as mentioned a few times, I have a friend in the industry (not associated with any 1 team) and every once in a while, he passes along some good info.
With that said, he told me to hang on to my hat regarding the Eli rumor mill and him being traded. These rumors are already picking up big time after Sunday's games as numerous teams are now rumored to be looking for a QB prior to the trade deadline. He expects Eli will be rumored or linked to 3-4 teams.
Sure, like I said, it's an educated guess.
Everyone needs to RELAX.
The Steelers make the most sense, they are in win now mode and they have a very good team minus the QB. Interestingly enough the Steelers have a bye week next week. Were they to acquire Eli in the next few days he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the playbook.
I was a Teddy guy since his Vikings days, but he isn't very good. They have been winning on the back of their defense and run game. Brees is coming back so its moot. The one team that makes sense at all is the Steelers and that is entirely how they feel about Rudolph, but he hasn't impressed anyone. I thought a trade was extremely unlikely but the afc north sucks and the steelers have the line to protect him.
Maaaaybe the Steelers could use him but I think the OVERWHELMING odds are that Eli finishes the season as the #2 QB, picks up his paycheck then hangs em up at the end of the year.
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Alrighty then, feel better? Of course we don't know, thus the educated guess preface.
I feel fine. Educated guess is one thing, absolutes are very different and I'm not convinced with your educated guess.
I don't see athletes who have a chance to play sitting on the bench too often. If the Giants present a trade scenario to Eli, I feel like he'd take it. To other people's points I don't see any team considering Eli a long-term option, and I don't see him wanting to be a backup. If he has a chance to play meaningful games down the stretch I imagine he'd waive his NTC. Or he's simply realized he reached the end and plans to retire after the season.
But, I don't know. As my post indicated, none of us does.
That's fine, next time I'll actually provide absolutes.
You addressed me. My comment wasn't even about your post.
maybe you should RELAX
He's already starting to show warts and even in the midst of the Mania, the team is 2-4.
Titans with Mariota and Tannehill aren’t doing shit. They proved it getting shut out yesterday.
Eli can run that New England / Vrabel offense.
It would be a perfect situation for Eli.
Plus, you know how many karaoke bars there are in Nashville? That alone will get Eli to waive the NTC
Same
Jax almost has to go with Minshew. Same with Chicago and Mitch. Indy New Orleans and Minnesota are not options.
The Titans however, just benched Mariota for Tannehill. Talk about QB hell. Titans seems to be built around power OL, run game and defense. Pretty perfect for Eli at this stage. Probably worth a shot for them at 2-4.
Pittsburgh coming off a win and with Rudolph out might be a log shot play if they were confident Eli is hanging them up at the end of the season with Ben still there, otherwise awkward for many reasons.
Abby is from Memphis and her family is there so as far as the wife is concerned, maybe she wouldn’t mind Tennessee. Plus Vols ties to Peyton. Never know how things turn out
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Whenever he gets traded that team will have to pay his pro-rated salary for the rest of the year.
Trading for him before the deadline would have been impossible b/c he wouldn't fit under anyone's cap.
And let's just play along for a half a second and let's say that this rumor is true and Eli is willing to waive his no trade clause...what's he worth?
He can only be traded before the deadline.
I’m not sure what you mean here
Sorry - I mean traded right at the deadline.
however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.
For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
Of course we don’t. This is a football board and most every opinion here is based on speculation formed from afar. However, isn’t that the pt of BBI?
this to me sounds like the latter.
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To sit on a bench, injury free, and go home to play with his daughters every evening.
He's not moving.
If he thinks he can still play at a high level, and wants to try, he can try next year.
Couldn't tell if you were serious with the relax.
It makes me laugh when people get wound up and take things waaay too literally. None of us have seen the medical charts, so we can't say don't rush Barkley back. We aren't professional evaluators, so don't disagree with Sy. We don't have barbecue with Eli, so don't offer an opinion on what might be going through his head/good for his career. It's a frigging message board. People often write things meant to be generic, not to be taken as an absolute. The Giants, Eli, anyone, aren't making decisions based on what is written here.
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Giants would probably jump for joy to get $7.3 million of cap savings so a 5th or a 6th is a lot more likely a return than a 2nd or 3rd.
However, the way things are going for the Giants, Jones is certain to get injured the week after we trade Eli.
Couldn't tell if you were serious with the relax.
It makes me laugh when people get wound up and take things waaay too literally. None of us have seen the medical charts, so we can't say don't rush Barkley back. We aren't professional evaluators, so don't disagree with Sy. We don't have barbecue with Eli, so don't offer an opinion on what might be going through his head/good for his career. It's a frigging message board. People often write things meant to be generic, not to be taken as an absolute. The Giants, Eli, anyone, aren't making decisions based on what is written here.
Nah, all good. There's also more legit info posted here than people realize at times. But, it's getting harder to be plain about it as forum is monitoring and many aren't bothering anymore.
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
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I know there is a ton of brain power and knowledge on this site.
however, with all due respect I'm reasonably sure none of you has fucking clue what Eli would or won't do and whether or not he lives to "come home to play with his daughters" after practice and would or wouldn't accept a trade to another team for 3-4 months so he could continue to go home after practice to play with his daughters.
For many reasons a trade would be tricky - the $$$, the play book/system, the right situation where it makes sense, but none of you knows what Eli is thinking as far as I know.
Of course we don’t. This is a football board and most every opinion here is based on speculation formed from afar. However, isn’t that the pt of BBI?
Not so sure. It seems like many a sports fan, and here included, think they are "informed" fans or whatever and think Bill Belichick looks for ideas on next weeks game on BBI and is like "hmmm I wonder what drunk_giants_fan56 has to say."
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
The Steelers have a bye week next week and are still in win now mode. They seem to be the ideal fit for Eli as he would have nearly two full weeks to learn the offense which is plenty of time for Eli.
They will give Tannehill a shot to prove that he deserves to be the starter next year. More than likely they will target a QB in next years draft.
Why doesn't Pittsburgh make sense? They have a great defense, are also a run-oriented offense, they have a bye week next week, and the Rooney's are close with the Mara's.
What a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting that Eli can still be a good starting QB in the NFL. What this thread is clearly about is that injuries have forced teams to evaluate their QB position. Are you suggesting that Devlin Hodges, Gardner Minshew, Chase Daniel, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, etc are better choices for teams with playoff aspirations?
The Steelers traded their 2020 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. They are trying to win now and Devlin Hodges is not the QB to get them there. Eli doesn't have to be 2011 Eli to improve their QB situation.
I used to think that way until I had kids. Now I completely understand not wanting to go through another move for just a few months. Add in the fact that he has to learn a new playbook, find temporary housing, etc.
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They have a run-oriented offense and it really is the only situation in the league where a team might have playoff aspirations and Eli represents an upgrade.
Why doesn't Pittsburgh make sense? They have a great defense, are also a run-oriented offense, they have a bye week next week, and the Rooney's are close with the Mara's.
Good point, I'll walk it back a little and add them. I do buy the party line that they like Mason Rudolph. Who really knows how they actually see him though.
Eli may very well waive his NTC to go to a team like the Titans even if they are not a playoff team just to play. The question is why would the Titans bring him in? Is he markedly better than Tannehill at this point? What do you do with Mariota now that you have essentially said he is not your guy?
I think the bigger problem with trading Eli is not does he want to still play somewhere else but what team has a situation that he would fit?
He's a perfect band aid for a team missing it's starter for this year that still has playoff aspirations. Who is that? New Orleans? No way they move of Bridgewater since he has won every game he has started. Jacksonville? You just paid Foles a bunch of money. Is this team a contender with Eli this year? I tend to doubt it but they may feel differently. That is the only logical destination I can see for him this year.
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Sucks that many here can't see it.
What a ridiculous take. Nobody is suggesting that Eli can still be a good starting QB in the NFL. What this thread is clearly about is that injuries have forced teams to evaluate their QB position. Are you suggesting that Devlin Hodges, Gardner Minshew, Chase Daniel, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, etc are better choices for teams with playoff aspirations?
The Steelers traded their 2020 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick. They are trying to win now and Devlin Hodges is not the QB to get them there. Eli doesn't have to be 2011 Eli to improve their QB situation.
This Junior guy craps on Eli on every thread. I get the feeling he is like 15 yrs old and doesn't remember the good that Eli has done. Its like a broken record with him.
LOL WTF? Why do you care? Geezus let it go already dude.
He's already starting to show warts and even in the midst of the Mania, the team is 2-4.
Or Hoyingmania
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first two games would make another GM pick up the phone and call the Giants? I love Eli, but what other team fan base would be excited to part with a 4 or 5 to get Eli for half a year?
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Hm, I thought Eli was a statue and couldn’t make plays like this anymore. Thanks for posting it
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
Big, I m a Giants fan. I m not a Kapernick (sp) fan, but if Jones was a bust and they signed him, I d root for the team.
But I don’t get your analogy, Kapernick is a known commodity, and not very good, plus he brings controversy. Jones is a rookie high draft pick with potential.
Also in an earlier text you alluded to Jones and the interceptions implying they would not have happened with Eli.
You really should check out Eli s place in all time interceptions by quarterbacks before you throw that out there. Again entitled to your opinion, but if you lose objectivity people won’t take your pts seriously.
If I had to guess I would say that he will stay with the Giants this season and explore FA next year and if no good offers come in he just retires. Options are fairly limited right now and why not just wait it out and make the best choice instead.
If I had to guess I would say that he will stay with the Giants this season and explore FA next year and if no good offers come in he just retires. Options are fairly limited right now and why not just wait it out and make the best choice instead.
A trade is much better from a cap perspective. If he is released, he still gets paid. If he is traded, the remainder of his salary comes off the books.
for a moment and take whatever you can get for him .
At this point I would add Tate Ellison Soldier Jenkins
and Ogletree to the list accumulate picks and continue
to build . Draft capitol to move up as well .
We will certainly add a few more players in free agency .