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Steve Spagnuolo: what a strange career

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/13/2019 9:40 pm
He's either been good or dreadful... no in between with him.
Kind of like Jim Schwartz right now  
robbieballs2003 : 10/13/2019 9:43 pm : link
His defense is putrid. They need corners. I bet the Eagles make a trade real soon.
Isn't he with KC now?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2019 9:43 pm : link
Couple deep.

Loved him his first go around with us.

That 07 defense...man. After Week 2 vs. GB, I think we all thought it was over, but that defense became a beast.
RE: Isn't he with KC now?  
robbieballs2003 : 10/13/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14627363 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Couple deep.

Loved him his first go around with us.

That 07 defense...man. After Week 2 vs. GB, I think we all thought it was over, but that defense became a beast.


2008 was even better.
After the 2007 superbowl  
bubba0825 : 10/13/2019 9:44 pm : link
I m canít think of a better candidate than him to be a head coach...even to this day, talk about a guy whose lived off of talent
RE: After the 2007 superbowl  
MM_in_NYC : 10/13/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14627368 bubba0825 said:
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I m canít think of a better candidate than him to be a head coach...even to this day, talk about a guy whose lived off of talent


While I don't disagree, I do think there is something to be said around that it is indeed a skill in itself to coax greatness out of talent. Some people can get more out of talent than others. It's a scale. Just like some people who can get a lot out of less talent, are not able to demonstrably more with greater talent.
Can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/13/2019 9:52 pm : link
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Heíll have a special place in my heart  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/13/2019 9:54 pm : link
Destroying the Patriots the first time was one of my favorite memories as a fan of all time!
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HitSquad : 10/13/2019 10:00 pm : link
I get the sense he needs big time players in order to run his style effectively.

The jump in production from 2015 to 2016 is a good example. Same coach, same scheme, but a healthier roster with added talent at all 3 levels. We finished #2 in points allowed behind the eventual SB Champion Patriots.
RE: Kind of like Jim Schwartz right now  
St. Jimmy : 10/13/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14627361 robbieballs2003 said:
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His defense is putrid. They need corners. I bet the Eagles make a trade real soon.
Might as well. Drafting corners got them to where they are.
RE: Can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  
bw in dc : 10/13/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14627380 Zeke's Alibi said:
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True. I wish more posters would recognize that...
His rehire was a blaring warning sign of our franchise's ineptitude  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/14/2019 8:31 am : link
Nostalgia and sentimentality overriding common sense, plain observation, and analysis of the situation. A common reccuring issue with this org. Puke.
RE: RE: After the 2007 superbowl  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/14/2019 8:34 am : link
In comment 14627378 MM_in_NYC said:
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I m canít think of a better candidate than him to be a head coach...even to this day, talk about a guy whose lived off of talent



While I don't disagree, I do think there is something to be said around that it is indeed a skill in itself to coax greatness out of talent. Some people can get more out of talent than others. It's a scale. Just like some people who can get a lot out of less talent, are not able to demonstrably more with greater talent.

1990 Giants weren't super talented on D...

Seems odd now but they were often big underdogs in Vegas.
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arcarsenal : 10/14/2019 9:36 am : link
2015/2016 are pretty much the perfect microcosm of Steve Spagnuolo's career.
Chiefs defense lost the toughness it had  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:48 am : link
moving on from Ford and Houston. Their front seven is getting pounded, and Mahomes is obviously slowed by the ankle.
I know the whole  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2019 10:07 am : link
there's only 32 NFL HC jobs so if one becomes available and they pick you - you gotta take it...but that Rams job he took was an impossible task.
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JonC : 10/14/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14627397 HitSquad said:
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I get the sense he needs big time players in order to run his style effectively.

The jump in production from 2015 to 2016 is a good example. Same coach, same scheme, but a healthier roster with added talent at all 3 levels. We finished #2 in points allowed behind the eventual SB Champion Patriots.


His scheme is predicated on pressure, he needs a four-man front that can dictate the LOS, shut down the run, and generate a push so he can bring extra heat off the edges. When his men are handled one on one up front, they get run on. Houston and Ford are studs, they subtract a ton of toughness and identity from the defense.
I think he's been pretty bad.  
Section331 : 10/14/2019 10:31 am : link
I get that you need talent to be able to produce good defenses, but he has only been even serviceable with HOF-level talent. Find me any DC that ISN'T successful when they can get consistent pressure from the front 4?

He had 3 good seasons with the Giants, everything else wasn't just been mediocre, he's had some of the worst defenses in NFL history.
RE: RE: Can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/14/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14627422 bw in dc said:
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True. I wish more posters would recognize that...


And why, people should let THIS year play out before ousting Shurmur. Stupid.
Spagnulo  
Percy : 10/14/2019 2:26 pm : link
Another way of looking at his career is that he simply has never made any difference at all.
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Matt M. : 10/14/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14628571 Percy said:
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Another way of looking at his career is that he simply has never made any difference at all.
This is it exactky. I'm not even sure what his scheme is. He only had success wheb he had the best DL in the game, which frankly every DC should be able to claim. Absent a completely dominant front 4, he has never schened around the issue. He has overseen a few of the very worst Dsin history.
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