Started by speaking to the MVP type player Christian McCaffrey has become in Carolina, who of course was a Gettleman pick. Then he went on to remind that Gettleman led Carolina to a Super Bowl appearance not so long ago.
Bringing it over to the Giants, he specifically praised the Jones and Barkley picks and then said the Giants have some very talented young players on the roster and mentioned Hernandez, Lawrence and Baker.
Boomer said he thinks Gettleman has proven that he has an eye for talent and the Giants are headed in the right direction. He finished by stating that he also doesn't mind when Gettleman might say one thing and do another because it's not his job to share his thoughts with anyone outside the organization (an oblivious dig at Francessa).
Stay healthy and keep up the good work despite all the negativity you faced. The great thing is I don't think it bothers you at all.
When he drafted Jones with the 6th overall pick he wasn't lying when he said that the Giants could follow the KC model where Mahomes sat for a year or even the Packers/Chargers model where Rodgers/Rivers sat for two years. It just didn't turn out that way. But regardless of what his expectations might've been, he wasn't lying to say there was a possibility of Eli playing out the year and even getting an extension (i.e., Giants go deep into playoffs). Anything can happen in football, why put your foot in your mouth unnecessarily.
He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC
He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team
Right... just like when he initially indicated that he was not interested in trading OBJ. Then shit happened, teams called... and here we are now
And he probably didn't sign obj to trade him, but shit happens, things change. He and PS got to see what a PITA obj is and he got very good trade value, especially compared to what Pitt got for AB.
F*ck the critics, I think he's got us going in the right direction (and I'm grateful).
DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).
Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.
DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).
Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.
I wonder if we're watching the same games - Reese was the guy who won two titles - so far, Gettleman's team is on track to win 5 games again.
His FA acquisitions have been awful and with the exception of Barkley the rest of his draft picks are TBDs. Hernandez followed up a solid rookie season with struggles, and BJ Hill racked up some stats and has been very quiet this year.
I'm not even looking for a deep playoff run - just a winning season. Let's see if they can manage that next year before anyone proclaims Gettleman anything.
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by a GM saying one thing and doing another? Seems bizarre to not only expect that level of transparency as a fan, but to also expect that changes can't/shouldn't happen.
DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).
Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.
I wonder if we're watching the same games - Reese was the guy who won two titles - so far, Gettleman's team is on track to win 5 games again.
His FA acquisitions have been awful and with the exception of Barkley the rest of his draft picks are TBDs. Hernandez followed up a solid rookie season with struggles, and BJ Hill racked up some stats and has been very quiet this year.
I'm not even looking for a deep playoff run - just a winning season. Let's see if they can manage that next year before anyone proclaims Gettleman anything.
His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.
Was Golden a shitty FA signing? Is Lawrence not one of if not our best defender? I don't really know what to tell you.
I'm of the opinion that Mara held back the forward movement of this franchise by insisting on Eli being our QB. If I'm right about that, then what exactly do you expect from a GM that's put in that situation?
His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.
What does your eye use for criteria in that judgement?
It can't be performance - because the team sucks. There aren't even any impressive individual performances. Lawrence seems like he might be a good one - but the defense is putrid. Saying he's the best player on D doesn't exactly mean much.
A lot is going to hang on Jones - and I really hope that his struggles have more to do with the fact that his surrounding cast is all injured than him coming back down to Earth now that teams have some film on him.
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by a GM saying one thing and doing another? Seems bizarre to not only expect that level of transparency as a fan, but to also expect that changes can't/shouldn't happen.
DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).
Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.
I wonder if we're watching the same games - Reese was the guy who won two titles - so far, Gettleman's team is on track to win 5 games again.
His FA acquisitions have been awful and with the exception of Barkley the rest of his draft picks are TBDs. Hernandez followed up a solid rookie season with struggles, and BJ Hill racked up some stats and has been very quiet this year.
I'm not even looking for a deep playoff run - just a winning season. Let's see if they can manage that next year before anyone proclaims Gettleman anything.
His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.
Reese drafts produced players that directly contributed to playoff wins and super bowl wins. You can calm right down with that take. There are not two trophies in the case without Jason Pierre Paul, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Steve Smith, and a collection of others.
Was Golden a shitty FA signing? Is Lawrence not one of if not our best defender? I don't really know what to tell you.
I'm of the opinion that Mara held back the forward movement of this franchise by insisting on Eli being our QB. If I'm right about that, then what exactly do you expect from a GM that's put in that situation?
The entire rebuild of the OL was a failure - isn't that enough?
And how would the insistence that Eli stay at QB affect only Gettleman and not Reese, given that Reese was the one who was trying to see how the team would perform with someone else at QB?
Eli's been a liability for some time - if you're going to grade on a curve, it has to be applied to both. Reese's drafts absolutely dropped off starting in 2012 (when they drafted last in every round - Gettleman's had the 2nd and 6th overall picks thus far).
Gettleman's draft picks might turn out to be pretty good - but thus far, they've done nothing - not individual performances, not specific units on the team, not team success - that would imply that he's doing a great job. On the contrary, right now the results would suggest he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. His coaching hire is uninspiring, his FA record blows, and his draft picks are still to be determined.
DG hasn’t won jack shit, but he’s cleaning up Reese’s gigantic mess all while being held back by Mara until hopefully now.
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His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.
What does your eye use for criteria in that judgement?
It can't be performance - because the team sucks. There aren't even any impressive individual performances. Lawrence seems like he might be a good one - but the defense is putrid. Saying he's the best player on D doesn't exactly mean much.
A lot is going to hang on Jones - and I really hope that his struggles have more to do with the fact that his surrounding cast is all injured than him coming back down to Earth now that teams have some film on him.
It's called rebuilding for a reason. We are no worse than we were when he arrived, but we have a young QB and an influx of young talent and about 80MM in cap space next year.
Reese drafts produced players that directly contributed to playoff wins and super bowl wins. You can calm right down with that take. There are not two trophies in the case without Jason Pierre Paul, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Steve Smith, and a collection of others.
We can go back over it if you want to, but I really don't feel like looking it up right now. We have been down this road 10,000x. I stand by my statement all day long thet Gettleman's Car on NYG drafts are clearly better than Reese's, especially at OL, LB, and DL (Where it matters). Reese's drafts hit on a few but overall were not very good. I will always give him credit at having a good eye for skill positions, but if you analyze each and every draft of Gettleman and Reese Gettleman kicks his ass. And I'm pretty happy with DG's two Giants drafts.
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that Gettleman's Car and NYG drafts
DG hasn’t won jack shit, but he’s cleaning up Reese’s gigantic mess all while being held back by Mara until hopefully now.
How do you know that? He could have drafted a QB last year and sat him. Who the hell were you going to play at qb if you cut Eli last year? He was saying on draft night Jones might sit for awhile anyway. It is obvious he has no plan. He thinks you can throw a bunch of sh*t together and see if it works. If you win Eli and the JV squad defense great if you don't (and WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU CAN WIN GAMES with that defense) well then let's go on to plan B (then C, then D) of the rebuilding while at the same time trying to win games plan. THis clown is a nightmare for any Giants fan.
DG hasn’t won jack shit, but he’s cleaning up Reese’s gigantic mess all while being held back by Mara until hopefully now.
Of course it wasn't absolutely bare - they won 11 games in 2016.
Injuries caused the team to crater and for McAdoo to lose control in 2017. But that talent was still there - Landon Collins ended up signing a contract so lucrative he's going to fetch a 3rd in just the comp pick. OBJ was good enough that Gettleman deemed him worthy of top WR money.
Players were all over the roster - but there were plenty of holes.
There's no debating that Reese earned his dismissal - the roster was flawed. It sure as hell wasn't bare - that's just a convenient talking point used to justify several years of non-competitive football to follow, which seems to be the Giants MO of late.
Let's see how they do against the Cardinals - who were in worse shape than the Giants. They're in the same boat and playing on the road against a team with 10 days to prepare. If the Giants can't win that one, then maybe all this talk about 'turning it around' can stop for awhile.
he seems mostly critical toward the Giants as a rule?
Jones has exceeded expectations and has the look of a franchise QB, Collins has been solid but relatively non-impactful and overpaid for Washington, and OBJ has been a bit of a dud for Cleveland while Peppers, Lawrence, and Ximines have all been key contributors on defense for a small fraction of the cost of OBJ's deal.
Considering the roster/cap situation he inherited, he has done a nice job building through the draft and making solid acquisitions like Zeitler, Tate and Golden.
He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC
He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team
Did not realize those were the numbers/stats for his time in Carolina re: players he personally acquired. That’s honestly pretty bad when you think about it. So their core talent and HC (basically the reasons they went to the super bowl) were completely unrelated to him. Nice.
His lack of faith in analytics and the way he seems to go with what his eyes tell him more than anything (“I sawr a professional qwattahback”) seems like a method that will certainly get you some good football players here and there, but without giving serious thought to modern day analytics it just seems like he’ll perpetually be a step behind the other GMs as far as maximizing salary cap value to build a full and complete team is concerned. Hence why we’re sitting here saying “players x y and z all look promising etc.” but at the end of the day I think we all feel there’s something lacking in the way of the Giants really being a distinct team with a real vision and identity under Shurmur. IMO at least.
? What are the rules in your league? DJ is on my bench for now until he breaks out. I wouldn’t say he was a fantasy stud by any means.
He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC
He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team
Bullshit. See this is the problem with people making statements about Gettleman's Super Bowl team, they think it was all the previous regime just because he didn't draft Newton, Greg Olsen, and Keuchly.
Gettleman was directly responsible for: Turner, Norwell, Williams, Remmers, Jared Allen (traded a 6th round pick for him), Star Loutulelei, Short, Ealy (career hasn't been good but was a beast that year), Shaq Thompson. He also signed Ginn and drafted Funchess, who were basically their only weapons at WR.
Gettleman was all over that roster.
By contrast, I take the long view and will withhold judgment until further notice. Some good and bad so far, but you have to assess from where the team came and their performance over a number of years before you can truly judge his effectiveness.
My biggest issue with him was he really hit on zero 3rd picks. 4-7th you get lucky. He was good on 1-2, but nothing on the 3rd. plus the overall 11-12 drafts
saying that, there are a few things to consider however
S. Smith (2) - done at 25 - 46 games as Giant
J. Alford(3) - done at 25 - 32 games
K. Phillips(1) - done at 26 - 56 games
T. Thomas (2) - done at 26 - 60 games
Manningham(3) - done at 26 - 49 games
J. Goff (5) - done at 25 - 37 games
Nicks (1) - done at 26
Sintim (2) - done at 24 - 24 games
C. Jones (3) - zero games
D. Wilson(1) - Done at 22 - 21 games
Plax shoots himself in 08 costing them a chance at back to back. JPP blows hand up in 15
When you have young good talent at skill positions that gets hurt, you have to replace it.
Throw in Snee & Baas both careers ending after 3 games in 2013
Prince has turned out to be a good corner, Apple is playing very well in NO, Linval is very good, Richburg is playing well in SF
Just look at how unlucky he was with the depth OL signings: blood clots, broken legs, etc
I am going to back whoever is running things - no one is perfect. For now, the most important thing is the QB appears to be the right choice
He was fired from the Panthers because he looked to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen before they were done as effective players and the owner blocked him from doing so.
The same owner who was forced to sell the team for grab-assing female employees and who put a former Top Cat in charge when he stepped down.
I'm always perplexed as to why people try to minimize that Gettleman helped the Panthers get to a SB, and nobody really talks about how he took a really bad cap situation and turned it around in just one season.
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That team had 8 players who made the Pro Bowl team and just 1 was brought on by DG - Kawann Short
He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC
He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team
Bullshit. See this is the problem with people making statements about Gettleman's Super Bowl team, they think it was all the previous regime just because he didn't draft Newton, Greg Olsen, and Keuchly.
Gettleman was directly responsible for: Turner, Norwell, Williams, Remmers, Jared Allen (traded a 6th round pick for him), Star Loutulelei, Short, Ealy (career hasn't been good but was a beast that year), Shaq Thompson. He also signed Ginn and drafted Funchess, who were basically their only weapons at WR.
Gettleman was all over that roster.
thank you, i didn't want to have to go through 3 seasons of gettleman's time there to prove that was wrong lol. he got there in 2013, i think 2 years of management contributed to a 15-1 season. hell Reese won his first year and we were ready to erase all of arcosi's work building that team lol.
He was fired from the Panthers because he looked to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen before they were done as effective players and the owner blocked him from doing so.
The same owner who was forced to sell the team for grab-assing female employees and who put a former Top Cat in charge when he stepped down.
I'm always perplexed as to why people try to minimize that Gettleman helped the Panthers get to a SB, and nobody really talks about how he took a really bad cap situation and turned it around in just one season.
Yep....these same people have an agenda and they will never accept DG and applaud his good moves because that would show the world DG is a lot better/smarter than they want to give him credit for. I personally think the ones who are most upset with DG are the ones who hated losing Odell....or possibly the ones who hated the DJ pick at 6.
On a side note, I do not agree with every decision DG makes....some of his FA acquisitions have perplexed me, but overall, I’m very pleased with the direction the Gmen are trending and feel good about that. Of course, as Dallas is similarly experiencing, injuries to key players can derail a lot of the good we are hoping to see.
Ask Panthers fans if they liked him as GM. They did and they would much rather have him here than Marty Hurney.
To me that means more than the SB appearance in evaluating his success there.
Claimed his record was a product of having Cam and Kuechly. And he also claimed that the record wasn't that impressive.
Some posters have gone out of their way to crap on his time in Carolina. The motivation for that still escapes me.
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His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.
What does your eye use for criteria in that judgement?
It can't be performance - because the team sucks. There aren't even any impressive individual performances. Lawrence seems like he might be a good one - but the defense is putrid. Saying he's the best player on D doesn't exactly mean much.
A lot is going to hang on Jones - and I really hope that his struggles have more to do with the fact that his surrounding cast is all injured than him coming back down to Earth now that teams have some film on him.
Cmon man how many rookie QBs tear up the league in they’re first year
Especially with a shit Oline
I'm not blaming him for anything - it's too soon to tell. Which is exactly why giving Gettleman credit for it at this point is ridiculous.
I am still perplexed by his teetering of trying to win and rebuild at the same time. it just makes for moves that you turn your head sideways. Also I just don't see Shurmur ever holding a Lombardi trophy in his hand and raising it ....
Where are all the fans that hated the pick? It seem slike everyone here is like some Duke fan or something just ready to blow one in their shorts about a guy who nobody thought looked good enough to be a 6 make it in this league.
Expected from a troll/dupe from 10/19.
You sound like you aren't too bright there, Ace.
Sterling Shepard is still a starter here. Eli Apple is starting in NO. Paul Perkins is on Detroit's roster.
Shit, BJ Goodson is seeing the field plenty in GB and doing a good job for a guy drafted 109th overall.
Remember the Giants 4th round draft pick from last year? Drafted one pick earlier - where's he now?
Am I in the twilight zone? What is going on here?