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1st and 10 : 10/14/2019 6:50 am
as mentioned a few times, I have a friend in the industry (not associated with any 1 team) and every once in a while, he passes along some good info.

With that said, he told me to hang on to my hat regarding the Eli rumor mill and him being traded. These rumors are already picking up big time after Sunday's games as numerous teams are now rumored to be looking for a QB prior to the trade deadline. He expects Eli will be rumored or linked to 3-4 teams.
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Itís really up to Eli  
Sean : 10/14/2019 6:52 am : link
If he wants to play, he should get the opportunity somewhere. Iíd prefer him to retire a Giant, but it might not happen.
RE: Itís really up to Eli  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/14/2019 7:11 am : link
In comment 14627881 Sean said:
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If he wants to play, he should get the opportunity somewhere. Iíd prefer him to retire a Giant, but it might not happen.


Which is why it's called a no trade clause. He cannot be traded without his consent.
Eli has repeatedly stated he believes he  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 7:16 am : link
Can still play at a high level.

I also believe being the fierce competitor he is, the fact that Brady, Brees, Big Ben, until he got hurt, and Rivers, still being major players on their franchises at similar and older ages, has Eli believing he can play several more years.

He gets the chance to play again, I think he takes it, and he should.

It makes the tanney re-signing  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 7:48 am : link
Make sense
Iíd be curious to see how Eli performs  
exiled : 10/14/2019 7:54 am : link
in a better overall offense. Not curious enough to want him traded, but Iíd wish him well if it happened. Actually, who am I kidding, Iíd be rooting like hell for him to kick ass.
It is starting to make a little more sense  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2019 7:55 am : link
Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.

Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.

And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?
I'd leave in a minute  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 7:57 am : link
These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
RE: It is starting to make a little more sense  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14627908 Dnew15 said:
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Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.

Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.

And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?


He can only be traded before the deadline.

Iím not sure what you mean here
I thought there was no way  
section125 : 10/14/2019 8:03 am : link
OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?

NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.

Nope. I really don't see it.
Chicago?  
ron mexico : 10/14/2019 8:05 am : link
How long is Mitch out for?
RE: Chicago?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14627917 ron mexico said:
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How long is Mitch out for?


I think he's back this week.
His choice  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2019 8:06 am : link
If a team wants him and Eli wants to go let him and make it fairly easy to do so.

Tennessee and Chicago make the most sense as he could play this year and if the team played well and Eli played well they could extend him for a year.
Hope your friend is right  
BBelle21 : 10/14/2019 8:07 am : link
Wanted Eli to retire as a Giant but itís clear Gettleman and Shurmur never committed to him. Or couldnít. Hopefully the team that trades for him can protect him but also have a scheme that works to his strengths. Unlike here. In that great SI profile someone posted a few days ago, I wondered why Peyton was conspicuously silent. No quotes from him. Can imagine Peyton hating this ďend of EliĒ narrative and seeing Eli on the sideline; especially if he knows Eli can still play at a high level.
If I were to make an educated guess  
JonC : 10/14/2019 8:08 am : link
He's not leaving his family here and going somewhere else for a mid-season shitshow.
What is your friend saying because what you said is nothing new?  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 8:13 am : link
You didn't say Eli will be traded. You just said his name will be thrown around in rumors. No disrespect because I appreciate any info but I could have said his name will be involved in trade rumors this time of year.
Rumors are rumors.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/14/2019 8:24 am : link
Need I remind people of how the world is today with synapse, er, social media? Bots? You name it.

Believe nothing, speculate as you please.
In the AFC..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2019 8:31 am : link
South anything is possible:

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Jags - not a playoff team


They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.
RE: If I were to make an educated guess  
stoneman : 10/14/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14627922 JonC said:
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He's not leaving his family here and going somewhere else for a mid-season shitshow.



My guess here is that there will be an opportunity that includes 2 more years as well. One of the teams drafting QBs this year will (there will be 5 of them) will want to test out the KC model - once again :)
I think the Giants are going to push for a trade  
Matt in SGS : 10/14/2019 8:34 am : link
again, the Glazer report last week seemed to be Gettleman putting out a "for sale" sign on the lawn. Based on last year, we know that Gettleman will trade off parts for picks. I would think that he is going to see if anyone bites on Jenkins as well. Even though the Giants are just a game back, the focus has to remain on building to compete in 2020. If the NFC East comes back to the pack and give the Giants a shot late, that's a bonus.

And what's Eli worth? Flacco netted a 4th rounder, so that might be the range, and if they can get a couple teams in the mix, maybe a 3rd.

But like JonC said, unless it's the right fit for Eli with a chance at a playoff run, I don't see him uprooting his life.
RE: Eli has repeatedly stated he believes he  
M.S. : 10/14/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14627886 joeinpa said:
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Can still play at a high level.

I also believe being the fierce competitor he is, the fact that Brady, Brees, Big Ben, until he got hurt, and Rivers, still being major players on their franchises at similar and older ages, has Eli believing he can play several more years.

He gets the chance to play again, I think he takes it, and he should.

Would love for Eli to get a chance to play for a winner! But I don't think he can sustain a high level of play unless everything around him is firing on all cylinders. And as for Eli being traded, I'll believe it when I see it.
Are there other QBs with expiring contracts? Throw their names in a  
Ivan15 : 10/14/2019 8:35 am : link
hat as well.

Andy Dalton?
RE: I think the Giants are going to push for a trade  
M.S. : 10/14/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14627950 Matt in SGS said:
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again, the Glazer report last week seemed to be Gettleman putting out a "for sale" sign on the lawn. Based on last year, we know that Gettleman will trade off parts for picks. I would think that he is going to see if anyone bites on Jenkins as well. Even though the Giants are just a game back, the focus has to remain on building to compete in 2020. If the NFC East comes back to the pack and give the Giants a shot late, that's a bonus.

And what's Eli worth? Flacco netted a 4th rounder, so that might be the range, and if they can get a couple teams in the mix, maybe a 3rd.

But like JonC said, unless it's the right fit for Eli with a chance at a playoff run, I don't see him uprooting his life.

IMO, Jenkins is as good as gone. It's only a matter of time. We should be able to secure a 3rd Rounder at BEST, but more likely a 4th or 5th.
I love Eli  
superspynyg : 10/14/2019 8:40 am : link
He s a hall of Famer in my book

But
If,so am for doing whatís best for. The team. If he is willing to waive his no trade clause then get a pick for him. Possibly a 2nd
I think they move Jenkins  
JonC : 10/14/2019 8:49 am : link
if they can get a #2 or #3.
I see only one team that makes sense  
Chris684 : 10/14/2019 8:49 am : link
and thatís Tennessee.

Jax almost has to go with Minshew. Same with Chicago and Mitch. Indy New Orleans and Minnesota are not options.

The Titans however, just benched Mariota for Tannehill. Talk about QB hell. Titans seems to be built around power OL, run game and defense. Pretty perfect for Eli at this stage. Probably worth a shot for them at 2-4.

Pittsburgh coming off a win and with Rudolph out might be a log shot play if they were confident Eli is hanging them up at the end of the season with Ben still there, otherwise awkward for many reasons.

RE: In the AFC..  
section125 : 10/14/2019 8:50 am : link
In comment 14627946 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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South anything is possible:



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Jags - not a playoff team



They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.


I think Eli will only go to a likely playoff team. Tenn and Jags are 2-4. Not really sure they can beat out Houston. It is early and they could turn it around - both with good Ds.

(Boy Winston and Mariota really stinking it up in contract years.)
Jenkins is more of a possibility  
Chris684 : 10/14/2019 8:52 am : link
If Beal returns and shows he can play much sooner than later in my opinion.
Nobody is trading for Eli  
Rflairr : 10/14/2019 8:53 am : link
.
Eli gets paid 20M+  
WideRight : 10/14/2019 8:54 am : link
To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
It is funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2019 8:56 am : link
after watching Arizona cut bait with Rosen, you have to wonder if not cutting bait hamstrings some of these teams:

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(Boy Winston and Mariota really stinking it up in contract years.)


Tennessee has the defense and OL to be decent and TB has a great core of WR's, yet both teams are .500 at best.
No team will trade for Eli on a short-term basis  
Simms11 : 10/14/2019 8:56 am : link
and I donít think Teams are Looking at Eli as a long-term starter. Eli will not want to be a back up again on another team. I personally think Eli will retire a Giant this year.
RE: Eli gets paid 20M+  
AcidTest : 10/14/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14627980 WideRight said:
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To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.


^This. If he wants to play after this year, he's better at his age not playing at all this season. That will give his body plenty of time to recuperate. Tennessee makes the most sense, but I'd be surprised if he waived his no trade clause to go there when they are 2-4. He'd also have to learn a new offense in the middle of the season, which is not a recipe for success.

I'd trade Jenkins for a #2 or #3, but don't see anyone doing that.
RE: Eli gets paid 20M+  
section125 : 10/14/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14627980 WideRight said:
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To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.

He's not moving.

If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.


$$ is not the motivating factor for top of the line athletes. They have their money. Rings are what gets these guys juices flowing. I think if Eli got a chance with Pittsburgh, he'd be pretty tempted to go.
I keep saying....that is only logical reason Tanney is on roster  
George from PA : 10/14/2019 9:02 am : link
It would make zero sense to keep 2 vets in QB room
RE: I'd leave in a minute  
joeinpa : 10/14/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14627911 Big_N said:
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).


Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
He could go to Tennessee  
ZoneXDOA : 10/14/2019 9:05 am : link
They should not be as bad as they are right now
I would guess  
fkap : 10/14/2019 9:08 am : link
Eli is thinking multiple years, even though his contract is up this year. A new contract with the new team might be part of the deal.

So, it doesn't have to be a team that is looking only at this season.

I don't think the return will be all that high. Biggest benefit will be the cap relief.

IF Giants can get a 2 or 3 for Jenkins, race to get it done. That's a mighty big IF for a declining, expensive player. Again, a big benefit will be cap relief.
Just going to throw this out there  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:09 am : link
I know there is a ton of brain power and knowledge on this site.

however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.

For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
I do agree with Matt  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:14 am : link
DG will try and move him, but I suspect Eli won't go right now. If he can make the decisions for himself as a UFA next Winter without the Giants in the loop, perhaps he and the wife decide there's a better place for them to live the next phase of their lives. My two cents.
As  
AcidTest : 10/14/2019 9:15 am : link
others have said, Eli would probably require a new deal of two years beyond this season to waive his no trade clause. That would allow him to continue to play while his new team develops his successor, presumably a high draft pick in 2020. Tennessee could be that team since Mariotta is obviously done there, but the question is whether they will offer Eli such a deal.
pj  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:16 am : link
Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.
RE: I thought there was no way  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2019 9:19 am : link
In comment 14627914 section125 said:
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OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?

NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.

Nope. I really don't see it.


Tennessee is need of a QB.
Indy has no viable second option if Brisset goes down
NE- laugh if you want but all they have is Brady.
Chicago possibility
Pittsburgh is a definite possibility


Keep in mind some of these teams may be looking for a backup who could keep their season going if needed. QB's falling all over the place.
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14628016 JonC said:
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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.


I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.

I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.

But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.


RE: RE: I thought there was no way  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14628019 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14627914 section125 said:


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OBJ gets traded. I think there would be a lesser chance on Eli. But if he gets the chance with a real playoff team, he may just say WTF knowing he is done with the Giants. But where?

NO- Bridgewater is 4-0. Brees back in 2 or 3 weeks
Jags - not a playoff team
Vikings - Cousins has looked good last two
Indy - over Brissett?
Pittsburgh - on 3rd string QB - maybe the most sense.

Nope. I really don't see it.



Tennessee is need of a QB.
Indy has no viable second option if Brisset goes down
NE- laugh if you want but all they have is Brady.
Chicago possibility
Pittsburgh is a definite possibility


Keep in mind some of these teams may be looking for a backup who could keep their season going if needed. QB's falling all over the place.


To be clear I am not saying ELI would agree, just that there are teams out there that may be interested.
JonC  
fkap : 10/14/2019 9:27 am : link
a counterpoint is that the no trade clause means Eli controls his destination, just as in FA. Having the Giants in the middle makes it a little messier, true, but he also gets a jump start on the competition next year (a bird in the hand...).
I think Eli would only go for a perfect fit  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2019 9:29 am : link
The only teams I could see him agreeing to go to are the Steelers and Saints. The Saints are not interested because Brees will be back soon and Bridgewater is playing well in his absence.

The Steelers make the most sense, they are in win now mode and they have a very good team minus the QB. Interestingly enough the Steelers have a bye week next week. Were they to acquire Eli in the next few days he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the playbook.
RE: In the AFC..  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14627946 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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South anything is possible:



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Jags - not a playoff team



They were favored over NO at home this week. Minshew seems to be looking more and more like a rookie. I don't expect Eli to go to Jax, but it would make some sense. So would Tennessee with Mariota getting benched and Tannehill looking terrible.


I agree, for some strange reason I don't believe Jax thinks Minshew is the answer (possible because I don't so, maybe its a self fulfilling prophecy). I think
- Pittsburgh,
- Jax,
- Tennessee,
- Denver

could all be in play. If I was also Tampa Bay I'd be interested, because I think Winston stinks, but I don't think they are looking (yet).
RE: RE: I'd leave in a minute  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14627999 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14627911 Big_N said:


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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).



Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.

Donít make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasnít good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment


Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.

Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.

Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
RE: What is your friend saying because what you said is nothing new?  
1st and 10 : 10/14/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14627926 robbieballs2003 said:
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You didn't say Eli will be traded. You just said his name will be thrown around in rumors. No disrespect because I appreciate any info but I could have said his name will be involved in trade rumors this time of year.


Yes, you are right, I did not say he would be traded, just his name will and it appears already has come up more.

What he is hearing is that a few more teams are becoming desperate enough where they are now openly considering Eli in a trade, which they were not even a few weeks ago.

Whether a trade happens or not, I do not know nor does my friend as he does not have that info.

Bottom line, it seems like more teams are looking at him/inquiring about him, which will be interesting to say the least, going forward.
RE: RE: pj  
JonC : 10/14/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14628022 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14628016 JonC said:


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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.



I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.

I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.

But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.



That's fine, next time I'll actually provide absolutes.
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