Started by speaking to the MVP type player Christian McCaffrey has become in Carolina, who of course was a Gettleman pick. Then he went on to remind that Gettleman led Carolina to a Super Bowl appearance not so long ago.
Bringing it over to the Giants, he specifically praised the Jones and Barkley picks and then said the Giants have some very talented young players on the roster and mentioned Hernandez, Lawrence and Baker.
Boomer said he thinks Gettleman has proven that he has an eye for talent and the Giants are headed in the right direction. He finished by stating that he also doesn't mind when Gettleman might say one thing and do another because it's not his job to share his thoughts with anyone outside the organization (an oblivious dig at Francessa).
They had, I think, nine Pro Bowlers on that team. Gettleman acquired one of them, the rest were on the roster the day he was hired. So, yeah, I say he was hardly the architect of that team.
Just like it would be difficult to say that his FA moves have been good.
Say what you want about Gettleman, but he has stones, which is why when posters insinuate he's been given mandates by ownership to follow, I just shake my head.
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not really much drafted talent in 2016. Other than Beckham and Collins, what Reese drafted players were any good? It was all FA spending that did it, and then a year later that strategy crashed and burned and continued to burn for a few more years. Collins just got paid and is playing like an average at best Safety and Beckham is also gone. But the crime is that OLine, just whiff after whiff after whiff. Hernandez, while still progressing, has as much promise as any lineman I can remember Reese drafting, probably more.
Sterling Shepard is still a starter here. Eli Apple is starting in NO. Paul Perkins is on Detroit's roster.
Shit, BJ Goodson is seeing the field plenty in GB and doing a good job for a guy drafted 109th overall.
Remember the Giants 4th round draft pick from last year? Drafted one pick earlier - where's he now?
I forgot about Shepard. The others you seem to be giving credit for “still being here” which is a low barometer. Perkins isn’t good and Apple looks to have leveled out to average but simply wasn’t fit for NY.
Yeah Lauletta is gone. I’m not sure your point, did I say his draft record was spotless? I said he isn’t a perfect GM but he’s infused more talent on this team than Reese did since the last Super Bowl. You seem to think something else about my statements and I don’t know why, it’s all right there for you to read.
I also didn’t mention Connelly and what looks to be a 5th round gem. Too bad we have to wait until next year now but he looked better in those couple games than any Reese draft pick at LBer.
Those results say it all. Thanks for posting this for all to see......unfortunately some here don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear. (Blind and deaf)
There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.
They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
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went to the playoffs 4 times in Gettleman's tenure including a Super Bowl loss. He was the GM for 5 seasons. That is an extremely good tenure. He was promptly fired by their ridiculous owner.
Those results say it all. Thanks for posting this for all to see......unfortunately some here don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear. (Blind and deaf)
Interestingly enough, many will tell you that it was Jerry Reese who was responsible for the 2007 team (and make no mistake, his draft class in 2007 played a HUGE part in that championship). They won't give Gettleman credit because the team was built before he got there, but they'll turn around and give Reese credit for 2007.
Both deserve credit.
There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.
They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
Well, to be fair, some posters will always be negative regardless of the success. If Gettleman wins a championship here, some posters will still be miserable fucks. Just the way it is.
I'll also admit that I didn't want SB - I wanted a QB.
I will say this though - I have done a 180 on those guys. I now find myself actually defending both of them and kinda like what they've done so far.
I think they had their hand forced by ownership to operate in the fashion that they did - and now - I support them b/c I think they're doing a good job.
I can admit when I'm wrong.
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went to the playoffs 4 times in Gettleman's tenure including a Super Bowl loss. He was the GM for 5 seasons. That is an extremely good tenure. He was promptly fired by their ridiculous owner.
Those results say it all. Thanks for posting this for all to see......unfortunately some here don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear. (Blind and deaf)
Interestingly enough, many will tell you that it was Jerry Reese who was responsible for the 2007 team (and make no mistake, his draft class in 2007 played a HUGE part in that championship). They won't give Gettleman credit because the team was built before he got there, but they'll turn around and give Reese credit for 2007.
Both deserve credit.
Good point.
In the Past: in Reese I trust
In the Present: in Gettleman I trust
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is that there is/was a large contingent of posters who think he was hired on a mandate from ownership as a yes man, and resigned themselves to more of the same.
There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.
They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
Well, to be fair, some posters will always be negative regardless of the success. If Gettleman wins a championship here, some posters will still be miserable fucks. Just the way it is.
Yeah, but this particular instance, I felt was more unhinged than what I've seen in the past? Sign of the times? A near decade of losing taking it's toll? Maybe both.
In the Past: in Reese I trust
In the Present: in Gettleman I trust
I was a big In Reese I trust Guy, until the core deteriorated and he didn't really appear to have any plan in place to fix it.
There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.
They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
Holy crap.
I'll also admit that I didn't want SB - I wanted a QB.
I will say this though - I have done a 180 on those guys. I now find myself actually defending both of them and kinda like what they've done so far.
I think they had their hand forced by ownership to operate in the fashion that they did - and now - I support them b/c I think they're doing a good job.
I can admit when I'm wrong.
There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.
They won't admit it, but they were dug WAY in on their opinion of Gettleman before the ink was dry on his contract. We are still seeing the remnants of that.
There are posts **in this thread** - defending him because he was FORCED to be a yes man - and giving him a pass by stating that he wanted to cut Eli but was forced to retain him. So, I don't think that's particularly fair.
I think most of the criticism of Gettleman's hiring was due to the fact that he was a Giants insider. That was my concern, and it remains that way. Very little was done to shake up the operation - Reese and Ross out, Gettleman and Koncz in. The scouting operations remained largely the same. This, after a token hiring process that didn't exactly inspire confidence (did anyone think they were ever seriously going to hire the only external candidate, Riddick?).
The Giants desperately needed some new blood. They had gotten stagnant, were falling behind the league in a number of different ways, and needed someone to take them out of their comfort zone for a bit. Instead, they called in Accorsi, hired Gettleman, the scouts were all safe, and they got a retread HC. And thus far, no matter how much anyone wants to sugar coat it - the results are not good.
I don't care about Boomer. I don't know if he even believes what he says.
I'm just responding to the discussion at hand.
Only Giants fans....
I don't doubt that he does. And I also don't think Gettleman is a bad GM. I just think both were entirely wrong for the Giants given that they were too close to the situation.
The fact that not one credible outsider was brought in to the process should have presented some red flags.
2020 they should definitely make the playoffs and if they don't I'd support firing PS. He's shown me enough to question his ability not just game management stuff, but schematically. DG on the other hand, I really think has done a tremendous job turning this ship around with his hands tied to Eli. I think the Solder signing stems from this so I'm not going to kill him for it even though its a bad signing. There's a lot of people here pissed he didn't take Darnold and wail on the positional value argument. These people won't be happy until he's gone or win a SB. Wait until CMC signs his new contract and where that puts RBs on the scheme of things. There's a new type of NFL RB that is highly sought after in the last few years. DG has now drafted two of these uniquely talented RBs.
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but you know, other teams use Accorsi as a consultant too, so maybe it's not just a Giants thing, maybe the guy has some good insight. And as a Giant himself, Accorsi probably wanted to get it right, which is an added value for us.
I don't doubt that he does. And I also don't think Gettleman is a bad GM. I just think both were entirely wrong for the Giants given that they were too close to the situation.
The fact that not one credible outsider was brought in to the process should have presented some red flags.
Yeah, but the BIG concern was that they were going to be too loyal to Manning, which has now proven to be untrue.
With a QB drafted sixth overall and Manning benched after two games, that fear is/was unfounded.
He helped Carolina hire Gettleman in 2012, he helped Chicago hire a new GM in 2014, he helped Detroit hire a new GM in 2015, and then he helped us with the hiring of Gettleman in 2017/18.
There were multiple threads, by multiple posters, with 100's of posts pondering whether it was okay to fire Gettleman before he even fielded his first team here. Think about the hysterics involved in that. Hiring a GM, only to fire him before he's even gotten to the pre-season? That was a hot topic here for months, and only exacerbated when we passed on Darnold for Barkley.
Recall discussions on whether the hiring process was a bit of a sham, but not the rest you speak about above. What prompted the hire but now must fire opinions even before the draft?
But he does it for the Giants and it is looked at as rubber stamping the Giants way.
Just any and every move seemed to draw harsh criticism.
OK but can we wait for him to be awesome first?
Reaching for Mahomes makes sense. reaching for a guy who predictably played 2 bad games in a row now as a rookie and understandably since he is a rookie with no real college accolades; doesn't make sense.
He still could have gotten him at 17 and Josh Allen at 6. Or who knows maybe we could have gotten someone else. I just don't like what I see from the guy to just fell in love with a pick; reach to get him; bring back Eli also. There's too many things wrong with that. But who knows we'll see.
Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.
that is really weird. I can't see them agreeing on much, Ernie would never draft a RB that high.
It is like you are ticking off a checklist of talking points from 12 weeks ago.
He was fired from the Panthers because he looked to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen before they were done as effective players and the owner blocked him from doing so.
That's half the story.
From the Charlotte Observer:
Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year.
The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building and some of the post-Super Bowl personnel decisions – notably rescinding cornerback Josh Norman’s franchise tag in April 2016 – played a part in Gettleman’s ouster.
Yes, the Olson and Davis situations were a part, but it looks like they were the "tipping point"...
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Just any and every move seemed to draw harsh criticism.
Of course as many have opinions as to what is wrong and how to fix and what comes first. Criticism and even harsh but I don’t think that is the same thing you are intimating above which is just “fire”. If so the firing crowd was just a not hire crowd in the first place.
Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.
And following up on this statement...
a lot of the criticism was indeed valid as many here believed Eli was enough of an issue that he should have been addressed earlier but wasn’t. Whether it took DG a year to figure that out or he was forced to go along then much was done for one person and possibly true.
Needless to say he went in a different direction in year 2...
Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.
Wait, why is this untrue now? How does Shurmur benching Eli after game 2 absolve Gettleman for bringing him back for “one more run” in the first place?
In regards to Gettleman, he hasn't fixed the O-Line, has overspent on FA, his HC looks like a poor choice (again, maybe Mara played a part) and he has drafted in the number 2 and 6 slots, that makes a difference. Having said all that, it certainly appears that he may have hit a home run by getting Barkley last year, and Jones this year, with Jones being more important by far. If he's as good or better than Darnold 2-3 years from now.......
But he does it for the Giants and it is looked at as rubber stamping the Giants way.
Do you remember how many candidates were part of the Colts' GM search?
The reason it looked like a rubber stamp was because the process was limited to an internal candidate who was an obvious courtesy candidate (and was later fired), Gettleman, and an ESPN analyst. The Colts had six candidates that they interviewed after narrowing down their list.
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every move was believed to be based on extending Eli's career, and therefore wholly criticized, not for the move itself, but because of the belief that it was only done for one person.
Now, we know that all to be untrue. But it doesn't erase 18 months of that belief overnight.
Wait, why is this untrue now? How does Shurmur benching Eli after game 2 absolve Gettleman for bringing him back for “one more run” in the first place?
Why do people keep saying this when it is not true. Eli's roster bonus of 5 mill was due BEFORE the draft. At that point in time, DG had no idea whether a QB he wanted would be available let alone whether if Jones was picked, he would pick things up this quickly. Cutting Eli in March would have made no sense and left the team completely strapped at the QB position.
You didn't have to know how Jones would perform to realize it was time to move on from Eli.