as mentioned a few times, I have a friend in the industry (not associated with any 1 team) and every once in a while, he passes along some good info.
With that said, he told me to hang on to my hat regarding the Eli rumor mill and him being traded. These rumors are already picking up big time after Sunday's games as numerous teams are now rumored to be looking for a QB prior to the trade deadline. He expects Eli will be rumored or linked to 3-4 teams.
Which is why it's called a no trade clause. He cannot be traded without his consent.
I also believe being the fierce competitor he is, the fact that Brady, Brees, Big Ben, until he got hurt, and Rivers, still being major players on their franchises at similar and older ages, has Eli believing he can play several more years.
He gets the chance to play again, I think he takes it, and he should.
Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.
And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?
Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.
And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?
He can only be traded before the deadline.
I’m not sure what you mean here
NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.
Nope. I really don't see it.
I think he's back this week.
Tennessee and Chicago make the most sense as he could play this year and if the team played well and Eli played well they could extend him for a year.
Believe nothing, speculate as you please.
They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.
My guess here is that there will be an opportunity that includes 2 more years as well. One of the teams drafting QBs this year will (there will be 5 of them) will want to test out the KC model - once again :)
And what's Eli worth? Flacco netted a 4th rounder, so that might be the range, and if they can get a couple teams in the mix, maybe a 3rd.
But like JonC said, unless it's the right fit for Eli with a chance at a playoff run, I don't see him uprooting his life.
I also believe being the fierce competitor he is, the fact that Brady, Brees, Big Ben, until he got hurt, and Rivers, still being major players on their franchises at similar and older ages, has Eli believing he can play several more years.
He gets the chance to play again, I think he takes it, and he should.
Would love for Eli to get a chance to play for a winner! But I don't think he can sustain a high level of play unless everything around him is firing on all cylinders. And as for Eli being traded, I'll believe it when I see it.
Andy Dalton?
And what's Eli worth? Flacco netted a 4th rounder, so that might be the range, and if they can get a couple teams in the mix, maybe a 3rd.
But like JonC said, unless it's the right fit for Eli with a chance at a playoff run, I don't see him uprooting his life.
IMO, Jenkins is as good as gone. It's only a matter of time. We should be able to secure a 3rd Rounder at BEST, but more likely a 4th or 5th.
But
If,so am for doing what’s best for. The team. If he is willing to waive his no trade clause then get a pick for him. Possibly a 2nd
Jax almost has to go with Minshew. Same with Chicago and Mitch. Indy New Orleans and Minnesota are not options.
The Titans however, just benched Mariota for Tannehill. Talk about QB hell. Titans seems to be built around power OL, run game and defense. Pretty perfect for Eli at this stage. Probably worth a shot for them at 2-4.
Pittsburgh coming off a win and with Rudolph out might be a log shot play if they were confident Eli is hanging them up at the end of the season with Ben still there, otherwise awkward for many reasons.
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Jags - not a playoff team
They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.
I think Eli will only go to a likely playoff team. Tenn and Jags are 2-4. Not really sure they can beat out Houston. It is early and they could turn it around - both with good Ds.
(Boy Winston and Mariota really stinking it up in contract years.)
He's not moving.
If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
Tennessee has the defense and OL to be decent and TB has a great core of WR's, yet both teams are .500 at best.
He's not moving.
If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
^This. If he wants to play after this year, he's better at his age not playing at all this season. That will give his body plenty of time to recuperate. Tennessee makes the most sense, but I'd be surprised if he waived his no trade clause to go there when they are 2-4. He'd also have to learn a new offense in the middle of the season, which is not a recipe for success.
I'd trade Jenkins for a #2 or #3, but don't see anyone doing that.
He's not moving.
If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
$$ is not the motivating factor for top of the line athletes. They have their money. Rings are what gets these guys juices flowing. I think if Eli got a chance with Pittsburgh, he'd be pretty tempted to go.
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
So, it doesn't have to be a team that is looking only at this season.
I don't think the return will be all that high. Biggest benefit will be the cap relief.
IF Giants can get a 2 or 3 for Jenkins, race to get it done. That's a mighty big IF for a declining, expensive player. Again, a big benefit will be cap relief.
however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.
For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.
Nope. I really don't see it.
Tennessee is need of a QB.
Indy has no viable second option if Brisset goes down
NE- laugh if you want but all they have is Brady.
Chicago possibility
Pittsburgh is a definite possibility
Keep in mind some of these teams may be looking for a backup who could keep their season going if needed. QB's falling all over the place.
I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.
I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.
But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.
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OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?
NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.
Nope. I really don't see it.
Tennessee is need of a QB.
Indy has no viable second option if Brisset goes down
NE- laugh if you want but all they have is Brady.
Chicago possibility
Pittsburgh is a definite possibility
Keep in mind some of these teams may be looking for a backup who could keep their season going if needed. QB's falling all over the place.
To be clear I am not saying ELI would agree, just that there are teams out there that may be interested.
The Steelers make the most sense, they are in win now mode and they have a very good team minus the QB. Interestingly enough the Steelers have a bye week next week. Were they to acquire Eli in the next few days he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the playbook.
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Jags - not a playoff team
They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.
I agree, for some strange reason I don't believe Jax thinks Minshew is the answer (possible because I don't so, maybe its a self fulfilling prophecy). I think
- Pittsburgh,
- Jax,
- Tennessee,
- Denver
could all be in play. If I was also Tampa Bay I'd be interested, because I think Winston stinks, but I don't think they are looking (yet).
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Yes, you are right, I did not say he would be traded, just his name will and it appears already has come up more.
What he is hearing is that a few more teams are becoming desperate enough where they are now openly considering Eli in a trade, which they were not even a few weeks ago.
Whether a trade happens or not, I do not know nor does my friend as he does not have that info.
Bottom line, it seems like more teams are looking at him/inquiring about him, which will be interesting to say the least, going forward.
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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.
I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.
I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.
But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.
That's fine, next time I'll actually provide absolutes.
Sure, like I said, it's an educated guess.
Everyone needs to RELAX.
The Steelers make the most sense, they are in win now mode and they have a very good team minus the QB. Interestingly enough the Steelers have a bye week next week. Were they to acquire Eli in the next few days he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the playbook.
I was a Teddy guy since his Vikings days, but he isn't very good. They have been winning on the back of their defense and run game. Brees is coming back so its moot. The one team that makes sense at all is the Steelers and that is entirely how they feel about Rudolph, but he hasn't impressed anyone. I thought a trade was extremely unlikely but the afc north sucks and the steelers have the line to protect him.
Maaaaybe the Steelers could use him but I think the OVERWHELMING odds are that Eli finishes the season as the #2 QB, picks up his paycheck then hangs em up at the end of the year.
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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.
I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.
I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.
But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.
That's fine, next time I'll actually provide absolutes.
You addressed me. My comment wasn't even about your post.
maybe you should RELAX
He's already starting to show warts and even in the midst of the Mania, the team is 2-4.
Titans with Mariota and Tannehill aren’t doing shit. They proved it getting shut out yesterday.
Eli can run that New England / Vrabel offense.
It would be a perfect situation for Eli.
Plus, you know how many karaoke bars there are in Nashville? That alone will get Eli to waive the NTC
Same
Jax almost has to go with Minshew. Same with Chicago and Mitch. Indy New Orleans and Minnesota are not options.
The Titans however, just benched Mariota for Tannehill. Talk about QB hell. Titans seems to be built around power OL, run game and defense. Pretty perfect for Eli at this stage. Probably worth a shot for them at 2-4.
Pittsburgh coming off a win and with Rudolph out might be a log shot play if they were confident Eli is hanging them up at the end of the season with Ben still there, otherwise awkward for many reasons.
Abby is from Memphis and her family is there so as far as the wife is concerned, maybe she wouldn’t mind Tennessee. Plus Vols ties to Peyton. Never know how things turn out
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Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.
Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.
And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?
He can only be traded before the deadline.
I’m not sure what you mean here
Sorry - I mean traded right at the deadline.
however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.
For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
Of course we don’t. This is a football board and most every opinion here is based on speculation formed from afar. However, isn’t that the pt of BBI?
this to me sounds like the latter.
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To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.
He's not moving.
If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
Couldn't tell if you were serious with the relax.
It makes me laugh when people get wound up and take things waaay too literally. None of us have seen the medical charts, so we can't say don't rush Barkley back. We aren't professional evaluators, so don't disagree with Sy. We don't have barbecue with Eli, so don't offer an opinion on what might be going through his head/good for his career. It's a frigging message board. People often write things meant to be generic, not to be taken as an absolute. The Giants, Eli, anyone, aren't making decisions based on what is written here.
This probably....
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Giants would probably jump for joy to get $7.3 million of cap savings so a 5th or a 6th is a lot more likely a return than a 2nd or 3rd.
However, the way things are going for the Giants, Jones is certain to get injured the week after we trade Eli.
Couldn't tell if you were serious with the relax.
It makes me laugh when people get wound up and take things waaay too literally. None of us have seen the medical charts, so we can't say don't rush Barkley back. We aren't professional evaluators, so don't disagree with Sy. We don't have barbecue with Eli, so don't offer an opinion on what might be going through his head/good for his career. It's a frigging message board. People often write things meant to be generic, not to be taken as an absolute. The Giants, Eli, anyone, aren't making decisions based on what is written here.
Nah, all good. There's also more legit info posted here than people realize at times. But, it's getting harder to be plain about it as forum is monitoring and many aren't bothering anymore.
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
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I know there is a ton of brain power and knowledge on this site.
however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.
For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
Of course we don’t. This is a football board and most every opinion here is based on speculation formed from afar. However, isn’t that the pt of BBI?
Not so sure. It seems like many a sports fan, and here included, think they are "informed" fans or whatever and think Bill Belichick looks for ideas on next weeks game on BBI and is like "hmmm I wonder what drunk_giants_fan56 has to say."
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
The Steelers have a bye week next week and are still in win now mode. They seem to be the ideal fit for Eli as he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the offense which is plenty of time for Eli.
They will give Tannehill a shot to prove that he deserves to be the starter next year. More than likely they will target a QB in next years draft.
Why doesn't Pittsburgh make sense? They have a great defense, are also a run-oriented offense, they have a bye week next week, and the Rooney's are close with the Mara's.
What a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting that Eli can still be a good starting QB in the NFL. What this thread is clearly about is that injuries have forced teams to evaluate their QB position. Are you suggesting that Devlin Hodges, Gardner Minshew, Chase Daniel, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, etc are better choices for teams with playoff aspirations?
The Steelers traded their 2020 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. They are trying to win now and Devlin Hodges is not the QB to get them there. Eli doesn't have to be 2011 Eli to improve their QB situation.
I used to think that way until I had kids. Now I completely understand not wanting to go through another move for just a few months. Add in the fact that he has to learn a new playbook, find temporary housing, etc.
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They have a run-oriented offense and it really is the only situation in the league where a team might have playoff aspirations and Eli represents an upgrade.
Why doesn't Pittsburgh make sense? They have a great defense, are also a run-oriented offense, they have a bye week next week, and the Rooney's are close with the Mara's.
Good point, I'll walk it back a little and add them. I do buy the party line that they like Mason Rudolph. Who really knows how they actually see him though.
Eli may very well waive his NTC to go to a team like the Titans even if they are not a playoff team just to play. The question is why would the Titans bring him in? Is he markedly better than Tannehill at this point? What do you do with Mariota now that you have essentially said he is not your guy?
I think the bigger problem with trading Eli is not does he want to still play somewhere else but what team has a situation that he would fit?
He's a perfect band aid for a team missing it's starter for this year that still has playoff aspirations. Who is that? New Orleans? No way they move of Bridgewater since he has won every game he has started. Jacksonville? You just paid Foles a bunch of money. Is this team a contender with Eli this year? I tend to doubt it but they may feel differently. That is the only logical destination I can see for him this year.
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Sucks that many here can't see it.
What a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting that Eli can still be a good starting QB in the NFL. What this thread is clearly about is that injuries have forced teams to evaluate their QB position. Are you suggesting that Devlin Hodges, Gardner Minshew, Chase Daniel, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, etc are better choices for teams with playoff aspirations?
The Steelers traded their 2020 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. They are trying to win now and Devlin Hodges is not the QB to get them there. Eli doesn't have to be 2011 Eli to improve their QB situation.
This Junior guy craps on Eli on every thread. I get the feeling he is like 15 yrs old and doesn't remember the good that Eli has done. Its like a broken record with him.
LOL WTF? Why do you care? Geezus let it go already dude.
He's already starting to show warts and even in the midst of the Mania, the team is 2-4.
Or Hoyingmania
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Hm, I thought Eli was a statue and couldn’t make plays like this anymore. Thanks for posting it
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
Big, I m a Giants fan. I m not a Kapernick (sp) fan, but if Jones was a bust and they signed him, I d root for the team.
But I don’t get your analogy, Kapernick is a known commodity, and not very good, plus he brings controversy. Jones is a rookie high draft pick with potential.
Also in an earlier text you alluded to Jones and the interceptions implying they would not have happened with Eli.
You really should check out Eli s place in all time interceptions by quarterbacks before you throw that out there. Again entitled to your opinion, but if you lose objectivity people won’t take your pts seriously.
If I had to guess I would say that he will stay with the Giants this season and explore FA next year and if no good offers come in he just retires. Options are fairly limited right now and why not just wait it out and make the best choice instead.
If I had to guess I would say that he will stay with the Giants this season and explore FA next year and if no good offers come in he just retires. Options are fairly limited right now and why not just wait it out and make the best choice instead.
A trade is much better from a cap perspective. If he is released, he still gets paid. If he is traded, the remainder of his salary comes off the books.
for a moment and take whatever you can get for him .
At this point I would add Tate Ellison Soldier Jenkins
and Ogletree to the list accumulate picks and continue
to build . Draft capitol to move up as well .
We will certainly add a few more players in free agency .
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
Big, I m a Giants fan. I m not a Kapernick (sp) fan, but if Jones was a bust and they signed him, I d root for the team.
But I don’t get your analogy, Kapernick is a known commodity, and not very good, plus he brings controversy. Jones is a rookie high draft pick with potential.
Also in an earlier text you alluded to Jones and the interceptions implying they would not have happened with Eli.
You really should check out Eli s place in all time interceptions by quarterbacks before you throw that out there. Again entitled to your opinion, but if you lose objectivity people won’t take your pts seriously.
I think you missed the point. What I am saying is when do you draw the line on being a Giants fan first ? I don't know about you but, it would be really hard to me cheer for a colin kaepernick if he became a Giants qb. Or Cheer for the Giants at that point.
Also Dj and the ints. Sure Eli threw some bad passes in his day but also threw a lot of TDs too. He was a much better prospect as a high draft pick. He also played against teams like #1 D Pittsburgh in his rookie year and did not look like a rookie at all. People can say djs top guys are out. I mean was fumble-prone Tiki that good that year ? I remember his best years being later ones. And Amani toomer ? was he a 20 million dollar Wide Receiver? Engram has been inconsistent anyway. And I remember Eli doing pretty damn good with a backup TE in an SB.
He went 4-18 for 27 yards and 2 Int before he was benched.
That was with Barber, Shockey and Toomer all playing.
He went 4-18 for 27 yards and 2 Int before he was benched.
That was with Barber, Shockey and Toomer all playing.
Good grief.
How are they the number 1 Defense? In any case, he played against a very good Stealers D and team and they only lost by a field goal giving like 10 points on the line. He went 16 of 23 with 2 TD 1 Int and 104 rating. The lost by 3; no moral victories despite losing by 3 touchdowns or 18 ; excuses that the game was much closer etc.
Can you imagine what this board would have been like if Jones had done that against either the Vikes or Pats? I just get the distinct feeling that the only way Jones puts up those numbers is against teams like the Cards next week. But hey when you won 3 games 2 years ago anything to get excited about.
But you made the comparison of Eli V Jones.
Here are Eli's stats from his first game to your Steelers reference:
Atl 17-37 162 yrds 1 TD 2 Int
Phi 6-21 148 yrds 2 Int
Wash 12-25 113 yrds
Balt 4-18 27 yrds 2 Int
Pretty sure that DJ stacks up pretty well compared to the start of Eli's career thus far.
It makes it more complicated, but it is possible. The Tannehill trade to the Titans is the most recent. Miami was looking to add picks and move on from Tannehill. He still had a chuck of change due to him ($7M). Miami ended up giving Tannehill $5M in the form of signing bonus while Tenn. only had to pay $2M. In return, Miami received a 4th and a 7th from Tenn while Tenn will get a 6th back.
We're 1 game out. Go fucking win games.
That would surprise me. They are very high on Brissett. He’s just a better football player than Eli right now. His mobility is ideal for what they are trying to accomplish.
I think Zeke is right. Pittsburgh makes the most sense in this hypothetical. They think they are still in the AFCN hunt, which they are, and Mason’s injury scares them. Guy got knocked out cold last week. That was tough to watch...
We're 1 game out. Go fucking win games.
That would remove excuses though. This post is so true. The Giants are 1GB with a home game against Dallas & 2 games with Philly remaining. Why punt the season?
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Go out and go 3-1 in this stretch and get to 5-5. Let’s hold the coaching staff accountable. The entire division has issues, take advantage and get on a roll. If not, let’s kind a staff that can do it.
Trading the backup QB, especially when the starter is a rookie, is a sign that the season has become about something other than winning.
The main point of the 2019 season is not to see what we have in Daniel Jones. The point is to win games and compete for a championship.
Now I'm not saying we should be trading future assets, but we also shouldn't be giving up on the season.
With Barkley (but without Tate) the offense looked stale and pedestrian at best with Eli. I do not believe the Giants can win with Eli.
Jones has provided a spark and in a short period of time shown that the offense is still not elite, but can move the ball differently. It's no longer about the plays Eli makes. He still has a lot of what he always had, but it's about the plays he doesn't or can't make.
if Jones is injured and the backup QB is forced into duty I expect the offense to be like weeks 1 and 2.
So, I would not give Eli away for the sake of removing him from the team, but if I was presented a good offer for Eli and he agreed to waive his NTC I would absolutely trade Eli and it would not be giving up on the season, it's s smart football transaction.
Different situation, but the Pats traded their backup QB a couple years ago in October. No one freaked out.
If we trade Eli, find ourselves in a December division race, and then lose out in part because Alex Tanney had to start at Philly on Monday night 12/9...then everyone involved in the decision to trade Eli should be fired.
The backup QB matters. I agree that Eli isn't our best option anymore, but if we need a guy to come in and manage a game or two in a pinch we can't do much better than him.
I hope it becomes a situation where the Giants feel they have to keep Eli in case they need him to come in to a game or start one, while the Giants are competitive.
But, if not, 2 - 6 is very different than 4 - 4. 3 - 5 or 5 - 3 I could be persuaded either way.
E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
Now, you have opened Pandora's Box. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon, but didn't bother to mention it. Many have postulated teams based on team's need at QB and Eli's playing time. But suppose that Eli went to Mara and said that he wants another championship and the Giants store is all out of Lightning in a Bottle. Eli fits the statue in a pocket offense throwing crossing routes that Brady runs. The Pats might like Stidman, but do they like him enough to trust him in the playoffs? Cody Kessler can be sent packing. Stidman can stay as the development QB. And Eli would be the cheapest insurance policy for the remaining $6.5M that is owed at the trade deadline. The Pats have $7M in available cap space.
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Couldn't the pick be conditional?
E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
Now, you have opened Pandora's Box. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon, but didn't bother to mention it. Many have postulated teams based on team's need at QB and Eli's playing time. But suppose that Eli went to Mara and said that he wants another championship and the Giants store is all out of Lightning in a Bottle. Eli fits the statue in a pocket offense throwing crossing routes that Brady runs. The Pats might like Stidhan, but do they like him enough to trust him in the playoffs? Cody Kessler can be sent packing. Stidman can stay as the development QB. And Eli would be the cheapest insurance policy for the remaining $6.5M that is owed at the trade deadline. The Pats have $7M in available cap space.
Cody Kessler was just released. Perhaps making room?
Denver - big brother's other team - no - why would Denver want to or better still why would Eli want to, when this team ain't competing for the playoffs. Unless he wants a place to go to showcase to someone, somewhere he still has another year or years in the tank..?
New Orleans- fathers team/hometown team - no - they have a HOF QB coming back soon. Eli can finish this year as a backup in NY instead of a backup in New Orleans, unless he wants a third ring... but the 2x SB MVP ain't just 'ring chasing' elsewhere.
Jacksonville - TC's team - maybe- Minshew or Eli? I'd say Eli and I'd say TC would say Eli too. This though IMO would depend on the health of Foles. If he comes back then what's the point?
*bonus* Eli ain't waiving his trade clause to go to the Steelers... that's Ben's team... same chance of him waiving it to go to the Chargers and we all KNOW he doesn't want to play there hehe
If Lauletta was good: 1. Lauletta, 2. a late round rookie like Minshew
If undecided on Lauletta: Draft Jones, let him and Lauletta fight for job
If Lauletta was bad: 1. Jones, 2. any of the cheap FA options that signed for less than $2M: Glennon, Hundley, Gabbert, Bortles, Mannion
Any of those scenarios is preferable to what actually happened. Just incompetent management of the QB position.
It's an issue that's negatively impacting this season right now, and a window into the thought process in the current front office. There were no logical reasons for keeping him, and that's been borne out.
It still matters, it's far from a dead horse and here's why: the guys running this team brought Eli back under the pretense of competing this year. That should be the standard to which they are held...they shouldn't get to move the goal posts because they went to Jones. If and when they finish with 5 or 6 wins it should be viewed as a huge failure to reach a stated goal. None of us should have any time for any excuses regarding the difficulty of transitioning to a rookie QB.
The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.
So the standard remains: go win games. A 6 win season is unacceptable.
And they made this decision before they had a viable replacement. Even when they drafted the replacement, they still didn't know what they had in him.
At that time, March, they felt Manning still gave them the best chance to win games. There is your logical reason.
If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
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The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.
And they made this decision before they had a viable replacement. Even when they drafted the replacement, they still didn't know what they had in him.
At that time, March, they felt Manning still gave them the best chance to win games. There is your logical reason.
That tells you two things:
1. They mishandled the Lauletta situation...he should have been named starting QB after the bye week in 2018, when we were 1-7. This isn't hindsight...many of us said it at the time.
2. They completely misevaluated Eli.
Multiple layers of mistakes that led to the ridiculous way it was eventually handled. Incompetence.
If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
No one is offering anything of value for Eli.
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
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the Bledsoe/Brady example sure is an example where a veteran QB relegated to backup (due to injury) came off the bench in the AFCCG to help his team win. Not sure how relevant it is to the Giants.
If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
No one is offering anything of value for Eli.
If a trade is something Eli wants, cap relief is enough comp to the Giants
The other thing I'd have a problem with is that trading him is basically an admission from the front office that they're punting the season, and they'll have "Jones's development" to point to as an excuse if/when they finish 6-10.
I'm hoping the media and fan base don't fall for it. If we have a poor finish Shumur and Gettleman should be taken to task for it.
I disagree on the message it sends, I don’t think it will change anything in the locker room at least. The media will do what it does though.
Come on Terps, you're more knowledgable than that - yes, it absolutely would add to next year's cap space. Unused cap room rolls over.
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At this point, what do you do with the cap relief? He's coming off the books after this year anyway so it's not like it would add to our salary cap next year.
Come on Terps, you're more knowledgable than that - yes, it absolutely would add to next year's cap space. Unused cap room rolls over.
I'm actually not sure about that. Does it actually get *added* to the bottom line next year when Eli is coming off the books after this season? I could be wrong, and I'm honestly asking because I don't know exactly how it works in a situation like this.
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
Not true... I value the behind the scenes work Eli is passing onto Jones over a late round pick.
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
Then you leak it that he blocked the trade...
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
Not true... I value the behind the scenes work Eli is passing onto Jones over a late round pick.
I don't because I don't know how you even quantify that.
It sounds good on paper and in theory, but does it really pay a dividend? To me, the bigger dividend is simply reps and playing. And listening to the person who is an expert in teaching - the coach.
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
If he really wants to play, he takes the opportunity.
If he just wants to collect the salary, he wears the earphones, chews sunflower seeds, looks at some video on the iPads, and acts happy if Jones/Giants do well...
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
If he doesn’t want to be traded you don’t trade him.