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NGT - Olivier Vernon 2019

djstat : 10/14/2019 11:36 am
Base Salary: $15.25 Million

6 games Started

11 Solo Tackles
4 Assists
1 Sack


Cap number had he not been traded/cut would have been $19.25 Million.

Great trade getting his contract off the books


great trade indeed but he did also have a FF yesterday  
Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:39 am : link
that almost got the Browns back into the game. He's a solid but unspectacular player at a position that's hard to find.
I’m Really Glad He’s No Longer A Giant  
Trainmaster : 10/14/2019 11:39 am : link
For football and non football reasons.
At that price he wasnt worth it  
mattlawson : 10/14/2019 11:41 am : link
I did not mind the signing in the beginning. he was a good player. two way DE's are not a dime a dozen
Statistics do not always tell the full story  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/14/2019 11:50 am : link
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arcarsenal : 10/14/2019 11:51 am : link
Vernon is a good player.

The only issue was that the Giants paid him like he was a great one.
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 10/14/2019 11:53 am : link
much rather have Zeitler and Golden than Vernon.
RE: At that price he wasnt worth it  
mrvax : 10/14/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14628269 mattlawson said:
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I did not mind the signing in the beginning. he was a good player. two way DE's are not a dime a dozen


I admit I loved the initial signing. OV was young and coming off an incredible 1/2 season in Miami. Coincidence- Just a few days ago I too looked up OV and was happy to see that he didn't magically turn into a beast.
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Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14628301 arcarsenal said:
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Vernon is a good player.

The only issue was that the Giants paid him like he was a great one.


Desperation signing by Reese that actually came reasonably close to working out.
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arcarsenal : 10/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14628320 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14628301 arcarsenal said:


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Vernon is a good player.

The only issue was that the Giants paid him like he was a great one.



Desperation signing by Reese that actually came reasonably close to working out.


Yep - we've spent money on much worse players.

Vernon was actually fantastic in 2016. Really good year from him. Just a lot of injuries and stuff that hampered him and he never totally broke out the way I think Reese was hoping he would.

Winding up with Zeitler is a fine 'consolation' prize for me.
The only trade that looks bad right now  
CMicks3110 : 10/14/2019 12:04 pm : link
is the Eli Apple for 4th and 7th rounder. Apple is a much better player than Baker. I don't think Baker has the physical traits to be anything more than an average CB, and certainly doesn't look worthy of being a first rounder. But the other trades have looked pretty good. Snacks has been awful in Detroit, Vernon eh in Cleveland. Beckham has not been a game changer in Cleveland.
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smshmth8690 : 10/14/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14628301 arcarsenal said:
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Vernon is a good player.

The only issue was that the Giants paid him like he was a great one.


Exactly, I'm sure the thought was that he was going to become great. I liked the signing at the time, but he sure did have trouble staying on the field. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'm glad they moved him.
it's crazy to me  
ryanmkeane : 10/14/2019 12:08 pm : link
that there's a new thread on Vernon it seems every week...i think every single Giants fan alive is somewhat glad he is not on the team anymore
Aaron Rodgers could still be sitting in the pocket from the 2016 game  
Go Terps : 10/14/2019 12:08 pm : link
Vernon's Giant career was summarized by Al Michaels's reaction to the contract Vernon received: "Him?"

Right out of Arrested Development.
Vernon  
WillVAB : 10/14/2019 12:09 pm : link
Is a coach killer type player and a guy that gives the fan base a false sense of hope about their team.

The guy simply doesn’t make enough plays to be anywhere near his salary.

He’ll lose you plenty of games as well — see Dallas last year and niners this year off the top of my head.
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Eric on Li : 10/14/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14628334 arcarsenal said:
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Yep - we've spent money on much worse players.

Vernon was actually fantastic in 2016. Really good year from him. Just a lot of injuries and stuff that hampered him and he never totally broke out the way I think Reese was hoping he would.

Winding up with Zeitler is a fine 'consolation' prize for me.


Exactly how I feel. As many threads as there have been on Vernon the far more crippling moves over the years were guys like Schwartz and Beason who literally never played and weren't even that good when they did play. Reese screwed the pooch long before BBI turned so salty and scorned, I guess that's why everyone became so salty and scorned.
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Big Blue '56 : 10/14/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14628301 arcarsenal said:
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Vernon is a good player.

The only issue was that the Giants paid him like he was a great one.


And even as a “good” player I would have been fine with the contract if he could just stay on the field or be healthy enough to perform at HIS top efficiency
RE: The only trade that looks bad right now  
Nick in LA : 10/14/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14628340 CMicks3110 said:
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is the Eli Apple for 4th and 7th rounder. Apple is a much better player than Baker. I don't think Baker has the physical traits to be anything more than an average CB, and certainly doesn't look worthy of being a first rounder. But the other trades have looked pretty good. Snacks has been awful in Detroit, Vernon eh in Cleveland. Beckham has not been a game changer in Cleveland.


Baker has played 6 games in the NFL at one of the hardest positions to transition from college. Give it a fucking rest.
RE: RE: The only trade that looks bad right now  
section125 : 10/14/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14628404 Nick in LA said:
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In comment 14628340 CMicks3110 said:


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is the Eli Apple for 4th and 7th rounder. Apple is a much better player than Baker. I don't think Baker has the physical traits to be anything more than an average CB, and certainly doesn't look worthy of being a first rounder. But the other trades have looked pretty good. Snacks has been awful in Detroit, Vernon eh in Cleveland. Beckham has not been a game changer in Cleveland.



Baker has played 6 games in the NFL at one of the hardest positions to transition from college. Give it a fucking rest.


and, quite frankly, has gotten better each week. IMV, he is as good as Apple only 1/2 season in.
He’s also managed to continue his career  
mfsd : 10/14/2019 1:07 pm : link
without crying about Gettleman and the Giants every time someone sticks a mic in front of him
He owes the league $10k  
NINEster : 10/14/2019 1:11 pm : link
for punching Jimmy G in the face.
Glad he is gone ....  
Bluesbreaker : 10/14/2019 1:33 pm : link
and kneeling elsewhere .
I didn’t want to just cut Vernon  
djm : 10/14/2019 1:48 pm : link
And I said so. Cutting him and taking that cap hit while getting nothing in return would have been tough to swallow even if the cut was a wise move. The fact we got Zietler and virtually paved the way for the Beckham deal validated this trade big time.
RE: The only trade that looks bad right now  
Vanzetti : 10/14/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14628340 CMicks3110 said:
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is the Eli Apple for 4th and 7th rounder. Apple is a much better player than Baker. I don't think Baker has the physical traits to be anything more than an average CB, and certainly doesn't look worthy of being a first rounder. But the other trades have looked pretty good. Snacks has been awful in Detroit, Vernon eh in Cleveland. Beckham has not been a game changer in Cleveland.


But Apple was a head case. Maybe he has matured but at the time his behavior lowered his value. I agree he has way better tools than Bskrt
RE: He owes the league $10k  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14628471 NINEster said:
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for punching Jimmy G in the face.


I hope he got some sort of reprimand for that.
RE: Statistics do not always tell the full story  
djstat : 10/14/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14628299 DC Gmen Fan said:
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THey sure do based on how he has played since 2016. High Dollar and low reward
RE: RE: RE: The only trade that looks bad right now  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/14/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14628440 section125 said:
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In comment 14628404 Nick in LA said:


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In comment 14628340 CMicks3110 said:


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is the Eli Apple for 4th and 7th rounder. Apple is a much better player than Baker. I don't think Baker has the physical traits to be anything more than an average CB, and certainly doesn't look worthy of being a first rounder. But the other trades have looked pretty good. Snacks has been awful in Detroit, Vernon eh in Cleveland. Beckham has not been a game changer in Cleveland.



Baker has played 6 games in the NFL at one of the hardest positions to transition from college. Give it a fucking rest.



and, quite frankly, has gotten better each week. IMV, he is as good as Apple only 1/2 season in.


Seriously, this is arguable, if not just wrong. It can be argued that Apple is the only weak player on a really good Saints defense.
RE: I’m Really Glad He’s No Longer A Giant  
nicks14 : 10/14/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14628261 Trainmaster said:
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For football and non football reasons.


I bet smh!! What crime off the field did Vernon commit?? I'm glad him and Beckham are gone because it's not like they helped us win but this off field shit is nonsense.
Vernon was most definitely never ''fantastic'' as a Giant  
Overseer : 10/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
even in 2016. Go back and read some of Eric's reviews in 2016 (or watch highlights from the Packers game) where he notes how invisible Vernon was. Shoulder (IIRC?) injury early on, to be fair. Not much better as the year went on, certainly not "fantastic".

Fans of a team with D-lineman like Strahan, Tuck, Linval, 2011 JPP (to say nothing of the 80s players...) should be able to recognize what a "fantastic" D-lineman is. I would even take 2008 hand in dirt Kiwanuka over Vernon. He had some bigtime sacks that year in Osi's stead...2.5 in that epic @ Pittsburgh win.

Terrible signing from a desperate GM. That contract was obscene. Although it is continually hilarious that several of BBI's robotic mental slugs take issue more with his (non-violent) activism on the sideline than his ineffectual play on the field. His father, by the way, was 25 year Miami PD so OV probably could offer a fairly nuanced & compelling interpretation of the issue he (again, non-violently) brought light upon.

RE: Vernon was most definitely never ''fantastic'' as a Giant  
nicks14 : 10/14/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14628623 Overseer said:
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even in 2016. Go back and read some of Eric's reviews in 2016 (or watch highlights from the Packers game) where he notes how invisible Vernon was. Shoulder (IIRC?) injury early on, to be fair. Not much better as the year went on, certainly not "fantastic".

Fans of a team with D-lineman like Strahan, Tuck, Linval, 2011 JPP (to say nothing of the 80s players...) should be able to recognize what a "fantastic" D-lineman is. I would even take 2008 hand in dirt Kiwanuka over Vernon. He had some bigtime sacks that year in Osi's stead...2.5 in that epic @ Pittsburgh win.

Exactly I disliked the guy because of his underperformance. His Protest didn't break any laws and the fact that his dad is cop says enough for me. I used to be a huge football fan but knowing how bigoted the NFL fans are turned me off. There was no place for a political protest not the NFL time I agree but the only reason most NFL fans were pissed off was because of what the protest was about.

Terrible signing from a desperate GM. That contract was obscene. Although it is continually hilarious that several of BBI's robotic mental slugs take issue more with his (non-violent) activism on the sideline than his ineffectual play on the field. His father, by the way, was 25 year Miami PD so OV probably could offer a fairly nuanced & compelling interpretation of the issue he (again, non-violently) brought light upon.
NYG are 2-4  
Leg of Theismann : 10/14/2019 5:01 pm : link
Let's forget about Beckham, Vernon, etc. and focus on what we have here and now.
RE: Vernon  
Ivan15 : 10/14/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14628357 WillVAB said:
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Is a coach killer type player and a guy that gives the fan base a false sense of hope about their team.

The guy simply doesn’t make enough plays to be anywhere near his salary.

He’ll lose you plenty of games as well — see Dallas last year and niners this year off the top of my head.


Vernon is not a coach killer. May be a GM killer though.
Eli Apple is much better than Baker?  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2019 7:55 pm : link
hahaha. This site always provides a good laugh.
RE: Unpatriotic communist agitator look at me virtue signaler  
Default : 10/14/2019 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14628731 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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should play in the NBA.


RE: Eli Apple is much better than Baker?  
BigBlueinDE : 10/14/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14628858 UConn4523 said:
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hahaha. This site always

provides a good laugh.



My thoughts exactly.
RE: RE: Eli Apple is much better than Baker?  
Bluesbreaker : 10/15/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14628937 BigBlueinDE said:
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hahaha. This site always

My money is on Baker !!!!!

provides a good laugh.




My thoughts exactly.
Another reason why PFF is garbage  
Anakim : 10/21/2019 12:02 pm : link
Matt Lombardo
@MattLombardoNFL
Olivier Vernon is the No. 20 ranked EDGE defender in the #NFL, according to
@pff
. Vernon has 15 tackles, one sack and a 76.4 overall grade. #Giants' highest-ranked EDGE is Lorenzo Carter at No. 55 with a 66.1 grade.
oh, we're on to the stage where we're flailing about  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2019 12:05 pm : link
trying to find something to feel good about since the Giants are a flaming bag of dogshit.
RE: Another reason why PFF is garbage  
section125 : 10/21/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14638768 Anakim said:
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Matt Lombardo
@MattLombardoNFL
Olivier Vernon is the No. 20 ranked EDGE defender in the #NFL, according to
@pff
. Vernon has 15 tackles, one sack and a 76.4 overall grade. #Giants' highest-ranked EDGE is Lorenzo Carter at No. 55 with a 66.1 grade.


Carter rated higher than Golden???
RE: oh, we're on to the stage where we're flailing about  
jcn56 : 10/21/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14638773 Greg from LI said:
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trying to find something to feel good about since the Giants are a flaming bag of dogshit.


On your way out of the thread, please set the BBI toggle for PFF to 'it sucks'. It was on 'look what PFF said!' yesterday.
Golden:  
section125 : 10/21/2019 12:10 pm : link
20 tackles (27 total)
7 assists
5 sacks
RE: Golden:  
Anakim : 10/21/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14638786 section125 said:
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20 tackles (27 total)
7 assists
5 sacks


But he has a shitty PFF grade so he must suck
RE: RE: Golden:  
section125 : 10/21/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14638789 Anakim said:
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27 total
12 solo
15 assists
5 sacks



But he has a shitty PFF grade so he must suck


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