I am fully drinking the Kool-Aid.
Gettleman's first two drafts have been very strong. While his free agency signings have not been nearly as meritorious, he has been dealing with a tiny budget and a roster with more holes than substance.
In 2018 he added multiple immediate contributors in Barkley (all-world talent), Hernandez (the best OL we have drafted in recent memory), Carter, Hill and McIntosh. All of these guys are getting significant playing time and, I would argue, out-playing their draft positions.
2019 was even better so far. After trading OBJ (which I maintain was addition by subtraction) for Peppers (immediate significant contributor) and 1st and 3rd round picks, he added Jones (future of the franchise at QB), Lawrence (immediate stud DT), Baker (coming on strong at CB after a rough start), Ximines (immediately productive contributor at EDGE), Connelly (was looking like the best inside LB we have had in the last few years before injury), and Darius Slayton (immediate significant contributor at WR).
He signed Markus Golden, who has turned out to be an incredible value signing at EDGE. He also traded Vernon (expensive injury prone underachiever) for Kevin Zeitler (one of the best OGs in the league). That's an outstanding value in return for a guy who frankly was not worth his contract.
That is a dramatic improvement in the overall talent level of this roster in two years, all while clearing a fuckton of cap space for 2020 and beyond.
If this team has another draft class in 2020 of similar quality to the classes of 2018 and 2019, and makes good use of the enormous amount of cap space it will have in 2020, the Giants can absolutely compete at a high level next year and for the next few years thereafter. The pieces are coming together.
The arrow is clearly pointing up for the first time since Accorsi retired. I am all in for Gettleman.
What say you?
Obviously Bethea was a 2019 mistake but I think he did okay with the trades and the other FA pickups. Remmers was a stopgap and only on BBI was Remmers looked at as a key acquisition.
I give him one more crack at free agency.
I don't think "BBI" viewed Remmers as anything other than a stopgap. Most felt "average" RT play was/is his ceiling, but that even if he was a bottom third starting RT that it'd be a (significant) upgrade over last year's RTs.
This OL is worlds better than previous years and should only improve with more FA capital and draft picks.
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I like the course we're on...
What still concerns me is how reluctant Gettleman seemed to even admit that a rebuild was necessary. Maybe that was merely a media/PR strategy. But it does make me wonder how accurately he can assess the state of the team at any given moment.
For example, the way he and Shurmur celebrated the end of last season was concerning.
You're putting too much stock into what he says to the media. You don't draft a QB #6 overall if you don't think a "rebuild" is necessary.
By allocation, I mean that he has structured contracts with outs so future years aren't burdened with a high cap hit if the player is released. You don't think that is an argument for the GM?
Are you that anti-management that now you sound completely ignorant?
i have no idea how cap allocation is tied to lining owner's pockets, and I have a feeling you don't either, but hey -= you get to work in a one-liner about Price Waterhouse.
Kudos.
We were literally starting Flowers and Bobby Hart at tackle spots in recent years, where on every single snap, it seemed Eli might get killed.
This OL is worlds better than previous years and should only improve with more FA capital and draft picks.
Go back and read Sy's game review. The two tackles he brought in - one paid like an All-Pro - are grading out close to where Flowers did. This line is better than what it was, but it is a long way from a good line.
Which means he's also tied to:
Josh Allen (both QB and LB).
And Darnold.
And Rosen.
And, this is more of a stretch, Lamar Jackson.
We are now in a "QB arms race" to see which one ends up being the best one because we had a chance for any of them.
By and large, I give DG a C+ for the draft. It looks like he's picked players trending the right direction. But I have not been a fan wit the way he's managed the draft.
In free agency, I find the results very mixed as well. I'm not going to hammer him on the Jonathan Stewart move. That was peanuts compared to the Solder move. On the other hand, Golden looks like a real get.
I think his best moments have been in trades, actually.
So, I'm in the TBD/Incomplete camp.
No way of knowing about when Jones would be ready. No problem with paying Eli just fir this year. BFD. We’ll have money next year to extend our eligible core players
That's more on Shurmur and Reese than it is Gettleman, let's be honest.
Markus Golden.
Seriously? He gutted almost the entire team and with few exceptions started over with new players. You’re better than this. :)
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I don't think this is the coaching staff to lead us to contender level. That's a big decision on tap, and I hope if DG believes the same that he's decisive in making changes.
On that note, my dad and I were discussing Robert Saleh (9'ers D coordinator) last night and whether he'll be a head coaching candidate as early as 2020. He's an incredibly enthusiastic young coordinator with a really interesting background. We may be incorrect, but we both figured he's the kind of candidate Gettleman will never touch.
Robert Saleh is the kind of guy the NYG should be looking at for 2020/2021. He's a young dude with a lot of energy and a nice resume thus far, with a strong defensive background. His Niners D is humming on all cylinders. Definitely a name to keep their eyes on.
That depends on what you thought of the team he inherited. Considering most wanted Reese fired, I'm guessing the consensus was that the roster was pretty baren and clearly DG felt the same (I believe Shepard and Engram are the only offensive starters inherited and Jenkins and Tomlinson the only D starters). That's major turnover in 2 years and I'd argue next season is when they need to start winning.
Robert Saleh is the kind of guy the NYG should be looking at for 2020/2021. He's a young dude with a lot of energy and a nice resume thus far, with a strong defensive background. His Niners D is humming on all cylinders. Definitely a name to keep their eyes on.
I agree. I just honestly don't see it happening (IF they even fire Shurmur, which I doubt they'll do). I hope I'm wrong, but I just feel like Gettleman has a particular... head coach archetype in his mind that Saleh doesn't belong to.
For example, Hill and Hernandez both have leveled off. Last year I would have rated them as excellent picks. This year I would say Hernandez was a good but not great pick. He is no Chris Snee
But ultimately the only thing that matters is wins. And so far we have two this year.
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Robert Saleh is the kind of guy the NYG should be looking at for 2020/2021. He's a young dude with a lot of energy and a nice resume thus far, with a strong defensive background. His Niners D is humming on all cylinders. Definitely a name to keep their eyes on.
I agree. I just honestly don't see it happening (IF they even fire Shurmur, which I doubt they'll do). I hope I'm wrong, but I just feel like Gettleman has a particular... head coach archetype in his mind that Saleh doesn't belong to.
I know exactly what you mean. I hope you're not right about that, but if I had to bet, I would think you are. Would be a shame, really.
-Like his drafts and acquiring more picks. Seems to be drafting "football" players and some nice later round finds.
-Coaching staff is not good. The problem is how much input did he have after McAdoo? Seemed like Mara wanted someone with experience and a safe hire. Would love to know his "actual" thoughts on the staff.
That in 2 years is a core you can build a championship around. The fight the team showed vs New England also means the team will fight for each other and their coach.
All huge wins. Yes, I am on the DG train. It's not anywhere near its destination, but I am confident we'll compete for a ring in 1 - 2 years.
Yes sir. Being religious has nothing to do with it. Saleh actually is, but that's neither here nor there. The key is image. The Maras ALWAYS select the HC though, so it's not just on Getts. Let's see what happens because Bill Parcells ain't walkin' through that door.
Interest in him magnifies when you see him on the sideline. The guy is clearly enthusiastic, energetic, and just plain charismatic.
That's a part of it. His youth is another part of it, and his background may be yet another. Will Gettleman take seriously a guy who nearly decided to abandon football altogether for a financial career?
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I just looked up his background - finance graduate, played college ball on the offensive side of the football, and has made his name as a great defensive coordinator. I said I had a giant man crush on him watching him the last two weeks. After reading his background, in a game now driven by analytics, it screams that is going to be a very good head coach.
Interest in him magnifies when you see him on the sideline. The guy is clearly enthusiastic, energetic, and just plain charismatic.
That's all well and good, but I also care about tactics, preparation, football I.Q., and common sense. So far so good from Saleh, but I wanna see more and I want to see what his players think of him intellectually and what his superiors think about him behind closed doors so that when decision makers have something to decide on, we can get some kind of word about what they think about him. Enthusiasm can only go so far.
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I just looked up his background - finance graduate, played college ball on the offensive side of the football, and has made his name as a great defensive coordinator. I said I had a giant man crush on him watching him the last two weeks. After reading his background, in a game now driven by analytics, it screams that is going to be a very good head coach.
Interest in him magnifies when you see him on the sideline. The guy is clearly enthusiastic, energetic, and just plain charismatic.
That's all well and good, but I also care about tactics, preparation, football I.Q., and common sense. So far so good from Saleh, but I wanna see more and I want to see what his players think of him intellectually and what his superiors think about him behind closed doors so that when decision makers have something to decide on, we can get some kind of word about what they think about him. Enthusiasm can only go so far.
Sure, I just mentioned his sideline appeal to highlight that he isn't merely some analytical egghead.
If we fire Shurmur and are going ex-head coach (which I imagine would unfortunately be the case... IF we fire Shurmur, which I imagine would unfortunately not be the case), I'd actually prefer Jay Gruden.
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is most likely a Muslim? Salah doesn't strike me as a very religious guy if at all though sadly I could see how that is problematic.
That's a part of it. His youth is another part of it, and his background may be yet another. Will Gettleman take seriously a guy who nearly decided to abandon football altogether for a financial career?
That can be both good or bad. Belichick is a career football man, but he majored in Economics. Ernie Adams was/is his James "Tip" Anderson throughout. Getts and Saleh would need to discuss that, but it can also be a positive. I think he and Getts might get along fine. Saleh knows patterns and numbers for sure with that kind of background. Getts has seen it all in his years in pro football, so he'll know how to break down the situation.
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I just looked up his background - finance graduate, played college ball on the offensive side of the football, and has made his name as a great defensive coordinator. I said I had a giant man crush on him watching him the last two weeks. After reading his background, in a game now driven by analytics, it screams that is going to be a very good head coach.
Interest in him magnifies when you see him on the sideline. The guy is clearly enthusiastic, energetic, and just plain charismatic.
That's all well and good, but I also care about tactics, preparation, football I.Q., and common sense. So far so good from Saleh, but I wanna see more and I want to see what his players think of him intellectually and what his superiors think about him behind closed doors so that when decision makers have something to decide on, we can get some kind of word about what they think about him. Enthusiasm can only go so far.
Sure, I just mentioned his sideline appeal to highlight that he isn't merely some analytical egghead.
I'm with you completely. Saleh has an interesting background in that regard and a good combo of characteristics.
Hell yeah. McCarthy got away with murder. Coughlin undressed him when they went up against each other in '07. If you know football at all, you should know to steer clear of that charlatan.
That guy signed FAs like Kerry Collins, Feagles, O'Hara, Pierce, McKenzie, Burress, Mitchell, Rolle, Canty, Bernard, etc.
Anyone know what he's up to?
So you consistently rail on Shurmurs HC record, but you want to entertain the idea of hiring Schwartz? He's never getting another shot, way too many personality defaults and demanding his players carry him on their shoulders after a win sticks out in my memory. No way players respect the guy.
I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely think there'd be better options.
According the BBI the only guy suitable to run this team and be successful is BB and there was an entire thread on how he wasn't coming here.
I don’t see anyone turning the 2017 disaster into a winning team in 2019.
Oh, and the season isn’t even over yet.