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With NFC East so tight should Gettleman look for trades?

JerryNicklebag : 10/14/2019 11:33 am
With the division being so tight, the Giants only one game back, the Cowboys suddenly looking very beatable and the Eagles defense being unable to cover deep, should Gettleman start into talks to fill holes now rather than later?

Over the next few weeks there will be more than a few teams looking to trade veteran starters to stock up on picks for next year. If the Giants win this week they will pull even with either Dallas or Philly after one of them loses next Sunday night. Perhaps the time is now to look around the league for players that would be free agent targets, fill the holes and at least make a run at a wild card spot and maybe even the division?

My opinion hinges on this week. If we win and DJ continues to look good, why not go pick up a few players and try to be competitive now? If we lose then I think we stay the course and hope for another good off-season.

What are your thoughts BBI?
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DJ continues to look good?  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 11:37 am : link
I'm a big DJ fan but come on. He has gotten worse every game.
Really depends how we do the next two weeks. Lose both we should  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/14/2019 11:37 am : link
be sellers, split I wouldn't have an issue with them moving JJ, win both clearly should hold onto JJ. The biggest problem is that the most obvious place for JJ is Philly and I doubt that happens.
Only if the trade  
djstat : 10/14/2019 11:37 am : link
Is with a long term vision, not a quick fix for this year only.
Nothing should be done that he woudln't do long term anyway  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 11:37 am : link
This team isn't a contender. If we win an awful NFCE with an 8-8 record it doesn't mean much except it will be fun.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2019 11:41 am : link
With all due respect, I don't think you have a good feel for the state of this team.

This is not a contending team. Even if by some miracle it made the playoffs (highly unlikely), it would get bounced immediately.

We have a ton of 2020 offseason needs and you want to trade away draft picks? That's how the Giants stayed bad in the 1970s.
I am not sure I get  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2019 11:41 am : link
the narrative of DJ getting worse? The Vikings and Patriots are far superior defenses and we are minus our superstar TB, missing our #1 WR, missing our #1 TE and our #2 RB and we played both those defenses in the span of 4 days and one game in not so great conditions.
BTW Trades  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2019 11:42 am : link
YES, I think we should trade but we should be sending guys and getting picks, not the other way around.
Giants will be sellers  
PEEJ : 10/14/2019 11:42 am : link
not buyers
I don't change course  
Matt in SGS : 10/14/2019 11:43 am : link
the Giants are ahead of schedule in getting ready for 2020 because they got Jones playing in Week 3. Let's not forget, that the Giants are a missed chip shot in Tampa from being 1-5. The defense is slowly playing better with a stronger pass rush and I'd hope the Giants play Love, Beal and Ballentine more.

And getting Jones more experience, with expected struggles and that will equal some losses, is worth it to me particularly if we see improvement as the schedule moves along.

The NFC East might come back to the pack, but if I'm Gettleman, I remain a seller to continue to stockpile picks next year. The Giants with another draft and lots of cap space, should be in the playoff next year. If things break right and they are in the hunt in December, it's a bonus.
'the narrative of DJ getting worse?'  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 11:44 am : link
He played worse. Made more mistakes. Threw for less yards and fewer touchdowns. Threw more interceptions. That's worse.

There may be 'reasons' as you cited but he definitely played worse. Is that really debatable?
I agree with Eric  
mattlawson : 10/14/2019 11:45 am : link
And the best thing about the teams' offseason has been the drafts. dont blow draft picks for tomorrow for players that really wont make a difference and we dont need today.
RE: ...  
JerryNicklebag : 10/14/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14628266 Eric from BBI said:
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With all due respect, I don't think you have a good feel for the state of this team.

This is not a contending team. Even if by some miracle it made the playoffs (highly unlikely), it would get bounced immediately.

We have a ton of 2020 offseason needs and you want to trade away draft picks? That's how the Giants stayed bad in the 1970s.


I don't think it's fair to judge how they looked the last 2 weeks with the amount of injuries they have. Not to mention the caliber of teams they played. Minnesota is a good football team and the Patriots, do I even need to say anything? Even with those injuries they hung in there pretty well at least in the first half of that game.

The edge rushing has been much improved but the play on the back end and at ILB has been bad. I have to wonder whether filling a few of those holes makes this a MUCH better team. Maybe even a solid wild card contender.
RE: 'the narrative of DJ getting worse?'  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14628281 Torrag said:
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He played worse. Made more mistakes. Threw for less yards and fewer touchdowns. Threw more interceptions. That's worse.

There may be 'reasons' as you cited but he definitely played worse. Is that really debatable?


Yeah, that is a better way of putting it. He has played worse. Maybe he hasn't gotten worse but he has definitely played worse. The decisions like not throwing the ball away in the red zone and taking an unnecessary sack, rolling to his left and waiting too long to throw it away which led to an interception, etc.
RE: I agree with Eric  
JerryNicklebag : 10/14/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14628282 mattlawson said:
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And the best thing about the teams' offseason has been the drafts. dont blow draft picks for tomorrow for players that really wont make a difference and we dont need today.


If they were able to trade some lower round picks for the right to sign players they were going to target in free agency anyway I would do it. You remove the competition. I'm not talking trading high end picks.
I'd say yes if there are fits that can be had for late round picks  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:51 am : link
why not get a jump on FA. Plenty of teams have been able to make moves (Clowney trade as an example) that will be compensation neutral thanks to likely comp picks. The Jags acquired Dareus a few years ago for a 6th rd pick and signed him long term. Cooper became a core player for Dallas (though I would not endorse trading 1 of our top 3 round picks).

Trades in the NFL have become a great way to get talented players in their early 20's at a relative discount to where you'd have to draft guys of that talent and create leverage to resign them more efficiently than open market UFA prices. I'd have my eye open to former high picks on crappy teams available for mid to late round picks. I would not pay the premium for guys like Tunsil/Cooper/Fitzpatrick that will be expected for a player like Jalen Ramsey. But a 5th or 6th for a former high pick at LB or FS or OL would be a good roll of the dice. Or TE or RB.
RE: RE: 'the narrative of DJ getting worse?'  
JerryNicklebag : 10/14/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14628297 robbieballs2003 said:
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He played worse. Made more mistakes. Threw for less yards and fewer touchdowns. Threw more interceptions. That's worse.

There may be 'reasons' as you cited but he definitely played worse. Is that really debatable?



Yeah, that is a better way of putting it. He has played worse. Maybe he hasn't gotten worse but he has definitely played worse. The decisions like not throwing the ball away in the red zone and taking an unnecessary sack, rolling to his left and waiting too long to throw it away which led to an interception, etc.


You have to agree some of that has to do with not having Barkley, Gallman and Shep. It's hard for any rookie in the NFL, it's way more difficult when pretty much all of your weapons and even their backups are out.
RE: RE: RE: 'the narrative of DJ getting worse?'  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14628303 JerryNicklebag said:
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He played worse. Made more mistakes. Threw for less yards and fewer touchdowns. Threw more interceptions. That's worse.

There may be 'reasons' as you cited but he definitely played worse. Is that really debatable?



Yeah, that is a better way of putting it. He has played worse. Maybe he hasn't gotten worse but he has definitely played worse. The decisions like not throwing the ball away in the red zone and taking an unnecessary sack, rolling to his left and waiting too long to throw it away which led to an interception, etc.



You have to agree some of that has to do with not having Barkley, Gallman and Shep. It's hard for any rookie in the NFL, it's way more difficult when pretty much all of your weapons and even their backups are out.


Yes, of course but bad decisions are bad decisions. None of those plays had to do with who he is playing with. It is about making smart decisions and not forcing things. He admitted to doing so.
If Leonard Williams wants to go from the green side of MetLife  
dpinzow : 10/14/2019 11:54 am : link
To the blue side and something can be worked out, thatís the one trade Iíd seek to improve the team
RE: I'd say yes if there are fits that can be had for late round picks  
JerryNicklebag : 10/14/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14628302 Eric on Li said:
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why not get a jump on FA. Plenty of teams have been able to make moves (Clowney trade as an example) that will be compensation neutral thanks to likely comp picks. The Jags acquired Dareus a few years ago for a 6th rd pick and signed him long term. Cooper became a core player for Dallas (though I would not endorse trading 1 of our top 3 round picks).

Trades in the NFL have become a great way to get talented players in their early 20's at a relative discount to where you'd have to draft guys of that talent and create leverage to resign them more efficiently than open market UFA prices. I'd have my eye open to former high picks on crappy teams available for mid to late round picks. I would not pay the premium for guys like Tunsil/Cooper/Fitzpatrick that will be expected for a player like Jalen Ramsey. But a 5th or 6th for a former high pick at LB or FS or OL would be a good roll of the dice. Or TE or RB.


Exactly. You immediately gain the right to tag the player if you choose to do so. You get a solid look at the player in your system for the rest of the season, no wondering whether there is a fit before paying them big dollars (like Vernon).

To me it seems worth it but again, only if we are able to win this week and if DJ looks like he is making progress.
RE: RE: I agree with Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14628298 JerryNicklebag said:
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And the best thing about the teams' offseason has been the drafts. dont blow draft picks for tomorrow for players that really wont make a difference and we dont need today.



If they were able to trade some lower round picks for the right to sign players they were going to target in free agency anyway I would do it. You remove the competition. I'm not talking trading high end picks.


Darius Slayton is a 5th round pick. Corey Ballentine is a 6th round pick.

Be careful.
As Matt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2019 11:57 am : link
already posted, this team is an easy field goal miss away from 1-5.
RE: Really depends how we do the next two weeks. Lose both we should  
Ira : 10/14/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14628251 Zeke's Alibi said:
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be sellers, split I wouldn't have an issue with them moving JJ, win both clearly should hold onto JJ. The biggest problem is that the most obvious place for JJ is Philly and I doubt that happens.


This is a reasonable approach. If we do win both, I wouldn't mind trading a late day 3 pick for someone good who fits our needs.
RE: DJ continues to look good?  
5BowlsSoon : 10/14/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14628250 robbieballs2003 said:
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I'm a big DJ fan but come on. He has gotten worse every game.


Not true....donít have time to explain. But you can read my many posts on any of the Daniel Jones threads.
RE: RE: I'd say yes if there are fits that can be had for late round picks  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14628317 JerryNicklebag said:
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why not get a jump on FA. Plenty of teams have been able to make moves (Clowney trade as an example) that will be compensation neutral thanks to likely comp picks. The Jags acquired Dareus a few years ago for a 6th rd pick and signed him long term. Cooper became a core player for Dallas (though I would not endorse trading 1 of our top 3 round picks).

Trades in the NFL have become a great way to get talented players in their early 20's at a relative discount to where you'd have to draft guys of that talent and create leverage to resign them more efficiently than open market UFA prices. I'd have my eye open to former high picks on crappy teams available for mid to late round picks. I would not pay the premium for guys like Tunsil/Cooper/Fitzpatrick that will be expected for a player like Jalen Ramsey. But a 5th or 6th for a former high pick at LB or FS or OL would be a good roll of the dice. Or TE or RB.



Exactly. You immediately gain the right to tag the player if you choose to do so. You get a solid look at the player in your system for the rest of the season, no wondering whether there is a fit before paying them big dollars (like Vernon).

To me it seems worth it but again, only if we are able to win this week and if DJ looks like he is making progress.


Wait, we are going to get a player worth the FT or TT for a 5th round pick? No way in hell unless we are talking about a punter. If that was true then the team would just let his contract expire and get a third round compensatory pick.
Micah Fitzpatrick could have filled a huge need  
5BowlsSoon : 10/14/2019 12:00 pm : link
But I think Pitt gave up a 1 and 2 for him, so we couldnít do that.

Maybe there is some decent FS or ILB out there who we can pick up cheaply.
RE: Micah Fitzpatrick could have filled a huge need  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14628330 5BowlsSoon said:
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But I think Pitt gave up a 1 and 2 for him, so we couldnít do that.

Maybe there is some decent FS or ILB out there who we can pick up cheaply.


We have that player already. His name is Julian Love and he needs to get on the field.
RE: RE: RE: I agree with Eric  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14628321 Eric from BBI said:
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And the best thing about the teams' offseason has been the drafts. dont blow draft picks for tomorrow for players that really wont make a difference and we dont need today.



If they were able to trade some lower round picks for the right to sign players they were going to target in free agency anyway I would do it. You remove the competition. I'm not talking trading high end picks.



Darius Slayton is a 5th round pick. Corey Ballentine is a 6th round pick.

Be careful.


And Connelly was a 5th. But they are already going to have a lot of picks next year thanks to the comp picks and the roster crunch is going to get tighter as more and more draft picks work out.

Here's an example - if Arizona's new coaching staff was willing to cash in on Hasaan Reddick for a 4th or 5th just like we were with Eli Apple, and Bettcher still thinks he can be a player, I'd roll the dice.
With New England WR shopping...  
bw in dc : 10/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
I would try to trade Tate to the Pats. And maybe get something reasonable...

And let's go with the youth.
Stick with the plan. Be happy with 7-9 wins and moving in the right  
Ivan15 : 10/14/2019 12:05 pm : link
direction. We will look like the 2018 Browns, but hopefully without the dumb trades for Landry and then Beckham.
Eric on Li  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2019 12:05 pm : link
We have way more needs than draft picks.

And the comp picks have not been set. Every year, the Giants are predicted to get a lot of comp picks. They don't. And worse, the Eagles end up with more than we do.

This team should be 1-5. This is not a contending football team. And trading away draft assets and going on wild spending sprees in free agency is the surest way to make sure we will be bad for 20 years.
RE:Julian Love is the missing link?  
5BowlsSoon : 10/14/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14628335 robbieballs2003 said:
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But I think Pitt gave up a 1 and 2 for him, so we couldnít do that.

Maybe there is some decent FS or ILB out there who we can pick up cheaply.



We have that player already. His name is Julian Love and he needs to get on the field.


Are you being serious Robbie? By all accounts Iíve read, he has been a MAJOR disappointment. Slow and canít even cover the slot receiver. I guess it is taking him some time to learn the safety position. He doesnít give me the impression he can do this well....donít you have to be good at tackling for that position?
RE: DJ continues to look good?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14628250 robbieballs2003 said:
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I'm a big DJ fan but come on. He has gotten worse every game.


This is a strange take given the quality of the last two opponents combined with the absence of his top targets.
RE: Eric on Li  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14628345 Eric from BBI said:
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We have way more needs than draft picks.

And the comp picks have not been set. Every year, the Giants are predicted to get a lot of comp picks. They don't. And worse, the Eagles end up with more than we do.

This team should be 1-5. This is not a contending football team. And trading away draft assets and going on wild spending sprees in free agency is the surest way to make sure we will be bad for 20 years.


Do those needs include high impact talents? Are there usually high impact talents in mid/late rounds?
'This is a strange take'...  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 12:15 pm : link
Why? You think he played better? You want to say he's gaining experience, playing tough opponents, offense is undermanned that's reasonable. It's also reasonable to point out the fact he's played worse. Much worse. Worse in every measurable statistical category for the position.
RE: RE:Julian Love is the missing link?  
Klaatu : 10/14/2019 12:16 pm : link
Ummm...pretty poor choice of words there, skippy. Missing piece, okay. Missing link, not so much.
RE: With New England WR shopping...  
Matt in SGS : 10/14/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14628337 bw in dc said:
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I would try to trade Tate to the Pats. And maybe get something reasonable...

And let's go with the youth.


Now that would be interesting. Not sure about the cap consequences, but I also wonder that with the concussion questions around Shepard, the Giants are going to want to be sure that Jones has targets to work with. Tate netted the Lions a 3rd round pick last year. This year he's a year older and has decent sized contract. So what would you get back for him? A 4th? On the Pats that's basically a 5th rounder. I would just assume keep Tate.
RE: 'This is a strange take'...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14628374 Torrag said:
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Why? You think he played better? You want to say he's gaining experience, playing tough opponents, offense is undermanned that's reasonable. It's also reasonable to point out the fact he's played worse. Much worse. Worse in every measurable statistical category for the position.


You didn't expect him to look worse against the #1 defense in the NFL without his three top weapons? I did. Most people on this site did.

Same thing versus the Vikings.

RE: RE:Julian Love is the missing link?  
robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 12:21 pm : link
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But I think Pitt gave up a 1 and 2 for him, so we couldnít do that.

Maybe there is some decent FS or ILB out there who we can pick up cheaply.



We have that player already. His name is Julian Love and he needs to get on the field.



Are you being serious Robbie? By all accounts Iíve read, he has been a MAJOR disappointment. Slow and canít even cover the slot receiver. I guess it is taking him some time to learn the safety position. He doesnít give me the impression he can do this well....donít you have to be good at tackling for that position?


As Eric has said, we shouldn't be giving up picks. We are still rebuilding. So, get his ass on the field and see what he has before giving up something of value for someone else. Love has a great skill set for FS. Being a FS is not being a slot defender. Two different positions. Why draft him of we aren't going to see what he has? Bethea has been awful. We have Baker, Jenkins, Ballentine, Beal etc at corner. Why draft Love to just bury him on the depth chart? Oh, did I say Bethea has been brutal this year?
'You didn't expect him to look worse'...  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 12:26 pm : link
That's reasonable but again it's also fair to point out he's played MUCH worse imo. Like night and day worse. Last time I checked good QB's can play well vs good defenses. Not against the rules correct? It has happened before in the NFL right? If he'd come out and done so we'd give him the credit for it? So for me there's also nothing wrong in pointing out he actually played quite bad.
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Ned In Atlanta : 10/14/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14628266 Eric from BBI said:
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With all due respect, I don't think you have a good feel for the state of this team.

This is not a contending team. Even if by some miracle it made the playoffs (highly unlikely), it would get bounced immediately.

We have a ton of 2020 offseason needs and you want to trade away draft picks? That's how the Giants stayed bad in the 1970s.


Is it really unfathomable? The front office has preached "retool, not rebuild" behind Qbs whose skill set took a precipitous nose dive. I hope they trade FOR draft picks, but nothing would shock me
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robbieballs2003 : 10/14/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14628385 Eric from BBI said:
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Why? You think he played better? You want to say he's gaining experience, playing tough opponents, offense is undermanned that's reasonable. It's also reasonable to point out the fact he's played worse. Much worse. Worse in every measurable statistical category for the position.



You didn't expect him to look worse against the #1 defense in the NFL without his three top weapons? I did. Most people on this site did.

Same thing versus the Vikings.


Eric, as I pointed out earlier, it is more than just the stats. The decisions he made when he had time to make them like the two I referenced are easily preventable. They are learning points but that doesn't change the fact that he has played worse. When he started we all started saying that this is why Eli needed to be benched because he gave us something we have been missing. If Eli plays against Tampa I don't believe we win. However, if Eli was playing against the Pat's I could have seen us winning that game. There were many time where I said to myself that we'd have a better shot with Eli than DJ.

This doesn't mean that I don't like DJ. I already stated I am a big fan. However, called a spade a spade. He played worse every game imo. And it doesn't have to do with throwing more interceptions. I can live with those. We did with Eli. It is about some poor decisions that he wasn't making early on that were preventable. We aren't talking about making a poor throw in wind. We are talking about simple things like knowing when a play is dead, throw it away, and live to fight another down or series.
Crazy  
Thegratefulhead : 10/14/2019 12:31 pm : link
You make trades when you think you can win a championship. We will not win the superbowl this year. Repeat that to yourself one thousand times. I would make trades that help us next year. I would consider trading Golden and JAckrabbit. Both could help a contending team. Golden is a FA next year anyway, if we could get a second for him, I would do it.
I'd consider giving JJ away...  
BillKo : 10/14/2019 12:33 pm : link
..out of division if it garnered a decent draft pick (4th or 5th). Not sure you'd get higher.

Don't exactly know the cap situation either with his trade.

I think I'd hold to Tate just to help out DJ, which is essential to this season. It's really all about getting DJ experience and Tate is a great asset for a young QB. Esp with SS just a solid hit away from another concussion.
RE: RE: RE: 'This is a strange take'...  
Thegratefulhead : 10/14/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14628402 robbieballs2003 said:
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Why? You think he played better? You want to say he's gaining experience, playing tough opponents, offense is undermanned that's reasonable. It's also reasonable to point out the fact he's played worse. Much worse. Worse in every measurable statistical category for the position.



You didn't expect him to look worse against the #1 defense in the NFL without his three top weapons? I did. Most people on this site did.

Same thing versus the Vikings.




Eric, as I pointed out earlier, it is more than just the stats. The decisions he made when he had time to make them like the two I referenced are easily preventable. They are learning points but that doesn't change the fact that he has played worse. When he started we all started saying that this is why Eli needed to be benched because he gave us something we have been missing. If Eli plays against Tampa I don't believe we win. However, if Eli was playing against the Pat's I could have seen us winning that game. There were many time where I said to myself that we'd have a better shot with Eli than DJ.

This doesn't mean that I don't like DJ. I already stated I am a big fan. However, called a spade a spade. He played worse every game imo. And it doesn't have to do with throwing more interceptions. I can live with those. We did with Eli. It is about some poor decisions that he wasn't making early on that were preventable. We aren't talking about making a poor throw in wind. We are talking about simple things like knowing when a play is dead, throw it away, and live to fight another down or series.
Eli was not beating the Pats...FFS. He would have had even more turnovers, there was zero separation and pressure up the gut.

When was the last time Eli played well under those conditions? Holy shit, people are nuts.
Oh man  
JonC : 10/14/2019 12:43 pm : link
This is looking like a 5-6 win team but some want to trade away precious future resources now.
This isn't baseball.  
allstarjim : 10/14/2019 12:45 pm : link
Stay the course, keep building through the draft.
Instead of looking at Jones' mistakes  
PEEJ : 10/14/2019 12:50 pm : link
look at the passes he completed. I don't think the Giants had an "open" receiver all night. He fit some passes into some very tight places and that was the only choice he had
RE: Crazy  
JerryNicklebag : 10/14/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14628413 Thegratefulhead said:
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You make trades when you think you can win a championship. We will not win the superbowl this year. Repeat that to yourself one thousand times. I would make trades that help us next year. I would consider trading Golden and JAckrabbit. Both could help a contending team. Golden is a FA next year anyway, if we could get a second for him, I would do it.


Totally aware that this team is not a SB contender, however with a few more pieces I do believe they could be in the mix for a Wildcard. (yes, I know i'm overly positive in my view of this team) I think that it could help change the mentality of the locker room going forward, being a losing club vs. a winning one.

Like I previously said, I would definitely not do this unless they show something over the next week or two once they get healthy. If they flop vs. Arizona, you stay the course. If they win and look good doing it, I would start looking at one or two vets that we would target in FA anyway. If they could be had for a 5th or below, why not secure the right to 1.) Get a good look at the product before you buy it and 2.) Secure negotiating rights?

I'm not sure if any of this is possible. Just throwing it out there for some good discussion which I think we are seeing here. Thanks folks!
And DJ isn't playing worse  
allstarjim : 10/14/2019 12:54 pm : link
His stats are worse, sure, but that doesn't mean he's playing worse. Interceptions off tipped balls doesn't mean he made an errant pass. A lot of drops in the past few games, too...A LOT. Those are being reflected in a lot of different numbers.

I've seen most of his throws get into very tight coverage in the past two games. Not to say he hasn't made mistakes, but he's played pretty well and very consistently since taking over as starter.

The Patriots game the Pats secondary were ALL OVER our guys. That is the best coverage game I've seen of a defensive unit in the NFL in all my years watching. I've seen that in college, but not at the NFL level before...except, let me take that back...the last time I saw coverage like that was the Giants-Ravens Super Bowl.
The second pick was all on DJ and you can chalk that shit up to  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/14/2019 12:54 pm : link
a rookie mistake and guys being bigger and faster in NFL. The first pick I take issue with what they did schematically with the tight splits unless Ellison fucked up the route and the third he got straight fooled, but PS could help out his rookie QB with some motion so that shit doesn't happen. He dropped balls into very tight windows all night. Are people that delusional to think Eli would have made the difference? We wouldn't even have moved the ball. Bills part 2 except with even more sacks.
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