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Boomer praised Gettleman this morning on his show.

Emlen'sGremlins : 10/14/2019 7:16 pm
Started by speaking to the MVP type player Christian McCaffrey has become in Carolina, who of course was a Gettleman pick. Then he went on to remind that Gettleman led Carolina to a Super Bowl appearance not so long ago.

Bringing it over to the Giants, he specifically praised the Jones and Barkley picks and then said the Giants have some very talented young players on the roster and mentioned Hernandez, Lawrence and Baker.

Boomer said he thinks Gettleman has proven that he has an eye for talent and the Giants are headed in the right direction. He finished by stating that he also doesn't mind when Gettleman might say one thing and do another because it's not his job to share his thoughts with anyone outside the organization (an oblivious dig at Francessa).
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not his job to share his thoughts with anyone outside the organization  
Torrag : 10/14/2019 7:18 pm : link
Hear that Fatso? hah.
obvious  
Emlen'sGremlins : 10/14/2019 7:24 pm : link
obvious
Run the Ball Stop the Run Get after the passer  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/14/2019 7:32 pm : link
DG will get the Giants back to this and that formula has served the franchise well.

Stay healthy and keep up the good work despite all the negativity you faced. The great thing is I don't think it bothers you at all.
He doesn't actually say one thing and do another...  
Milton : 10/14/2019 7:54 pm : link
It just seems that way because what he's really saying is that nothing is set in stone and all situations are fluid with possibilities. And he surely wasn't bullshitting when he said that he was willing to go RB with the 2nd overall despite the media's opinion that the position wasn't worthy of such a high pick.

When he drafted Jones with the 6th overall pick he wasn't lying when he said that the Giants could follow the KC model where Mahomes sat for a year or even the Packers/Chargers model where Rodgers/Rivers sat for two years. It just didn't turn out that way. But regardless of what his expectations might've been, he wasn't lying to say there was a possibility of Eli playing out the year and even getting an extension (i.e., Giants go deep into playoffs). Anything can happen in football, why put your foot in your mouth unnecessarily.
DG drafted top 2 fantasy studs  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/14/2019 8:01 pm : link
Boomer excited for his FF team.
I wouldn’t say that DG “led” Carolina to a Super Bowl  
twostepgiants : 10/14/2019 8:02 pm : link
That team had 8 players who made the Pro Bowl team and just 1 was brought on by DG - Kawann Short

He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC

He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team
RE: He doesn't actually say one thing and do another...  
EricJ : 10/14/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14628857 Milton said:
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It just seems that way because what he's really saying is that nothing is set in stone and all situations are fluid with possibilities.


Right... just like when he initially indicated that he was not interested in trading OBJ. Then shit happened, teams called... and here we are now
Milton  
Dr. D : 10/14/2019 8:10 pm : link
is right. He never said he was necessarily taking an ER and absolutely NOT taking a QB at 6.

And he probably didn't sign obj to trade him, but shit happens, things change. He and PS got to see what a PITA obj is and he got very good trade value, especially compared to what Pitt got for AB.

F*ck the critics, I think he's got us going in the right direction (and I'm grateful).
why would anyone be bothered  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2019 8:13 pm : link
by a GM saying one thing and doing another? Seems bizarre to not only expect that level of transparency as a fan, but to also expect that changes can't/shouldn't happen.

DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).

Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.
RE: why would anyone be bothered  
jcn56 : 10/14/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14628874 UConn4523 said:
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by a GM saying one thing and doing another? Seems bizarre to not only expect that level of transparency as a fan, but to also expect that changes can't/shouldn't happen.

DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).

Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.


I wonder if we're watching the same games - Reese was the guy who won two titles - so far, Gettleman's team is on track to win 5 games again.

His FA acquisitions have been awful and with the exception of Barkley the rest of his draft picks are TBDs. Hernandez followed up a solid rookie season with struggles, and BJ Hill racked up some stats and has been very quiet this year.

I'm not even looking for a deep playoff run - just a winning season. Let's see if they can manage that next year before anyone proclaims Gettleman anything.
RE: RE: why would anyone be bothered  
Johnny5 : 10/14/2019 8:27 pm : link
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by a GM saying one thing and doing another? Seems bizarre to not only expect that level of transparency as a fan, but to also expect that changes can't/shouldn't happen.

DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).

Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.



I wonder if we're watching the same games - Reese was the guy who won two titles - so far, Gettleman's team is on track to win 5 games again.

His FA acquisitions have been awful and with the exception of Barkley the rest of his draft picks are TBDs. Hernandez followed up a solid rookie season with struggles, and BJ Hill racked up some stats and has been very quiet this year.

I'm not even looking for a deep playoff run - just a winning season. Let's see if they can manage that next year before anyone proclaims Gettleman anything.

His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.
you must not have read  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2019 8:28 pm : link
the part about Reese leaving us with shit draft after shit draft prior to DG getting here. I'm thankful for his SB wins, but what did he do post-2011?

Was Golden a shitty FA signing? Is Lawrence not one of if not our best defender? I don't really know what to tell you.

I'm of the opinion that Mara held back the forward movement of this franchise by insisting on Eli being our QB. If I'm right about that, then what exactly do you expect from a GM that's put in that situation?
to add  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2019 8:30 pm : link
I think DG would have cut Eli last season. And he definitely wanted to cut him this year but still wasn't allowed to. How can you even critique a decision maker who isn't allowed to make the most important decision to move the franchise forward?
RE: RE: RE: why would anyone be bothered  
jcn56 : 10/14/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14628884 Johnny5 said:
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His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.


What does your eye use for criteria in that judgement?

It can't be performance - because the team sucks. There aren't even any impressive individual performances. Lawrence seems like he might be a good one - but the defense is putrid. Saying he's the best player on D doesn't exactly mean much.

A lot is going to hang on Jones - and I really hope that his struggles have more to do with the fact that his surrounding cast is all injured than him coming back down to Earth now that teams have some film on him.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 10/14/2019 8:35 pm : link
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by a GM saying one thing and doing another? Seems bizarre to not only expect that level of transparency as a fan, but to also expect that changes can't/shouldn't happen.

DG isn't perfect, but he's light years better than Reese and he's infusing a ton of talent on this roster. In fact there's more talent after 2 drafts than Reese had in his previous 4 or 5 (possibly more).

Now that Eli is out I expect DG will have free rein to build the roster without anything holding him back.



I wonder if we're watching the same games - Reese was the guy who won two titles - so far, Gettleman's team is on track to win 5 games again.

His FA acquisitions have been awful and with the exception of Barkley the rest of his draft picks are TBDs. Hernandez followed up a solid rookie season with struggles, and BJ Hill racked up some stats and has been very quiet this year.

I'm not even looking for a deep playoff run - just a winning season. Let's see if they can manage that next year before anyone proclaims Gettleman anything.


His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.


Reese drafts produced players that directly contributed to playoff wins and super bowl wins. You can calm right down with that take. There are not two trophies in the case without Jason Pierre Paul, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Steve Smith, and a collection of others.
RE: you must not have read  
jcn56 : 10/14/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14628885 UConn4523 said:
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the part about Reese leaving us with shit draft after shit draft prior to DG getting here. I'm thankful for his SB wins, but what did he do post-2011?

Was Golden a shitty FA signing? Is Lawrence not one of if not our best defender? I don't really know what to tell you.

I'm of the opinion that Mara held back the forward movement of this franchise by insisting on Eli being our QB. If I'm right about that, then what exactly do you expect from a GM that's put in that situation?


The entire rebuild of the OL was a failure - isn't that enough?

And how would the insistence that Eli stay at QB affect only Gettleman and not Reese, given that Reese was the one who was trying to see how the team would perform with someone else at QB?

Eli's been a liability for some time - if you're going to grade on a curve, it has to be applied to both. Reese's drafts absolutely dropped off starting in 2012 (when they drafted last in every round - Gettleman's had the 2nd and 6th overall picks thus far).

Gettleman's draft picks might turn out to be pretty good - but thus far, they've done nothing - not individual performances, not specific units on the team, not team success - that would imply that he's doing a great job. On the contrary, right now the results would suggest he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. His coaching hire is uninspiring, his FA record blows, and his draft picks are still to be determined.
So apply it to Reese  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2019 8:45 pm : link
i don’t buy it but if you do than that’s fine. 2016 was his last shot and it was too little too late with him anyway, he left the team absolutely bare, arguably the worst talent in the league.

DG hasn’t won jack shit, but he’s cleaning up Reese’s gigantic mess all while being held back by Mara until hopefully now.
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Scuzzlebutt : 10/14/2019 8:46 pm : link
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His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.



What does your eye use for criteria in that judgement?

It can't be performance - because the team sucks. There aren't even any impressive individual performances. Lawrence seems like he might be a good one - but the defense is putrid. Saying he's the best player on D doesn't exactly mean much.

A lot is going to hang on Jones - and I really hope that his struggles have more to do with the fact that his surrounding cast is all injured than him coming back down to Earth now that teams have some film on him.


It's called rebuilding for a reason. We are no worse than we were when he arrived, but we have a young QB and an influx of young talent and about 80MM in cap space next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: why would anyone be bothered  
Johnny5 : 10/14/2019 8:54 pm : link
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Reese drafts produced players that directly contributed to playoff wins and super bowl wins. You can calm right down with that take. There are not two trophies in the case without Jason Pierre Paul, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Steve Smith, and a collection of others.

We can go back over it if you want to, but I really don't feel like looking it up right now. We have been down this road 10,000x. I stand by my statement all day long thet Gettleman's Car on NYG drafts are clearly better than Reese's, especially at OL, LB, and DL (Where it matters). Reese's drafts hit on a few but overall were not very good. I will always give him credit at having a good eye for skill positions, but if you analyze each and every draft of Gettleman and Reese Gettleman kicks his ass. And I'm pretty happy with DG's two Giants drafts.
Ugh. Fat fingers.  
Johnny5 : 10/14/2019 8:55 pm : link
thet Gettleman's Car on NYG drafts

Should BE:

that Gettleman's Car and NYG drafts
RE: So apply it to Reese  
Big_N : 10/14/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14628910 UConn4523 said:
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i don’t buy it but if you do than that’s fine. 2016 was his last shot and it was too little too late with him anyway, he left the team absolutely bare, arguably the worst talent in the league.

DG hasn’t won jack shit, but he’s cleaning up Reese’s gigantic mess all while being held back by Mara until hopefully now.


How do you know that? He could have drafted a QB last year and sat him. Who the hell were you going to play at qb if you cut Eli last year? He was saying on draft night Jones might sit for awhile anyway. It is obvious he has no plan. He thinks you can throw a bunch of sh*t together and see if it works. If you win Eli and the JV squad defense great if you don't (and WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU CAN WIN GAMES with that defense) well then let's go on to plan B (then C, then D) of the rebuilding while at the same time trying to win games plan. THis clown is a nightmare for any Giants fan.
RE: So apply it to Reese  
jcn56 : 10/14/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14628910 UConn4523 said:
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i don’t buy it but if you do than that’s fine. 2016 was his last shot and it was too little too late with him anyway, he left the team absolutely bare, arguably the worst talent in the league.

DG hasn’t won jack shit, but he’s cleaning up Reese’s gigantic mess all while being held back by Mara until hopefully now.


Of course it wasn't absolutely bare - they won 11 games in 2016.

Injuries caused the team to crater and for McAdoo to lose control in 2017. But that talent was still there - Landon Collins ended up signing a contract so lucrative he's going to fetch a 3rd in just the comp pick. OBJ was good enough that Gettleman deemed him worthy of top WR money.

Players were all over the roster - but there were plenty of holes.

There's no debating that Reese earned his dismissal - the roster was flawed. It sure as hell wasn't bare - that's just a convenient talking point used to justify several years of non-competitive football to follow, which seems to be the Giants MO of late.

Let's see how they do against the Cardinals - who were in worse shape than the Giants. They're in the same boat and playing on the road against a team with 10 days to prepare. If the Giants can't win that one, then maybe all this talk about 'turning it around' can stop for awhile.
I am surprised ...  
short lease : 10/15/2019 12:08 am : link

he seems mostly critical toward the Giants as a rule?
There is a reason why Gettleman gets paid the big bucks  
Breeze_94 : 10/15/2019 12:13 am : link
he was the butt of everyones jokes after trading OBJ, letting Collins walk, and drafting Jones.

Jones has exceeded expectations and has the look of a franchise QB, Collins has been solid but relatively non-impactful and overpaid for Washington, and OBJ has been a bit of a dud for Cleveland while Peppers, Lawrence, and Ximines have all been key contributors on defense for a small fraction of the cost of OBJ's deal.

Considering the roster/cap situation he inherited, he has done a nice job building through the draft and making solid acquisitions like Zeitler, Tate and Golden.
RE: I wouldn’t say that DG “led” Carolina to a Super Bowl  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 4:14 am : link
In comment 14628868 twostepgiants said:
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That team had 8 players who made the Pro Bowl team and just 1 was brought on by DG - Kawann Short

He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC

He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team


Did not realize those were the numbers/stats for his time in Carolina re: players he personally acquired. That’s honestly pretty bad when you think about it. So their core talent and HC (basically the reasons they went to the super bowl) were completely unrelated to him. Nice.

His lack of faith in analytics and the way he seems to go with what his eyes tell him more than anything (“I sawr a professional qwattahback”) seems like a method that will certainly get you some good football players here and there, but without giving serious thought to modern day analytics it just seems like he’ll perpetually be a step behind the other GMs as far as maximizing salary cap value to build a full and complete team is concerned. Hence why we’re sitting here saying “players x y and z all look promising etc.” but at the end of the day I think we all feel there’s something lacking in the way of the Giants really being a distinct team with a real vision and identity under Shurmur. IMO at least.
RE: DG drafted top 2 fantasy studs  
ZoneXDOA : 10/15/2019 6:22 am : link
In comment 14628865 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Boomer excited for his FF team.


? What are the rules in your league? DJ is on my bench for now until he breaks out. I wouldn’t say he was a fantasy stud by any means.
As stated in previous threads  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 8:25 am : link
I am not concerned about Gettleman in the slightest, I think he will build a winning roster that has sustained success. The issue is Shurmur.
The goal with every draft is to get  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 8:27 am : link
1-2 pro bowl caliber players and 2-3 starters. Gettleman has done that in 2018 and 2019. I think everyone is pretty confident in his draft ability. Time to hit on some free agents.
RE: I wouldn’t say that DG “led” Carolina to a Super Bowl  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 8:54 am : link
In comment 14628868 twostepgiants said:
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That team had 8 players who made the Pro Bowl team and just 1 was brought on by DG - Kawann Short

He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC

He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team

Bullshit. See this is the problem with people making statements about Gettleman's Super Bowl team, they think it was all the previous regime just because he didn't draft Newton, Greg Olsen, and Keuchly.

Gettleman was directly responsible for: Turner, Norwell, Williams, Remmers, Jared Allen (traded a 6th round pick for him), Star Loutulelei, Short, Ealy (career hasn't been good but was a beast that year), Shaq Thompson. He also signed Ginn and drafted Funchess, who were basically their only weapons at WR.

Gettleman was all over that roster.
I can't keep up with whether Gettleman is a genius or a bum.  
lawguy9801 : 10/15/2019 9:14 am : link
Opinions differ day to day, thread to thread on the same day, and even within the same thread.

By contrast, I take the long view and will withhold judgment until further notice. Some good and bad so far, but you have to assess from where the team came and their performance over a number of years before you can truly judge his effectiveness.
I agree. Its silly to take his temperature every week  
ron mexico : 10/15/2019 9:19 am : link
Its not like an in-season GM switch is feasible even if it were warranted, which its not. And the org is not going to move on this quickly anyway absent some sort of scandal.
Gettleman  
stretch234 : 10/15/2019 9:22 am : link
People love to bash Reese and he had some issues, and there is a very real argument that he should have been let go with Coughlin.

My biggest issue with him was he really hit on zero 3rd picks. 4-7th you get lucky. He was good on 1-2, but nothing on the 3rd. plus the overall 11-12 drafts

saying that, there are a few things to consider however

S. Smith (2) - done at 25 - 46 games as Giant
J. Alford(3) - done at 25 - 32 games
K. Phillips(1) - done at 26 - 56 games
T. Thomas (2) - done at 26 - 60 games
Manningham(3) - done at 26 - 49 games
J. Goff (5) - done at 25 - 37 games
Nicks (1) - done at 26
Sintim (2) - done at 24 - 24 games
C. Jones (3) - zero games
D. Wilson(1) - Done at 22 - 21 games

Plax shoots himself in 08 costing them a chance at back to back. JPP blows hand up in 15

When you have young good talent at skill positions that gets hurt, you have to replace it.

Throw in Snee & Baas both careers ending after 3 games in 2013

Prince has turned out to be a good corner, Apple is playing very well in NO, Linval is very good, Richburg is playing well in SF

Just look at how unlucky he was with the depth OL signings: blood clots, broken legs, etc

I am going to back whoever is running things - no one is perfect. For now, the most important thing is the QB appears to be the right choice
Then why did he get fired from Panthers?  
Big_N : 10/15/2019 9:28 am : link
Was there ever a GM that had so much animosity toward him from Players and fans?
jcn  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:32 am : link
not really much drafted talent in 2016. Other than Beckham and Collins, what Reese drafted players were any good? It was all FA spending that did it, and then a year later that strategy crashed and burned and continued to burn for a few more years. Collins just got paid and is playing like an average at best Safety and Beckham is also gone. But the crime is that OLine, just whiff after whiff after whiff. Hernandez, while still progressing, has as much promise as any lineman I can remember Reese drafting, probably more.
Does this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 9:33 am : link
have to be constantly rehashed??

He was fired from the Panthers because he looked to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen before they were done as effective players and the owner blocked him from doing so.

The same owner who was forced to sell the team for grab-assing female employees and who put a former Top Cat in charge when he stepped down.

I'm always perplexed as to why people try to minimize that Gettleman helped the Panthers get to a SB, and nobody really talks about how he took a really bad cap situation and turned it around in just one season.
RE: RE: I wouldn’t say that DG “led” Carolina to a Super Bowl  
Platos : 10/15/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14629184 ryanmkeane said:
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That team had 8 players who made the Pro Bowl team and just 1 was brought on by DG - Kawann Short

He didn’t draft Cam or draft Kuechly or their big running attack or hire the HC

He certainly wasn’t the architect of that team


Bullshit. See this is the problem with people making statements about Gettleman's Super Bowl team, they think it was all the previous regime just because he didn't draft Newton, Greg Olsen, and Keuchly.

Gettleman was directly responsible for: Turner, Norwell, Williams, Remmers, Jared Allen (traded a 6th round pick for him), Star Loutulelei, Short, Ealy (career hasn't been good but was a beast that year), Shaq Thompson. He also signed Ginn and drafted Funchess, who were basically their only weapons at WR.

Gettleman was all over that roster.


thank you, i didn't want to have to go through 3 seasons of gettleman's time there to prove that was wrong lol. he got there in 2013, i think 2 years of management contributed to a 15-1 season. hell Reese won his first year and we were ready to erase all of arcosi's work building that team lol.
RE: Does this..  
5BowlsSoon : 10/15/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14629224 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have to be constantly rehashed??

He was fired from the Panthers because he looked to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen before they were done as effective players and the owner blocked him from doing so.

The same owner who was forced to sell the team for grab-assing female employees and who put a former Top Cat in charge when he stepped down.

I'm always perplexed as to why people try to minimize that Gettleman helped the Panthers get to a SB, and nobody really talks about how he took a really bad cap situation and turned it around in just one season.


Yep....these same people have an agenda and they will never accept DG and applaud his good moves because that would show the world DG is a lot better/smarter than they want to give him credit for. I personally think the ones who are most upset with DG are the ones who hated losing Odell....or possibly the ones who hated the DJ pick at 6.

On a side note, I do not agree with every decision DG makes....some of his FA acquisitions have perplexed me, but overall, I’m very pleased with the direction the Gmen are trending and feel good about that. Of course, as Dallas is similarly experiencing, injuries to key players can derail a lot of the good we are hoping to see.
RE: Then why did he get fired from Panthers?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14629220 Big_N said:
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Was there ever a GM that had so much animosity toward him from Players and fans?


Ask Panthers fans if they liked him as GM. They did and they would much rather have him here than Marty Hurney.
You think the Panthers are regretting spending....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 9:48 am : link
a top ten pick on a RB right now?
I think his winning exec of the year...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/15/2019 9:50 am : link
the one awarded via a vote of current NFL execs (his peers) shows that those who do the work he does admired greatly the work he did in CAR.

To me that means more than the SB appearance in evaluating his success there.
Panthers  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:07 am : link
went to the playoffs 4 times in Gettleman's tenure including a Super Bowl loss. He was the GM for 5 seasons. That is an extremely good tenure. He was promptly fired by their ridiculous owner.
It's actually somewhat hard to believe  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:09 am : link
that someone would say 'Gettleman wasn't responsible for that team.' He basically brought in their entire OL and DL that went to the Super Bowl!!
Mook..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 10:14 am : link
has argued that Gettleman might be the Panthers 3rd or 4th best GM!!

Claimed his record was a product of having Cam and Kuechly. And he also claimed that the record wasn't that impressive.

Some posters have gone out of their way to crap on his time in Carolina. The motivation for that still escapes me.
RE: RE: RE: RE: why would anyone be bothered  
NikkiMac : 10/15/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14628896 jcn56 said:
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His 2 drafts so far (at least to my eye) far FAR surpass any draft Reese ever had. But I agree on FA aside from Golden. Although I guess Mayo and Tate are decent enough.



What does your eye use for criteria in that judgement?

It can't be performance - because the team sucks. There aren't even any impressive individual performances. Lawrence seems like he might be a good one - but the defense is putrid. Saying he's the best player on D doesn't exactly mean much.

A lot is going to hang on Jones - and I really hope that his struggles have more to do with the fact that his surrounding cast is all injured than him coming back down to Earth now that teams have some film on him.


Cmon man how many rookie QBs tear up the league in they’re first year

Especially with a shit Oline
Not sure what you're saying  
jcn56 : 10/15/2019 10:30 am : link
you think it's OK to just assume he's going to be very good to great at this point?

I'm not blaming him for anything - it's too soon to tell. Which is exactly why giving Gettleman credit for it at this point is ridiculous.
so why reach for him at 6?  
Big_N : 10/15/2019 10:31 am : link
DJ looks ok but still waiting to see that spark from him. My guess is he'll be effective against low level teams like the cards. He can throw to wide open receivers on blown coverages and can probably run a little against undisciplined defenses that won't stay in their lanes. But I don't know....

I am still perplexed by his teetering of trying to win and rebuild at the same time. it just makes for moves that you turn your head sideways. Also I just don't see Shurmur ever holding a Lombardi trophy in his hand and raising it ....

Where are all the fans that hated the pick? It seem slike everyone here is like some Duke fan or something just ready to blow one in their shorts about a guy who nobody thought looked good enough to be a 6 make it in this league.
Ahh..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 10:33 am : link
the old reach comment.

Expected from a troll/dupe from 10/19.

You sound like you aren't too bright there, Ace.
RE: jcn  
jcn56 : 10/15/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14629223 UConn4523 said:
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not really much drafted talent in 2016. Other than Beckham and Collins, what Reese drafted players were any good? It was all FA spending that did it, and then a year later that strategy crashed and burned and continued to burn for a few more years. Collins just got paid and is playing like an average at best Safety and Beckham is also gone. But the crime is that OLine, just whiff after whiff after whiff. Hernandez, while still progressing, has as much promise as any lineman I can remember Reese drafting, probably more.


Sterling Shepard is still a starter here. Eli Apple is starting in NO. Paul Perkins is on Detroit's roster.

Shit, BJ Goodson is seeing the field plenty in GB and doing a good job for a guy drafted 109th overall.

Remember the Giants 4th round draft pick from last year? Drafted one pick earlier - where's he now?
Big_N  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:36 am : link
are you actually trying to say that if we hated the pick at first, but then the guy turns out to be awesome, that we are still supposed to hate the player/pick?
jcn  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:39 am : link
Eli Apple sucks, he's a terrible corner. Have you watched him play this season? He's almost worse than when he was on our team. Perkins hasn't seen a snap in Detroit. He's a practice squad level player. Goodson is getting time in Green Bay, averaging about 2 tackles a game.

Am I in the twilight zone? What is going on here?
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