They better go get at least one receiver if not two. They don’t have many years of 12 left and with Adams our it’s the worst receiving corps with football even with Allison who may now be out too
I've said the game is too hard to officiate. But this isn't some hard judgment. TWICE he called hands to the face at critical junctures and the guy's hands are not on the facemask. That just can't happen.
Espn just threw in there at the end that Crosby’s wife had cancer.
How many shots of Staffords wife and what they went through an entire game? And as Crosby wins it by the end .... oh by the way if youre still here, he went through the same.
Makes you wonder
I actually like the Packers more than the Lions and I don't really Â
The refs really interjected themselves into the games not only in this one, but in others. And in the Giants-Pats game, even with replay review of a non-call on pass interference, they don't get it right. I think it was the Vikings-Eagles game I saw the ref call 5 penalties in a row, and they were not egregious.
The NFL needs to issue a memo to these refs this week because they are atrocious right now, and I usually defend them.
I recommend going back to watch the 1989-90 Giants Â
when the NFL was in its golden years. Few flags and fewer reviews. The game flowed from play to play, unlike now when two out of every three plays is followed by all the players milling around while the officials decide what penalties to call or whether a play should be reversed.
I feel ripped off spending hours watching a game to see the officials hand the game over on a bogus penalty. Pretty soon they'll be reviewing every penalty, although that would be quite pointless they reverse all penalties to the very limited extent that they are reversing PI calls.
I saw a handful of games this weekend and in the limited action I saw I counted at least 5 blown calls, 3 for PI and 2 for offensive holding.
I think they should just make all penalties reviewable. They'll probably do the same that they do with the BS PI reviews now (where they never overturn anything), but at least the option would be on the table for something really egregious.
Yet another nationally broadcast NFL game where the postgame conversation all over media is the officiating travesties.
What. A. Shock.
I don't even watch these games anymore. Years ago, I wouldn't miss a snap, no matter which teams were playing. What a pile of garbage this sport has become.
If you're going to make PI reviewable, why not other penalties as well? Why the fuck wouldn't you just also make illegal hands to the face or facemask penalties reviewable as well if you're making PI reviewable? I mean it's not like every single call or non-call would be challenged because teams still only have a limited number of challenges, right? And I still say that with under 2 minutes left challenges should come from New York. That way in a situation like this where we all clearly see there's no foul, the outcome of the game could be saved from being completely tainted as it was tonight.
A situation like the Saints/Rams NFCCG may never happen again with a non-PI call, but some other game of equally large or larger magnitude still is at risk of being totally ruined by an egregious call or non-call of a DIFFERENT penalty.
Falcons and Lions undeniably both lost on the back of very bad calls. Â
video replay and told that his performance hurts the VIEWING pleasure of ALL NFL games and asked for an explanation of his decision.
Then he should be fired right then and there and given a good swift kick in the ass.
F#$&*k NFL refereeing.
that PFT article is a succinct yet perfect description of Â
the situation. it's not just our viewing pleasure that's out the window, this will effect the gambling in which the NFL has a stake.
it's unbelievable that the NFL is letting this happen. I know I end up pissed off weekly during games in which I have no rooting interest. I know this is a solvable problem because i'm rarely aggravated by NCAAF officiating. not once yet this year.
RE: That ref has got to be reprimanded in front of the Â
video replay and told that his performance hurts the VIEWING pleasure of ALL NFL games and asked for an explanation of his decision.
Then he should be fired right then and there and given a good swift kick in the ass.
F#$&*k NFL refereeing.
I don’t understand why they aren’t instructed to only call what you see, not what you think you see. Are they? If you don’t literally see the hand on the face mask, it’s not a penalty. I’d you don’t literally see the helmet hit the helmet, it’s not helmet to helmet!!! Don’t assume a penalty happened be she’s it looks like it based on the player’s movement or reaction. That’s second hand evidence, and it should be clear visual evidence. Are there not enough penalties called that we can’t move to a standard/criteria of that distinct and definitive nature????
Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. If there were an official in a booth in the stadium constantly reviewing on-field action, that would mitigate the stoppages if he could buzz down to the officials (like the way a coach talks to players in their helmet). Think about all the times the officials huddle together to see how they can best screw up the call and how much quicker those conferences could be if there were a dedicated video guy buzzing in and saying "Hands never touched the facemask" or whatever.
College does not have this problem because they have embraced replay Â
The NFL also needs to fox the grading system. They need to weigh phantom calls much more negatively. This would drastically reduce the number of calls a game.
Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. If there were an official in a booth in the stadium constantly reviewing on-field action, that would mitigate the stoppages if he could buzz down to the officials (like the way a coach talks to players in their helmet). Think about all the times the officials huddle together to see how they can best screw up the call and how much quicker those conferences could be if there were a dedicated video guy buzzing in and saying "Hands never touched the facemask" or whatever.
NCAA has a video review ref at the game that can stop play for a review..so there is precedent and it is quick and easy. But the Officials will not allow it.
Eric in college the replay system is much tighter, takes about half Â
at it on Youtube... Man, these refs need to be replaced. That was 2 disgraceful calls. The LT threw his head back on purpose to make it look like Flowers had his hands on the Neck/Facemask. Booger was right to go off...
that the NFL can't figure this out. How can Goodell watch this and think this is good for the game? College Football, for all the terrible flaws that the NCAA brings to the table, the actual game product is fantastic.
RE: Eric in college the replay system is much tighter, takes about half Â
Agreed, everything "in game" with college is really good, keeps the flow going and minimal replay reviews. If there is something dicey, it almost always gets resolved within a minute or two.
a divisional loss which really impacts tie-breakers and it was a Conference loss.
Those calls had as much of a direct impact on the outcome as the calls in the Saints game did, and the Lions will be lucky to get an apology letter for it.
I don't even watch these games anymore. Years ago, I wouldn't miss a snap, no matter which teams were playing. What a pile of garbage this sport has become.
It's been a long time since I paid much attention to games not involving the Giants.
that the NFL can't figure this out. How can Goodell watch this and think this is good for the game? College Football, for all the terrible flaws that the NCAA brings to the table, the actual game product is fantastic.
I honestly think the NFL loves the controversy. It just adds to the drama and keeps people/media talking about the NFL. The NFL is really just another TV show. A drama. An on going soap opera...
Unless ratings materially change, the NFL will continue to laugh all the way to the bank....
that the NFL can't figure this out. How can Goodell watch this and think this is good for the game? College Football, for all the terrible flaws that the NCAA brings to the table, the actual game product is fantastic.
I honestly think the NFL loves the controversy. It just adds to the drama and keeps people/media talking about the NFL. The NFL is really just another TV show. A drama. An on going soap opera...
Unless ratings materially change, the NFL will continue to laugh all the way to the bank....
There might actually be something to this. It is getting harder and harder to believe that Al Riveron and Roger Goodell are actually this incompetent. Basic incompetence, sure. But this is getting to a level of ridiculousness that seems almost intentional.
Does the league follow the belief that there is no such thing as bad PR? Why did the refs last night seem to revel in calling some of the penalties they called that were so bad?
"Pass interference...DEFENSE!!!! That is a FIRST DOWN!!!"
I am not one for conspiracy theories, but it is getting difficult to explain this away to incompetence by otherwise functional adults.
With Cowboys Jets iirc their wasn’t many penalties in that game being called until the last drive when they tried to influence a win by the cowboys
NFL should be looking at that or how about Giants vs Patriots for most of that game they only called penalties on the Giants wtf
have been an outcome of the Giants-Pats game is the cancelling of using replay for PI.
When it became brutally apparent that a PI wasn't going to be overturned because it didn't impact the outcome of a game - it should be immediately abandoned, because it is just another example of an inconsistent and arbitrary application of the rules.
have been an outcome of the Giants-Pats game is the cancelling of using replay for PI.
When it became brutally apparent that a PI wasn't going to be overturned because it didn't impact the outcome of a game - it should be immediately abandoned, because it is just another example of an inconsistent and arbitrary application of the rules.
This shit show is going to come to a head during the playoffs when they start overturning calls that haven't been all year. Or not overturning PI. They've literally set themselves up for failure. There are going to be angry people on both sides.
when this year a playoff game is impacted by a non-call on a blatant facemask, or calling two bullshit hands to the face penalties in a final drive to seal a win.
They don't have a recourse to change those calls. So will next year make even more penalties reviewable??
RE: RE: That ref has got to be reprimanded in front of the Â
I don’t understand why they aren’t instructed to only call what you see, not what you think you see. Are they? If you don’t literally see the hand on the face mask, it’s not a penalty. I’d you don’t literally see the helmet hit the helmet, it’s not helmet to helmet!!! Don’t assume a penalty happened be she’s it looks like it based on the player’s movement or reaction. That’s second hand evidence, and it should be clear visual evidence. Are there not enough penalties called that we can’t move to a standard/criteria of that distinct and definitive nature????
I'm no expert on the matter, but I think that is a little too simplistic view of the complicated role your mind plays in what you "see." The human mind is continuously filling in gaps when interpreting the signals coming from the eyes. Because of this, it very well could be that the close proximity of the hand to the face and the movement of the offensive lineman's head (seemingly in response to it) all caused the ref to actually see hands to the face.
To be clear, I'm not trying to excuse the refs. It's possible he consciously thought there must be hands to the face even though he didn't see it. But I think it's also possible that he actually saw hands to the face because his brain filled in the gaps before it even registered as something seen.
It's the way they handle replay. The college game has it down to a science with a replay ref dedicated to every game that has final say. The problem is the NFL looks at replay as a way to add a few more commercial breaks and have put the ref on the field in charge who is going to be biased towards the call on the field. Replay is part of the solution, but the implementation has been horrible.
It's the way they handle replay. The college game has it down to a science with a replay ref dedicated to every game that has final say. The problem is the NFL looks at replay as a way to add a few more commercial breaks and have put the ref on the field in charge who is going to be biased towards the call on the field. Replay is part of the solution, but the implementation has been horrible.
This is 100% correct. The NCAA has it correct. It is quick, it sees mistakes and corrects them - impartially. No on field referee to back his buddies and either see or not see a play that backs the on field call. No NY review to do the same.
The only way to end this is to scrap it and start over even if it means dismissing all the exiting officials who in my opinion are disregarding the rules committee has set down.
Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
That's among their proposals, but only because there's no sense in reviewing some things and not others.
But I like the idea they advocate of just having a guy watch every play. In the time it currently takes the on-field refs to deliberate, that guy will have had access to multiple angles and can make a more informed decision.
Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
That's among their proposals, but only because there's no sense in reviewing some things and not others.
But I like the idea they advocate of just having a guy watch every play. In the time it currently takes the on-field refs to deliberate, that guy will have had access to multiple angles and can make a more informed decision.
As slow as some of the refs are, by the time the BJ jogs in to confer with the other refs, the ref in the sky could review it, take a dump, and still grab some coffee before informing the BJ he needs his prescription checked.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
If you remember, Landon Collins dove for an interception, I believe caught it(IIRC) and was called for helmet to helmet. What referees continuously make mistakes on is that the defense has as much right to the ball in the air as the offense.
It was clear in the replays that the safety was making a play on the ball. In all fairness why wasn't the WR called?
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
Like Walt Coleman. Like it or not aging decreases your ability to process information, there is a ton of scientific evidence of this. Processing the game in real time on the field with these super athletes is much different than from the comfort of your couch. The best referees are in college and are usually in that sweet spot in their 40's, with enough experience, but haven't been significantly affected by cognitive decline yet. Soccer understands this, but I have no idea why football doesn't address the issue.
When the league has officiating issues like this AND does not appear to be overly concerned about addressing or even acknowledging them, it provides fertile ground for the growth of conspiracy theories.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
If you remember, Landon Collins dove for an interception, I believe caught it(IIRC) and was called for helmet to helmet. What referees continuously make mistakes on is that the defense has as much right to the ball in the air as the offense.
It was clear in the replays that the safety was making a play on the ball. In all fairness why wasn't the WR called?
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
Definitely. But my point is, when helmet to helmet occurs, call it that. Regardless if it's unnecessary or simply by mistake (as was the case last night).
Just sorta makes it easier to grasp, and also when you call it that way, it's more in tune what the call really is. Regardless of intent, helmet to helmet is an actual penalty.
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
Are you sure? I'm seeing some very old men out there who don't move very well in a game that is being played by bigger, faster, quicker, stronger athletes. And many of the referees aren't going to be doing Orange Therapy commercials any time soon...
Harsh? I guess. But in a game that moves as fast as the NFL it seems logical to want it judged by people who are capable of moving adequately to properly judge the game...
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
Are you sure? I'm seeing some very old men out there who don't move very well in a game that is being played by bigger, faster, quicker, stronger athletes. And many of the referees aren't going to be doing Orange Therapy commercials any time soon...
Harsh? I guess. But in a game that moves as fast as the NFL it seems logical to want it judged by people who are capable of moving adequately to properly judge the game...
attention wasn't given to the Collins flag. He was called for that flag on a play where he intercepted it.
Think about that. He dove to catch a ball and he was flagged for a penalty for a hit on a defenseless receiver.
He was the first player to touch the ball too.
When I brought that up I thought it was the Eagles that that happened. I don't get this calling defensive players for penalties when the receivers were technically as guilty if either one was guilty...
I'm actually heading to Detroit for business of all places that week. Trying to swing a side trip for the game.
C'mon that was as close as close gets.
Lions should be up by more right now.
I agree with that. He's always been a good qb.
Unreal drop. I could catch that after 3 hours at the bar.
Ok he just got some help from the Lions
Odell in that very stadium in the playoffs lol
Maybe because they are paying Alex Smith, Keenum, McCoy, and Haskins?
I like Stafford. He's underrated.
It is to a point now where playing defense is more about disruption and confusion as physicality will get you penalties.
Agreed.
Emmanuel, AJ green, Sanu... they need something
yup
Refs not having a stellar nite...
Right now the refs are the most important people on the field, what they do has more to do with who wins than what any player does.
These calls are pathetic. The NFL needs to take challenges out and just have a video replay guy who change wrong calls. Those were not penalties.
Detroit played very well. They are going the right direction...
How do we voice dissatisfaction to the nfl headquarters? They need to be bombarded with complaints not from the fans of teams being effected.
The LT was flopping, they were basing the calls on him pretending his head was getting shoved back. Punk shit
Uh, Coach Rodgers runs that team.
Don't be fooled otherwise...
How many shots of Staffords wife and what they went through an entire game? And as Crosby wins it by the end .... oh by the way if youre still here, he went through the same.
Makes you wonder
Unfortunately that was the first thing I was thinking as well. These young coaches just get it.
The NFL needs to issue a memo to these refs this week because they are atrocious right now, and I usually defend them.
I feel ripped off spending hours watching a game to see the officials hand the game over on a bogus penalty. Pretty soon they'll be reviewing every penalty, although that would be quite pointless they reverse all penalties to the very limited extent that they are reversing PI calls.
I think they should just make all penalties reviewable. They'll probably do the same that they do with the BS PI reviews now (where they never overturn anything), but at least the option would be on the table for something really egregious.
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
Give it a fucking break already...for fuck's sake.
The NFL would run out of WRs in about 2 weeks...
The last thing the NFL needs is this becoming like Soccer. Player faking a penalty should get penalized himself at the very least
What. A. Shock.
I don't even watch these games anymore. Years ago, I wouldn't miss a snap, no matter which teams were playing. What a pile of garbage this sport has become.
A situation like the Saints/Rams NFCCG may never happen again with a non-PI call, but some other game of equally large or larger magnitude still is at risk of being totally ruined by an egregious call or non-call of a DIFFERENT penalty.
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These calls are pathetic. The NFL needs to take challenges out and just have a video replay guy who change wrong calls. Those were not penalties.
PFT has a pretty good take on it all.
Pair of pantom calls on Trey Flowers - ( New Window )
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Twice Detroit got fucked by that LT flopping
These calls are pathetic. The NFL needs to take challenges out and just have a video replay guy who change wrong calls. Those were not penalties.
PFT has a pretty good take on it all. Pair of pantom calls on Trey Flowers - ( New Window )
Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
Then he should be fired right then and there and given a good swift kick in the ass.
F#$&*k NFL refereeing.
it's unbelievable that the NFL is letting this happen. I know I end up pissed off weekly during games in which I have no rooting interest. I know this is a solvable problem because i'm rarely aggravated by NCAAF officiating. not once yet this year.
Then he should be fired right then and there and given a good swift kick in the ass.
F#$&*k NFL refereeing.
I don’t understand why they aren’t instructed to only call what you see, not what you think you see. Are they? If you don’t literally see the hand on the face mask, it’s not a penalty. I’d you don’t literally see the helmet hit the helmet, it’s not helmet to helmet!!! Don’t assume a penalty happened be she’s it looks like it based on the player’s movement or reaction. That’s second hand evidence, and it should be clear visual evidence. Are there not enough penalties called that we can’t move to a standard/criteria of that distinct and definitive nature????
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Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. If there were an official in a booth in the stadium constantly reviewing on-field action, that would mitigate the stoppages if he could buzz down to the officials (like the way a coach talks to players in their helmet). Think about all the times the officials huddle together to see how they can best screw up the call and how much quicker those conferences could be if there were a dedicated video guy buzzing in and saying "Hands never touched the facemask" or whatever.
The NFL also needs to fox the grading system. They need to weigh phantom calls much more negatively. This would drastically reduce the number of calls a game.
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Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. If there were an official in a booth in the stadium constantly reviewing on-field action, that would mitigate the stoppages if he could buzz down to the officials (like the way a coach talks to players in their helmet). Think about all the times the officials huddle together to see how they can best screw up the call and how much quicker those conferences could be if there were a dedicated video guy buzzing in and saying "Hands never touched the facemask" or whatever.
NCAA has a video review ref at the game that can stop play for a review..so there is precedent and it is quick and easy. But the Officials will not allow it.
It is an absolute travesty
Agreed, everything "in game" with college is really good, keeps the flow going and minimal replay reviews. If there is something dicey, it almost always gets resolved within a minute or two.
Those calls had as much of a direct impact on the outcome as the calls in the Saints game did, and the Lions will be lucky to get an apology letter for it.
It's been a long time since I paid much attention to games not involving the Giants.
I honestly think the NFL loves the controversy. It just adds to the drama and keeps people/media talking about the NFL. The NFL is really just another TV show. A drama. An on going soap opera...
Unless ratings materially change, the NFL will continue to laugh all the way to the bank....
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that the NFL can't figure this out. How can Goodell watch this and think this is good for the game? College Football, for all the terrible flaws that the NCAA brings to the table, the actual game product is fantastic.
I honestly think the NFL loves the controversy. It just adds to the drama and keeps people/media talking about the NFL. The NFL is really just another TV show. A drama. An on going soap opera...
Unless ratings materially change, the NFL will continue to laugh all the way to the bank....
There might actually be something to this. It is getting harder and harder to believe that Al Riveron and Roger Goodell are actually this incompetent. Basic incompetence, sure. But this is getting to a level of ridiculousness that seems almost intentional.
Does the league follow the belief that there is no such thing as bad PR? Why did the refs last night seem to revel in calling some of the penalties they called that were so bad?
"Pass interference...DEFENSE!!!! That is a FIRST DOWN!!!"
I am not one for conspiracy theories, but it is getting difficult to explain this away to incompetence by otherwise functional adults.
NFL should be looking at that or how about Giants vs Patriots for most of that game they only called penalties on the Giants wtf
When it became brutally apparent that a PI wasn't going to be overturned because it didn't impact the outcome of a game - it should be immediately abandoned, because it is just another example of an inconsistent and arbitrary application of the rules.
When it became brutally apparent that a PI wasn't going to be overturned because it didn't impact the outcome of a game - it should be immediately abandoned, because it is just another example of an inconsistent and arbitrary application of the rules.
This shit show is going to come to a head during the playoffs when they start overturning calls that haven't been all year. Or not overturning PI. They've literally set themselves up for failure. There are going to be angry people on both sides.
They don't have a recourse to change those calls. So will next year make even more penalties reviewable??
I don’t understand why they aren’t instructed to only call what you see, not what you think you see. Are they? If you don’t literally see the hand on the face mask, it’s not a penalty. I’d you don’t literally see the helmet hit the helmet, it’s not helmet to helmet!!! Don’t assume a penalty happened be she’s it looks like it based on the player’s movement or reaction. That’s second hand evidence, and it should be clear visual evidence. Are there not enough penalties called that we can’t move to a standard/criteria of that distinct and definitive nature????
I'm no expert on the matter, but I think that is a little too simplistic view of the complicated role your mind plays in what you "see." The human mind is continuously filling in gaps when interpreting the signals coming from the eyes. Because of this, it very well could be that the close proximity of the hand to the face and the movement of the offensive lineman's head (seemingly in response to it) all caused the ref to actually see hands to the face.
To be clear, I'm not trying to excuse the refs. It's possible he consciously thought there must be hands to the face even though he didn't see it. But I think it's also possible that he actually saw hands to the face because his brain filled in the gaps before it even registered as something seen.
Referees.. - ( New Window )
It's not a solution. It's part of the problem.
It's not a solution. It's part of the problem.
It's the way they handle replay. The college game has it down to a science with a replay ref dedicated to every game that has final say. The problem is the NFL looks at replay as a way to add a few more commercial breaks and have put the ref on the field in charge who is going to be biased towards the call on the field. Replay is part of the solution, but the implementation has been horrible.
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has made the existing system EVEN MORE corrupt.
It's not a solution. It's part of the problem.
It's the way they handle replay. The college game has it down to a science with a replay ref dedicated to every game that has final say. The problem is the NFL looks at replay as a way to add a few more commercial breaks and have put the ref on the field in charge who is going to be biased towards the call on the field. Replay is part of the solution, but the implementation has been horrible.
This is 100% correct. The NCAA has it correct. It is quick, it sees mistakes and corrects them - impartially. No on field referee to back his buddies and either see or not see a play that backs the on field call. No NY review to do the same.
The only way to end this is to scrap it and start over even if it means dismissing all the exiting officials who in my opinion are disregarding the rules committee has set down.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
That's among their proposals, but only because there's no sense in reviewing some things and not others.
But I like the idea they advocate of just having a guy watch every play. In the time it currently takes the on-field refs to deliberate, that guy will have had access to multiple angles and can make a more informed decision.
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Yeah, but their solution is more instant replay? Right... that will fix the problem! (sarcasm off)
That's among their proposals, but only because there's no sense in reviewing some things and not others.
But I like the idea they advocate of just having a guy watch every play. In the time it currently takes the on-field refs to deliberate, that guy will have had access to multiple angles and can make a more informed decision.
As slow as some of the refs are, by the time the BJ jogs in to confer with the other refs, the ref in the sky could review it, take a dump, and still grab some coffee before informing the BJ he needs his prescription checked.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
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.....and both were obviously missed.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
If you remember, Landon Collins dove for an interception, I believe caught it(IIRC) and was called for helmet to helmet. What referees continuously make mistakes on is that the defense has as much right to the ball in the air as the offense.
It was clear in the replays that the safety was making a play on the ball. In all fairness why wasn't the WR called?
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
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"The referees have a tough job" mantra.
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
Like Walt Coleman. Like it or not aging decreases your ability to process information, there is a ton of scientific evidence of this. Processing the game in real time on the field with these super athletes is much different than from the comfort of your couch. The best referees are in college and are usually in that sweet spot in their 40's, with enough experience, but haven't been significantly affected by cognitive decline yet. Soccer understands this, but I have no idea why football doesn't address the issue.
The second one robbed the Lions of any chance for a comeback.
The league should apologize and the ref should be suspended.
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.....and both were obviously missed.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
If you remember, Landon Collins dove for an interception, I believe caught it(IIRC) and was called for helmet to helmet. What referees continuously make mistakes on is that the defense has as much right to the ball in the air as the offense.
It was clear in the replays that the safety was making a play on the ball. In all fairness why wasn't the WR called?
Remember it well, versus the Panthers last year.
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.....and both were obviously missed.
Having said that, I don't any penalties should be reviewable.
And how PI is handled proves it (although I honestly can't tell how the heck they are approaching evaluating PI upon review).
Also, let's change "unnecessary roughness" to "helmet to helmet" contact just for the sake of vernacular.
Last night, a Lion player was simply trying to intercept a pass and got called for "roughing". There was no intent of roughing.
You can get flagged for "unnecessary roughness" without helmet to helmet contact though. Hitting a runner late out of bounds would be one example. Or simply pushing guys into the pile after the whistle.
Definitely. But my point is, when helmet to helmet occurs, call it that. Regardless if it's unnecessary or simply by mistake (as was the case last night).
Just sorta makes it easier to grasp, and also when you call it that way, it's more in tune what the call really is. Regardless of intent, helmet to helmet is an actual penalty.
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"The referees have a tough job" mantra.
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
Are you sure? I'm seeing some very old men out there who don't move very well in a game that is being played by bigger, faster, quicker, stronger athletes. And many of the referees aren't going to be doing Orange Therapy commercials any time soon...
Harsh? I guess. But in a game that moves as fast as the NFL it seems logical to want it judged by people who are capable of moving adequately to properly judge the game...
Think about that. He dove to catch a ball and he was flagged for a penalty for a hit on a defenseless receiver.
He was the first player to touch the ball too.
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In comment 14629033 bw in dc said:
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"The referees have a tough job" mantra.
Guess what? Too f-cking bad. Then got people who are younger, more physically fit, better trained, etc to actually call a better game.
That's such a bad take. There are good officials who are older. There are problems with some of the officiating, but their ages aren't one of them.
Are you sure? I'm seeing some very old men out there who don't move very well in a game that is being played by bigger, faster, quicker, stronger athletes. And many of the referees aren't going to be doing Orange Therapy commercials any time soon...
Harsh? I guess. But in a game that moves as fast as the NFL it seems logical to want it judged by people who are capable of moving adequately to properly judge the game...
Orange Theory
Think about that. He dove to catch a ball and he was flagged for a penalty for a hit on a defenseless receiver.
He was the first player to touch the ball too.
We simply were destined to lose that game.
Icing on the cake: In Philly, they cut away right before the kick to go to Eagles/Vikings.
Took me about 2 minutes to find coverage of what exactly happened..............the pain!!!!
Think about that. He dove to catch a ball and he was flagged for a penalty for a hit on a defenseless receiver.
He was the first player to touch the ball too.
When I brought that up I thought it was the Eagles that that happened. I don't get this calling defensive players for penalties when the receivers were technically as guilty if either one was guilty...