as mentioned a few times, I have a friend in the industry (not associated with any 1 team) and every once in a while, he passes along some good info.
With that said, he told me to hang on to my hat regarding the Eli rumor mill and him being traded. These rumors are already picking up big time after Sunday's games as numerous teams are now rumored to be looking for a QB prior to the trade deadline. He expects Eli will be rumored or linked to 3-4 teams.
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These guys never committed to him this year with dj signing at 6 of all things and didn't have the balls to say it. Or most likely didn't have a clue how non-competitive this team was. This team s 2-3 without Eli. (should be 1-4 minus a chip shot fg).
Actually they are 2-2 without Eli and in one of the games did something the Eli led Giants never did in 15 years, overcome an 18 pt deficit, missed chip shot FG or not.
Don’t make it seem like the Giants were unfair to Eli, or that there wasn’t good reason to make the change, most people , objectively would not agree with that assessment
Wrong. They started Geno Smith and lost to the Oakland freakin Raiders for their 3rd loss. So whatever 1-3 2-3 it is not a good winning pct. Really this just goes to show fans know nothing. How many went out and bought Jones Jerseys after one game and thought all of this teams problems were solved after one game vs. the bucs? many here too I'm sure.
Don't make it seem like this team wasn't fair to Eli? Damn straight I am! I am at the point where I have been rooting against this team for 2 weeks in a row now after being a fan since I was a little boy in the early 80s.
Really he's been way to nice of a guy with what has been going on around this place for like 5-6 years now. Reese and his BS. Getting benched by some total loser of a coach. Getting benched now in week 2 after not really throwing 4 int or whatever. This line has been in rebuild mode for like what 7 years and counting now? Gettlemen and his cluelessness "A QB challenge on draft night" or "Greenbay Rogers situation" Like WTF? What did Rogers sit for like 3 years? So you get a guy at 6 who no one had any kind of interest in or thought was a particularly good prospect. If they were serious you would have gotten Josh Allen and maybe picked someone up in free agency or whatever and made a run for it. If not say so and cut Eli and save the 5 mil or whatever.
Wow. Well everyone has an opinion, you are certainly entitled to yours.
You and I are just coming from different places; it s very difficult for me to relate to the idea of rooting against the Giants because of them sitting a player, any player.
Guess there is definitely some truth, as others have suggested, that some here were Eli fans first, Giants second. Not for me to criticize, but it explains a lot.
I live Eli, but have always been and will continue be, a Giants fan first
Just curious, would you still have that opinion if Jones turns out to be a bust and Giants were to sign Colin Kapernick? Not sure what you feel about it him but assuming you find his antics distasteful as most do. A bicep kisser among other things.
Big, I m a Giants fan. I m not a Kapernick (sp) fan, but if Jones was a bust and they signed him, I d root for the team.
But I don’t get your analogy, Kapernick is a known commodity, and not very good, plus he brings controversy. Jones is a rookie high draft pick with potential.
Also in an earlier text you alluded to Jones and the interceptions implying they would not have happened with Eli.
You really should check out Eli s place in all time interceptions by quarterbacks before you throw that out there. Again entitled to your opinion, but if you lose objectivity people won’t take your pts seriously.
I think you missed the point. What I am saying is when do you draw the line on being a Giants fan first ? I don't know about you but, it would be really hard to me cheer for a colin kaepernick if he became a Giants qb. Or Cheer for the Giants at that point.
Also Dj and the ints. Sure Eli threw some bad passes in his day but also threw a lot of TDs too. He was a much better prospect as a high draft pick. He also played against teams like #1 D Pittsburgh in his rookie year and did not look like a rookie at all. People can say djs top guys are out. I mean was fumble-prone Tiki that good that year ? I remember his best years being later ones. And Amani toomer ? was he a 20 million dollar Wide Receiver? Engram has been inconsistent anyway. And I remember Eli doing pretty damn good with a backup TE in an SB.
He went 4-18 for 27 yards and 2 Int before he was benched.
That was with Barber, Shockey and Toomer all playing.
He went 4-18 for 27 yards and 2 Int before he was benched.
That was with Barber, Shockey and Toomer all playing.
Good grief.
How are they the number 1 Defense? In any case, he played against a very good Stealers D and team and they only lost by a field goal giving like 10 points on the line. He went 16 of 23 with 2 TD 1 Int and 104 rating. The lost by 3; no moral victories despite losing by 3 touchdowns or 18 ; excuses that the game was much closer etc.
Can you imagine what this board would have been like if Jones had done that against either the Vikes or Pats? I just get the distinct feeling that the only way Jones puts up those numbers is against teams like the Cards next week. But hey when you won 3 games 2 years ago anything to get excited about.
But you made the comparison of Eli V Jones.
Here are Eli's stats from his first game to your Steelers reference:
Atl 17-37 162 yrds 1 TD 2 Int
Phi 6-21 148 yrds 2 Int
Wash 12-25 113 yrds
Balt 4-18 27 yrds 2 Int
Pretty sure that DJ stacks up pretty well compared to the start of Eli's career thus far.
It makes it more complicated, but it is possible. The Tannehill trade to the Titans is the most recent. Miami was looking to add picks and move on from Tannehill. He still had a chuck of change due to him ($7M). Miami ended up giving Tannehill $5M in the form of signing bonus while Tenn. only had to pay $2M. In return, Miami received a 4th and a 7th from Tenn while Tenn will get a 6th back.
We're 1 game out. Go fucking win games.
That would surprise me. They are very high on Brissett. He’s just a better football player than Eli right now. His mobility is ideal for what they are trying to accomplish.
I think Zeke is right. Pittsburgh makes the most sense in this hypothetical. They think they are still in the AFCN hunt, which they are, and Mason’s injury scares them. Guy got knocked out cold last week. That was tough to watch...
We're 1 game out. Go fucking win games.
That would remove excuses though. This post is so true. The Giants are 1GB with a home game against Dallas & 2 games with Philly remaining. Why punt the season?
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Go out and go 3-1 in this stretch and get to 5-5. Let’s hold the coaching staff accountable. The entire division has issues, take advantage and get on a roll. If not, let’s kind a staff that can do it.
Trading the backup QB, especially when the starter is a rookie, is a sign that the season has become about something other than winning.
The main point of the 2019 season is not to see what we have in Daniel Jones. The point is to win games and compete for a championship.
Now I'm not saying we should be trading future assets, but we also shouldn't be giving up on the season.
With Barkley (but without Tate) the offense looked stale and pedestrian at best with Eli. I do not believe the Giants can win with Eli.
Jones has provided a spark and in a short period of time shown that the offense is still not elite, but can move the ball differently. It's no longer about the plays Eli makes. He still has a lot of what he always had, but it's about the plays he doesn't or can't make.
if Jones is injured and the backup QB is forced into duty I expect the offense to be like weeks 1 and 2.
So, I would not give Eli away for the sake of removing him from the team, but if I was presented a good offer for Eli and he agreed to waive his NTC I would absolutely trade Eli and it would not be giving up on the season, it's s smart football transaction.
Different situation, but the Pats traded their backup QB a couple years ago in October. No one freaked out.
If we trade Eli, find ourselves in a December division race, and then lose out in part because Alex Tanney had to start at Philly on Monday night 12/9...then everyone involved in the decision to trade Eli should be fired.
The backup QB matters. I agree that Eli isn't our best option anymore, but if we need a guy to come in and manage a game or two in a pinch we can't do much better than him.
I hope it becomes a situation where the Giants feel they have to keep Eli in case they need him to come in to a game or start one, while the Giants are competitive.
But, if not, 2 - 6 is very different than 4 - 4. 3 - 5 or 5 - 3 I could be persuaded either way.
E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
Now, you have opened Pandora's Box. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon, but didn't bother to mention it. Many have postulated teams based on team's need at QB and Eli's playing time. But suppose that Eli went to Mara and said that he wants another championship and the Giants store is all out of Lightning in a Bottle. Eli fits the statue in a pocket offense throwing crossing routes that Brady runs. The Pats might like Stidman, but do they like him enough to trust him in the playoffs? Cody Kessler can be sent packing. Stidman can stay as the development QB. And Eli would be the cheapest insurance policy for the remaining $6.5M that is owed at the trade deadline. The Pats have $7M in available cap space.
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Couldn't the pick be conditional?
E. G. Pats: Low pick for insurance - high if Brady goes down.
Now, you have opened Pandora's Box. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon, but didn't bother to mention it. Many have postulated teams based on team's need at QB and Eli's playing time. But suppose that Eli went to Mara and said that he wants another championship and the Giants store is all out of Lightning in a Bottle. Eli fits the statue in a pocket offense throwing crossing routes that Brady runs. The Pats might like Stidhan, but do they like him enough to trust him in the playoffs? Cody Kessler can be sent packing. Stidman can stay as the development QB. And Eli would be the cheapest insurance policy for the remaining $6.5M that is owed at the trade deadline. The Pats have $7M in available cap space.
Cody Kessler was just released. Perhaps making room?
Denver - big brother's other team - no - why would Denver want to or better still why would Eli want to, when this team ain't competing for the playoffs. Unless he wants a place to go to showcase to someone, somewhere he still has another year or years in the tank..?
New Orleans- fathers team/hometown team - no - they have a HOF QB coming back soon. Eli can finish this year as a backup in NY instead of a backup in New Orleans, unless he wants a third ring... but the 2x SB MVP ain't just 'ring chasing' elsewhere.
Jacksonville - TC's team - maybe- Minshew or Eli? I'd say Eli and I'd say TC would say Eli too. This though IMO would depend on the health of Foles. If he comes back then what's the point?
*bonus* Eli ain't waiving his trade clause to go to the Steelers... that's Ben's team... same chance of him waiving it to go to the Chargers and we all KNOW he doesn't want to play there hehe
If Lauletta was good: 1. Lauletta, 2. a late round rookie like Minshew
If undecided on Lauletta: Draft Jones, let him and Lauletta fight for job
If Lauletta was bad: 1. Jones, 2. any of the cheap FA options that signed for less than $2M: Glennon, Hundley, Gabbert, Bortles, Mannion
Any of those scenarios is preferable to what actually happened. Just incompetent management of the QB position.
It's an issue that's negatively impacting this season right now, and a window into the thought process in the current front office. There were no logical reasons for keeping him, and that's been borne out.
It still matters, it's far from a dead horse and here's why: the guys running this team brought Eli back under the pretense of competing this year. That should be the standard to which they are held...they shouldn't get to move the goal posts because they went to Jones. If and when they finish with 5 or 6 wins it should be viewed as a huge failure to reach a stated goal. None of us should have any time for any excuses regarding the difficulty of transitioning to a rookie QB.
The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.
So the standard remains: go win games. A 6 win season is unacceptable.
And they made this decision before they had a viable replacement. Even when they drafted the replacement, they still didn't know what they had in him.
At that time, March, they felt Manning still gave them the best chance to win games. There is your logical reason.
If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
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The goal this season was to win games. They knowingly came into this season with Eli as the starter. They opted to bench him; it's not like he got injured and lost for the season.
And they made this decision before they had a viable replacement. Even when they drafted the replacement, they still didn't know what they had in him.
At that time, March, they felt Manning still gave them the best chance to win games. There is your logical reason.
That tells you two things:
1. They mishandled the Lauletta situation...he should have been named starting QB after the bye week in 2018, when we were 1-7. This isn't hindsight...many of us said it at the time.
2. They completely misevaluated Eli.
Multiple layers of mistakes that led to the ridiculous way it was eventually handled. Incompetence.
If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
No one is offering anything of value for Eli.
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
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the Bledsoe/Brady example sure is an example where a veteran QB relegated to backup (due to injury) came off the bench in the AFCCG to help his team win. Not sure how relevant it is to the Giants.
If that's your reason not to trade Eli (in two weeks if the Giants are 2 - 6 or even 3 - 5) and you have been offered anything of value you should be fired. The Giants are a missed what should have been chip shot FG away from being 1 - 5, but people want to keep Eli so he can come off the bench and help the Giants remain in contention. lol.
No one is offering anything of value for Eli.
If a trade is something Eli wants, cap relief is enough comp to the Giants
The other thing I'd have a problem with is that trading him is basically an admission from the front office that they're punting the season, and they'll have "Jones's development" to point to as an excuse if/when they finish 6-10.
I'm hoping the media and fan base don't fall for it. If we have a poor finish Shumur and Gettleman should be taken to task for it.
I disagree on the message it sends, I don’t think it will change anything in the locker room at least. The media will do what it does though.
Come on Terps, you're more knowledgable than that - yes, it absolutely would add to next year's cap space. Unused cap room rolls over.
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At this point, what do you do with the cap relief? He's coming off the books after this year anyway so it's not like it would add to our salary cap next year.
Come on Terps, you're more knowledgable than that - yes, it absolutely would add to next year's cap space. Unused cap room rolls over.
I'm actually not sure about that. Does it actually get *added* to the bottom line next year when Eli is coming off the books after this season? I could be wrong, and I'm honestly asking because I don't know exactly how it works in a situation like this.
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
Not true... I value the behind the scenes work Eli is passing onto Jones over a late round pick.
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
Then you leak it that he blocked the trade...
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
Not true... I value the behind the scenes work Eli is passing onto Jones over a late round pick.
I don't because I don't know how you even quantify that.
It sounds good on paper and in theory, but does it really pay a dividend? To me, the bigger dividend is simply reps and playing. And listening to the person who is an expert in teaching - the coach.
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
If he really wants to play, he takes the opportunity.
If he just wants to collect the salary, he wears the earphones, chews sunflower seeds, looks at some video on the iPads, and acts happy if Jones/Giants do well...
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you absolutely shop Eli. Why? Because under the strong assumption this is his last year, anything you can get for him is better than getting than nothing upon retirement. If some team is silly enough to offer a 5th or 6th or whatever, take it...
In all likelihood, I doubt we get anything because I only see one team that may make sense. So it's probably a moot point.
And what if Eli doesn't want to be traded?
If he doesn’t want to be traded you don’t trade him.