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1st and 10 : 10/14/2019 6:50 am
as mentioned a few times, I have a friend in the industry (not associated with any 1 team) and every once in a while, he passes along some good info.

With that said, he told me to hang on to my hat regarding the Eli rumor mill and him being traded. These rumors are already picking up big time after Sunday's games as numerous teams are now rumored to be looking for a QB prior to the trade deadline. He expects Eli will be rumored or linked to 3-4 teams.
Itís really up to Eli  
Sean : 10/14/2019 6:52 am : link
If he wants to play, he should get the opportunity somewhere. Iíd prefer him to retire a Giant, but it might not happen.
RE: Itís really up to Eli  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/14/2019 7:11 am : link
In comment 14627881 Sean said:
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If he wants to play, he should get the opportunity somewhere. Iíd prefer him to retire a Giant, but it might not happen.


Which is why it's called a no trade clause. He cannot be traded without his consent.
Eli has repeatedly stated he believes he  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 7:16 am : link
Can still play at a high level.

I also believe being the fierce competitor he is, the fact that Brady, Brees, Big Ben, until he got hurt, and Rivers, still being major players on their franchises at similar and older ages, has Eli believing he can play several more years.

He gets the chance to play again, I think he takes it, and he should.

It makes the tanney re-signing  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 7:48 am : link
Make sense
Iíd be curious to see how Eli performs  
exiled : 10/14/2019 7:54 am : link
in a better overall offense. Not curious enough to want him traded, but Iíd wish him well if it happened. Actually, who am I kidding, Iíd be rooting like hell for him to kick ass.
It is starting to make a little more sense  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2019 7:55 am : link
Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.

Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.

And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?
I'd leave in a minute  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 7:57 am : link
These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
RE: It is starting to make a little more sense  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14627908 Dnew15 said:
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Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.

Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.

And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?


He can only be traded before the deadline.

Iím not sure what you mean here
I thought there was no way  
section125 : 10/14/2019 8:03 am : link
OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?

NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.

Nope. I really don't see it.
Chicago?  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 8:05 am : link
How long is Mitch out for?
RE: Chicago?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14627917 ron mexico said:
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How long is Mitch out for?


I think he's back this week.
His choice  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2019 8:06 am : link
If a team wants him and Eli wants to go let him and make it fairly easy to do so.

Tennessee and Chicago make the most sense as he could play this year and if the team played well and Eli played well they could extend him for a year.
Hope your friend is right  
BBelle21 : 10/14/2019 8:07 am : link
Wanted Eli to retire as a Giant but itís clear Gettleman and Shurmur never committed to him. Or couldnít. Hopefully the team that trades for him can protect him but also have a scheme that works to his strengths. Unlike here. In that great SI profile someone posted a few days ago, I wondered why Peyton was conspicuously silent. No quotes from him. Can imagine Peyton hating this ďend of EliĒ narrative and seeing Eli on the sideline; especially if he knows Eli can still play at a high level.
If I were to make an educated guess  
JonC : 10/14/2019 8:08 am : link
He's not leaving his family here and going somewhere else for a mid-season shitshow.
What is your friend saying because what you said is nothing new?  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 8:13 am : link
You didn't say Eli will be traded. You just said his name will be thrown around in rumors. No disrespect because I appreciate any info but I could have said his name will be involved in trade rumors this time of year.
Rumors are rumors.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/14/2019 8:24 am : link
Need I remind people of how the world is today with synapse, er, social media? Bots? You name it.

Believe nothing, speculate as you please.
In the AFC..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2019 8:31 am : link
South anything is possible:

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Jags - not a playoff team


They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.
RE: If I were to make an educated guess  
stoneman : 10/14/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14627922 JonC said:
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He's not leaving his family here and going somewhere else for a mid-season shitshow.



My guess here is that there will be an opportunity that includes 2 more years as well. One of the teams drafting QBs this year will (there will be 5 of them) will want to test out the KC model - once again :)
I think the Giants are going to push for a trade  
Matt in SGS : 10/14/2019 8:34 am : link
again, the Glazer report last week seemed to be Gettleman putting out a "for sale" sign on the lawn. Based on last year, we know that Gettleman will trade off parts for picks. I would think that he is going to see if anyone bites on Jenkins as well. Even though the Giants are just a game back, the focus has to remain on building to compete in 2020. If the NFC East comes back to the pack and give the Giants a shot late, that's a bonus.

And what's Eli worth? Flacco netted a 4th rounder, so that might be the range, and if they can get a couple teams in the mix, maybe a 3rd.

But like JonC said, unless it's the right fit for Eli with a chance at a playoff run, I don't see him uprooting his life.
RE: Eli has repeatedly stated he believes he  
M.S. : 10/14/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14627886 joeinpa said:
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Can still play at a high level.

I also believe being the fierce competitor he is, the fact that Brady, Brees, Big Ben, until he got hurt, and Rivers, still being major players on their franchises at similar and older ages, has Eli believing he can play several more years.

He gets the chance to play again, I think he takes it, and he should.

Would love for Eli to get a chance to play for a winner! But I don't think he can sustain a high level of play unless everything around him is firing on all cylinders. And as for Eli being traded, I'll believe it when I see it.
Are there other QBs with expiring contracts? Throw their names in a  
Ivan15 : 10/14/2019 8:35 am : link
hat as well.

Andy Dalton?
RE: I think the Giants are going to push for a trade  
M.S. : 10/14/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14627950 Matt in SGS said:
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again, the Glazer report last week seemed to be Gettleman putting out a "for sale" sign on the lawn. Based on last year, we know that Gettleman will trade off parts for picks. I would think that he is going to see if anyone bites on Jenkins as well. Even though the Giants are just a game back, the focus has to remain on building to compete in 2020. If the NFC East comes back to the pack and give the Giants a shot late, that's a bonus.

And what's Eli worth? Flacco netted a 4th rounder, so that might be the range, and if they can get a couple teams in the mix, maybe a 3rd.

But like JonC said, unless it's the right fit for Eli with a chance at a playoff run, I don't see him uprooting his life.

IMO, Jenkins is as good as gone. It's only a matter of time. We should be able to secure a 3rd Rounder at BEST, but more likely a 4th or 5th.
I love Eli  
superspynyg : 10/14/2019 8:40 am : link
He s a hall of Famer in my book

But
If,so am for doing whatís best for. The team. If he is willing to waive his no trade clause then get a pick for him. Possibly a 2nd
I think they move Jenkins  
JonC : 10/14/2019 8:49 am : link
if they can get a #2 or #3.
I see only one team that makes sense  
Chris684 : 10/14/2019 8:49 am : link
and thatís Tennessee.

Jax almost has to go with Minshew. Same with Chicago and Mitch. Indy New Orleans and Minnesota are not options.

The Titans however, just benched Mariota for Tannehill. Talk about QB hell. Titans seems to be built around power OL, run game and defense. Pretty perfect for Eli at this stage. Probably worth a shot for them at 2-4.

Pittsburgh coming off a win and with Rudolph out might be a log shot play if they were confident Eli is hanging them up at the end of the season with Ben still there, otherwise awkward for many reasons.

RE: In the AFC..  
section125 : 10/14/2019 8:50 am : link
In comment 14627946 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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South anything is possible:



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Jags - not a playoff team



They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.


I think Eli will only go to a likely playoff team. Tenn and Jags are 2-4. Not really sure they can beat out Houston. It is early and they could turn it around - both with good Ds.

(Boy Winston and Mariota really stinking it up in contract years.)
Jenkins is more of a possibility  
Chris684 : 10/14/2019 8:52 am : link
If Beal returns and shows he can play much sooner than later in my opinion.
Nobody is trading for Eli  
Rflairr : 10/14/2019 8:53 am : link
.
Eli gets paid 20M+  
WideRight : 10/14/2019 8:54 am : link
To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
It is funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2019 8:56 am : link
after watching Arizona cut bait with Rosen, you have to wonder if not cutting bait hamstrings some of these teams:

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(Boy Winston and Mariota really stinking it up in contract years.)


Tennessee has the defense and OL to be decent and TB has a great core of WR's, yet both teams are .500 at best.
No team will trade for Eli on a short-term basis  
Simms11 : 10/14/2019 8:56 am : link
and I donít think Teams are Looking at Eli as a long-term starter. Eli will not want to be a back up again on another team. I personally think Eli will retire a Giant this year.
RE: Eli gets paid 20M+  
AcidTest : 10/14/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14627980 WideRight said:
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To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.


^This. If he wants to play after this year, he's better at his age not playing at all this season. That will give his body plenty of time to recuperate. Tennessee makes the most sense, but I'd be surprised if he waived his no trade clause to go there when they are 2-4. He'd also have to learn a new offense in the middle of the season, which is not a recipe for success.

I'd trade Jenkins for a #2 or #3, but don't see anyone doing that.
RE: Eli gets paid 20M+  
section125 : 10/14/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14627980 WideRight said:
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To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.


$$ is not the motivating factor for top of the line athletes. They have their money. Rings are what gets these guys juices flowing. I think if Eli got a chance with Pittsburgh, he'd be pretty tempted to go.
I keep saying....that is only logical reason Tanney is on roster  
George from PA : 10/14/2019 9:02 am : link
It would make zero sense to keep 2 vets in QB room
RE: I'd leave in a minute  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14627911 Big_N said:
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).


Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
He could go to Tennessee  
ZoneXDOA : 10/14/2019 9:05 am : link
They should not be as bad as they are right now
I would guess  
fkap : 10/14/2019 9:08 am : link
Eli is thinking multiple years, even though his contract is up this year. A new contract with the new team might be part of the deal.

So, it doesn't have to be a team that is looking only at this season.

I don't think the return will be all that high. Biggest benefit will be the cap relief.

IF Giants can get a 2 or 3 for Jenkins, race to get it done. That's a mighty big IF for a declining, expensive player. Again, a big benefit will be cap relief.
Just going to throw this out there  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:09 am : link
I know there is a ton of brain power and knowledge on this site.

however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.

For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
I do agree with Matt  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:14 am : link
DG will try and move him, but I suspect Eli won't go right now. If he can make the decisions for himself as a UFA next Winter without the Giants in the loop, perhaps he and the wife decide there's a better place for them to live the next phase of their lives. My two cents.
As  
AcidTest : 10/14/2019 9:15 am : link
others have said, Eli would probably require a new deal of two years beyond this season to waive his no trade clause. That would allow him to continue to play while his new team develops his successor, presumably a high draft pick in 2020. Tennessee could be that team since Mariotta is obviously done there, but the question is whether they will offer Eli such a deal.
pj  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:16 am : link
Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.
RE: I thought there was no way  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2019 9:19 am : link
In comment 14627914 section125 said:
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OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?

NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.

Nope. I really don't see it.


Tennessee is need of a QB.
Indy has no viable second option if Brisset goes down
NE- laugh if you want but all they have is Brady.
Chicago possibility
Pittsburgh is a definite possibility


Keep in mind some of these teams may be looking for a backup who could keep their season going if needed. QB's falling all over the place.
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14628016 JonC said:
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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.


I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.

I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.

But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.


RE: RE: I thought there was no way  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14628019 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14627914 section125 said:


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OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?

NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.

Nope. I really don't see it.



Tennessee is need of a QB.
Indy has no viable second option if Brisset goes down
NE- laugh if you want but all they have is Brady.
Chicago possibility
Pittsburgh is a definite possibility


Keep in mind some of these teams may be looking for a backup who could keep their season going if needed. QB's falling all over the place.


To be clear I am not saying ELI would agree, just that there are teams out there that may be interested.
JonC  
fkap : 10/14/2019 9:27 am : link
a counterpoint is that the no trade clause means Eli controls his destination, just as in FA. Having the Giants in the middle makes it a little messier, true, but he also gets a jump start on the competition next year (a bird in the hand...).
I think Eli would only go for a perfect fit  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 9:29 am : link
The only teams I could see him agreeing to go to are the Steelers and Saints. The Saints are not interested because Brees will be back soon and Bridgewater is playing well in his absence.

The Steelers make the most sense, they are in win now mode and they have a very good team minus the QB. Interestingly enough the Steelers have a bye week next week. Were they to acquire Eli in the next few days he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the playbook.
RE: In the AFC..  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14627946 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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South anything is possible:



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Jags - not a playoff team



They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.


I agree, for some strange reason I don't believe Jax thinks Minshew is the answer (possible because I don't so, maybe its a self fulfilling prophecy). I think
- Pittsburgh,
- Jax,
- Tennessee,
- Denver

could all be in play. If I was also Tampa Bay I'd be interested, because I think Winston stinks, but I don't think they are looking (yet).
RE: RE: I'd leave in a minute  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14627999 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14627911 Big_N said:


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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).



Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment


Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.

Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.

Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
RE: What is your friend saying because what you said is nothing new?  
1st and 10 : 10/14/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14627926 robbieballs2003 said:
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You didn't say Eli will be traded. You just said his name will be thrown around in rumors. No disrespect because I appreciate any info but I could have said his name will be involved in trade rumors this time of year.


Yes, you are right, I did not say he would be traded, just his name will and it appears already has come up more.

What he is hearing is that a few more teams are becoming desperate enough where they are now openly considering Eli in a trade, which they were not even a few weeks ago.

Whether a trade happens or not, I do not know nor does my friend as he does not have that info.

Bottom line, it seems like more teams are looking at him/inquiring about him, which will be interesting to say the least, going forward.
RE: RE: pj  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14628022 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14628016 JonC said:


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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.



I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.

I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.

But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.



That's fine, next time I'll actually provide absolutes.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14628028 fkap said:
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a counterpoint is that the no trade clause means Eli controls his destination, just as in FA. Having the Giants in the middle makes it a little messier, true, but he also gets a jump start on the competition next year (a bird in the hand...).


Sure, like I said, it's an educated guess.

Everyone needs to RELAX.
He needs to go to a team with a top 5 OL in the league.  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/14/2019 9:34 am : link
I absolutely still believe he can make most of the throws he was making his prime. But I've literally never seen a more immobile QB. That has been his donwfall, not his arm. But if he gets extraordinary protection, I do think he's still very capable of picking apart most defenses.
RE: I think Eli would only go for a perfect fit  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/14/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14628031 Jay on the Island said:
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The only teams I could see him agreeing to go to are the Steelers and Saints. The Saints are not interested because Brees will be back soon and Bridgewater is playing well in his absence.

The Steelers make the most sense, they are in win now mode and they have a very good team minus the QB. Interestingly enough the Steelers have a bye week next week. Were they to acquire Eli in the next few days he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the playbook.


I was a Teddy guy since his Vikings days, but he isn't very good. They have been winning on the back of their defense and run game. Brees is coming back so its moot. The one team that makes sense at all is the Steelers and that is entirely how they feel about Rudolph, but he hasn't impressed anyone. I thought a trade was extremely unlikely but the afc north sucks and the steelers have the line to protect him.
Many here  
Giantophile : 10/14/2019 9:37 am : link
continue to overvalue the market for Eli. The Jags are in the midst of full blown "Minshew Mania", a young exciting QB they can market to a fanbase desperate for a new face. You think they're gonna trade for Eli? Please.

Maaaaybe the Steelers could use him but I think the OVERWHELMING odds are that Eli finishes the season as the #2 QB, picks up his paycheck then hangs em up at the end of the year.
RE: RE: RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14628036 JonC said:
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In comment 14628022 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14628016 JonC said:


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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.



I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.

I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.

But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.





That's fine, next time I'll actually provide absolutes.


You addressed me. My comment wasn't even about your post.

maybe you should RELAX
Minshew Mania..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2019 9:39 am : link
is likely going to remind people more of the Magic Majkowski fanfare.

He's already starting to show warts and even in the midst of the Mania, the team is 2-4.
I am always relaxed  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:41 am : link
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Tennessee Titans make perfect sense  
GiantTuff1 : 10/14/2019 9:41 am : link
Iíve floated this out there several times.

Titans with Mariota and Tannehill arenít doing shit. They proved it getting shut out yesterday.

Eli can run that New England / Vrabel offense.

It would be a perfect situation for Eli.

Plus, you know how many karaoke bars there are in Nashville? That alone will get Eli to waive the NTC
RE: I am always relaxed  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14628053 JonC said:
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Same
I've got  
crick n NC : 10/14/2019 9:42 am : link
A fifty fifty chance of being relaxed, but there is only a ten percent chance of that.
What highlights in the  
Pork Chop : 10/14/2019 9:43 am : link
first two games would make another GM pick up the phone and call the Giants? I love Eli, but what other team fan base would be excited to part with a 4 or 5 to get Eli for half a year?
RE: I see only one team that makes sense  
BBelle21 : 10/14/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14627971 Chris684 said:
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and thatís Tennessee.

Jax almost has to go with Minshew. Same with Chicago and Mitch. Indy New Orleans and Minnesota are not options.

The Titans however, just benched Mariota for Tannehill. Talk about QB hell. Titans seems to be built around power OL, run game and defense. Pretty perfect for Eli at this stage. Probably worth a shot for them at 2-4.

Pittsburgh coming off a win and with Rudolph out might be a log shot play if they were confident Eli is hanging them up at the end of the season with Ben still there, otherwise awkward for many reasons.


Abby is from Memphis and her family is there so as far as the wife is concerned, maybe she wouldnít mind Tennessee. Plus Vols ties to Peyton. Never know how things turn out
RE: RE: It is starting to make a little more sense  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14627913 ron mexico said:
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Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.

Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.

And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?



He can only be traded before the deadline.

Iím not sure what you mean here


Sorry - I mean traded right at the deadline.
RE: Just going to throw this out there  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14628006 pjcas18 said:
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I know there is a ton of brain power and knowledge on this site.

however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.

For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.


Of course we donít. This is a football board and most every opinion here is based on speculation formed from afar. However, isnít that the pt of BBI?
Some people say things  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:54 am : link
and you get the sense they know they are writing an opinion, or an educated guess. Other people type things like it is a Fait Accompli.

this to me sounds like the latter.

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Eli gets paid 20M+
WideRight : 8:54 am : link : reply
To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
JonC  
fkap : 10/14/2019 9:55 am : link
I wasn't yapping at you. Just counterpointing the 'wait for FA'

Couldn't tell if you were serious with the relax.

It makes me laugh when people get wound up and take things waaay too literally. None of us have seen the medical charts, so we can't say don't rush Barkley back. We aren't professional evaluators, so don't disagree with Sy. We don't have barbecue with Eli, so don't offer an opinion on what might be going through his head/good for his career. It's a frigging message board. People often write things meant to be generic, not to be taken as an absolute. The Giants, Eli, anyone, aren't making decisions based on what is written here.
RE: What highlights in the  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14628063 Pork Chop said:
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first two games would make another GM pick up the phone and call the Giants? I love Eli, but what other team fan base would be excited to part with a 4 or 5 to get Eli for half a year?


This probably....
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Disinformation central at it again  
WillieYoung : 10/14/2019 9:58 am : link
Eli's salary is not 20 Million, it's 11.5. That 718,000 a game. With 6 games gone so is $4.2 Million of that salary.
Giants would probably jump for joy to get $7.3 million of cap savings so a 5th or a 6th is a lot more likely a return than a 2nd or 3rd.

However, the way things are going for the Giants, Jones is certain to get injured the week after we trade Eli.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 10/14/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14628081 fkap said:
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I wasn't yapping at you. Just counterpointing the 'wait for FA'

Couldn't tell if you were serious with the relax.

It makes me laugh when people get wound up and take things waaay too literally. None of us have seen the medical charts, so we can't say don't rush Barkley back. We aren't professional evaluators, so don't disagree with Sy. We don't have barbecue with Eli, so don't offer an opinion on what might be going through his head/good for his career. It's a frigging message board. People often write things meant to be generic, not to be taken as an absolute. The Giants, Eli, anyone, aren't making decisions based on what is written here.


Nah, all good. There's also more legit info posted here than people realize at times. But, it's getting harder to be plain about it as forum is monitoring and many aren't bothering anymore.
RE: RE: RE: I'd leave in a minute  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14628033 Big_N said:
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).



Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment



Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.

Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.

Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.


Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.

You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.

Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.

I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
RE: RE: Just going to throw this out there  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14628074 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14628006 pjcas18 said:


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I know there is a ton of brain power and knowledge on this site.

however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.

For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.



Of course we donít. This is a football board and most every opinion here is based on speculation formed from afar. However, isnít that the pt of BBI?


Not so sure. It seems like many a sports fan, and here included, think they are "informed" fans or whatever and think Bill Belichick looks for ideas on next weeks game on BBI and is like "hmmm I wonder what drunk_giants_fan56 has to say."
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'd leave in a minute  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14628093 joeinpa said:
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).



Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment



Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.

Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.

Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.



Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.

You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.

Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.

I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first


Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
Pittsburgh is the ideal place  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 10:10 am : link
They have a very talented roster. They are down to their 3rd QB Devlin Hodges. Rudolph could be back soon but he wasn't playing very well outside of the Bengals game.

The Steelers have a bye week next week and are still in win now mode. They seem to be the ideal fit for Eli as he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the offense which is plenty of time for Eli.
Tennessee is the only team that makes sense  
AcesUp : 10/14/2019 10:16 am : link
They have a run-oriented offense and it really is the only situation in the league where a team might have playoff aspirations and Eli represents an upgrade.
Tennessee  
arniefez : 10/14/2019 10:19 am : link
Also has no QB for next year.
RE: Tennessee  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14628127 arniefez said:
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Also has no QB for next year.

They will give Tannehill a shot to prove that he deserves to be the starter next year. More than likely they will target a QB in next years draft.
RE: Tennessee is the only team that makes sense  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14628117 AcesUp said:
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They have a run-oriented offense and it really is the only situation in the league where a team might have playoff aspirations and Eli represents an upgrade.

Why doesn't Pittsburgh make sense? They have a great defense, are also a run-oriented offense, they have a bye week next week, and the Rooney's are close with the Mara's.
Eli is done as a starter in the nfl  
Junior22 : 10/14/2019 10:27 am : link
Sucks that many here can't see it.
I still don't understand the whole moves his family fucking line  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/14/2019 10:28 am : link
It's 3 months tops. People do business trips, deployments, etc, etc all the time. And its the posters that speak with absolute certainty for the most important. The fait acompli was a good line.
RE: Eli is done as a starter in the nfl  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14628140 Junior22 said:
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Sucks that many here can't see it.

What a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting that Eli can still be a good starting QB in the NFL. What this thread is clearly about is that injuries have forced teams to evaluate their QB position. Are you suggesting that Devlin Hodges, Gardner Minshew, Chase Daniel, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, etc are better choices for teams with playoff aspirations?

The Steelers traded their 2020 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. They are trying to win now and Devlin Hodges is not the QB to get them there. Eli doesn't have to be 2011 Eli to improve their QB situation.
RE: I still don't understand the whole moves his family fucking line  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14628141 Zeke's Alibi said:
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It's 3 months tops. People do business trips, deployments, etc, etc all the time. And its the posters that speak with absolute certainty for the most important. The fait acompli was a good line.

I used to think that way until I had kids. Now I completely understand not wanting to go through another move for just a few months. Add in the fact that he has to learn a new playbook, find temporary housing, etc.
Don't discount Indy  
HomerJones45 : 10/14/2019 10:37 am : link
That's a good team and they may regard Brissett as a quality backup and not an every day starter.
RE: RE: Tennessee is the only team that makes sense  
AcesUp : 10/14/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14628135 Jay on the Island said:
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They have a run-oriented offense and it really is the only situation in the league where a team might have playoff aspirations and Eli represents an upgrade.


Why doesn't Pittsburgh make sense? They have a great defense, are also a run-oriented offense, they have a bye week next week, and the Rooney's are close with the Mara's.


Good point, I'll walk it back a little and add them. I do buy the party line that they like Mason Rudolph. Who really knows how they actually see him though.
I think some here are underestimating  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2019 10:59 am : link
Eli's competitive nature. He may not value cashing paychecks and going home to play with his kids as much as he wants to simply be playing football right now. Guys don't get to where he got if their personality is "wow, it's awesome to get paid to do nothing!"

Eli may very well waive his NTC to go to a team like the Titans even if they are not a playoff team just to play. The question is why would the Titans bring him in? Is he markedly better than Tannehill at this point? What do you do with Mariota now that you have essentially said he is not your guy?

I think the bigger problem with trading Eli is not does he want to still play somewhere else but what team has a situation that he would fit?

He's a perfect band aid for a team missing it's starter for this year that still has playoff aspirations. Who is that? New Orleans? No way they move of Bridgewater since he has won every game he has started. Jacksonville? You just paid Foles a bunch of money. Is this team a contender with Eli this year? I tend to doubt it but they may feel differently. That is the only logical destination I can see for him this year.
RE: RE: Eli is done as a starter in the nfl  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14628144 Jay on the Island said:
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Sucks that many here can't see it.


What a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting that Eli can still be a good starting QB in the NFL. What this thread is clearly about is that injuries have forced teams to evaluate their QB position. Are you suggesting that Devlin Hodges, Gardner Minshew, Chase Daniel, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, etc are better choices for teams with playoff aspirations?

The Steelers traded their 2020 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. They are trying to win now and Devlin Hodges is not the QB to get them there. Eli doesn't have to be 2011 Eli to improve their QB situation.


This Junior guy craps on Eli on every thread. I get the feeling he is like 15 yrs old and doesn't remember the good that Eli has done. Its like a broken record with him.
RE: Eli is done as a starter in the nfl  
Johnny5 : 10/14/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14628140 Junior22 said:
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Sucks that many here can't see it.

LOL WTF? Why do you care? Geezus let it go already dude.
Tennesse makes no sense to me  
bluepepper : 10/14/2019 11:12 am : link
they have 2 QB's with quite a bit of experience, one of whom they explicitly brought in to take over if the first one faltered. Mariota did indeed falter so they went to Tannehill. They're going to cry uncle no just on Mariota but on Tannehill? In favor of an immobile 38 year old who doesn't know their system? Don't think so.


Seems like Tenn  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 11:12 am : link
is the only logical spot at this point.
I think Eli is the only one that is really  
Jimmy Googs : 10/14/2019 11:13 am : link
relaxed about this topic...
lol  
Default : 10/14/2019 11:16 am : link
delusional
RE: Minshew Mania..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/14/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14628051 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is likely going to remind people more of the Magic Majkowski fanfare.

He's already starting to show warts and even in the midst of the Mania, the team is 2-4.


Or Hoyingmania
RE: RE: What highlights in the  
BBelle21 : 10/14/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14628083 Big_N said:
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first two games would make another GM pick up the phone and call the Giants? I love Eli, but what other team fan base would be excited to part with a 4 or 5 to get Eli for half a year?



This probably.... Link - ( New Window )


Hm, I thought Eli was a statue and couldnít make plays like this anymore. Thanks for posting it
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'd leave in a minute  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14628106 Big_N said:
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).



Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment



Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.

Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.

Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.



Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.

You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.

Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.

I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first



Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.


Big, I m a Giants fan. I m not a Kapernick (sp) fan, but if Jones was a bust and they signed him, I d root for the team.

But I donít get your analogy, Kapernick is a known commodity, and not very good, plus he brings controversy. Jones is a rookie high draft pick with potential.

Also in an earlier text you alluded to Jones and the interceptions implying they would not have happened with Eli.

You really should check out Eli s place in all time interceptions by quarterbacks before you throw that out there. Again entitled to your opinion, but if you lose objectivity people wonít take your pts seriously.
RE: If I were to make an educated guess  
Thegratefulhead : 10/14/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14627922 JonC said:
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He's not leaving his family here and going somewhere else for a mid-season shitshow.
If he was chasing a championship maybe, but he has hardware. I agree that he stays.
I would think that if Eli wanted to play anywhere else  
Rudy5757 : 10/14/2019 12:09 pm : link
he would just ask for his release and the Giants would grant it. Sure we might get a pick but possibly in the 4th round range or later. If thats the case then its worth hanging on to Eli and let him become a FA then if he signs elsewhere for a boatload of money we could get a comp pick out of it.

If I had to guess I would say that he will stay with the Giants this season and explore FA next year and if no good offers come in he just retires. Options are fairly limited right now and why not just wait it out and make the best choice instead.
It explains why we held on to Tanney  
hammock man : 10/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
.
It explains  
hammock man : 10/14/2019 12:15 pm : link
why we held onto Tanney
RE: I would think that if Eli wanted to play anywhere else  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14628355 Rudy5757 said:
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he would just ask for his release and the Giants would grant it. Sure we might get a pick but possibly in the 4th round range or later. If thats the case then its worth hanging on to Eli and let him become a FA then if he signs elsewhere for a boatload of money we could get a comp pick out of it.

If I had to guess I would say that he will stay with the Giants this season and explore FA next year and if no good offers come in he just retires. Options are fairly limited right now and why not just wait it out and make the best choice instead.


A trade is much better from a cap perspective. If he is released, he still gets paid. If he is traded, the remainder of his salary comes off the books.

Titans  
FranknWeezer : 10/14/2019 12:31 pm : link
Would make lots of sense.
Love the hell out of Eli...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/14/2019 1:25 pm : link
I would not hesitate providing he approves of a trade not
for a moment and take whatever you can get for him .
At this point I would add Tate Ellison Soldier Jenkins
and Ogletree to the list accumulate picks and continue
to build . Draft capitol to move up as well .
We will certainly add a few more players in free agency .
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I'd leave in a minute  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14628286 joeinpa said:
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).



Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment



Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.

Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.

Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.



Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.

You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.

Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.

I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first



Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.



Big, I m a Giants fan. I m not a Kapernick (sp) fan, but if Jones was a bust and they signed him, I d root for the team.

But I donít get your analogy, Kapernick is a known commodity, and not very good, plus he brings controversy. Jones is a rookie high draft pick with potential.

Also in an earlier text you alluded to Jones and the interceptions implying they would not have happened with Eli.

You really should check out Eli s place in all time interceptions by quarterbacks before you throw that out there. Again entitled to your opinion, but if you lose objectivity people wonít take your pts seriously.


I think you missed the point. What I am saying is when do you draw the line on being a Giants fan first ? I don't know about you but, it would be really hard to me cheer for a colin kaepernick if he became a Giants qb. Or Cheer for the Giants at that point.

Also Dj and the ints. Sure Eli threw some bad passes in his day but also threw a lot of TDs too. He was a much better prospect as a high draft pick. He also played against teams like #1 D Pittsburgh in his rookie year and did not look like a rookie at all. People can say djs top guys are out. I mean was fumble-prone Tiki that good that year ? I remember his best years being later ones. And Amani toomer ? was he a 20 million dollar Wide Receiver? Engram has been inconsistent anyway. And I remember Eli doing pretty damn good with a backup TE in an SB.
Eli Manning actually played  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2019 3:10 pm : link
against the #1 Defense in the league his rookie year - the Baltimore Ravens.

He went 4-18 for 27 yards and 2 Int before he was benched.

That was with Barber, Shockey and Toomer all playing.
If Gettleman got a 2nd  
ryanmkeane : 10/14/2019 3:48 pm : link
rounder for Jenkins I'll be damn pleased. Even a 3rd would be solid. That being said, I like Jenkins. He's a good corner in a league that needs them...although a few times a year he does seem to have moronic plays such as the 4th down against Pats where he basically tackled the guy to the ground. Gotta stop that!
RE: Eli Manning actually played  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14628609 Dnew15 said:
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against the #1 Defense in the league his rookie year - the Baltimore Ravens.

He went 4-18 for 27 yards and 2 Int before he was benched.

That was with Barber, Shockey and Toomer all playing.


Good grief.

How are they the number 1 Defense? In any case, he played against a very good Stealers D and team and they only lost by a field goal giving like 10 points on the line. He went 16 of 23 with 2 TD 1 Int and 104 rating. The lost by 3; no moral victories despite losing by 3 touchdowns or 18 ; excuses that the game was much closer etc.

Can you imagine what this board would have been like if Jones had done that against either the Vikes or Pats? I just get the distinct feeling that the only way Jones puts up those numbers is against teams like the Cards next week. But hey when you won 3 games 2 years ago anything to get excited about.
You are correct -  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2019 4:40 pm : link
The Steelers did technically the highest ranked defense in the league in 2004 - my bad.

But you made the comparison of Eli V Jones.

Here are Eli's stats from his first game to your Steelers reference:

Atl 17-37 162 yrds 1 TD 2 Int
Phi 6-21 148 yrds 2 Int
Wash 12-25 113 yrds
Balt 4-18 27 yrds 2 Int

Pretty sure that DJ stacks up pretty well compared to the start of Eli's career thus far.
Maybe this isn't possible contract wise,  
smshmth8690 : 10/14/2019 6:40 pm : link
but what Eli waves his no trade, and the Giants move him for a mid-round pick, and pay the rest of this seasons contract? A team might be more interested if there was no salary hit.
RE: Maybe this isn't possible contract wise,  
Diver_Down : 10/14/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14628813 smshmth8690 said:
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but what Eli waves his no trade, and the Giants move him for a mid-round pick, and pay the rest of this seasons contract? A team might be more interested if there was no salary hit.


It makes it more complicated, but it is possible. The Tannehill trade to the Titans is the most recent. Miami was looking to add picks and move on from Tannehill. He still had a chuck of change due to him ($7M). Miami ended up giving Tannehill $5M in the form of signing bonus while Tenn. only had to pay $2M. In return, Miami received a 4th and a 7th from Tenn while Tenn will get a 6th back.
I don't think the Giants should be selling anybody, including Eli  
Go Terps : 10/14/2019 6:55 pm : link
They're 1 game out of the divisional race with 10 games to play. For context, the last time the Giants won the division (2011 - sad that it's been that long) the Giants were 1 game out with 2 to play (NYG 7-7 v. DAL 8-6). We don't know if we'll need Eli to win a key game in a divisional race.

We're 1 game out. Go fucking win games.
RE: Don't discount Indy  
bw in dc : 10/14/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14628157 HomerJones45 said:
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That's a good team and they may regard Brissett as a quality backup and not an every day starter.


That would surprise me. They are very high on Brissett. Heís just a better football player than Eli right now. His mobility is ideal for what they are trying to accomplish.

I think Zeke is right. Pittsburgh makes the most sense in this hypothetical. They think they are still in the AFCN hunt, which they are, and Masonís injury scares them. Guy got knocked out cold last week. That was tough to watch...
RE: I don't think the Giants should be selling anybody, including Eli  
Sean : 10/14/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14628816 Go Terps said:
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They're 1 game out of the divisional race with 10 games to play. For context, the last time the Giants won the division (2011 - sad that it's been that long) the Giants were 1 game out with 2 to play (NYG 7-7 v. DAL 8-6). We don't know if we'll need Eli to win a key game in a divisional race.

We're 1 game out. Go fucking win games.


That would remove excuses though. This post is so true. The Giants are 1GB with a home game against Dallas & 2 games with Philly remaining. Why punt the season?

ARI
@DET
DAL
@NYJ

Go out and go 3-1 in this stretch and get to 5-5. Letís hold the coaching staff accountable. The entire division has issues, take advantage and get on a roll. If not, letís kind a staff that can do it.
If trading your backup  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 7:18 pm : link
QB is punting the season, then I'm ok with punting it.
RE: If trading your backup  
Go Terps : 10/14/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14628826 pjcas18 said:
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QB is punting the season, then I'm ok with punting it.


Trading the backup QB, especially when the starter is a rookie, is a sign that the season has become about something other than winning.

The main point of the 2019 season is not to see what we have in Daniel Jones. The point is to win games and compete for a championship.

Now I'm not saying we should be trading future assets, but we also shouldn't be giving up on the season.
I don't consider trading Eli  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 7:30 pm : link
for a solid return giving up on the season.

With Barkley (but without Tate) the offense looked stale and pedestrian at best with Eli. I do not believe the Giants can win with Eli.

Jones has provided a spark and in a short period of time shown that the offense is still not elite, but can move the ball differently. It's no longer about the plays Eli makes. He still has a lot of what he always had, but it's about the plays he doesn't or can't make.

if Jones is injured and the backup QB is forced into duty I expect the offense to be like weeks 1 and 2.

So, I would not give Eli away for the sake of removing him from the team, but if I was presented a good offer for Eli and he agreed to waive his NTC I would absolutely trade Eli and it would not be giving up on the season, it's s smart football transaction.

Different situation, but the Pats traded their backup QB a couple years ago in October. No one freaked out.

One thing to consider  
Matt in SGS : 10/14/2019 7:37 pm : link
Abby Manning is from Nashville, TN.
The Pats also kept Bledsoe in 2001  
Go Terps : 10/14/2019 7:41 pm : link
He came into the AFC Championship Game and helped get the Pats to the Super Bowl.

If we trade Eli, find ourselves in a December division race, and then lose out in part because Alex Tanney had to start at Philly on Monday night 12/9...then everyone involved in the decision to trade Eli should be fired.

The backup QB matters. I agree that Eli isn't our best option anymore, but if we need a guy to come in and manage a game or two in a pinch we can't do much better than him.
Well the trade deadline  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 8:07 pm : link
isn't for a couple weeks, so there are a couple more games.

I hope it becomes a situation where the Giants feel they have to keep Eli in case they need him to come in to a game or start one, while the Giants are competitive.

But, if not, 2 - 6 is very different than 4 - 4. 3 - 5 or 5 - 3 I could be persuaded either way.
Re worth  
Jay in Toronto : 10/14/2019 8:30 pm : link
Couldn't the pick be conditional?

E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
RE: Re worth  
Diver_Down : 10/14/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14628892 Jay in Toronto said:
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Couldn't the pick be conditional?

E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.


Now, you have opened Pandora's Box. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon, but didn't bother to mention it. Many have postulated teams based on team's need at QB and Eli's playing time. But suppose that Eli went to Mara and said that he wants another championship and the Giants store is all out of Lightning in a Bottle. Eli fits the statue in a pocket offense throwing crossing routes that Brady runs. The Pats might like Stidman, but do they like him enough to trust him in the playoffs? Cody Kessler can be sent packing. Stidman can stay as the development QB. And Eli would be the cheapest insurance policy for the remaining $6.5M that is owed at the trade deadline. The Pats have $7M in available cap space.
Don't need a weatherman ....  
short lease : 10/15/2019 12:14 am : link

to tell which way the wind blows?
RE: RE: Re worth  
Diver_Down : 10/15/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14628933 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14628892 Jay in Toronto said:


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Couldn't the pick be conditional?

E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.



Now, you have opened Pandora's Box. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon, but didn't bother to mention it. Many have postulated teams based on team's need at QB and Eli's playing time. But suppose that Eli went to Mara and said that he wants another championship and the Giants store is all out of Lightning in a Bottle. Eli fits the statue in a pocket offense throwing crossing routes that Brady runs. The Pats might like Stidhan, but do they like him enough to trust him in the playoffs? Cody Kessler can be sent packing. Stidman can stay as the development QB. And Eli would be the cheapest insurance policy for the remaining $6.5M that is owed at the trade deadline. The Pats have $7M in available cap space.


Cody Kessler was just released. Perhaps making room?
3 - 4 teams you say? Lets play!  
90.Cal : 10/17/2019 12:05 pm : link
Indy - big brother's team - no - they're QB is playing well. No reason to think Eli will definitely be better.

Denver - big brother's other team - no - why would Denver want to or better still why would Eli want to, when this team ain't competing for the playoffs. Unless he wants a place to go to showcase to someone, somewhere he still has another year or years in the tank..?

New Orleans- fathers team/hometown team - no - they have a HOF QB coming back soon. Eli can finish this year as a backup in NY instead of a backup in New Orleans, unless he wants a third ring... but the 2x SB MVP ain't just 'ring chasing' elsewhere.

Jacksonville - TC's team - maybe- Minshew or Eli? I'd say Eli and I'd say TC would say Eli too. This though IMO would depend on the health of Foles. If he comes back then what's the point?

*bonus* Eli ain't waiving his trade clause to go to the Steelers... that's Ben's team... same chance of him waiving it to go to the Chargers and we all KNOW he doesn't want to play there hehe
Chicago.  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2019 12:21 pm : link
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That said....  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2019 12:21 pm : link
I agree with Terps that if they believe we can claw back into this thing, we gotta keep him.
The Patriots/Bledsoe 2001 analogy is a good one.  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2019 12:22 pm : link
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It really is ridiculous that Eli is on the team at all  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 12:53 pm : link
If we'd done the smart thing last year and gotten Lauletta 8 or 9 starts we'd have entered the offseason knowing what we had in him. That would have allowed us to release Eli and enter with options for the QB depth chart:

If Lauletta was good: 1. Lauletta, 2. a late round rookie like Minshew

If undecided on Lauletta: Draft Jones, let him and Lauletta fight for job

If Lauletta was bad: 1. Jones, 2. any of the cheap FA options that signed for less than $2M: Glennon, Hundley, Gabbert, Bortles, Mannion

Any of those scenarios is preferable to what actually happened. Just incompetent management of the QB position.
At this point, it's beating a dead horse.  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2019 12:56 pm : link
There are logical reasons for releasing him, and logical reasons for keeping him that have been outlined ad nauseam. It's water under the bridge and won't be an issue at all. Not an issue of having him on the roster, not a dead money issue, nothing. It will be wiped clean one way or the other next season.
won't be an issue next year  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2019 12:57 pm : link
should have said.
RE: At this point, it's beating a dead horse.  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14631637 Britt in VA said:
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There are logical reasons for releasing him, and logical reasons for keeping him that have been outlined ad nauseam. It's water under the bridge and won't be an issue at all. Not an issue of having him on the roster, not a dead money issue, nothing. It will be wiped clean one way or the other next season.


It's an issue that's negatively impacting this season right now, and a window into the thought process in the current front office. There were no logical reasons for keeping him, and that's been borne out.

It still matters, it's far from a dead horse and here's why: the guys running this team brought Eli back under the pretense of competing this year. That should be the standard to which they are held...they shouldn't get to move the goal posts because they went to Jones. If and when they finish with 5 or 6 wins it should be viewed as a huge failure to reach a stated goal. None of us should have any time for any excuses regarding the difficulty of transitioning to a rookie QB.

The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.

So the standard remains: go win games. A 6 win season is unacceptable.
Yes....  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2019 1:09 pm : link
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The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.


And they made this decision before they had a viable replacement. Even when they drafted the replacement, they still didn't know what they had in him.

At that time, March, they felt Manning still gave them the best chance to win games. There is your logical reason.
If this thread is still about trading Eli  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2019 1:12 pm : link
the Bledsoe/Brady example sure is an example where a veteran QB relegated to backup (due to injury) came off the bench in the AFCCG to help his team win. Not sure how relevant it is to the Giants.

If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
RE: Yes....  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14631649 Britt in VA said:
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The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.


And they made this decision before they had a viable replacement. Even when they drafted the replacement, they still didn't know what they had in him.

At that time, March, they felt Manning still gave them the best chance to win games. There is your logical reason.


That tells you two things:

1. They mishandled the Lauletta situation...he should have been named starting QB after the bye week in 2018, when we were 1-7. This isn't hindsight...many of us said it at the time.

2. They completely misevaluated Eli.

Multiple layers of mistakes that led to the ridiculous way it was eventually handled. Incompetence.
RE: If this thread is still about trading Eli  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14631653 pjcas18 said:
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the Bledsoe/Brady example sure is an example where a veteran QB relegated to backup (due to injury) came off the bench in the AFCCG to help his team win. Not sure how relevant it is to the Giants.

If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.


No one is offering anything of value for Eli.
At this point...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2019 1:51 pm : link
you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.

RE: RE: If this thread is still about trading Eli  
ron mexico : 10/17/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14631691 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14631653 pjcas18 said:


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the Bledsoe/Brady example sure is an example where a veteran QB relegated to backup (due to injury) came off the bench in the AFCCG to help his team win. Not sure how relevant it is to the Giants.

If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.



No one is offering anything of value for Eli.


If a trade is something Eli wants, cap relief is enough comp to the Giants

ron  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 2:38 pm : link
At this point, what do you do with the cap relief? He's coming off the books after this year anyway so it's not like it would add to our salary cap next year.

The other thing I'd have a problem with is that trading him is basically an admission from the front office that they're punting the season, and they'll have "Jones's development" to point to as an excuse if/when they finish 6-10.

I'm hoping the media and fan base don't fall for it. If we have a poor finish Shumur and Gettleman should be taken to task for it.
Wouldnít the savings roll over if not used?  
ron mexico : 10/17/2019 3:43 pm : link
An extra 6 mil or so isnít anything to sneeze at.

I disagree on the message it sends, I donít think it will change anything in the locker room at least. The media will do what it does though.
RE: ron  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/17/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14631770 Go Terps said:
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At this point, what do you do with the cap relief? He's coming off the books after this year anyway so it's not like it would add to our salary cap next year.

Come on Terps, you're more knowledgable than that - yes, it absolutely would add to next year's cap space. Unused cap room rolls over.
RE: RE: ron  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14631837 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14631770 Go Terps said:


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At this point, what do you do with the cap relief? He's coming off the books after this year anyway so it's not like it would add to our salary cap next year.


Come on Terps, you're more knowledgable than that - yes, it absolutely would add to next year's cap space. Unused cap room rolls over.


I'm actually not sure about that. Does it actually get *added* to the bottom line next year when Eli is coming off the books after this season? I could be wrong, and I'm honestly asking because I don't know exactly how it works in a situation like this.
Iím pretty sure it would roll over  
ron mexico : 10/17/2019 4:41 pm : link
Like any other unused cap.
It rolls over.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2019 4:42 pm : link
All unused cap space rolls over.
Ok thanks  
Go Terps : 10/17/2019 4:49 pm : link
I was confused by Eli coming off the books anyway.
RE: At this point...  
aimrocky : 10/17/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14631703 bw in dc said:
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.


Not true... I value the behind the scenes work Eli is passing onto Jones over a late round pick.
RE: At this point...  
Giantology : 10/17/2019 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14631703 bw in dc said:
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.


And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
RE: RE: At this point...  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14631904 Giantology said:
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In comment 14631703 bw in dc said:


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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.




And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?


Then you leak it that he blocked the trade...
I only trade Eli if he comes to us.  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2019 8:02 pm : link
If he wants it and has an offer on the table we will make it work. Maraís and Tisch are class.
RE: RE: At this point...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14631859 aimrocky said:
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In comment 14631703 bw in dc said:


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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.




Not true... I value the behind the scenes work Eli is passing onto Jones over a late round pick.


I don't because I don't know how you even quantify that.

It sounds good on paper and in theory, but does it really pay a dividend? To me, the bigger dividend is simply reps and playing. And listening to the person who is an expert in teaching - the coach.
RE: RE: At this point...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14631904 Giantology said:
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In comment 14631703 bw in dc said:


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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.




And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?


If he really wants to play, he takes the opportunity.

If he just wants to collect the salary, he wears the earphones, chews sunflower seeds, looks at some video on the iPads, and acts happy if Jones/Giants do well...
RE: RE: At this point...  
ron mexico : 10/18/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14631904 Giantology said:
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In comment 14631703 bw in dc said:


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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...

In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.




And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?


If he doesnít want to be traded you donít trade him.

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