross wasn't to blame or did he keep him because they were close friends?
Look, Reese won the 2 superbowls, but he let the OL deteriorate - not because of lack of investment, but in picking the wrong players. That was on Ross.
We also got to a point where I generally disliked the players on the team - they came across poorly. We do seem to have higher character / team first players now. Hopefully they can win some games . . .
I feel that Nate Solder was (is) that for Gettlemen. Only real LT available, we broke the bank for him, and he has been struggling to make a positive impact.
Goes to show how important it is to hit on your draft picks. You might be left with dog food in FA.
Actually, the moment I really thought he was over his head was when, in the wake of the new CBA being signed, he panicked and signed Will Beatty to a new contract at the very beginning of free agency. It was an above market rate for a mediocre player, and the first major signing at that position. It said to me he had no clue about evaluating his own guys or how to manage a roster.
Both of those guys were gone before the Giants started winning Super Bowls. On what merit should they have been kept in place?
2. They should have sent Reese packing at the same time they let go of Coughlin....Reese really let TC, and frankly Eli, down during the 2010-2015 time frame.
Westburg....the portmanteua no one asked for