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NFT: Succession finale (spoilers)

j_rud : 10/13/2019 10:22 pm
Holy shit, now that's how you do a finale. I cheered when Kendall went off script, was really hoping he'd do something like that. Runner up for scene of the night is Tom eating Logan's chicken. Top to bottom just a great episode that really highlights just how good the show has become.
It didn't seem to you  
pjcas18 : 10/13/2019 10:53 pm : link
that Logan wanted Kendal to go "off script"?

just the look on his face seemed like satisfaction - maybe that Kendall is the killer Shiv isn't.

anyway, I agree, great finale and great season.
RE: It didn't seem to you  
j_rud : 10/13/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14627548 pjcas18 said:
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that Logan wanted Kendal to go "off script"?

just the look on his face seemed like satisfaction - maybe that Kendall is the killer Shiv isn't.

anyway, I agree, great finale and great season.


It's definitely possible but would have been hard to predict. Even for a master manipulator like Logan. I think it was definitely satisfaction on his face though, maybe even pride. Someone on twitter had a great take: Logan never wanted to name a successor, he wanted one of them to take it.
RE: RE: It didn't seem to you  
pjcas18 : 10/13/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14627571 j_rud said:
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In comment 14627548 pjcas18 said:


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that Logan wanted Kendal to go "off script"?

just the look on his face seemed like satisfaction - maybe that Kendall is the killer Shiv isn't.

anyway, I agree, great finale and great season.



It's definitely possible but would have been hard to predict. Even for a master manipulator like Logan. I think it was definitely satisfaction on his face though, maybe even pride. Someone on twitter had a great take: Logan never wanted to name a successor, he wanted one of them to take it.

It definitely seems that way (now).
I  
mitch300 : 10/14/2019 9:15 am : link
Didnít understand why Greg went with him. Kendall did mention he had proof and the camera zooms in on Greg Golding a envelope. Maybe Greg told him on the flight home he had some evidence. Maybe Kendall was pissed Logan made him send his girlfriend back to shore? Great ending and great show.
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j_rud : 10/14/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14628015 mitch300 said:
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Didnít understand why Greg went with him. Kendall did mention he had proof and the camera zooms in on Greg Golding a envelope. Maybe Greg told him on the flight home he had some evidence. Maybe Kendall was pissed Logan made him send his girlfriend back to shore? Great ending and great show.


Greg seems like a dolt but he's proven pretty adept at self-preservation. He knows a sinking ship when he sees one, he was probably smarting from the ease with which he was suggested as a fall guy ("some Greg sprinkles"), and on two occasions left enormous money on the table to stick with Logan (his inheritance and the money to to act as a whistle-blower). He also really likes/looks up to Kendall, who probably didn't find it too difficult to persuade him to help him out.

Also, I just realized as I'm typing this, but didnt Greg actually tell Kendall he saved some documents at Shiv's wedding?
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pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14628015 mitch300 said:
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Didnít understand why Greg went with him. Kendall did mention he had proof and the camera zooms in on Greg Golding a envelope. Maybe Greg told him on the flight home he had some evidence. Maybe Kendall was pissed Logan made him send his girlfriend back to shore? Great ending and great show.


I thought Greg went to keep an eye on Kendall.

on the flight, Kendall said "greg you can go to the bathroom, I'm not going to throw myself out the window".

I took that to mean Greg was there making sure Kendall wasn't despondent and didn't do something rash.

I may have misread it though.
RE: It didn't seem to you  
AcesUp : 10/14/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14627548 pjcas18 said:
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that Logan wanted Kendal to go "off script"?

just the look on his face seemed like satisfaction - maybe that Kendall is the killer Shiv isn't.

anyway, I agree, great finale and great season.


There was definitely a look of pride on his face. Whether the moment took him by surprise or it was something he was hoping Kendell would do is what I am wondering. Logan flat out said that he himself made the most sense and its possible the whole yacht trip was a way to see if anybody had the balls to face him and make the right decision. With nobody stepping up, he felt that there wasn't anybody capable of handling the company other than himself so Kendell made the most sense as a patsy. Kendell doing what he did at the press conference may have shown Logan what he was looking for from Shiv.
Agree with the take that Logan admired what Kendall did  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2019 11:27 am : link
He doesn't believe any of his kids have what it takes to run his company. Kendall's shortcoming was that he was not a killer. Even during the takeover bid Kendall was almost apologizing to Logan. For the first time Kendall stood up to him definitively and aggressively.

I don't expect Logan will roll over and will fight tooth and nail to keep his company next season. But I think he has a respect for Kendall now that he didn't before.

A couple of other nice moments from the finale...

1) Tom eating Logan's chicken was done perfectly. Tom beside himself with fear while Logan is just befuddled by it.

2) Roman showing genuine concern for Kendall when he agrees to take the fall. Between that and the scene a couple of episodes back where Logan smacked Roman and Kendall leapt to his defense hints at a much more complex relationship than Season 1 ever showed.

3) Speaking of Roman, the scene where instead of patting himself on the back he shows genuine understanding of what is going on with the attempt to go private and good instincts shows a much more interesting character going forward rather than just being a clown.

4) Scene with Tom and Shiv on the beach again adds another interesting layer to that dynamic going forward.
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j_rud : 10/14/2019 12:11 pm : link
Good season  
steve in ky : 10/14/2019 4:56 pm : link
Holly Hunter did a good job with her character. All the rest of the players have all become more interesting this season.

The one thing I just couldnít buy was Greg turning down 250 million to remain working for Logan. Itís not logical that he is likely that he would even equal that let alone do better with Logan. Overall he isnít even valued highly, or treated very well. And in the first season he seemed like at his motherís urging he was just desperate for any nepotism hand out yet we are to believe he defies he Grandpa and walks away from an easy 250 million in the process.

I get why they did it because the show is better with his character in the mix, but make it 100k and not 250 million so itís believable.
RE: Good season  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14628746 steve in ky said:
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Holly Hunter did a good job with her character. All the rest of the players have all become more interesting this season.

The one thing I just couldnít buy was Greg turning down 250 million to remain working for Logan. Itís not logical that he is likely that he would even equal that let alone do better with Logan. Overall he isnít even valued highly, or treated very well. And in the first season he seemed like at his motherís urging he was just desperate for any nepotism hand out yet we are to believe he defies he Grandpa and walks away from an easy 250 million in the process.

I get why they did it because the show is better with his character in the mix, but make it 100k and not 250 million so itís believable.


Agree, it's a stretch, but it wasn't until his grandfather dies that he'd see that money. What does he do until then?


RE: It didn't seem to you  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/15/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14627548 pjcas18 said:
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that Logan wanted Kendal to go "off script"?

just the look on his face seemed like satisfaction - maybe that Kendall is the killer Shiv isn't.

anyway, I agree, great finale and great season.


He definitely did... the name of the show is literally Succession, and is about Loganís search for a successor. He said in the episode that Kendall was not a killer and thatís why he wasnít fit for it. So by showing he was a killer, he proved he was ready for what Logan needs to find.
The one thing that doesn't fit neatly into Kendall not being killer  
steve in ky : 10/16/2019 2:55 am : link
is that he had already made a bold move to take the company from Logan, and probably would have, if not for the accident where he was driving and the young man died and his needing Logan's connections to cover it up to likely avoid prison, and the Quid pro quo that followed.

Sure after that the way the wrote the character he became somewhat neutered by it all, but he clearly had it in him to take on Logan, and already proved it once. It wasn't too terribly shocking that he would do it again.
really liked the finale  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/17/2019 6:45 pm : link
I was slow to get on this bandwagon, but it's just great. The acting is excellent, especially the actors who portray Kendall and Logan.

Tom eating the chicken and just losing his mind was great. Shiv begging to keep Tom was something Logan won't forget, and her chances of being his successor seem to be dropping by the day since the dinner table incident.

I almost feel bad for Connor, but then I think about what a spoiled little b*tch he is and I can resume laughing at him "Can I maybe borrow a little $100 mill?". The way Logan reacted to Connor's idea to take the blame as the mastermind was great.

Greg is fantastic lol, what a bold move to jump on Kendall's side. Really wish we saw his convo with Kendall on the plane but that would ruin the surprise.

This show has always seemed to setup Kendall as the guy, but that feels too simple. The way Roman has ascended has been impressive, Logan clearly believes that Roman has a better attitude and instincts than Kendall.

Marcia is just lurking in the background but she shouldn't be forgotten.

Can't wait for the next season.
RE: RE: It didn't seem to you  
Jay on the Island : 10/18/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14627571 j_rud said:
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In comment 14627548 pjcas18 said:


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that Logan wanted Kendal to go "off script"?

just the look on his face seemed like satisfaction - maybe that Kendall is the killer Shiv isn't.

anyway, I agree, great finale and great season.



It's definitely possible but would have been hard to predict. Even for a master manipulator like Logan. I think it was definitely satisfaction on his face though, maybe even pride. Someone on twitter had a great take: Logan never wanted to name a successor, he wanted one of them to take it.

Thatís definitely how I interpreted it. I think Kendall was ready to take the fall until his dad told him that he wasnít a killer. Ken is clearly the best choice. It was obvious that Logan was proud of Kendall at the end with his subtle smile.

This show is incredible and this season was excellent IMO. There are so many great characters but my favorites are Tom, Greg, Roman, and Ken. Iím looking forward to season 3.
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