I am fully drinking the Kool-Aid.
Gettleman's first two drafts have been very strong. While his free agency signings have not been nearly as meritorious, he has been dealing with a tiny budget and a roster with more holes than substance.
In 2018 he added multiple immediate contributors in Barkley (all-world talent), Hernandez (the best OL we have drafted in recent memory), Carter, Hill and McIntosh. All of these guys are getting significant playing time and, I would argue, out-playing their draft positions.
2019 was even better so far. After trading OBJ (which I maintain was addition by subtraction) for Peppers (immediate significant contributor) and 1st and 3rd round picks, he added Jones (future of the franchise at QB), Lawrence (immediate stud DT), Baker (coming on strong at CB after a rough start), Ximines (immediately productive contributor at EDGE), Connelly (was looking like the best inside LB we have had in the last few years before injury), and Darius Slayton (immediate significant contributor at WR).
He signed Markus Golden, who has turned out to be an incredible value signing at EDGE. He also traded Vernon (expensive injury prone underachiever) for Kevin Zeitler (one of the best OGs in the league). That's an outstanding value in return for a guy who frankly was not worth his contract.
That is a dramatic improvement in the overall talent level of this roster in two years, all while clearing a fuckton of cap space for 2020 and beyond.
If this team has another draft class in 2020 of similar quality to the classes of 2018 and 2019, and makes good use of the enormous amount of cap space it will have in 2020, the Giants can absolutely compete at a high level next year and for the next few years thereafter. The pieces are coming together.
The arrow is clearly pointing up for the first time since Accorsi retired. I am all in for Gettleman.
What say you?
So you think McCarthy will win with this roster?
Better OL
Better RBs
Better pass rushers
Young QB in the fold and one we all like and agree upon that the future looks good.
Better cap space coming (end of the league calendar)
Better LBs is up for debate but Connelly was a terrific story before the injury.
WR/TEs ok no Beckham and DG Inherited Shep and Engram but he drafted Slayton.
The secondary has been completely rebuilt. Let’s give it more than five minutes to pass judgement.
The young talent base is so much better than where we were in 2017 it’s downright laughable. Don’t even start.
So you consistently rail on Shurmurs HC record, but you want to entertain the idea of hiring Schwartz? He's never getting another shot, way too many personality defaults and demanding his players carry him on their shoulders after a win sticks out in my memory. No way players respect the guy.
Schwartz is right where he belongs - running a defense. Except for one year, let's just say his tenure with the Lions was not inspiring.
If Shurmur ends up getting ousted, I'd give Ryan Day a long, long look. He has a very good offensive mind and seems to be very good at organizing. A dark horse for me would be Joe Brady, the LSU OC. He's brought that team out of the ice age of playing offense. And deserves huge kudos for his work with Joe Burrow.
Or you could just conjure up the record from 17 through today and ignore the signs of progress.
Or you could just conjure up the record from 17 through today and ignore the signs of progress.
this was pretty funny...
A Sean McVay-type. The problem is - just going after his type doesn't ensure he'll be a good coach. Freddy Kitchens is a testament to that.
It's tough figuring out who is a leader of men and one to steer a team, and each team probably has a personality that doesn't fit all coaches.
Put Bill Parcells on the Cardinals in the 80's and we'd likely never hear of any legacy of his.
Better OL
Better RBs
Better pass rushers
Young QB in the fold and one we all like and agree upon that the future looks good.
Better cap space coming (end of the league calendar)
Better LBs is up for debate but Connelly was a terrific story before the injury.
WR/TEs ok no Beckham and DG Inherited Shep and Engram but he drafted Slayton.
The secondary has been completely rebuilt. Let’s give it more than five minutes to pass judgement.
The young talent base is so much better than where we were in 2017 it’s downright laughable. Don’t even start.
Don’t conjure up records? Now I have heard everything. The sport is about winning but we should not look at winning percentage? In your opinion, this and that is better. That does not mean shit unless they win
Getts deserves an off-season in 2020 without the burdens of older players on the roster who aren't part of the future to go ahead and re-stock the talent on this team, starting with the OL and Front 7. This game is won in the trenches with big nasties. Plain and simple. IF you've got big people, then you can compete. That's what needs to happen. It will probably take another two seasons as well, so buckle up and get ready to see more losing football until then.
Marc Ross, Chris Mara, John Mara and Jerry Reese all had a big hand in screwing the pooch these past years. It will take a long time to unscrew the pooch. People can whine and complain about Remmers and other jags like him, but he's still a big improvement over the kid they had playing RT before him. Gettleman knows this. Right now there are a lot of hold the fort type of players on this roster, as Parcells called them. The cavalry is yet to arrive. Gettleman knows he has to find them. He's not stupid. He has FA and lots of cap space and the draft to go ahead and do this. Give it two more years. Until then, this team is still poopy.
And gave up almost 600 yards of offense LOL......and his defense the last few years have been nothing close to worthy.
He is dealing with a pretty limited budget considering how much dead cap we have from past mistakes. You can just change that overnight. one of his biggest assests is admitting mistakes and moving on. Cutting guys he signed.
There are people that are blaming him for Eli and I think that is more on ownership than DG. I dont know for sure but it seems pretty obvious that they wanted Eli back.
Drafts have been solid. I was against the Barkley pick(I wanted Darnold) but you cant really argue with the talent. If he can stay healthy, a big IF, he is a HoFer as he is already the best back in the NFL. DJ looks very good so far in a small sample, he will have his ups and downs. Lawrence looks like a great pick, Baker has started to come on and we are seeing contributions from most of the picks. It's possible that we are seeing contributions from the picks because our team was so bad before so that remains to be seen but there have been some later picks that look like NFL talent.
For what he was dealing with I see the talent level getting stronger. We have a very young team and should be able to compete in a big way next year. If we are not competing next year then it is a failure. The one thing you can say about this team so far is that they at least give maximum effort.
I am not sold on Shurmur though, he makes questionable decisions every game.
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Who cares. They don't hand out the Price Waterhouse Trophy at the Super Bowl to the team with the best cap allocation, and it's easy to allocate cap when you get rid of everyone making over minimum wage. Other than putting money in the owners' pockets (which makes him a popular figure with the owners), this is not an argument for a GM.
By allocation, I mean that he has structured contracts with outs so future years aren't burdened with a high cap hit if the player is released. You don't think that is an argument for the GM?
Are you that anti-management that now you sound completely ignorant?
i have no idea how cap allocation is tied to lining owner's pockets, and I have a feeling you don't either, but hey -= you get to work in a one-liner about Price Waterhouse.
Kudos.
Of course you have no idea. What the owner doesn't need to come up with in cash stays in the owner's pocket. What the owner doesn't need to borrow or is not obligated to pay in the future stays off the owner's balance sheet.
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Seriously? He gutted almost the entire team and with few exceptions started over with new players. You’re better than this. :)
Why are you looking at me like I'm the weird one. I think people lean way too hard on blaming Reese as an excuse for present day inadequacy. We are two years into this. We still have no idea if they hired a good head coach, the offensive line isnt fixed. It's just taped together with older stopgaps. The defense is worse. About the only thing that's fixed is defensive line maybe and RB.
Why are you looking at me like I'm the weird one. I think people lean way too hard on blaming Reese as an excuse for present day inadequacy. We are two years into this. We still have no idea if they hired a good head coach, the offensive line isnt fixed. It's just taped together with older stopgaps. The defense is worse. About the only thing that's fixed is defensive line maybe and RB.
Hopefully QB or the rest of it is moot.
As for the secondary, too many young pieces to judge right now. We'll have a better idea by the end of the season though.
and that seemed to be the only thing Reese was good at was drafting playmakers. He either Hit or Missed, no in between depth fillers.
Remind me when Sean McVay was an HC before he got the Rams gig? Let me help you - NOWHERE.
Look, you are probably right. That's not a Jints Central type move. But don't sell Day or Brady short. They are very, very bright...
Let’s see how Gettleman spends the pile of money he’s accumulated for next year and how his next draft is? And, how he handles the HC if Shurmur continues to screw up
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Joe Brady who has coached 0 games at any level as a HC or Ryan Day who has coached 9 games as a HC will be the next HC of the NYG next year.
Remind me when Sean McVay was an HC before he got the Rams gig? Let me help you - NOWHERE.
Look, you are probably right. That's not a Jints Central type move. But don't sell Day or Brady short. They are very, very bright...
I'm not arguing that they shouldn't be considered.
You hit the nail on the head - Jints Central doesn't roll that way.
They went out on a limb when they hired MacAdoo and they got burned. They went right back to the well with PS. He stacks up very favorably to the line of coaches before him.
Of course you have no idea. What the owner doesn't need to come up with in cash stays in the owner's pocket. What the owner doesn't need to borrow or is not obligated to pay in the future stays off the owner's balance sheet.
We have been up against the cap the past several years. Exactly how is that going into pockets?
Do you just throw shade at management for the fuck of it??
2016 was an outlier. We had a very good turnover ratio and a very healthy team. What;s funny is that McAdoo made some of the same decisions that TC did on gameday - in 2016 - it worked out because the D made some stops. In 2015 AND in 2017 it didn't because we didn't make stops.
How do "gameday decisions" (2-3 per game) outweigh playcalling (60+ per game)? McAdoo may have been good at the former, but he sucked at the latter. He didn't have to make any gameday decisions in 2017 because his predictable offense couldn't generate enough offense to get them in position.
I agree with this.
So far the Jones pick has shown enough promise that he has earned another year, but he has to use the cap money available next year wisely. His multi-year UFA signings have generally been poor, he hasn't shown that he can manage these signings and the cap yet. Also the hire of Shurmur is looking more and more like a black mark.
Case in point...Tom Coughlin is a very good to great football coach. That 2011 team had a ridiculously bad OL, and a decent to average defense, and we won the Super Bowl. Pat Shurmur would have probably gone 4-12 with that team.
Are some of you that dense or argumentative ?
What did this team look like midway through and down the stretch of 2017? That team was not bad, it was downright dreadful. The record should have been even worse than 4-12 or 3-13. That 2017 was the worst giants team in my lifetime. Not bad, historically bad.
Fast forward to 2018 first half. That team was bad too but I’d say it was functionally bad. Not historically bad but just plain bad. By the end of the year the giants were playing mediocre football. Some weird stat even backs up the claim that the 2018 giants weren’t as bad as the record indicated. But that’s not the point. The point is the actual product, the actual smell test and eye test told us all that the 2018 giants team was in fact better than the 2017 team, and by a pretty wide margin.
We are 6 weeks in to the 2019 season. We have one more win than we had this time last year despite suffering many more brutal and critical injuries. We’re one win better. Hopefully healthy in the weeks ahead we will see this team flirt with 500. The roster is in fact better. The team is in fact younger. We have the young qb that nyg fans couldn’t wait to see.
DG has improved things.
Losing to the cards and sitting at 2-5 won’t feel much different than last season. 3-4 will feel different.
But once Brown got here and Pulley was entrenched at Center, they were much more effective than the first half of 2018.
To my eyes at least, I thought the group that played the last 8 games last year was doing a better job than this current group. That said, this group has faced a bunch of tough defensive fronts. But it is not clear to me at all that this OL is performing better than the second half of last year. Solder has caught whatever disease Flowers had, and Remmers looks just as pathetic as Chad Wheeler. There is more confusion and miscommunication this year, and as a result more trouble picking up stunts and blitzes again.
This year's OL play has been poor!
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He pushed every right button in 2016; something like 8 or 9 of our 11 wins came with the game still in doubt on the final possession. I suspect now that our locker room has been vacated of the losers that McAdoo would be a big step up from Shurmur.
How do "gameday decisions" (2-3 per game) outweigh playcalling (60+ per game)? McAdoo may have been good at the former, but he sucked at the latter. He didn't have to make any gameday decisions in 2017 because his predictable offense couldn't generate enough offense to get them in position.
McAdoo's offense wasn't so much predictable as it was populated by poor players. The offensive line was putrid and Eli's eye level had lowered, which shaped the offense into a short drop, quick pass offense.
And let's be clear on Shurmur...since he's been here his offensive playcalling and management has been horrendous. Setting aside for the moment that he doesn't know when to call timeout or when to punt/go for it, this is the same guy that has underused Barkley in crucial possessions. Remember, he saw fit to run the ball with Penny on 3rd and 1 and roll Eli out on 4th and 1 in Dallas.
The only benefit a Shurmur supporter can point to is that he can "develop" Jones, and the actual meaning/relevance of that is nebulous at best.
And look, it's not too late to have a season. We're 1 game back with 10 to play. If the Giants turn it around and win the division at 10-6 or 9-7 I'll be ecstatic to admit I was wrong - I'd rather be wrong and watch the Giants in a playoff game than right.
But when the Giants finish this season at 6-10 or worse, Shurmur should be out on his ass the day after the last game.
Solder, What choice did he have after Norwell signed?
Stewart, No but why whine about this?
2018 Draft Hell yes, we could not afford to miss at 2, we did not.
OBJ signing, right call, did not overpay. No way to know he was going to basically ask out of town months after he signed deal.
Vernon Trade HELL YES
OBJ HELL YES
2019 Draft LOVE IT
Guy beat cancer and bleeds Giant Blue, I think he loves the team, more than a job to him. I like him and will look for reasons to defend him rather than bitch about him.
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He pushed every right button in 2016; something like 8 or 9 of our 11 wins came with the game still in doubt on the final possession. I suspect now that our locker room has been vacated of the losers that McAdoo would be a big step up from Shurmur.
How do "gameday decisions" (2-3 per game) outweigh playcalling (60+ per game)? McAdoo may have been good at the former, but he sucked at the latter. He didn't have to make any gameday decisions in 2017 because his predictable offense couldn't generate enough offense to get them in position.
McAdoo's offense wasn't so much predictable as it was populated by poor players. The offensive line was putrid and Eli's eye level had lowered, which shaped the offense into a short drop, quick pass offense.
And let's be clear on Shurmur...since he's been here his offensive playcalling and management has been horrendous. Setting aside for the moment that he doesn't know when to call timeout or when to punt/go for it, this is the same guy that has underused Barkley in crucial possessions. Remember, he saw fit to run the ball with Penny on 3rd and 1 and roll Eli out on 4th and 1 in Dallas.
The only benefit a Shurmur supporter can point to is that he can "develop" Jones, and the actual meaning/relevance of that is nebulous at best.
And look, it's not too late to have a season. We're 1 game back with 10 to play. If the Giants turn it around and win the division at 10-6 or 9-7 I'll be ecstatic to admit I was wrong - I'd rather be wrong and watch the Giants in a playoff game than right.
But when the Giants finish this season at 6-10 or worse, Shurmur should be out on his ass the day after the last game.
Regarding Shurmur, what bothers me most is that the players to often look confused and unsure of what their responsibilities are. The game plans seem very vanilla, and I never see the team adjust. Overall, the players and the coaching staff seem ill-prepared for games.
I'll give you a Bill B. - maybe McVay ... who ya got?
I think Jones Mania has deluded everyone into acknowledging or forgetting, this team has not won a lot of games this year just like last year. Has DJ proved he can play well against top defenses at this stage if ever? Is signing Tate for 20 mil supposed to make up for trading Odell for Peppers? Your rebuilding OK, send Eli home in the off season and retain some of your talent on D. He is obviously throwing a bunch of s--t against the wall and seeing if it sticks. He acquired a few good guys on D but come on - -this guy is ridiculous.
Such a huge post fail, it's embarrassing.
Question 1, answer is emphatic yes.
Question 2, Tate's deal is very reasonable and he's a good player. And further, the deal wasn't Odell for Peppers, it was Odell for Peppers, Dexter Lawrence, and Oshane Ximines, so yeah, it was a GREAT deal for the Giants.
This guy is ridiculous? He's basically killed it since he got here, the only missteps were a couple of free agency signings that didn't work out that almost everyone cheered when they were made, like Omameh. He traded JPP and he got back B.J. Hill (already a win) and Lauletta (you can't hit on 'em all) with the picks that came back in return.
He rightly let Collins walk. No GM bats 1.000, but he's greatly improved this team's future and present, and I think the team is in great hands.
But once Brown got here and Pulley was entrenched at Center, they were much more effective than the first half of 2018.
To my eyes at least, I thought the group that played the last 8 games last year was doing a better job than this current group. That said, this group has faced a bunch of tough defensive fronts. But it is not clear to me at all that this OL is performing better than the second half of last year. Solder has caught whatever disease Flowers had, and Remmers looks just as pathetic as Chad Wheeler. There is more confusion and miscommunication this year, and as a result more trouble picking up stunts and blitzes again.
This year's OL play has been poor!
It hasn't been as bad as you have said. It looked really bad against the Vikings. And Remmers and Solder have struggled at times (especially in that game), but in no way are there anywhere as near as bad as Flowers and Wheeler. Remmers is much, much better than Chad Wheeler. And Solder is a league average starting LT at this point, while Flowers isn't even a starting tackle at all.
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This guy sounded like a clown on draft night. What has changed?
I think Jones Mania has deluded everyone into acknowledging or forgetting, this team has not won a lot of games this year just like last year. Has DJ proved he can play well against top defenses at this stage if ever? Is signing Tate for 20 mil supposed to make up for trading Odell for Peppers? Your rebuilding OK, send Eli home in the off season and retain some of your talent on D. He is obviously throwing a bunch of s--t against the wall and seeing if it sticks. He acquired a few good guys on D but come on - -this guy is ridiculous.
Such a huge post fail, it's embarrassing.
Question 1, answer is emphatic yes.
Question 2, Tate's deal is very reasonable and he's a good player. And further, the deal wasn't Odell for Peppers, it was Odell for Peppers, Dexter Lawrence, and Oshane Ximines, so yeah, it was a GREAT deal for the Giants.
This guy is ridiculous? He's basically killed it since he got here, the only missteps were a couple of free agency signings that didn't work out that almost everyone cheered when they were made, like Omameh. He traded JPP and he got back B.J. Hill (already a win) and Lauletta (you can't hit on 'em all) with the picks that came back in return.
He rightly let Collins walk. No GM bats 1.000, but he's greatly improved this team's future and present, and I think the team is in great hands.
You are answering Q#1 emphatically yes? Not me. I like Jones' potential but that is all he is right now. He hasn't demonstrated yet that he can learn from his mistakes and be a consistent thrower of the ball in tough situations. When he demonstrates these key traits then I will answer YES to #!.
Solder, What choice did he have after Norwell signed?
Stewart, No but why whine about this?
2018 Draft Hell yes, we could not afford to miss at 2, we did not.
OBJ signing, right call, did not overpay. No way to know he was going to basically ask out of town months after he signed deal.
Vernon Trade HELL YES
OBJ HELL YES
2019 Draft LOVE IT
Guy beat cancer and bleeds Giant Blue, I think he loves the team, more than a job to him. I like him and will look for reasons to defend him rather than bitch about him.
Absolutely!!
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This guy sounded like a clown on draft night. What has changed?
I think Jones Mania has deluded everyone into acknowledging or forgetting, this team has not won a lot of games this year just like last year. Has DJ proved he can play well against top defenses at this stage if ever? Is signing Tate for 20 mil supposed to make up for trading Odell for Peppers? Your rebuilding OK, send Eli home in the off season and retain some of your talent on D. He is obviously throwing a bunch of s--t against the wall and seeing if it sticks. He acquired a few good guys on D but come on - -this guy is ridiculous.
Such a huge post fail, it's embarrassing.
Question 1, answer is emphatic yes.
Question 2, Tate's deal is very reasonable and he's a good player. And further, the deal wasn't Odell for Peppers, it was Odell for Peppers, Dexter Lawrence, and Oshane Ximines, so yeah, it was a GREAT deal for the Giants.
This guy is ridiculous? He's basically killed it since he got here, the only missteps were a couple of free agency signings that didn't work out that almost everyone cheered when they were made, like Omameh. He traded JPP and he got back B.J. Hill (already a win) and Lauletta (you can't hit on 'em all) with the picks that came back in return.
He rightly let Collins walk. No GM bats 1.000, but he's greatly improved this team's future and present, and I think the team is in great hands.
You are answering Q#1 emphatically yes? Not me. I like Jones' potential but that is all he is right now. He hasn't demonstrated yet that he can learn from his mistakes and be a consistent thrower of the ball in tough situations. When he demonstrates these key traits then I will answer YES to #!.
You need to watch the film of the Vikings and Pats games and get back to me. It's an emphatic YES. He absolutely was a consistent thrower of the ball in tough situations. If anyone denies this, they don't know what they are watching or just haven't watched the film.
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This guy sounded like a clown on draft night. What has changed?
I think Jones Mania has deluded everyone into acknowledging or forgetting, this team has not won a lot of games this year just like last year. Has DJ proved he can play well against top defenses at this stage if ever? Is signing Tate for 20 mil supposed to make up for trading Odell for Peppers? Your rebuilding OK, send Eli home in the off season and retain some of your talent on D. He is obviously throwing a bunch of s--t against the wall and seeing if it sticks. He acquired a few good guys on D but come on - -this guy is ridiculous.
Such a huge post fail, it's embarrassing.
Question 1, answer is emphatic yes.
Question 2, Tate's deal is very reasonable and he's a good player. And further, the deal wasn't Odell for Peppers, it was Odell for Peppers, Dexter Lawrence, and Oshane Ximines, so yeah, it was a GREAT deal for the Giants.
This guy is ridiculous? He's basically killed it since he got here, the only missteps were a couple of free agency signings that didn't work out that almost everyone cheered when they were made, like Omameh. He traded JPP and he got back B.J. Hill (already a win) and Lauletta (you can't hit on 'em all) with the picks that came back in return.
He rightly let Collins walk. No GM bats 1.000, but he's greatly improved this team's future and present, and I think the team is in great hands.
You are answering Q#1 emphatically yes? Not me. I like Jones' potential but that is all he is right now. He hasn't demonstrated yet that he can learn from his mistakes and be a consistent thrower of the ball in tough situations. When he demonstrates these key traits then I will answer YES to #!.
You need to watch the film of the Vikings and Pats games and get back to me. It's an emphatic YES. He absolutely was a consistent thrower of the ball in tough situations. If anyone denies this, they don't know what they are watching or just haven't watched the film.
Well I am glad it was consistent. I am not even sure what that means ... seems to me it was a rough night the whole time. Question 1 is why this guy looked so clownish on draft night?
He could not answer basic questions about picking Jones at 6. He has shown a complete lack of any kind of plan for this team going forward. He mentioned DJ and Eli might be in a QB competition. Then he mentioned being in a Green Bay / Rogers situation. Rogers sat for 3 years. Reporters rightfully asked him again why Jones at 6 if you are not going to play him for 3 years. This guy is basically sounds like an idiot. He has a JV defense that are bad tacklers in a pro league! This isn't college football. Somehow letting Collins go was a good idea? Peppers, Dexter Lawrence, and Oshane Ximines is really a good trade? Bringing back Eli and having him ride pine for 10mil is a good idea? I mean this is like the twilight zone. oh yeah not to mention this team is 2-4. There's that also.
Fassel won coach of the year his very first year and won the NFC East (1997).
Coughlin went 11-5 in his 2nd year with this team and from 2005-2011 proceeded to make the playoffs 5 of 7 years (including a year they went 10-6 and MISSED the playoffs).
I have no idea why people are so content to say "we have to be patient, of course we're going to lose the first 3-4 years of this regime, because this is a 'serious' and 'real' rebuild" or whatever.
Not really. The contracts that end up not counting are all league minimum, and that's pretty much the case for every team.
McAdoo's offense wasn't so much predictable as it was populated by poor players. The offensive line was putrid and Eli's eye level had lowered, which shaped the offense into a short drop, quick pass offense.
And let's be clear on Shurmur...since he's been here his offensive playcalling and management has been horrendous. Setting aside for the moment that he doesn't know when to call timeout or when to punt/go for it, this is the same guy that has underused Barkley in crucial possessions. Remember, he saw fit to run the ball with Penny on 3rd and 1 and roll Eli out on 4th and 1 in Dallas.
The only benefit a Shurmur supporter can point to is that he can "develop" Jones, and the actual meaning/relevance of that is nebulous at best.
And look, it's not too late to have a season. We're 1 game back with 10 to play. If the Giants turn it around and win the division at 10-6 or 9-7 I'll be ecstatic to admit I was wrong - I'd rather be wrong and watch the Giants in a playoff game than right.
But when the Giants finish this season at 6-10 or worse, Shurmur should be out on his ass the day after the last game.
This is an interesting post in a few ways.
I think McAdoo was ahead of the curve on Eli and saw the decline sooner than most. So he drafted an offense that got the ball out of Eli's hand sooner. Remember, Eli only got sacked 21X in 2016 when we qualified for the playoffs. In fact, I think that was one of the lowest sacks totals ever in Eli's career.
Unfortunately, the wheels came off in 2017 largely due to injuries; and then the mob ganged up on McAdoo because he looked funny, had the personality of a door stop, and saw the opportunity to try something new at QB.
While I'm mostly agnostic on Shurmur as the HC, I am eager to see him coach this team with a full arsenal. An arsenal that should give plenty of play-calling flexibility and chance to really pressure defenses. I give him a mulligan last year because it's fairly clear Eli was forced into his lap. And he had to play the good soldier and go along with Corporate...
It's a tough schedule from here to the finish line. I have no idea what to expect from the D, but I think this O can vastly improve on the current 18.5PPG. And that could make a lot of difference in these games...
Fassel won coach of the year his very first year and won the NFC East (1997).
Coughlin went 11-5 in his 2nd year with this team and from 2005-2011 proceeded to make the playoffs 5 of 7 years (including a year they went 10-6 and MISSED the playoffs).
I have no idea why people are so content to say "we have to be patient, of course we're going to lose the first 3-4 years of this regime, because this is a 'serious' and 'real' rebuild" or whatever.
Because, due to Jones ( Which gettleman is responsible for...) The giants appear to be avoiding... OK if you wanna hate on Eli, coming out of... The Brown, Kannell, Graham years.
The error was pointed up with the understanding that there's work to be done to finalize a contending roster.