A few notes on the NFC East and draft order

Too early to worry about either

You are a madman.

But it’s way too early for draft order. Wait till week 12.

Good info.

stuff Ray.

peer.
For football people, that is.

you're a BBI asset Ray!

In comment 14628741 Big Blue '56 said:

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stuff Ray.

Thank you BB. Been 15 years since you had your "Coughlin 1" jersey up in Albany. (Am I right about that?)

Would lose a tiebreak in playoff hunt?


I understand the affect it would have losing for draft order

In comment 14628750 George from PA said:

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Would lose a tiebreak in playoff hunt? I understand the affect it would have losing for draft order

It puts NYG at 2-0 in the two non-common games. DAL and PHI are 0-1 in those games. Since that clinches a better record for the Giants in non-common games, they have to be worse in the common games.

Note that the non-common games (TB and ARI this year) are the "worst wins" from a division tiebreak perspective.

In comment 14628747 ray in arlington said:

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In comment 14628741 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: stuff Ray. Thank you BB. Been 15 years since you had your "Coughlin 1" jersey up in Albany. (Am I right about that?)

Yup.

If their records are tied...(if being better in non common games)....means they are worse in common games....

Which what really drives the tie break. Correct?

In comment 14628785 George from PA said:

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If their records are tied...(if being better in non common games)....means they are worse in common games.... Which what really drives the tie break. Correct?

Not seeing a problem with what I wrote in this thread, but sometimes I do slip up. (one reason I like to put out some of this early). When I write about a tiebreak I assume we are applying it to a situation where the teams have the same record. I don't consider whether a team could win or lose a tiebreak outside of a tie situation.

It is not that you said anything wrong....

But winning non-common games does not actually hurt....it just implies that one's record in common games is worse....which IS the Tie Breaker.....if teams end up with sames record.

In comment 14628804 George from PA said:

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It is not that you said anything wrong.... But winning non-common games does not actually hurt....it just implies that one's record in common games is worse....which IS the Tie Breaker.....if teams end up with sames record.

Yes.

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I pray for the day we're discussing playoff seedings instead of draft order :-)

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You all should really think about this and realize that ray has done an amazing job of simplifying things for the rest of the season. If the Giants beat the Cardinals (which of course we’re all hoping for and know they have to if we want any shot at making the playoffs most likely) that means that NYG will almost certainly lose a tiebreak with either Dallas or Philly if tied at the end of the season. That’s incredibly deflating to realize we more than likely need to beat Philly twice to hold a tiebreak with them, and/or need to both beat Dallas and hope Dallas ends up 3-3 or worse in the division (I.e. lost to the Skins or get swept by Philly).

In other words, for all of you out there saying “9 wins can win the division” etc., it’s extremely unlikely that the Giants would win a tie break with either the Eagles or Cowboys at 9-7. In all likelihood it’s going to require the Giants win 10 if the eagles and cowboys win 9, or even have to win 11 if EITHER the eagles or cowboys get to 10 wins. It’s really looking like all things considered the Giants can miraculously finis 10-6 and still have a very high likelihood of missing the playoffs. That’s pretty disheartening sitting at 2-4.

Ray let me know if you think I’m misinterpreting incorrectly or not giving a clear view of the probabilities.

And one of the "easy" game became harder....Jets.

Arizona is a must win