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Boomer praised Gettleman this morning on his show.

Emlen'sGremlins : 10/14/2019 7:16 pm
Started by speaking to the MVP type player Christian McCaffrey has become in Carolina, who of course was a Gettleman pick. Then he went on to remind that Gettleman led Carolina to a Super Bowl appearance not so long ago.

Bringing it over to the Giants, he specifically praised the Jones and Barkley picks and then said the Giants have some very talented young players on the roster and mentioned Hernandez, Lawrence and Baker.

Boomer said he thinks Gettleman has proven that he has an eye for talent and the Giants are headed in the right direction. He finished by stating that he also doesn't mind when Gettleman might say one thing and do another because it's not his job to share his thoughts with anyone outside the organization (an oblivious dig at Francessa).
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jcn  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:40 am : link
no, Goodson is not doing a good job for a guy picked at 109th overall. He has 15 tackles on the season.
Paul Perkins..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 10:40 am : link
is Detroit's 4th or 5th string RB and he's accumulated no stats for them. I'm not sure what point is being made by his presence on a NFL roster.
RE: It's actually somewhat hard to believe  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14629275 ryanmkeane said:
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that someone would say 'Gettleman wasn't responsible for that team.' He basically brought in their entire OL and DL that went to the Super Bowl!!


They had, I think, nine Pro Bowlers on that team. Gettleman acquired one of them, the rest were on the roster the day he was hired. So, yeah, I say he was hardly the architect of that team.
There are certainly arguments to be made about  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:42 am : link
getting rid of Beckham and Snacks. Everyone else that Gettleman has moved on from has been the right move.
It is difficult to say...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 10:43 am : link
that Gettleman's trades and drafting haven't been very good.

Just like it would be difficult to say that his FA moves have been good.
Greg...  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 10:48 am : link
The Pro Bowlers were Newton, Stewart, Olsen, Kalil, Turner, Tolbert, Kuechly, Davis, Norman, and Short. Gettleman is responsible for drafting Turner and Short. He signed Davis to a 2 year contract extension before the start of the 2015 season, so that's his move. He signed Newton to a 5 year extension before the 2015 season (although that was kind of obvious). He signed Olsen to a 3 year extension before the start of the 2015 season. He is also responsible for about 90% of the starting OL and DL from that team.
One of Gettleman's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 10:53 am : link
best moves in Carolina and one that was a bold one to make was not resigning Norman and letting him walk.

Say what you want about Gettleman, but he has stones, which is why when posters insinuate he's been given mandates by ownership to follow, I just shake my head.
RE: RE: jcn  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14629327 jcn56 said:
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not really much drafted talent in 2016. Other than Beckham and Collins, what Reese drafted players were any good? It was all FA spending that did it, and then a year later that strategy crashed and burned and continued to burn for a few more years. Collins just got paid and is playing like an average at best Safety and Beckham is also gone. But the crime is that OLine, just whiff after whiff after whiff. Hernandez, while still progressing, has as much promise as any lineman I can remember Reese drafting, probably more.



Sterling Shepard is still a starter here. Eli Apple is starting in NO. Paul Perkins is on Detroit's roster.

Shit, BJ Goodson is seeing the field plenty in GB and doing a good job for a guy drafted 109th overall.

Remember the Giants 4th round draft pick from last year? Drafted one pick earlier - where's he now?


I forgot about Shepard. The others you seem to be giving credit for “still being here” which is a low barometer. Perkins isn’t good and Apple looks to have leveled out to average but simply wasn’t fit for NY.

Yeah Lauletta is gone. I’m not sure your point, did I say his draft record was spotless? I said he isn’t a perfect GM but he’s infused more talent on this team than Reese did since the last Super Bowl. You seem to think something else about my statements and I don’t know why, it’s all right there for you to read.

I also didn’t mention Connelly and what looks to be a 5th round gem. Too bad we have to wait until next year now but he looked better in those couple games than any Reese draft pick at LBer.
RE: Panthers  
5BowlsSoon : 10/15/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14629273 ryanmkeane said:
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went to the playoffs 4 times in Gettleman's tenure including a Super Bowl loss. He was the GM for 5 seasons. That is an extremely good tenure. He was promptly fired by their ridiculous owner.


Those results say it all. Thanks for posting this for all to see......unfortunately some here don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear. (Blind and deaf)
The problem with Gettleman discussion, as I see it here....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:08 am : link
is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.

There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.

They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
RE: RE: Panthers  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14629365 5BowlsSoon said:
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went to the playoffs 4 times in Gettleman's tenure including a Super Bowl loss. He was the GM for 5 seasons. That is an extremely good tenure. He was promptly fired by their ridiculous owner.



Those results say it all. Thanks for posting this for all to see......unfortunately some here don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear. (Blind and deaf)


Interestingly enough, many will tell you that it was Jerry Reese who was responsible for the 2007 team (and make no mistake, his draft class in 2007 played a HUGE part in that championship). They won't give Gettleman credit because the team was built before he got there, but they'll turn around and give Reese credit for 2007.

Both deserve credit.
RE: The problem with Gettleman discussion, as I see it here....  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14629368 Britt in VA said:
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is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.

There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.

They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.

Well, to be fair, some posters will always be negative regardless of the success. If Gettleman wins a championship here, some posters will still be miserable fucks. Just the way it is.
I'll 100% admit to the fact that I didn't love  
Dnew15 : 10/15/2019 11:15 am : link
the DG or the PS hiring - at all. I thought it was the Giants going back to their old ways of hiring the status quo.

I'll also admit that I didn't want SB - I wanted a QB.

I will say this though - I have done a 180 on those guys. I now find myself actually defending both of them and kinda like what they've done so far.

I think they had their hand forced by ownership to operate in the fashion that they did - and now - I support them b/c I think they're doing a good job.

I can admit when I'm wrong.
RE: RE: RE: Panthers  
5BowlsSoon : 10/15/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14629372 Britt in VA said:
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went to the playoffs 4 times in Gettleman's tenure including a Super Bowl loss. He was the GM for 5 seasons. That is an extremely good tenure. He was promptly fired by their ridiculous owner.



Those results say it all. Thanks for posting this for all to see......unfortunately some here don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear. (Blind and deaf)



Interestingly enough, many will tell you that it was Jerry Reese who was responsible for the 2007 team (and make no mistake, his draft class in 2007 played a HUGE part in that championship). They won't give Gettleman credit because the team was built before he got there, but they'll turn around and give Reese credit for 2007.

Both deserve credit.


Good point.
In the Past: in Reese I trust
In the Present: in Gettleman I trust
RE: RE: The problem with Gettleman discussion, as I see it here....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14629374 ryanmkeane said:
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is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.

There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.

They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.


Well, to be fair, some posters will always be negative regardless of the success. If Gettleman wins a championship here, some posters will still be miserable fucks. Just the way it is.


Yeah, but this particular instance, I felt was more unhinged than what I've seen in the past? Sign of the times? A near decade of losing taking it's toll? Maybe both.
Yeah....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:17 am : link
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Good point.
In the Past: in Reese I trust
In the Present: in Gettleman I trust


I was a big In Reese I trust Guy, until the core deteriorated and he didn't really appear to have any plan in place to fix it.
RE: The problem with Gettleman discussion, as I see it here....  
Thegratefulhead : 10/15/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14629368 Britt in VA said:
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is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.

There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.

They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
Miserable...Some people are just miserable, They want everyone to be miserable with them. Think about some of the posters. Can you remember a time other than a SB win when they were happy about anything ? Some people pan every single decision the team makes. I wish I could block them and never see their posts again. Tiresome.
I get that people are frustrated with the teams struggles  
Brown Recluse : 10/15/2019 11:19 am : link
but some of you are so jaded at this point that you can't even make well-reasoned points anymore and are simply making stuff up.

Holy crap.
RE: I'll 100% admit to the fact that I didn't love  
Thegratefulhead : 10/15/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14629377 Dnew15 said:
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the DG or the PS hiring - at all. I thought it was the Giants going back to their old ways of hiring the status quo.

I'll also admit that I didn't want SB - I wanted a QB.

I will say this though - I have done a 180 on those guys. I now find myself actually defending both of them and kinda like what they've done so far.

I think they had their hand forced by ownership to operate in the fashion that they did - and now - I support them b/c I think they're doing a good job.

I can admit when I'm wrong.
Congratulations on being an adult. Most never make it.
RE: The problem with Gettleman discussion, as I see it here....  
jcn56 : 10/15/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14629368 Britt in VA said:
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is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.

There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.

They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.


There are posts **in this thread** - defending him because he was FORCED to be a yes man - and giving him a pass by stating that he wanted to cut Eli but was forced to retain him. So, I don't think that's particularly fair.

I think most of the criticism of Gettleman's hiring was due to the fact that he was a Giants insider. That was my concern, and it remains that way. Very little was done to shake up the operation - Reese and Ross out, Gettleman and Koncz in. The scouting operations remained largely the same. This, after a token hiring process that didn't exactly inspire confidence (did anyone think they were ever seriously going to hire the only external candidate, Riddick?).

The Giants desperately needed some new blood. They had gotten stagnant, were falling behind the league in a number of different ways, and needed someone to take them out of their comfort zone for a bit. Instead, they called in Accorsi, hired Gettleman, the scouts were all safe, and they got a retread HC. And thus far, no matter how much anyone wants to sugar coat it - the results are not good.
I thought we hated Boomer  
Metnut : 10/15/2019 11:23 am : link
because he's always been mean to Eli?
I get the Accorsi thing....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:23 am : link
but you know, other teams use Accorsi as a consultant too, so maybe it's not just a Giants thing, maybe the guy has some good insight. And as a Giant himself, Accorsi probably wanted to get it right, which is an added value for us.
RE: I thought we hated Boomer  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14629391 Metnut said:
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because he's always been mean to Eli?


I don't care about Boomer. I don't know if he even believes what he says.

I'm just responding to the discussion at hand.
Ernie Accorsi  
Chris684 : 10/15/2019 11:26 am : link
Took Kerry Collins off the scrap heap for peanuts directly leading to another Super Bowl appearance and was the turning point for us exiting QB hell of mid 90's and then engineered the trade for Eli Manning and NYG fans bitch about the franchise consulting him from time to time?

Only Giants fans....
RE: I get the Accorsi thing....  
jcn56 : 10/15/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14629392 Britt in VA said:
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but you know, other teams use Accorsi as a consultant too, so maybe it's not just a Giants thing, maybe the guy has some good insight. And as a Giant himself, Accorsi probably wanted to get it right, which is an added value for us.


I don't doubt that he does. And I also don't think Gettleman is a bad GM. I just think both were entirely wrong for the Giants given that they were too close to the situation.

The fact that not one credible outsider was brought in to the process should have presented some red flags.
Thegratfulehead....there's a lot of truth to what you are saying  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 11:29 am : link
These are the types of fans that would bitch at everything unless the Giants become the Patriots, and even then they'd find shit to bitch about. Unreasonable expectations. Like expecting a team with the most dead cap in the NFL to make the playoffs. Now if we do I think it would signal awesome things moving forward, but I don't think the world is falling and the guys all suck if they don't.

2020 they should definitely make the playoffs and if they don't I'd support firing PS. He's shown me enough to question his ability not just game management stuff, but schematically. DG on the other hand, I really think has done a tremendous job turning this ship around with his hands tied to Eli. I think the Solder signing stems from this so I'm not going to kill him for it even though its a bad signing. There's a lot of people here pissed he didn't take Darnold and wail on the positional value argument. These people won't be happy until he's gone or win a SB. Wait until CMC signs his new contract and where that puts RBs on the scheme of things. There's a new type of NFL RB that is highly sought after in the last few years. DG has now drafted two of these uniquely talented RBs.
RE: RE: I get the Accorsi thing....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14629398 jcn56 said:
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but you know, other teams use Accorsi as a consultant too, so maybe it's not just a Giants thing, maybe the guy has some good insight. And as a Giant himself, Accorsi probably wanted to get it right, which is an added value for us.



I don't doubt that he does. And I also don't think Gettleman is a bad GM. I just think both were entirely wrong for the Giants given that they were too close to the situation.

The fact that not one credible outsider was brought in to the process should have presented some red flags.


Yeah, but the BIG concern was that they were going to be too loyal to Manning, which has now proven to be untrue.
With a QB drafted sixth overall and Manning benched after two games, that fear is/was unfounded.
A lot of people forget that Accorsi was hired by Carolina....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
for their GM search in 2012, which led to Gettleman there.
Myself included, btw....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 11:54 am : link
I was just looking back at Accorsi's consulting work.

He helped Carolina hire Gettleman in 2012, he helped Chicago hire a new GM in 2014, he helped Detroit hire a new GM in 2015, and then he helped us with the hiring of Gettleman in 2017/18.
He's drafting well  
AcesUp : 10/15/2019 11:55 am : link
IMV it's the most important responsibility of the GM. The shine does wear off on your young guys fairly quickly though (see 2014 draft). Most fans unrealistically expect steady and linear progression from every guy. That just doesn't happen across the board. Injuries will happen, egos will happen and some guys just flat out won't progress beyond what they show early. The early returns are VERY promising though, as good as you could hope for at this point, so he deserves a lot of credit for that. On the otherhand, he's made some mistakes, some big ones. I think his roster assessment last offseason was a huge one and probably set this rebuild back a season. We started our rebuild about 12 months ago when it should have been done 18 months ago. His batting average in UFA has been pretty bad as well. So it's a mixed bag in my opinion, he's made some moves that we know for a fact were mistakes while the things that he's done well are showing promise but still kind of an unknown. All things being equal, I'd rather connect on the draft picks than on UFA, with some cap waste early on in the reconstruction, so I am encouraged with what he's done on that front.
DG and his scouts  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/15/2019 11:57 am : link
seem to hump it and use their eyes to scout, unlike Reese who just looks up measurables in a spreadsheet.
RE: The problem with Gettleman discussion, as I see it here....  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14629368 Britt in VA said:
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is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.

There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.



Recall discussions on whether the hiring process was a bit of a sham, but not the rest you speak about above. What prompted the hire but now must fire opinions even before the draft?
Accorsi..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 12:13 pm : link
also consulted with the Colts on recent HC hirings.

But he does it for the Giants and it is looked at as rubber stamping the Giants way.
I don't think it was any one thing that prompted it....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
Perhaps saying he thought Eli still had life left? Perhaps the run the ball, rush the passer mantra being old? Definitely drafting Barkley over Darnold....

Just any and every move seemed to draw harsh criticism.
RE: Big_N  
Big_N : 10/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14629328 ryanmkeane said:
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are you actually trying to say that if we hated the pick at first, but then the guy turns out to be awesome, that we are still supposed to hate the player/pick?


OK but can we wait for him to be awesome first?

Reaching for Mahomes makes sense. reaching for a guy who predictably played 2 bad games in a row now as a rookie and understandably since he is a rookie with no real college accolades; doesn't make sense.

He still could have gotten him at 17 and Josh Allen at 6. Or who knows maybe we could have gotten someone else. I just don't like what I see from the guy to just fell in love with a pick; reach to get him; bring back Eli also. There's too many things wrong with that. But who knows we'll see.

And to follow up on my previous post....  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 12:21 pm : link
every move was believed to be based on extending Eli's career, and therefore wholly criticized, not for the move itself, but because of the belief that it was only done for one person.

Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.
RE: A lot of people forget that Accorsi was hired by Carolina....  
Big_N : 10/15/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14629435 Britt in VA said:
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for their GM search in 2012, which led to Gettleman there.


that is really weird. I can't see them agreeing on much, Ernie would never draft a RB that high.
It is very..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 12:22 pm : link
much in doubt that Jones would have been there at 17.

It is like you are ticking off a checklist of talking points from 12 weeks ago.
So do we like Boomer now?  
HomerJones45 : 10/15/2019 12:24 pm : link
because normally around here it's hard to tell whether his name is "Boomer" or "asshole".
Boomer sucks regardless of what he said.  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 12:24 pm : link
.
RE: Does this..  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14629224 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have to be constantly rehashed??

He was fired from the Panthers because he looked to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen before they were done as effective players and the owner blocked him from doing so.



That's half the story.

From the Charlotte Observer:

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In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization.

Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year.

The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building and some of the post-Super Bowl personnel decisions – notably rescinding cornerback Josh Norman’s franchise tag in April 2016 – played a part in Gettleman’s ouster.


Yes, the Olson and Davis situations were a part, but it looks like they were the "tipping point"...
Gettleman Firing - ( New Window )
Josh Norman was one of those holes (pun intended).  
Britt in VA : 10/15/2019 12:28 pm : link
It was the right move to let him walk.
Some of you  
TrueBlue56 : 10/15/2019 12:29 pm : link
That don't want to give much to any credit to gettleman for what Carolina did while he was there; need to take a look at Carolina's record prior to him being GM and what they have done since his departure.
RE: I don't think it was any one thing that prompted it....  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14629484 Britt in VA said:
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Perhaps saying he thought Eli still had life left? Perhaps the run the ball, rush the passer mantra being old? Definitely drafting Barkley over Darnold....

Just any and every move seemed to draw harsh criticism.


Of course as many have opinions as to what is wrong and how to fix and what comes first. Criticism and even harsh but I don’t think that is the same thing you are intimating above which is just “fire”. If so the firing crowd was just a not hire crowd in the first place.
RE: And to follow up on my previous post....  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14629494 Britt in VA said:
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every move was believed to be based on extending Eli's career, and therefore wholly criticized, not for the move itself, but because of the belief that it was only done for one person.

Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.


And following up on this statement...

a lot of the criticism was indeed valid as many here believed Eli was enough of an issue that he should have been addressed earlier but wasn’t. Whether it took DG a year to figure that out or he was forced to go along then much was done for one person and possibly true.

Needless to say he went in a different direction in year 2...
RE: And to follow up on my previous post....  
ron mexico : 10/15/2019 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14629494 Britt in VA said:
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every move was believed to be based on extending Eli's career, and therefore wholly criticized, not for the move itself, but because of the belief that it was only done for one person.

Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.


Wait, why is this untrue now? How does Shurmur benching Eli after game 2 absolve Gettleman for bringing him back for “one more run” in the first place?
Eli, his big salary combined with mediocre play, and  
RollBlue : 10/15/2019 1:15 pm : link
piss poor coaching have been the primary culprits. How a team can go 11-5 with a poor head coach (Mara's choice, I believe, more than Reese) and the cupboard bare defies logic. It was time to move on from Reese, but he should be treated with respect for being a big part of 2 Super Bowls. Arguing otherwise is just the height of stupidity, and then some.

In regards to Gettleman, he hasn't fixed the O-Line, has overspent on FA, his HC looks like a poor choice (again, maybe Mara played a part) and he has drafted in the number 2 and 6 slots, that makes a difference. Having said all that, it certainly appears that he may have hit a home run by getting Barkley last year, and Jones this year, with Jones being more important by far. If he's as good or better than Darnold 2-3 years from now.......
RE: Accorsi..  
jcn56 : 10/15/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14629481 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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also consulted with the Colts on recent HC hirings.

But he does it for the Giants and it is looked at as rubber stamping the Giants way.


Do you remember how many candidates were part of the Colts' GM search?

The reason it looked like a rubber stamp was because the process was limited to an internal candidate who was an obvious courtesy candidate (and was later fired), Gettleman, and an ESPN analyst. The Colts had six candidates that they interviewed after narrowing down their list.
RE: RE: And to follow up on my previous post....  
Now Mike in MD : 10/15/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14629565 ron mexico said:
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every move was believed to be based on extending Eli's career, and therefore wholly criticized, not for the move itself, but because of the belief that it was only done for one person.

Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.



Wait, why is this untrue now? How does Shurmur benching Eli after game 2 absolve Gettleman for bringing him back for “one more run” in the first place?


Why do people keep saying this when it is not true. Eli's roster bonus of 5 mill was due BEFORE the draft. At that point in time, DG had no idea whether a QB he wanted would be available let alone whether if Jones was picked, he would pick things up this quickly. Cutting Eli in March would have made no sense and left the team completely strapped at the QB position.
Disagree  
ron mexico : 10/15/2019 1:28 pm : link
any number of stop gaps could have been brought in to perform near the level Eli gave us.

You didn't have to know how Jones would perform to realize it was time to move on from Eli.
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